A Reality Check On ‘Change’

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  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/15/2008 7:39:19 AM

    Hey obamamohammeds...got some good news...it's not ya'lls fault....you are all victims.....it's a sickness....

    Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder
    As a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, Lyle Rossiter has treated over 1,500 patients and examined over 2,700 civil and criminal cases. Turning his hand to political psychopathology, the author of The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness, has diagnosed an alarming percentage of the population as suffering from the grotesque form of mental derangement known by some as moonbattery.

    Among Rossiter's observations:

    Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.
    A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity ??? as liberals do. A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population ??? as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation's citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state ??? as liberals do.
    The roots of liberalism ??? and its associated madness ??? can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind. When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.
    Basically liberalism is a willful failure to mature beyond adolescence that can have catastrophic consequences for society. With luck, the official diagnosis of this disease by a mental health professional will facilitate the search for a cure.

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: THE RAVEN @ 09/16/2008 8:01:25 AM

      Holypants, are you serious? Where do you get this $hit? Let us break it down in laymen terms. Or to be specific--white & black terms:
      white liberal: white code word for a ni&&er-lover. black conservative: black code word for a uncle tom.
      Let's be real, holycow--you don't want to see a black face (or half white face) in the big house, right?
      I could respect you redneck crackers more if you told the truth. No politcal correctness is needed here. You can say NI&&ER, and no police will come to your door. See--I said redneck crackers, and I'm still free. You racist bigots are experts when it comes to hiding your true feelings and thoughts, but blacks are experts in seeing through all your bull$hit. But you have kept me laughing for months--holywater.

  • Posted By: UzhasKakoi @ 09/14/2008 4:26:44 PM

    As an independent, I admit, you Jonathan sound like biased, sore left-wing looser. Coming from the former Union, I could never imagine that in the United States of America I would ever see anything like what MSM is doing right now. The sad part is, for as much as I want to vote Democratic, I don't see myself doing this for as long as Pelosi-Reid-Dean-Obama lead this party in the way I escaped 19 years ago. The promisses of these so called leaders are not worth the paper they are written on. Their ideas and ideals like minimum wage, affirmative action, etc. though sound good, in reality hurt exactly the constituency the Democrats claim they are committed to help. Only biased or uneducated (mind that diploma does not equal education, education, does not equal intelligence, etc.) believe their complete and utter lies. Democrats will continue loosing until they'll get their act together. throw out their current (non)leadership and chose candidates worth being elected. Until then, I have no choice but vote Republican. Sorry ... as the song goes, "no time for loosers."

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 7:56:14 AM

      Well if you vote Republican then I guess you don't mind the completely incompetent governance that we've been painfully experiencing these past eight years. Financial ruin, national debt crisis for the next generation(s), middle class diminishing, never ending war on terror, saber rattling and bluster, goodbye to social security, job security, border security, ANY security. You would really rather go this way? Then vote for McCain - more of the same.

  • Posted By: bruce5149 @ 09/14/2008 5:00:05 PM

    So, What's the big deal? She is a total unknown. They were fair and balanced questions just like FOX News. I think ABC and NBC were around a lot longer than FOX if I have that right.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/14/2008 5:09:32 PM

      The man running for POTUS should be asked something a little more relevant than..."so what's your favorite color?" The MSM has protected him so tightly...they have hurt his candidacy...there is a huge backlash.

      But then again...the tough ones ARE above his paygrade.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 7:48:29 AM

        HolyRoller, Obama admitted that he answered that one question too flippantly. When do you think a human life starts? Are you God? "and God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul".Gen2:7...my take is that when someone is breathing - that' s when someone is a living, breathing human soul. But I'm not God so far be it from me to impose my opinion of how I'm interpreting God's Word to myself.

