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Pakistan’s Dangerous Double Game

Unsure of Islamabad's loyalties, U.S. forces open up a more aggressive, controversial strategy in the tribal areas.

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  • Posted By: somicsam @ 03/28/2009 8:16:41 AM

    i cant say that U.S.A is going to rule at middle east because this is not possible. because rule will be done by ISRAEIL only because islam has laready predict about that . ISRAEIL will destroy the whole system and will make this world more dangerous . US knows their enemy but they have failed to recognize their domestic enemy.

    This is true after some time Muslim and Christian will united to fight against their enemy .now i m not surprised what is happening. this was already told in noble books.


  • Posted By: Munhib Syed @ 01/19/2009 1:12:51 AM

    Situation is alarming and all the politicians who are US sponsored are involve in corruption. Why American people dont realise that few years ago Americans were known as the best peoples in the world but now almost in every country of the world if a political party organise a protest against americans policies more and more peoples attend it. I am very optimistic about Obama that he will make a big change in the world, we have to understand thay why a human being blow him self, i beleive that this is the last stage of anger, frustation and protest. We cannot use power for very long and end of the day we will need to negotiate, which Afghan's president already did. When Pakistani government did it in last couple of years everyone started screaming on them and now peoples are raising voices in the west as well. Democracy means negotiations but unfortunately no one is following it. I have loads of other things but people will take it as a blame from a Muslim and we already had too much blame games, some international issues are making it alot easier for extremists to change the minds of peoples in Islamic world specially the fragile countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Palestine e.t.c. I spoke with peoples in Pakistan and argues for hours in the favour of west but some questions they asked left me speechless. We need to review our policies

  • Posted By: Munhib Syed @ 01/19/2009 1:11:21 AM

    This is quite interesting column but alot of things these collumnist didnt know, world shouldnt look it from one perspective, being a Pakistani i know alot of things as well, in Pakistan most of people thinks that americans are only attacking the insurgents who are attacking in afghanistan, atleast twice pakistani army officials gave them the exact location of Bait Ullah Mahsood but americans didnt attack because he isnt fighting against ameicans. Americans refused to give the smart weapons because they fear that Pakistan can use them against India, Pakistan's situation is like s spring now, you can press it upto a certain limit and finally it comes back with more and very quick power which can be very harmfull, world isnt realising what type of problems we are facing and keep pushing us, I read some where that there are more suside attacks in pakistan than any other country except Iraq. Americans specially and world should realise that these peoples who are killing us are the people who trained by CIA or the younger generations of those peoples who trained by CIA during the first Afghan war against Soviet Union. We are losing more lifes than any one else and every country is pressuring like India, USA, EU. Situation is getting criticle and i am afraid that it wont be like same in Iran in 1979. Unfortunately world supported dictatorship in Pakistan's history. World isnt understanding the problem. Every thing is getting worst in Pakistan day by day, there isnt any electricity or gas in country, people are suffering because everything is so costly that they cant buy basic neccesities. Last year number of people commited suiside because they didnt have money to feed their family.

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/14/2008 3:35:57 PM

    I notice some posters here talking about invasion and nuclear war. These posters clearly have not the foggiest idea what nuclear war or invasion are about. The handful of small US missiles directed solely at units that have crossed from Pakistan into Afghanistan to commit acts of war against Afghanistan are not even remotely related to any kind of invasion. The few nuclear missiles that Pakistan possess are not nearly capable of doing massive damage to a country the size of India and have little likelihood of surviving US defenses to strike the US. That is why the Soviet Union targeted thousands of missiles at the US. Pakistan has no defense capable of handling even US conventional standoff weapons such as stealth bombers and cruise missiles, much less any US nuclear capability. The government and military leaders are fully aware of this. That is why the commenters' statements here are not a serious threat. Also Pakistan, like much of the developing world is dependent on the US and other developing countries. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Pakistan nuclear force is small enough that any attempt to launch may result in US or other foreign black ops teams defeating the launch before it gets off the ground. Fixed, land based missiles are the least reliable way of delivering nuclear weapons. Submarine launched and stealth bombers are about the only reliable delivery systems with today's defenses. These are delivery systems that Pakistan does not have. These posters ignore that the locations targeted by the US missiles are locations where the people of Pakistan have themselves launched cross border attacks to commit acts of war in Afghanistan. Once an attack is originated from Pakistan then the people they target are free to hit back. If you hit me then I can hit you. If you cross into my country to commit acts of war then you implicitly make my strikes across the same border at you legitimate. But these hostile posters don't want you to think like that. Pakistani people are the offensive force here and the US and Afghanis are the defensive force here.

