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A candidate's personal narrative might sway more voters than experience, positions on issues and policy proposals. Blame the power of emotions.

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  • Posted By: Davole @ 09/18/2008 8:45:07 AM

    John McCain knew that Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac would collapse, and thereby unjustly burden the American public!

    In 2005, Senator John McCain cosponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Reform Act to regulate the powers and procedures of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac.

    These 2 massive federal finance agencies had been operating without controls in a blatant irresponsible manner, and had been found guilty in court of falsifying financial records and statements in order to provide supposed justification for bonuses to be given to their higher echelon administrators.

    These 2 organizations had been coerced by Democrats, who because of political opportunism, wanted them to grant mortgages to individuals who would be unable to make their required monthly payments. That would be in accordance with the irresponsible Democrat belief that everyone should be entitled to have their own home, irrespective of their actual ability to afford that luxury.

    Both of these mortgage lending institutions have contributed massive financial sums to support the political aspirations of Chris Dodd and Barack Obama.

    Senator John McCain realized 3 years ago that fraudulent transactions were rampant within these 2 enterprises, and that they would soon collapse if remedial action was not undertaken. Their bankruptcy would result in the American taxpayers having to go into debt to resurrect or ???bail-out??? these fraudulent Congress protected entities.

    As was to be expected, this proposal to institute meaningful financial reform measures was obstructed by the Democrats in the Senate, and the proposal failed to be adopted.

    This year, due to the Democrat furor over the collapse of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, the American taxpayers are burdened by having to pay a minimum of 450 billion dollars to ???bail out??? these 2 recklessly managed lending companies.

    John McCain exposed and opposed the corrupt lending practices of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Barack Obama ???milked the system??? and profited by obstructing reform of their corrupt lending practices.

    Democrats have demonstrated that they can wreck the mortgage industry.

    Are you willing to vote them into office, and give them a blank check to mismanage the American economy, security, and health care?

  • Posted By: dking312 @ 09/14/2008 12:12:17 AM

    If You were The Boss... which team would you hire?
    >
    > With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts,
    > stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high
    > prison population, skyrocketing Federal spending, mortgage
    > crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually
    > critical election year.
    >
    > Let's look at the educational background of the
    > candidates and see what they bring to the job:
    >
    > Obama:
    > Occidental College - Two years.
    > Columbia University - B.A. political science with a
    > specialization in international relations.
    > Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna *** Laude
    >
    > Biden:
    > University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in
    > political science.
    > Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
    >
    > vs.
    >
    > McCain:
    > United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899
    > (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of
    > his class)
    >
    >
    > Palin:
    > Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
    > North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
    > University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
    > Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
    > University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism
    >
    > Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most
    > influential nation in the world?

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 09/16/2008 11:42:00 PM

      Is there some law that says a person can only attend one school?

    • Posted By: ihateeveryoneincludingyou @ 09/14/2008 11:49:49 PM

      You mean you never heard of someone with stellar educational achievements who sucks in the real world, or someone who graduated "Vaya Con Dios" being a superstar at work? I guess you haven't actually been hiring anyone for a real position lately, have you?

      • Posted By: whala @ 09/15/2008 11:18:17 AM

        Good point. The reality is that the Best students often make the Worst performers in the real world. A lot of people in the business world find the "B" students to be their best hires. None of that really matters in this case. You can't just look at what the candidates DID in school. When you look at the reasons WHY they did what they did, you quickly realize that comparing school resumes means very little in this race.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/16/2008 2:27:10 PM

          "B" students are often the best hires in corporate America because they do what they're told without a lot of questioning or a desire to improve the process. They're often quite placid and unaccustomed to putting out the extra bit of effort to become top-notch. "A" students frequently want to use their intelligence to cut out inefficiency and waste and office politics. In corporate America, that's called being a troublemaker. They also sometimes exceed the abilities of their bosses - that's a threat to the bosses' status and position. This isn't universal but happens a lot more than you might think.

          I mostly agree with you. I agree with the statement that "You can't just look at what the candidates DID in school." I agree with the idea that school resumes mean next to nothing after about three years out of school. But I think your definition of "performance" is a little narrow.

  • Posted By: lordmi @ 09/14/2008 8:47:47 AM

    here are Pit Bull's "values" -
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?hp
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13collins.html?ref=opinion


    mccains sense - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/opinion/12krugman.html?em

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/14/2008 11:13:34 AM

      As if I'm going to read anything from the elite, leftist New York Grimes.