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/16/2008 7:39:29 AM

    BREAKING NEWS ............Obama taps Barbra Streisand

  • Posted By: SAGG @ 09/14/2008 10:31:12 PM

    Posted By: BFid @ 09/14/2008 7:28:54 PM
    Comment: I love the "open mind" of liberals. If McCain is a clone of Bush because he is a Republican than Obama must be Jimmy Carter. McCain has done far more bipartisan work than Obama, who voted with his party 97% of the time. For God's sake McCain was endorsed by Lieberman, the vice presidental choice of the Super Lib Al Gore. I'll cry my eyes out when Obama cuts the defense budget and we are once again preyed upon by the vultures of the world.

    -------------------------

    Then you're saying you think Obama will be President? Wow! Thanks for the endorsement!

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 7:27:52 AM

      Wow - your logic is astounding in its stupidity! McCain offers no differing POLICIES than Bush. That's why when McCain says he's suddenly for "change" we don't believe him. Change what, exactly? Obama is for change from the bottom up, not the top down. That's a HUGE difference is the whole concept of change. It's got to come from us - the voters who do not want to go down this same Bush road but do want government to actually WORK.

  • Posted By: jimenezprotective @ 09/14/2008 10:59:58 PM

    Another hack for Obama. So when are you peeing your pants Mr. Alter? I guess it is obvious that MSM in the States are full of blow hard liberal who are too in love with Obama in spite of his flawed character and very slim political achievement. I'm an asian and I don't subscribed to MSM's "praise release" journalism in favor Obama. He is the least qualified presidential candidate in the most recent time. MSM is letting us believe that Obama is qualified to run America. Sorry, I'm not buying your lies. Obama won't even be considered to run as a small town mayor in my country with his unimpressive qualification. So Oprah and your do nothing and think nothing crowd, be ready to sulk on the fifth of November. Go John! Go Sarah!

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 7:22:39 AM

      Obviously, you don't bother educating yourself with facts about the candidates in our country. But you have obviously been listening to some Republican campaign ads which are untruthful (to say the least) regarding Obama's history. You should keep your anti-American stupid opinions to yourself. You have no right to express your ignorance here.

  • Posted By: worldsfairdesign @ 09/15/2008 12:55:45 AM

    Why does everyone insist Obama had to have gone against his party? Does he need to vote pro-Life or something that he doesn't believe in to show you he's a maverick? My understand of his Change message is Change from a failed Bush-McCain policy to a Democrat policy. Just cause McCain thinks change means being a maverick doesn't mean Obama has to fit that definition. And if you recall - Obama wasn't the insider Democrat choice - Hillary was. Isn't that bucking your party even by the McTool definition?

    • Posted By: clmayfield @ 09/15/2008 1:22:48 AM

      Obama is not trying to cast himself as a maverick. He is trying to cast himself as a change agent. The key question here is whether or not Obama has demonstrated an ability to both give and take in order to accomplish a goal. If you believe that the Democratic Party is right approximately 100% of the time and there is therefore little reason for a Democrat to ever take on non-party views, then it is OK that Obama has not taken different views.

      If you are an Independent, and you believe that people are abandoning independent and logical thinking to take on party views... If you view political parties as a shortcut for thinking.... Then it does matter to you whether or not a person succumbs to hegemony and ends up toeing the party line.

      Is it mere coincidence that a group of people should have the exact same views on gun control, fiscal policy, climate change, privacy rights, and even have internally conflicting views on abortion and the death penalty? If that is a coincidence, then it must be mass hysteria that there is another group, about as large, that generally has precisely the opposite views.

      Of course, if you are diametrically opposed to a candidate on all the issues, then it doesn't make sense to vote for him. For me, I tend to agree with McCain on more issues than I agree with the Republican Party (I disagree with McCain-Feingold. I also disagree with him on personal marginal tax rates but agree with him on corporate tax rates). I agree with Obama on a handful of issues (the environment, energy policy- except with more drilling, personal marginal tax rates- with some modifications). But in the end, I think that McCain has the more independent mind and that is important to me for some reason.

      • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 7:06:49 AM

        The change Obama is running on is change from the bottom up not the top down. It's to inspire ordinary people to actively engage in the political process and solve problems with consensus. There's a lot at stake this election and citizens are not happy with the direction of this country (illegal war, occupation of a sovereign nation, bankrupt financially & morally). We need truth, accountability, transparency and the Republicans have shown their incmpetence. Time for the other party.

      • Posted By: edjones65 @ 09/15/2008 8:02:06 PM

        I liked what you had to say, made sense to me anyways, and I can respect that.

  • Posted By: clmayfield @ 09/15/2008 12:59:27 AM

    Jonathon,
    I agree that the latest round of McCain attack ads are ridiculous and that the McCain camp has tried to stretch the truth on Palin (proximity to Russia equals foreign policy experience?). Further, it is completely off-base to belittle Obama for his Community Organizer experience. However, I think that you are too quick to dismiss the work that McCain has done in the Senate. He has taken Bush and the Republican Party on in McCain-Feingold [2002] (counter-Republican election finance reform), McCain-Lieberman [2003] (counter-Bush climate change act), and McCain-Kennedy [2005] (counter-Republican immigration reform, of which Obama was a sponsor). These are touch point issues for both parties. Note that I am not bringing up any bills from ancient history... these were all post-2000 (despite the convenient invention that McCain somehow has toed the party line since 2000).

    Why give Obama a pass for his time spent in the Senate? If he is the change agent that he purports to be, he could have taken on at least one major issue in the last 4 years... at odds with his party. As it is, he has voted with his party 97% of the time and taken on only issues in which there is broad agreement across the parties (Obama-Coburn, the Federal Funding Transparency Act, passed unanimously in the Senate). To use an Olympics analogy, McCain attempted 3 acts difficulty levels ranging from "9-10" while Obama chose an act with a difficulty level of "1."

    We can go back to Obama's experience in Illinois... his biggest accomplishment was that important piece of legislation monitoring racial profiling and mandating videotaping of interrogations. That bill hardly challenged Democratic orthodoxy and passed the Illinois Senate unanimously. I respect the fact that he worked hard to achieve unanimous support, but I assure you, if he is to undertake health care reform, tax reform, energy reform, or climate change action, the legislation he proposes will not be unanimously rubber-stamped. Who is more likely to effect change on these issues, a Republican Maverick who now represents the head of his party, or a Democratic President who, thus far, has walked the party line on almost every issue?

    Bill Clinton was able to attain many legislative successes not merely through dialogue, but by taking centrist positions (e.g., Welfare Reform). For Obama to achieve his plans, he will need to steamroll Republicans. Respect them. Talk to them. But steamroll them. Based on the track record, McCain is the reformer who is more likely to achieve some change and maintain a semblance of unity as he does it. It is true; he will absolutely have critics in his own party as well as from the Left. This is nothing new to him. But if your charge is that McCain a) has not attempted reform, or b) has not succeeded in reform, then I would argue that while he does not have a perfect record at achieving reform, he scores better than Obama on both these counts.

    -Carter Mayfield

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 6:58:11 AM

      Carter, great post - very thoughtful! I think the change Obama is running on is more of a mindset change - a Democratic-lead one - not the reformer change that McCain is trying to sell. The direction of this country needs a turn from the disastrous Republican-lead incompetence in governing to a brand new mindset. It CAN be done - from the bottom up not from the top down inspire ordinary people to action, put competent people in charge, etc.

  • Posted By: BFid @ 09/15/2008 1:14:25 AM

    "Why else take a job for a fraction of what he could have made elsewhere? "
    I guess community organizig has been pretty good to this "martyr for the people". At least that is what I think as I marvel at his $1,650,000 mansion on my way to work. Where can I get one of those community organizing positions?