    • Posted By: kimskams80 @ 09/14/2008 5:35:51 PM

      U r right on 2 points.. 1) Its not invasion..and USA should never think of it..Would be the last mistake.. Listen Dear, Iraq did not have Nuclear capability or others you mentioned in ur comments but today USA is thinking to flee from Iraq.. What is happening there? Are they using Nuclear bombs?? Stealth bombers etc?? No No..... Even I agree that Pakistan's military is not that stronger as USA but We believe (just suppose if USA will do this mistake) that it might be regretting for USA.. You are talking about invasion on PAKISTAN?? Even if USA wants to invade FATA, it would not be easy for USA... (however all things about Invasion are just supposed here as u wrote too).. 2) U rightly said that one will not bite the hand feeding it...So here u r very right... Nothing to say here..just regretting our leaders ...

      • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 01/10/2009 10:39:07 AM

        See ya in the spring M-F-er! Ur gonna eat those words. W'ere coming for a REASON not the SEASON!

      • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/14/2008 7:48:03 PM

        I am NOT talking about invading Pakistan. Other posters here keep mentioning an invasion. I am pointing out that the US cross border strikes are counterstrikes against encampments where the people in these encampments in Pakistan are crossing the border into Afghanistan to attack Afghanistan targets. The US does not have the capability in place to launch an actual invasion.

        Iraq is a completely different type of warfare. Afghanistan and Pakistan are small band insurgency forces that require different tactics. The US doesn not need, and indeed would be almost useless to have, an invasion type of deployment. The US has NOT attacked the Pakistani army and shows no signs of doing so. Both armies ARE attacking the Taliban and AlQaeda.

        I am also trying to point out that those posting here who are talking about either invasion or nuclear stikes are way off base. The US gave up land based nuclear missiles years ago. In the US people can now actually buy a nuclear missile silo, minus the missile, and make a home out of it. The US gave up ground based missiles because the defense against a ground based nuclear missile is too simple.

        Mostly what Pakistan would get if it launched a ground based nuclear missile is a world knowing of the attempt and a bunch of nuclear missile parts in its back yard. With today's technology a nuclear missile is too easy to shoot down as it comes out of the silo. It is not a question of Pakistan's abilities, it is a question of very basic physics. I am trying to get the message across to the posters who talk of a Pakistani nuclear strike that having the bombs are a nice political tool, but acutally using them is a different matter. Putting a nuclear bomb on a ground based missile will probably not work. A ground based missile makes an easy target for a good while when it is launched, easy to shoot down. And as Gulf War 1 showed with the Patriot and Scud missiles there is no guarantee that the bomb will get to its target even if one does get by the boost phase defenses. With today's anti-missile technology getting even one of Pakistan's nuclear missiles to hit a target isn't likely.

        • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/16/2008 3:44:25 AM

          I'd put it more as "the only significant chance of shooting down a nuclear missile is as it comes out of the silo". That has a pretty high probability, but ONLY if counterballistics are trained at the areas in question and the nuclear sites are relatively well-known. Don't miss a silo. I personally don't feel like playing dice in that particular way. The chance is not 100%. Roll a 100-sided die (they do exist) a few times and see how sanguine you are about the probabilities in question.

          I think you're being far too glib about nuclear defense. William Perry (former Sec. Def.) was not nearly so sanguine in the lectures he taught at my university. Nuclear warfare is not something to take either lightly or assuredly.

        • Posted By: kimskams80 @ 09/15/2008 12:52:31 AM

          Everyone knows the consequences of a Nuclear war... Only boofheads have used Nuclear bombs for their purposes..1945...U r right again about land based missile etc ... and thats what PAKISTANIS have been saying when ur media/govt officials have been drumming about militants having the control of Nuclear Arsenal of Pakistan.. and have you read reports from Globalresearch.ca and many others about CIA plans about PAKISTAN.. Same excuses have been presented while attacking on Iraq .... If you want to eliminate terrorism, PAKISTAN and USA have to work together in real sense.. Its PAKISTANIS who are suffering mostly...U talk abt insurgency from PAKISTAN to Afghanistan and why you forget insurgency from afghanistan to PAKISTAN thats creating problems in Balochitsan.. Pakistan is already facing lots of problems..Economy, power shortage.. Such destabilization can lead to any situation ..U know frustration..Unnecessary pressures.. USA_Indian deals......Why should not PAKISTANIS attack afghanistan because there is insurgency from there to PAKISTAN....and proves are there so please dont say No No No...