      But since you've mentioned values... How about Obama's long time association with racist Jeremiah Wright or unrepentant domestic bomber/terrorist William Ayres? He said he never heard any of Wright's racist sermons, then when he realized that wasn't going to fly, he admitted he had. He finally distanced himself from both of them only when it became politically expedient for him to do so.

      So much for your "values".

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/16/2008 2:28:04 PM

        What about McCain's longstanding association with Charles Keating?

        I don't think either association has bearing on either man's ability to govern.

        I DESPISE this country's tendency towards guilt by association. It's ignorant.

  • Posted By: maq1 @ 09/14/2008 8:31:39 PM

    Iraq War.

    4,155 Coalition deaths.

    10 Billion in unaccounted for US taxpayers dollars.

    No WMDs.

    "De-Baathificiation."

    Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse.

    Guantanamo Bay and waterboarding.

    Valerie Plame Scandal.

    Hurricane Katrina.

    Justice Department Hiring/Firing Scandal.

    Antonio Gonzales.

    Harriet Miers.

    Karl Rove.

    Scott McClellan.

    No Bin-Laden capture.

    "Mission Accomplished."

    "Bring them on."

    Credit crisis.

    Bear Sterns.... Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac...Lehman Brothers....


    How could we want more of this incompetence?

    Conservatism requires Accountability. Hold the Republicans Accountable.

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/14/2008 8:38:07 PM

      Uhhhhh, clueless... Your post is insignificant, unsubstantiated opinion... but that said....

      George Bush isn't running in this election.

      • Posted By: ihateeveryoneincludingyou @ 09/14/2008 11:58:28 PM

        Pallisor, don't you just love people who haven't heard of the 22nd amendment? : P

        • Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/15/2008 8:29:42 AM

          Hi Ihateeveryone! Nice to see you!

          Yes, there are several on the boards that either didn't learn it in school or need a refresher course! lol

          • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/16/2008 2:30:36 PM

            You guys are mudslingers and use guilt by implication in addition to association.

            This person was arguing against the Republican Party and the probable requirements that it would inflict on McCain.

            No one even suggested Bush was running.

            If you consider people guilty by implication, you are utterly unfit to judge guilt in any way. Learn to debate.

            • Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/16/2008 10:19:11 PM

              Naaaahhhh, no one ever suggests Bush is running. "Four more years of Bush" is on every board!

              How about you learn to read first, then we can debate.....

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/16/2008 6:49:02 PM

    If you grow up in Indonesia, then you are exotic.

    If you practice the Islamic faith with your step father from age six to age ten, then you have been a Muslim.

    If you use cocaine for years, then you are unstable.

    If you spend three years as a community organizer, but change nothing in the community, then you are a failure as a community organizer.

    If you don't have the grades in college, but get into Harvard anyway, you must have relied on special favors from someone, and you ought to let people know who that was.

    If you take credit for the work other legislators did, then you are guilty of resume fraud.

    If you deny that Christ is the only way to heaven, and claim that heaven can be obtained through good works alone, then you are not a Christian.

    If you propose teaching four and five year olds who have not been exposed to sex or to abuse what sex abuse is through the public schools, then you are intruding in the private lives of your citizens.

    If you expect your Harvard educated executive wife, whose career has been more successful than your own, to give up her career and stay home with your kids, then you are a sexist.

  • Posted By: dking312 @ 09/16/2008 3:31:49 AM

    Yeah everybody...that's a great idea!!! Let's elect a liar (God doesn't likes lies, does he?) who makes strange choices on the fly and loves the mere thought of drafting all of our kids off to war - as opposed to a Harvard grad who taught constitutional law, worked with REAL people on REAL issues, and actually uses his brain and his ability to compromise.

    Screw the economy, so what Mccain is stupid if it ain't about war. 894 out of 899 isn't THAT bad.
    Oh, and Palin will be so perfect, George W. in a skirt.....

    Wow, what an America we will continue to have, where on branch of our govt will continue to do what they want to do and not have to answer to you or me or anybody else.

    Isn't a non-honest White house what got us into this big mess in the first place?