    • Posted By: Hatful1 @ 09/15/2008 2:11:26 AM

      Typical question of one lacking critical thinking. Community organizing was a three-year job immediately out of Columbia and before Harvard. The mansion came from the proceeds from book sales! It is sad that people want to continue to spew negative and denigrating comments about an intelligent, thoughtful, creative and pragmatic individual who does desire to see America at her best. Alas, that desire has to be a part of the person, because the insulting and demeaning rhetoric would make a weaker person give up! Another point, as to his strength vs weakness, anyone who has had to wrestle with their humanity, deal with rejection, experience distrust will learn to weather madness. I think hes much stronger than some give him credit for - and I'm glad he knows that you can argue everything, let it roll off your back and keep going!, Good luck with the writing, people may buy your books so you can work on the acquisition!

      • Posted By: justwork'n @ 09/15/2008 2:37:28 AM

        'A Million Little Pieces'. Remember that book that swelled the heart, made one believe, gave hope, made you cringe, and yet it was all FICTION. A possible story, but not ACTUALLY completed by the author. That's my worry now. Watching closely to decide.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/15/2008 3:30:44 PM

          So true! Just like Bush, when he swore up and down on September 12, 2001, that he would get the man who had slaughtered Americans. Tugged at our heartstrings, eh? FICTION!

          • Posted By: edjones65 @ 09/15/2008 7:51:59 PM

            You are calling that particular moment fiction? I did not hear from my family in New York for over two weeks, I f I wasn,t too damn old I would've been the first one over there trying to nail Osama Bin Laden myself. I lost too many friends so many years ago when the Marine barracks were blown all to hell all because of extremists. The USS Cole tragedy is another example, and what was done then? Nothing! You might not like Bush for whatever reasons but as an ex MARINE I do not like taking it on the chin and for once we didn't sit around crying about it like we did before. Now, this has nothing to do with the current issues at hand but I felt Bush did the right thing and said what many of us were feeling at the TIME. Now this has nothing to with Iraq or the election coming up. I just wanted to speak my mind on your little comment you made. So I apologize if I offended anybody but that just isn't something I take too lightly. Our armed services need our support, thats somebody's kid over there fighting for us, fighting for a cause that may or may not be of their own choosing. I am looking at whoever makes sense not who has the best sales pitch and if you are foolish enough to believe everything you are told on tv well...

            • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 6:47:32 AM

              Thank you for your service - we owe you a debt of gratitude for sure. I have nothing but admiration for you and your proven willingness to put your life on the line to protect us from people who attacked us. THANK YOU!! Please don't be offended by the callous remarks in posts like these. People are frustrated with the direction of this country and the diminishing power and influence we have. Time to change course. I'm voting for Obama because I honestly think he represents our best hope for real cchange.

              • Posted By: edjones65 @ 09/16/2008 6:54:07 AM

                I can respect that thank you

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/15/2008 3:29:54 PM

      Don't forget that he's been married to a VERY successful woman for 15 years. Honestly a 1.65 million house isn't all that out of reach for two successful lawyers in a big city. A close family friend makes $1 million/year in San Francisco and has a $3 million house. It's something I'll most likely never have, but something I don't fault someone who has worked for it. Much better than the Paris Hiltons of the world. With their educational backgrounds and hard work, they deserve it.

  • Posted By: BFid @ 09/15/2008 3:00:23 AM

    "Dreams from my Father" my foot!!! This guy had the most disfunctional upbringing in the world. The effect on his psyche is appearant. His drive is not about help anyone but himself and maybe proving himself to his dead father. There is a pent up anger under that calm facade, which makes him reckless and spiteful when he gets angy. Not good for a widely untested politician who wants to lead a nation. I grant you that he is great at making up stories. The whole "story" of his life has been a means to an end, not public service.

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 6:35:38 AM

      BRid, your ignorance is out there for the world to see. You make no meaningful contribution - just the reiteration of the propaganda from Rove's camp. I bet you believe there were WMD in Iraq! I bet you believe the economy is in fundamentally sound! I bet you believe McCain will reform Washington!