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/16/2008 3:14:52 AM

      I hate to break it to you, but once a nuclear missile gets *off* the ground - especially past the initial launch period - no one on Earth has much assurance of shooting it down yet. A falling object of that size (and a nuclear missile launch, especially an ICBM, is essentially a large falling object once it passes its peak altitude) is moving very, very fast, and is VERY hard to reliably target. A millimeter off with the counterballistics, and you miss. None of our nuclear countermeasures has even a 50% chance of working at this point for even a single missile, and if a MIRV deploys successfully, the chance is close to 0% that all the warheads can be stopped.

      "The Pakistan nuclear force is small enough that any attempt to launch may result in U.S. or other foreign black ops teams defeating the launch before it gets off the ground"

      You hope. We all hope. I hate to point out botched black ops incidents like the airfield in Panama where a SEAL team was discovered trying to make covert entry and eight SEALs were lost - the equivalent to the military of losing something like a combat battalion. (It has since been realized that using SEALs was a bad mistake and that the Rangers should have gone in instead - but I offer this as proof that covert ops are FAR from infallible.)

      "Submarine launched and stealth bombers are about the only reliable delivery systems with today's defenses" - you're utterly, utterly wrong, to the point where I wonder where you learned what you're talking about. Your analysis doesn't even cover "briefcase" bombs or other non-missile delivery systems, which are becoming more available as technology moves onward.

      The best chance of stopping any kind of WMD terror attack is in the insurgents' home turf, via counterterrorist measures and alliance with the local population, months to years before the attack, as well as the STABILIZATION of states like Pakistan that are at high risk of destabilizing and losing the ability to effectively guard their most dangerous weapons from theft.

      This was information I learned in a graduate class at Stanford University taught by former Secretary of Defense William Perry, who was more or less the highest point in doing these kinds of analysis for several years and spoke from the vantage point of that experience. My honest guess is that he knows what he was talking about. Your confidence is badly misplaced, but thank goodness, my guess is that you're not working in an official military capacity on these things.

      • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/16/2008 1:49:08 PM

        I'll alter this slightly. During the initial launch phase - when the rocket's trajectory is mostly upwards - there is a greater than 50% chance that you can shoot it down, provided you know the rough location of the silo and have counterballistic measures in place.

        Once the missile reaches upper atmosphere, this is no longer true. And Holly's assertion that it's "too easy" to shoot down ground-based missiles is false. It's easi-ER to shoot them down, which is why our country has changed to a submarine and bomber-based system - but again, I will reiterate as forcefully as I can that no post-launch countermeasures are 100% effective.

        This is not the subject to gamble on.

  • Posted By: Shah Rukh @ 12/29/2008 8:13:07 PM

    I just read what militants/terrorists are doing in Swat. It is terrible, terrible. Swat has been turned into terroris heaven. I take my words back which were said in anguish. India and Pakistan need to get together and root out terrorists but this religious bigotry has to stop. People are people and there is no religion bigger then humanity. Insaniyat is the biggest religion of all religions. May Paki army and its ISi get some wisdom and find a way to give up the people behind the mumbai terrorists. May everyone live in peace and harmony. War is not the answer for India and Pakistan. They need to cooperate with each other in rooting out the terrorists which are the common enemy of Indian and Pakistani people.
    Zardari is correct when he said - "we created a cancer and we recognize that we did, the terrorists are imposing their agneda on us." Let us support peace between 2 countries.