    I'd love to see some responses. Todd Palin (first dude) will be imposing himself on our govt the same way he did in Alaska, but you people are worried about old ass folks Obama met. He doesn't just run around doing what others tell him to do like Mccain...so why is this an issue and Phil Grahmm isn't? Phil, the guy who was the key player in deregulating everything so that the rich could get over on us without checks and balances......

    This is what you all are rooting for?

    WWJD?

  • Posted By: thesmiyhmeister @ 09/16/2008 1:16:45 AM

    You are dead on. Most of us know we are not going to be among "the rich and the famous" so we'd like to see how we CAN relate to these candidates and how (if) they can relate to us. Maslow's 3rd level.
    As a "homeless" (party-wise) independent minority Christian woman identity politics are virtually impossible for me, but I'm going with my instincts, who comes across as sincere. It doesn't look like the conservatives can "give me something real". They never seem genuine. They change there minds, their stories, and their platforms as often as I change my lingerie.
    Plus, I get nervous about people who think being intelligent, well-versed, contemplative and sopisticated is a negative.
    What's that all about?

  • Posted By: A Keime @ 09/16/2008 12:07:20 AM

    Based on what appears to be Ms. Palin's qualifications to serve as VP, abilities such as gun ownership, physical appearance and memorization skill, there has only ever been one person more qualified. Unfortunately, Annie Oakley is not available and John McCain is too old to be Frank Butler.

  • Posted By: A Keime @ 09/15/2008 11:55:20 PM

    Based on Palin's qualifications, which seem to be based on gun ownership, looks and memorization skills, there has only ever been one women more qualified to be Vice President. Unfortunately Annie Oakley is no longer available and John McCain is older than Frank Butler

  • Posted By: sparkling @ 09/15/2008 2:32:19 PM

    Sarah Palin and John McCain get my vote.

    Sarah is pro life, pro God, pro guns and anti-corruption with an actual record of CHANGE. McCain has the military experience to defend and protect the U.S. in this post 9/11 world.

    • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 09/15/2008 6:05:03 PM

      You are so ignorant !! Time to get out of your cave, this is the 21st century !!

      • Posted By: Cabot @ 09/15/2008 10:20:25 PM

        wildlifeusa is the idiot, why does he assume that McCain will be just like Bush, because he heard it from the media. Democrats are so Stupid, they think that it is GW Bush's fault for The Credit crisis, The housing bust, even though I would bet it is 98% Democrats not paying their mortgage, They think Hurricane Katrina was his fault, oh and the high price of Gas and now possibly Hurricane Ike. Get a grip! Not everything is George Bush's fault and stop watching CNN or MSNBC.

  • Posted By: Cabot @ 09/15/2008 10:05:40 PM

    Interesting comment in the Tallahassee Democrat regarding Gov Palins credentials as mayor vs Obama's credentials as a civic organizer.
    >
    > What do top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
    >
    > Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;
    > Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;
    > Cincinnati, OH (3rd)...since 1984;
    > Cleveland, OH (4th)...since 1989;
    > Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;
    > St. Louis, MO (6th)....since 1949;
    > El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;
    > Milwaukee, WI (8th)...since 1908;
    > Philadelphia, PA (9th)...since 1952;
    > Newark, NJ (10th)...since 1907.
    > Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
    > It is the so-called disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still "disadvantaged."

  • Posted By: McCain in '08 @ 09/15/2008 9:58:27 PM

    This is something I have thought of lately, only in slightly different terms. I think that one thing that makes people choose whom to vote for is simply who do they like the best? They may have thought that Al Gore or John Kerry was more qualified to be President, but they just thought George Bush was more likable. I think likability worked to Barack Obama's advantage in the primaries. Hillary may have been better qualified, but people just liked him better. I think that Sarah Palin, of the four candidates, is the most likable. I read an article by a iberal columnist who said that even though she disagrees with Sarah on almost every subject, "I have to admit, I LIKE her." If you like the candidate, you tend to excuse or disbelieve any negative comments and give more credence to positive things. I read another writer who said that the accusations and criticisms that have been made against Sarah seem to bounce off or boomerang against the person who said it. That proves my point. If you like Sarah, you just don't want to hear bad stuff. For instance, all this business about how she uses her position to help her friends and get rid of her detractors. People who don't like her would say, "That's awful." 'The rest of us say, "So what? That's what politicians do." The value of the person's narrative is that we want to see the real person and to do that, you really need to know their background, not just what they've done since they graduated from college and entered politics.