  • Posted By: joe313 @ 09/15/2008 7:36:13 AM

    That newsweek would find favor with Obama and fault with McCain is not at all surprising. It would be surprising if the reverse were true. If Obama should win this election there surely will be change. It will be a march to socialism which newsweek will cheer at every opportunity. This is the change M$M wants and is trying to make happen.

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 6:22:01 AM

      Ooooh - how frightening! What should I be more scared of - A.) Republican nation going down the toilet, totally bankrupt of not only money but morals slowly bleeding the middle class whose taxes pay for illegal preemptive wars under false pretenses B) March to "socialism" whatever that means. Does it mean that Americans will have health care? That the middle class will be strengthened? A budget that balances? Constitutional rights for ALL?

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/15/2008 8:24:07 AM

    McCAIN HAS BEEN RUNNING ON CHANGE FOR 30 YRS.. HE HAS GONE ACROSS PARTY LINES TO GET THINGS DONE (IE;CHANGE!) HE HAS WAITED A LONG TIME TO HAVE THIS CHANCE TO MAKE REAL CHANGE IN WASHINGTON! IF ELECTED HE WILL HAVE A CABINET OF DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDANTS AND REPUBLICANS THAT HE HAS WORKED WITH OVER THE LAST 30 YRS! HE KNOWS THOSE IN WASHINGTON THAT WANT CHANGE BUT WERE TO AFRAID TO SPEAK UP FOR FEAR OF THIER PARTIES REPRISAL.. SO THOSE FOLKS WILL BE APPOINTED TO HIS CABINET ! NOW A QUESTION FOR YOU WHO WILL OBAMA PUT IN HIS CABINET ? WHO HAS HE WORKED WITH IN HIS SHORT TIME AS A U.S. SENATOR? AND WHO DOES HE KNOW IN WASHINGTON THAT WANTS REAL CHANGE ( NOT THE LIBERAL VERSION OF IT ) WHO ? IF YOU WANT A NSWER TO THIS YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS (1) GO TO MOVE ON .ORG AND SEE WHO IS PAYING HS WAY INTO THE WHITE HOUSE ! OR (2) LOOK AT THE COMPANY HE HAS KEPT FOR THE LAST 20YRS ! THAT???S WHO HE WILL APPOINT TO HIS CABINET MAYBE NOT THOSE FOLKS .. BUT ONES EXACTLY LIKE THEM !

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 6:08:52 AM

      You can believe that McCain is WAITING to start change in Washington. You can believe anything you want but McCain's record shows that he's a hot headed and impulsive, doesn't do his homework, succumbs to the religious right and changes his mind every other day it seems. Anyone can see how he's run his campaign over the last 18 months that he has lost control over his campaign. With all that's at stake this time, you're gonna trust someone like that to lead?

    • Posted By: nate31 @ 09/15/2008 8:30:40 AM

      One you have no idea who either will appoint to their cabinet. It is all speculation. Two, you must not have read this article. It clearly states how little he has done in his long tenure. He has lobbyists running his campaign and voted with Bush 90% of the time. Plus, he picked a terrible, laughable, VP. So if you are selling that McCain is change and has a better grasp on the situation at hand, I'm not buying!

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/15/2008 2:37:22 PM

        Raila Odinga, David Axelrod, Ali Abunimah, Nadhmi Auchi,, Rev. Wright , Professor Khalidi, william ayres , and Bernadine Dorn these could be cabinet members of obama???s after all he feels very strongly about these folks !

      • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/15/2008 8:59:03 AM

        what has obama done ?? nothing , nill, nada ! i'm not buying obama's lies !

        • Posted By: PFflyerkid @ 09/15/2008 10:12:41 AM

          PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform ??? not even in the state senate."

          THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

          http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

          • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/15/2008 12:57:20 PM

            okay wise guy how about one bill that he did by himself ? not the one that he wrote and then voted no on (his own bill )also you can thank lugar for allowing obama to be onthat bill because he had no hand in writing it ! lugar need it to be non partisan so it would pass !

            • Posted By: PFflyerkid @ 09/15/2008 1:50:43 PM

              "lugar need it to be non partisan so it would pass !"

              Makes you wonder why most in congress team up w/ others, like Obama has w/ his legislation, huh?

              Voted "no" on? C'mon, we all know that final bills are hardly what they were when the final vote comes around.

  • Posted By: BFid @ 09/15/2008 9:55:59 AM

    Are you speaking of Commrade Obama's disdain for the second amendment?
    BTW since we've had a Democratic congress recently and Obama votes with the party 97% what kind of change do you believe the Messiah will bring?
    Nate, your talking crazy lib now. Obama is the lobby king! His carreer was a creation of master lobbiest/convicted felon Tony Rezko. Obama has done nothing, not one noteable thing in his SHORT tenure. His sole qualification for running for president is that he has been running for president. Someone mentioned sheep? Wouldn't that mean blindly following an inexperienced and unproven candidate? Name one of Obama's mentors who was not a scumbag.

    • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 6:02:41 AM

      Have you even the read the article? What do you do - just go to any and all websites any just post your comments without bothering to read an intelligent article about the subject? Whether you agree or not, why not add something worthwhile to the discussion? BTW, Obama is for the second amendment and a lot of folks to the left aren't exactly thrilled about that.

  • Posted By: FMAinMass @ 09/16/2008 5:31:08 AM

    Mr. Alter, Thank you for a very insightful article. I know the Republicans are going to call you every name in the book but the truth cuts through the bull we've been subjected to from the Republicans since their convention of vitriol. They offer nothing but hypocrisy and lies, refuse to discuss the issues in any meaningful way, and it seems they make sport of spewing demeaning, disrespectful outright lies about Obama. Why is this? I thought the Republicans were supposed to be Christians. What baloney!

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 09/16/2008 3:37:36 AM

    To Mr. Alter - I appologize for my childish comments. We should all behave civilly, despite our differences. (Of course, that's never going to happen!!) Silly Me!!

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 09/16/2008 2:51:14 AM

    To Mr. Alter: Liar, Liar, your pants on fire. Newsweek has journalists, I used to think. Silly Me!!

  • Posted By: Ezana @ 09/15/2008 9:59:38 PM

    Hard to call yourself a Maverick when you were one of the Keating five, voted for years against making Martin Luther King day a holiday, voted with Bush 90 percent of the time, and your only non-white child (along with your VP candidate) has never met the press. Sounds like your typical republican to me. Having Pallin there to shoot wolves from helicopters makes the cliché complete. Oh wait I forgot the wolves front forearm in order to collect the bounty. At least he???s not trying to claim the moral high ground on issues of marital fidelity! That might be too much.

  • Posted By: Kate10 @ 09/13/2008 3:27:26 PM

    I remember that Harry Truman had quite a temper and Lyndon Johnson's was legendary. It's o.k. to get mad but it is not o.k. to not get over it quickly and not apolozise. McCain seems very real. Obama constrained to the point where he seems tied up in knots at times.
    McCains judgement as in the recent Russian invasion of Georgia was immediate and correct in line with our allies. Obama took three days and he finally, at the last change agreed with McCain. Being President is about experience and judgement in


    making important decisions.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/13/2008 10:32:37 PM

      From Russia's point of view, they were defending Ossetians who had been shelled by the Georgian government for weeks by Georgia's bully president who was sure the United States would rush to his aid. Ossetians did not chose to have their country divided into north and south regions. South Ossetians did not chose to be part of Georgia. In fact, they voted for independnece, but they have been ignored by NATO nations. Only Russia has been responsive to Ossetia.. It is the western nations of NATO who decided that half of Ossetia should belong to Georgia and half of Ossetia should belong in the Russian federation. Why is that right? If the United States, as a nation, believes in a country's right to self-determination, why does that not apply to Ossetia? Maybe because there is an oil pipeline that crosses South Ossetia and we want our ally Georgia to maintain control. That may be the right strategic position, but it is no more moral than the Russian position. Obama's position takes into account that there are various points of view on the nationality of Ossetia, that resolving these issues takes diplomacy and that there is nothing in the Ossetia situation that merits the risk of nuclear war.