  • Posted By: Shah Rukh @ 12/25/2008 6:00:15 PM

    Paki Government has refused to provide legal services to the caught Lashkar terrorist from Pakistani faridkot near depalpur in okara district of pakistani occupied punjab.
    This is what happens to pakistani terrorist.
    he is recurited fom poor villages, his family promised money. He is then trained by pakistani military and ISI officers.
    pakitstani military and ISI provide monetary, support to terrorist Lashkar chiefs and officers. The Mullahs in the pretense of Allah brainwash the Poor Paki youth promising them a ticket to heaven in case he dies.
    In this case things didn't turn out well for pakistani military and ISI and its terrorists the Lashkar e taiba.
    Mohmmed Ajmal Amir Iman/Kasab was caught and given a great beating by mumbai civilians within first hours of the Pakistani terrorists attack.
    Mohmmed Ajmal Kasab was interrogated and he spilled o ut all information that he was trained by Pakistani Lashkar terrorists who we all know was created by Pakistani military and ISI to launch terror attacks against India.
    Remember Thaht Pakistani terrorists killed citziens from all over the World. Americans, British, french, German, israelis, Japanese, Chinese, australians, Canadians, italian all were murdered by pakistani terrorists.
    Remember that Pakistani terrorists did not even spare a young child. They killed Indians and Indian muslims.
    Pakistan is the headquarters of World Terrorists.
    Al Qaeda, Taliban, Lashkar e taiba, Jaish mohammed, ISI, and all terrorists are based in Pakistan.
    Unless US invaed Pakistan with foot soldiers , Osama laden, zawahiri and Mullah Omar are never going to be caught.
    Thankfully Obama may be going in that direction.
    Unless Pakistan is invaded and taken car eof permanently, terrorists will continue to come out of there and launch terror attacks against the World.
    Remember that it was Pakistani who is associated with tyerror attacks in spain, Britain, USA - 9-11, China, Indonesia, India I mean almost everywhere it is Pakistani hands somehow.
    Unless Pakistan is invaded with foot soldiers US is wasting its time In Afghanistan because Taliban is hiding in Pakistan after launching attacks against colition troops.
    Taliban roams freely in Pakistan and pakistanis know who they are where they live, what they do.
    Paksitan is playing double game with US and the World.
    Look at how these pakis come together in their hatred of India, if only they came together when faced with terrorists , pakistan won't be in the mess it is right now.
    But how could they? Why would they? Because they are the ones who created them. The terrorists, the Pakistani military and ISI are Pakistanis!! That is why.


  • Posted By: Shah Rukh @ 12/24/2008 5:32:51 PM

    Yes Yes Pakistan is playing douible games with everyone.
    Pakistani military and ISI and its corrupt politicians have been doing this with India since Pakistan was created by British.
    Pakistani military and ISI an dpoliticinas have alos been playing double games with each other too.
    Another name of Pakistani is backstabber.
    US is wasting it stime fighting Taliban in Afghanistan.
    WHy you ask?
    Because Taliban is in Pakistan.
    It comes into Afghnaitsan to fight US troops and NATO and then runs away to Pakistan.
    US is currently not going with troops into Pakistan.
    So Taliban will saty alive unless US goes after Taliban in Pakistan.
    Paki military and ISI is also supporting Taliban.
    Talibanis live freely in pakistan and everyone knows who they are, where they live and what they do.
    It is foolish to trust Pakistan.
    Pakistan is a sham democracy.
    Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari is a collge drop out who is corrupt.
    He is widely known in Pakistan as Mr. 10 percent because he took 10 percent of every contract his wife Benazir Bhutto awarded when Sh ewas Prime Minister of pakistan.
    Look at whole thing.
    Paki military and ISI in reality run Pakistan.
    Zardari is a puppet.
    And Paki military and ISI created Taliban and other terrorists and they are still supporting them, playing double games with US and NATO and India too.
    To put a stop to all this there is no other choice except to invade Pakistan., take control of it snukes and missiles and disband its military and ISI just like Saddam's baath party was disbanded in Iraq.
    Paki military , it sISI intelligenc eis the backbone of Taliban.
    Mullah Omar, Osamam bin laden, taliban, all other terror groups are in Pakistan. I
    Pakistan is the headquarter sof World Terrorists.
    All terrorists come to Pakistan to get training.
    Invasion of pakistan is the solution to put a permanent end to Terrorism problem facing the World.

  • Posted By: Shah Rukh @ 12/24/2008 5:21:41 PM

    Remember that PAKISTANI TERRORIST MURDERERS AND TERRORISTS MURDERED OUR UNARMED AND INNOCENT
    GUESTS AND INDIAN MUSLIMS IN MUMBAI. THE GUESTS FROM FOLLOWING COUNTRIES WERE BRUTALLY MURDERED.
    USA
    GREAT BRITAIN
    AUSTRALIA
    CANANDA
    GERMANY
    JAPAN
    CHINA
    FRANCE
    ITALY
    ISRAEL
    REMEBER THEY DID NOT EVEN SPARE INDIAN MUSLIMS AND CHILDREN.
    THE WORLD WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT.
    PAKISTAN'S DAY OF RECKONING IS COMING SOON.