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 09/15/2008 6:16:15 PM




    This is where your money is going.... Hahaaa ! 800 military bases around the world !!!! Don't you think this is an abomination ??? Well I guess this is the most paranoid country in the world!!

    Rank Country Military budget

    1. United States (FY 2008 budget) $623bn

    2. China (2004) $65bn

    3. Russia $50bn

    4. France (2005) $45bn

    5. United Kingdom $42.8bn

    6. Japan (2007) $41.75bn

    7. Germany (2003) $35.1bn

    8. Italy (2003) $28.2bn

    9. South Korea (2003) $21.1bn

    10. India (2005 est.) $19bn

    World total military expenditures (2004 est) $1,100bn

    World total (minus the US) $500bn

  • Posted By: wildlifeusa @ 09/15/2008 6:03:42 PM

    What about this ??

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    Fish and game in Alaska is doing the killing... Please contact them and voice your outrage.

    Pallin should be thrown out of office ! Aerial shooting of wildlife is illegal !!

  • Posted By: Mwalimu @ 09/15/2008 4:21:55 PM

    Strange. I head the same reasoning in 2000 and 2004. People voted on their gut feelings and look what we got!! McCain promises change, but elect McCain and we will have for more years of disaster.

    I'd urge everyone to look up James Hanen's testimoney before the Senate Committee last June. In case you've forgotten, Hansen is the top environmental sicentist of NASA, his work was frequently censored by political operatives because were disturbed by the findings. McCain did NOTHING to stop this censorship.
    According to Hanse, the latest ratio of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere is 385 per million. We are increasing by 2 parts per million per year. This week, we have witnessed what 385 and do. Do we want to see what will happen with 387. In the meantime the polar ice pack is melting. Have McCain or Palin figured out what that means. Hansen is warning us that time is running out..
    And stil the electorate is fixating on unimportant issues. McCain does not understand the urgency of carbon emissions. Palin cannot connect global warming with carbon emissins. Oklahoma Senatorial candidate Jim Inhofe does not believe in global warming.
    On the contrast, Obama has received an endorsement from Al Gore. His energy proposals actually address the urgency of global warming.
    I'll warn every one - we'd better make the right choce - or this country and this planet is doomed.

  • Posted By: benluclar @ 09/14/2008 11:17:30 AM

    What a sorry sight is this forum today. I am reading things I would ban from my computer if my children were still in the house.
    But they are not still in the house. They are raising children and trying to work at the same time. They are actually ''married'' (imagine that!) and they have children IN wedlock (imagine that!) and they EARNED college degrees through student loans and scholarships for GRADES, not sports (imagine that!). And they are ALL GIRLS (imagine that!). So the media portrays and Obama beats his chest and tells me that he represents the grassroots of America? What America does he represent?
    Yes, I supported Hillary Clinton, not because I agreed with everything she said, but because of the WAY SHE SAID IT. She was determined. She was BRILLIANT. She worked HARD. She was battered and beaten by the media and a politically-correct candidate's exaltation, and she took the beating with a SERVANT'S HEART.
    Who will I vote for in November? McCain and Palin.
    I want a TEAM who demonstrates to ME that they offer a SERVANT'S HEART. I do not have to be told which side of this candidacy represents service to OTHERS versus service to ONESELF.
    I feel sorry for Biden, who has always been a good and respectable man. He is being used as a token of experience, the lack of which is supposed to appease us all. But I would not have voted for an Obama/Clinton ticket because the CAPABLE candidate was in poor order, as is the case with Biden as well.
    What is ''supposed'' to represent grassroots to me in television sitcoms, sports, rap songs, chat rooms and now the race for the leadership of the USA is not what I view as REPRESENTATION at all. And I will not assist in sending more of this nonsense to lead us into more of the same.
    SERVANT'S HEART. Key issue.