      • Posted By: edjones65 @ 09/15/2008 9:45:54 PM

        Were you trying to make a point? What Kate10 was saying had nothing to with what you were saying. A nuclear war is what you got out of that? now that scares me.

    • Posted By: gapper71 @ 09/13/2008 6:09:22 PM

      I agree with you and it is about experience, not whether you can make a pretty speech. Nobama also admits he was WRONG on the surge in Iraq, He was also WRONG when he overlooked Hilliary as a running mate. What happens when he is President and is WRONG?

    • Posted By: DavidCA @ 09/13/2008 4:00:01 PM


      McCain, the former bomber pilot, is impulsive and hotheaded. His decisions and demeanor in the campaign still show it. There'a a name for this kind of decision-making: fast-mover. It's great as long as it doesn't get overtaken by obstacles; in that event, it burns out spectacularly.

      Obama, the former law professor, is even-keeled and something of a relentless plodder. His natural tendency is to withhold judgment.

      An interesting fact that illustrates the difference between them: McCain's favorite game of chance is craps, Obama's is poker.

  • Posted By: CTCommuter @ 09/15/2008 9:33:56 PM

    this is not the time for a president who needs on the job trainning with no real track record.

    • Posted By: Ezana @ 09/15/2008 9:40:18 PM

      Which one they are both Senators!

  • Posted By: Achilles22 @ 09/13/2008 4:23:43 PM

    URGENT REQUEST!!!

    Please advise the Obama campaign to do the following:

    1. Publicly (and dramatically) challenge McCain to a truce on slime advertising. All Obama needs to do is publicly say he will pull his ads starting on day x as long as McCain does the same. No prior ads need to be relitigated. No previous score needs to be kept. Just a clean slate moving forward.

    2. Obama will agree to immediately select (with McCain)an independant 3rd party to approve all ads for the remainder of the campaign. These ads can advocate only each candidate's plans and positions but cannot make false claims. They may not mention the opposing candidate in their ads. (the rules need to be specifically simple with no wiggle room to bend them).

    3. Obama will claim (rightfully) that if we as leaders are approving these ads, than it is our responsibility to jointly step up and stop them in the interest of an actual nationwide debate on the issues in the remaining days of this election.

    By issuing this challenge now - No matter the outcome, he grabs the spotlight from Palin and shines it right on McCain (and Schmidt). It will change the trajectory of this election which needs to be done - Perhaps Obama can make this challenge the centerpiece of a new national dialogue speech.

    Outcome -

    McCain - being the slime addict that he has turned into - will decline this challenge and be forever known as the slimeball who wouldn't help lead this nation to a national dialogue on issues.

    Obama will have exposed McCain as someone basing his campaign on lies, pigs & lipstick, etc. and afraid to elevate the debate based on issues alone.

    You can't blame him - they picked a shiny object with no qualifications as a running mate to distract the low-info voters. (Country First my ass).

    Anyhow -

    The Repubs will continue to disgrace this nation if we don't publicly call McCain out on his lies and challenge him to step up.

    No extra charge for this advice.

    The Repubs don't think we're stupid - They know we are.

    LET'S GO DEMS

    • Posted By: edjones65 @ 09/15/2008 9:35:41 PM

      Wow, that was the dumdest thing I ever heard. I hope you didn't put in too much thought into what you just said.

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