  • Posted By: Shah Rukh @ 12/21/2008 9:13:01 PM

    Pakis are just beggars. They beg. shameful. After creating terrorists they only turned agianst them officially(sure they are playing double game) after USA threatened to bomb them to stone ages.
    They think India is a soft target that is why paki ISI creted supported laskar terrorists murdered unarmed citizens of the world.
    Pakis with corrupt sham democracy ruled by tin pot dictators and isi agents will use all equipment against India.
    Do you know paki military and isi own the largest landholdings in napak paki land. that paki generals with no experience run civilian factories? yea it is all true.
    Only way to eliminate terrorists is to invade pakistan just like US troops in afghanistan want to do. God bless America.

  • Posted By: PORKISTANTOHELL @ 12/06/2008 5:24:22 PM

    destroy porkistan

  • Posted By: Lion Of Khyber @ 10/24/2008 12:29:15 PM

    We will take a common day example of the curse of Heroin. As it is normally believed that heroin popped out of blue from Pakistan Tribal Areas/Afghanistan. It is generally believed that simple tribal men and war lord are only responsible for menace of Heroin but never told the link between Afghan War, CIA, Heroin, BCCI and finance for US Stringers made by private MNCs.
    Please read the interview of Indian Author on BBC about opium wars of 1830s and 1850s and opium production in Bengal/Bombay by East India Company. All the business families (Mostly present ruling establishment in Indo/Pak/Bangla Desh) are those who acted as middle men for opium export to China. Most of them control II Chundrigar Road, Karachi/Bombay Stock exchange and Power Houses in IndoPak. Those past collaborators/supporters of past colonials and present day ruling elites will always pray anthems of US/West. Any voice or force raising against US/West is curbed with Iron hand, it may be Lawyers Movement or Red Mosques or Tribal Areas or Rag Tag Taliban.
    Heroin is prepared from morphine (extracted from opium) by boiling it with acetic anhydride, and then using a process that involves hydrochloric acid, strychnine, and caffeine. The most essential chemical for Heroin (i.e. acetic anhydride) is produced only in West, No muslim country has any plant for producing acetic anhydride. Recently its import to Afghanistan through Karachi Afghan transit route under flag of NATO/US since 9/11 has increased exponentially. MNCs producing all such chemicals are making billions.

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 11/08/2008 10:10:21 AM

      Yes, millions of kilos of black Afghani hashish was shipped to Europe and the US to fund the war against the Soviets. Wrapped in red cellophane, stamped with KABUL on it in GOLD letters. Wat is your point? I been around the block too, and YOU cannot keep blaming the US for the backward ways of moslem civilization. You wanna live in the year 700 AD? Fine. We do not. Does the year 1100 still drive the hatred of moslems? Pope Urban was a greedy, misguided man. We moved on. You did not.

  • Posted By: Lion Of Khyber @ 10/24/2008 9:34:28 AM

    What is unfolding now in whole Muslim World and especially Pakistan, is somewhat ???creative chaos??? in almost all walk of life. If you have monopoly over world resources (Oil, Drugs, Technology, Banks, Media etc) , superiority in intelligence and multiple means of buying out loyalties of the readily saleable commodities (Karzai, Yasir Arrafat, Mahmood Abbas, Musharaf, Saudis, Benaizer, Nawaz, Zardari, Local Generalist, Generals, Bureaucrats, Businessmen etc.) like the US/West does, then the fog of chaos is a good way of confusing the enemy and continuing exploitation/deprivation by de-facto colonization even after so called freedom. One of the main reason for Muslim failure during last several decades in almost all fields is the result of well planned disorientation campaign. Multiple channels are used varying from brute force of carpet bombing/armed invasions to dubious soft tool like human rights, media, trade, MNCs, NGOs, globalization, academic dialogue and last of War on terror. However the only objective is to curtail Islam, whip Muslims and thrash them depending upon the situation and environment.

    For we Muslims and Pakistani in particular, this is not a time for optimism. It???s better to be cautious now ??? even paranoid ??? than sorry later. The events in our society in general and tribal region in particular did not emerge from a void but are a continuation of a dirty game played since colonization and continues unabated, involving critical inside players and their outside allies.