    • Posted By: stars35 @ 09/15/2008 11:42:03 AM

      So you would rather vote for more of the same than a new direction for this country? You know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a diferent result. The economy is in disarray and you would vote for the same economic policies for another 4 years from a man who has openly admitted that he doesn't understand economics? The war has cost us more than a trillion dollars and you would vote to continue this disaster. McCain has said in a TV ad that he opposes war then he unregretably jokes about bombing Iran (bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran). Please, senator don't instult my intelligence and the intelligence of the American people. McCain had a wide selection of well qualified VP picks but then picks someone no one knows anything about to tell you, the American people, that this is the best he can do. It is well known that McCain likes to gamble and this pick truly emphasizes this characteristic. Do you really want a gambler in the White House? Gamblers belong in Vegas, not in the WH. Then his VP pick states I will militarly defend Georgia and therefore implying war with Russia. We don't have to wonder if Russia has nuclear arms, they actually HAVE THEM! Then at a campaign stop, McCain says that Palin has not accepted earmarkes when someone from the audience says she has. McCain's reply was not as governor. Well, I would familiarize yourself with your VP pick before you begin talking about them, because she has in fact accepted earmarks as governor. A fact that she even admitted to in her recent interview, but she implied that those earmarks were ok it's the bad ones that they are going to go after. However, it is not her qualifications that are most disturbing, it is her apparent lack of understanding of the current domestic issues and lack of understanding of foreign affairs. Even Rove himself has recently said that McCain has gone overboard in some areas. Yes, that's Rove talking....What does that tell you. We had a surplus under the Clinton administration and now have the biggest deficit in US history. How much farther downward does the economy need to go before you wake up? How many more jobs need to be lost? How many more American lives do we need to lose before you say enough! McCain made a good strategic move by choosing Palin because it takes the focus away from him. That's because he has absolutely NOTHING to talk about! And some of you are falling right in this same trap again! Absolutely, unbelievable!!

      • Posted By: valark @ 09/15/2008 12:40:45 PM

        What about Obama's promises? Didn't he promise no more politics as usual? What do you think Biden is? He is as politics as usual as it gets. Ohhh I could spend 5000 words writing about Biden like you just did about Bush...oh I am sorry, you wrote McCain and Palin but wrote about Presidential policy decisions...so I think you mean Bush and just forgot.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/14/2008 2:44:07 PM

      I respect your right to your opinion in this case but cannot share it.

      My opinion is that Hillary was frequently, vindictive, and inappropriate. To me, the culmination of this came when she implied that Obama should concede her the nomination because "we all remember RFK". To suggest that the candidate facing the greatest assassination risk should drop out of the race INSTANTLY marginalizes all minority groups and other groups of dispossessed citizens who nevertheless deserve the right to be heard.

      In addition, for someone with a "SERVANT'S HEART", she spent lavishly and had to be rescued financially BOTH by her own supporters AND by Obama's supporters over the course of her candidacy. Isn't there a valid case that this necessitated her supporters serving HER - including causing a lot of people who didn't even support her to bail her out when Obama came in with debt relief?

  • Posted By: MChieco @ 09/14/2008 11:18:44 PM

    If you were running a business would you hire a 72 year old man who does not know how to use a computer ?

    • Posted By: whala @ 09/15/2008 11:20:40 AM

      If I were looking for someone with a lot of experience for a position that does not require using a computer, I absolutely would. Hey, wait a minute, that sounds like the position of POTUS.

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/15/2008 8:31:41 AM

      I believe the President does have a secretary....

    • Posted By: ihateeveryoneincludingyou @ 09/14/2008 11:46:21 PM

      Depends on the job. Duhhhh....

  • Posted By: DrSerendipitous @ 09/14/2008 10:57:20 PM

    This is a no-brainer. The reason we, the citizens of a representational democracy, vote for the person rather than policy is that policy means nothing if the person was not trustworthy. This is why we place such a high value for the candidate???s personal narrative in order to place our trust. Power of emotions? No, call it intuitive wisdom, which we, as flesh and blood human beings, value far more than cold reason. If we want to vote based on reason alone, we might as well have robots as our representatives and leaders.

  • Posted By: kidchrist777 @ 09/14/2008 9:02:14 PM

    JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.........................
    From Letters to the Editors @ Fort Worth Star-Telegram - today

    How racism works

    What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

    What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating

    class? What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do"

    to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no

    longer measured up to his standards?

    What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain

    killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

    What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? What if Obama were a member

    of the "Keating 5"? What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

    If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election

    numbers would be as close as they are?

    This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes

    positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in

    another when there is a color difference.

    - Kelvin LaFond, Fort Worth

  • Posted By: southgapassion @ 09/14/2008 11:28:03 AM

    Do this same article on Obama - see what you come up w/. hhahahaha - OBAMA = HOUSE OF CARDS! (Sarah is the blowing wind!)

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