    To draw a line in the sand, we should openly declare US/CIA directly responsible for creating/nourishing/sponsoring chaos, terror, lawlessness, drug economy in our regions.

    Regards

    FM Shah

    • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 11/08/2008 10:01:45 AM

      Maybe YOU have it wrong "Mr Lion"...ur own leaders, ur backwards people have kept "your people" from progressing. To validate ur anger at this, you blame the "Great Satan"...the US. When an earthqauke hit P-stan, did ANY of ur moslem "brothers" help you? Wats that? Right, NO. When moslems were being slaughtered like swine in Bosnia, WHO stepped in? Yeah, thats right, we did. THE WEST. You people blame everyone one else for ur REGRESSION as a society, but since you have a 700 AD mindset, thats where ur gonna stay. You have ANY idea wat its like to be somewhere you don't want to be, but you NEED to be, coz its the right thing? I could introduce you to a couple JTAC's, or SF operators who painted SERB targets for airstrikes in order to bend thier arms and make them stop killing "YOUR PEOPLE"....thanx alot "Lion", love to get to meet you some day. Or night?

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 10/31/2008 7:54:42 AM

    Pakistan's Dengrous Game,
    basialy non understandable,
    in fact, Pakistan newly elected leadership,
    has fallen in mud and confined in irresisable trap,
    there is no optipn way out.


    Financial crisis,
    war against terrore,
    both are undermining the country,
    secured on the name Allah.


    When you consider the world politics,
    and political sceario,indee you come to the conclusion that,
    hatching a consiray to slaughter afer Iraq and Afghanistan
    by changing the way of stike.


    Are yiu talking about ''double;;
    what kind of double game?
    the fact is that, game is being played,
    against all muslims,all muslim countries including Pakistan,
    on the name of terrorism.


    Pakistan is not in a position play game internatiobal gammers,
    beacuse there is crisis after crisis,
    who are suicide attackers,
    why they are tageting our soil,
    what they want,
    what is their demands.


    They are all muslimes,
    belonged to different countries,
    Iraq,
    Iran.
    Middle East,Arbs,
    Asian M uslim Ststes,
    muslims , living in ,Europian contries,
    described this battle as ''jihad''


    Inspite of all,
    Pakistan ,under the agreement with the U.S.A..
    supported, supporting,and hope wiil support United States ppolices ,
    regarding terrore.


    there is power in Pakistan,
    indistries has been jammed due to lack of electricity,
    everywhere joblessnes can be seen,
    sky high price,has made hard to live poor people in Pakistan,
    what he will double game.


    Anew stratigy has been presented by.............
    there is a proposal for constitute a Lushker,
    brothers are being prepared against brothers,
    in this way new chapter are for bllodshed,
    between brothers.


    Life is not safe in Pakistan,
    bombs are being blasting everwhere,
    all public places are safe,
    young man, having in hand ''degree'' wndering all the opportunities,
    sat at wooden bench of teastall for removing exhaustion,
    but not in position to place order for a cup of tea.


    Many people are being taget of suicide attatcker,
    many other are dyining without food and other essentionals,


    are you talking about game double game,
    Pakistan is not in position to play a game single double


    We are going to IFM for financial assistance,
    bowle in hand,we have just returned from China and the states,

    Empity hanaded,
    if you describe it as a Double game, then you are right.

  • Posted By: Lion Of Khyber @ 10/24/2008 12:29:39 PM



    What is unfolding now in whole Muslim World and especially Pakistan, is somewhat ???creative chaos??? in almost all walk of life. If you have monopoly over world resources (Oil, Drugs, Technology, Banks, Media etc) , superiority in intelligence and multiple means of buying out loyalties of the readily saleable commodities (Karzai, Yasir Arrafat, Mahmood Abbas, Musharaf, Saudis, Benaizer, Nawaz, Zardari, Local Generalist, Generals, Bureaucrats, Businessmen etc.) like the US/West does, then the fog of chaos is a good way of confusing the enemy and continuing exploitation/deprivation by de-facto colonization even after so called freedom. One of the main reason for Muslim failure during last several decades in almost all fields is the result of well planned disorientation campaign. Multiple channels are used varying from brute force of carpet bombing/armed invasions to dubious soft tool like human rights, media, trade, MNCs, NGOs, globalization, academic dialogue and last of War on terror. However the only objective is to curtail Islam, whip Muslims and thrash them depending upon the situation and environment.

  • Posted By: Lion Of Khyber @ 10/24/2008 9:36:47 AM

    Heroin was basically invented by BAYER Pharmaceutical/Agro MNCs. It is also operating in many countries like Pakistan and making Billions. CIA introduced Heroin in South America, Vietnam and Last of all Afghanistan/Pakistan. Hereon and present drug economy is very similar to Colonial era Opium trade of that era.


    This is not about blaming the US/West for our all problems. Muslims needs to set its own house in order but there is no question that the Heroin in Afghanistan, NWFP and Tribal area were almost nonexistent before CIA operation against Soviet Invasion. Similar intolerance, lawlessness in Tribal Area is the direct product of the machinations of the powers that were based in Tribal region for Afghan-Soviet War during 80s.
    For we Muslims and Pakistani in particular, this is not a time for optimism. It???s better to be cautious now ??? even paranoid ??? than sorry later. The events in our society in general and tribal region in particular did not emerge from a void but are a continuation of a dirty game played since colonization and continues unabated, involving critical inside players and their outside allies.

    To draw a line in the sand, we should openly declare US/CIA directly responsible for creating/nourishing/sponsoring chaos, terror, lawlessness, drug economy in our regions.

    Regards

    FM Shah

  • Posted By: Lion Of Khyber @ 10/24/2008 9:36:21 AM

    We will take a common day example of the curse of Heroin. As it is normally believed that heroin popped out of blue from Pakistan Tribal Areas/Afghanistan. It is generally believed that simple tribal men and war lord are only responsible for menace of Heroin but never told the link between Afghan War, CIA, Heroin, BCCI and finance for US Stringers made by private MNCs.
    Please read the interview of Indian Author on BBC about opium wars of 1830s and 1850s and opium production in Bengal/Bombay by East India Company. All the business families (Mostly present ruling establishment in Indo/Pak/Bangla Desh) are those who acted as middle men for opium export to China. Most of them control II Chundrigar Road, Karachi/Bombay Stock exchange and Power Houses in IndoPak. Those past collaborators/supporters of past colonials and present day ruling elites will always pray anthems of US/West. Any voice or force raising against US/West is curbed with Iron hand, it may be Lawyers Movement or Red Mosques or Tribal Areas or Rag Tag Taliban.
    Heroin is prepared from morphine (extracted from opium) by boiling it with acetic anhydride, and then using a process that involves hydrochloric acid, strychnine, and caffeine. The most essential chemical for Heroin (i.e. acetic anhydride) is produced only in West, No muslim country has any plant for producing acetic anhydride. Recently its import to Afghanistan through Karachi Afghan transit route under flag of NATO/US since 9/11 has increased exponentially. MNCs producing all such chemicals are making billions.

  • Posted By: aura123 @ 09/16/2008 10:53:47 AM

    Pakistan is paying the price of wrong american policies

    America created Taliban to fight against Soviet , Pakistan paid the price then and still paying the price

    Noting to do with Pakistani people we are suffering becuase of American policies

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/17/2008 12:04:52 AM

      Ah, yes. The famous blame America for everything bad, no matter how far you have to stretch. Never blame yourself for your own problems. Americans supported, but did not organize or control, the Mujahadeen, not the Taliban. All America did was allow the Afghan people to repel the Soviet Union invasion. Then we left the people of Afghanistan to decide their own path. But the US is to blame if the US helps support a country's, and the people's, right to self-determination, but is also to blame if it doesn't help support a country's right to self-determination. The US is wrong if it stays, it is then an invader, and wrong if it leaves, then it leaves problems to be solved by the citizens of a country. Boy, the US can never do anything right, except create the most successful, powerful country in history from everyone else's tired, poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores.

      Pakistan is paying the price of not controlling the people within its own borders. Pakistan left the trouble areas in the hands of local tribesmen and the Taliban took advantage of the government choosing to not make any real attempt at control. Yes, Pakistan is responsible for the Taliban in Pakistan. But that is what freedom is about. Pakistan was given the freedom to decide what kind of government and control it would have in the FATA. Pakistan, and only Pakistan, decided that it would not keep out the terrorists. Now Pakistan is suffering because Pakistan decided on its own that Pakistan would not exercise control over Pakistan's own territory. Pakistan opened the door to some guests who they knew were bad news, and now Pakistan is having the problems because it did not close that door and kick out the guests. Instead, Pakistan allowed these bad guests to make themselves to home in Pakistan. Pakistan, and only Pakistan, decided to not send in the army of Pakistan until the bad guests had dug themselves in. If Pakistan had asserted control over the FATA before the Taliban arrived then the soldiers of Pakistan and the citizens of Pakistan would not be having the problems they are now having in Pakistan. Pakistan did not close down or stop AlQaida and the Taliban from comign in to Pakistan. Pakistan did not close down the madrassas and terrorist training camps until now. Pakistan chose to ignore the problem until the Taliban and AlQaida were able to set up strong underground bunkers inside the borders of Pakistan, and now Pakistan is blaming everyone but Pakistan for Pakistan's problems.

      • Posted By: Lion Of Khyber @ 10/24/2008 9:33:30 AM

        What is unfolding now in whole Muslim World and especially Pakistan, is somewhat ???creative chaos??? in almost all walk of life. If you have monopoly over world resources (Oil, Drugs, Technology, Banks, Media etc) , superiority in intelligence and multiple means of buying out loyalties of the readily saleable commodities (Karzai, Yasir Arrafat, Mahmood Abbas, Musharaf, Saudis, Benaizer, Nawaz, Zardari, Local Generalist, Generals, Bureaucrats, Businessmen etc.) like the US/West does, then the fog of chaos is a good way of confusing the enemy and continuing exploitation/deprivation by de-facto colonization even after so called freedom. One of the main reason for Muslim failure during last several decades in almost all fields is the result of well planned disorientation campaign. Multiple channels are used varying from brute force of carpet bombing/armed invasions to dubious soft tool like human rights, media, trade, MNCs, NGOs, globalization, academic dialogue and last of War on terror. However the only objective is to curtail Islam, whip Muslims and thrash them depending upon the situation and environment.

        For we Muslims and Pakistani in particular, this is not a time for optimism. It???s better to be cautious now ??? even paranoid ??? than sorry later. The events in our society in general and tribal region in particular did not emerge from a void but are a continuation of a dirty game played since colonization and continues unabated, involving critical inside players and their outside allies.

        To draw a line in the sand, we should openly declare US/CIA directly responsible for creating/nourishing/sponsoring chaos, terror, lawlessness, drug economy in our regions.

        Regards

    • Posted By: kimskams80 @ 09/16/2008 5:29:21 PM

      30 Months..You think its enough ... Talibans are fighting against USA invasion of Afghanistan and also they are hitting PAKISTANIS (and for ur kind information PAKISTANIS are muslims)

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 10/21/2008 10:38:31 AM

    This is acceptable stance,
    Pakistan insisting on that
    American have no legal or moral justification
    to raiding Pakistani terretorty by predator dron air-craft
    and killing innpcent people including women and childern.


    What is reaction of this horendous attack,
    created in the mind of general public?
    hat, against United States, and present government,
    recently elected by the popular vote.


    During his first visit of the states,
    Pakisani president was assured that
    Nato forces would never voilate the Pakistani border,
    but inspite of this specifice assurence,
    through unmaned spy air craft voilations were made
    and good number of people were killed.


    It is not friendship,
    it is against the fundamenatal principle of friendship
    which American didn't care


    In fact,
    America is in hurry and want to reach its destination
    before voting in America,
    Bush Dministeration want to become winner
    at any cost in the forthcoming presidential election.


    But the ways USA has adopted
    are not the way leading to the real destination
    because guerilla war fare may too long byond expection.


    As every one know that Pakistan is facing ecnomic crisis
    and there is no come to surface
    on behalf of the states that
    American are playing a remarkable role
    in stablising the deteriorating economy,notwith standing the fact that
    china has played a good role
    during the president 's visit last week,
    it mean china is real friend of Pakistan,
    not like United States,which is absolutely selfish for its purpose.

  • Posted By: Trooper101st @ 10/10/2008 9:16:37 AM

    If we are hitting them where THEY live, then they would be too busy defending thier bases inside P-stan to create chaos in A-stan. We know where most of thier camps, safe houses are, including madrossa's that are in reality a place for T-ban/AQ to rest, refit, and re-arm. These places in the FATA have to be neutralized, the use of US airpower is a must if we are to prevent the militants from having places to hide. Bomb the camps, they will scatter like rats. Maybe snatching a couple ISI operatives to get intel out of them-anyway possible- would make those 2 faced dogs think twice, and they WILL be looking over thier shoulders.

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