Pakistan’s Dangerous Double Game

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  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 09/17/2008 10:29:09 PM

    Double game is dengrous,
    condition of the belt ,
    crossing between the two countries,
    has taken a new shap,

    One hand, Pakistani armed forces,
    in trench,awaiting high command's orders,
    on teh orher hand,
    Afghan,Nato, and american millitary,
    is ready to sweep the insurgent,
    hidden in their saf haven.

    General Kiany disagree with formula ,
    regarding the action,
    he has different view,dealing with the present situation,.

    Negotiation is going to start in LOndon.
    ''permission'' will come into consideration,
    who will convince or who will be convinces.

    People and the armed forces,
    is stand a side,
    and the other hand,
    newly elected government,stands,
    with with the powers,
    allyies in war of terror.

    some quarter supports the new stragti,
    in re dealing with insurgent,
    but some have their different reservations.

  • Posted By: Sultan Ahmed @ 09/17/2008 9:56:16 PM

    Leader,like obama,expected president of the United States,
    has already expressed his desire regarding insurgencey
    in Afghanistan,and the boder lawless area
    attributed Pakistan.

    As he is saying,
    american armed forces
    should attack in side Pakistan
    inside terrorists hvae theie safe haven
    where from they stsrte theie guerilla activities
    against nato and other american forces.

    Obama visited last month the pointed place
    and advised the american and naton commanders.

    The same views have adopted by the republican nominated president.

    But some importent has different views,
    they are disagree with stratigy
    it is very sad theie opinion has set a side
    and state department has taken firmaly decision
    to combate in side Pakistan.

    Now we should see bewly government 'views in Pakistan
    and public opinion in general.

    they promised with people
    judges of the apex court would be restored,
    they promised american supermacy would be removed
    they promised for some remarkable amendment would bring in the counstitution
    by which democracy would be strong,
    but they forgot every thingand condiering those promies
    done confidentially with with Boss.

    newly elected government informed not pakistani armed forces
    so general Kiany had differe stance on the comprehensive and senstive issue
    regard insurgency in trible area and the new role of nato and american forces

    Pakistani prime minister say
    kiany is the chief of staff of the country army
    so he is representive in this connection
    we never disregard his view
    in same time we are seeking our president has taken a complet silence
    he is going to United Kingdom,
    where is very importent meting between Goarden Brown and Mr,Zadary
    U.K.prime believe he would convince Pakistani president mr zardary
    if he sccessed in his mission
    then the question is who will convince our aremed forces
    who has been briefed by President Musharraf that
    the leaders now unfortunately come in power
    are plunders with Mr, ten percent and nor dependable in view of mentally condition
    shouldn't handover our neclear power to such persons.

  • Posted By: TZAZ @ 09/17/2008 8:12:19 PM

    Duplicity is an inbred trait of the sons of Islam. It has taken our political and military leaders some time to understand that none of them are what they say they are. I would not even trust Karzi. Stepping up the pressure with more attacks and missiles is a policy to slow in coming. Until they are made ragged by pursuit and decimation they will not stop. American commanders must take a lesson from a past general W.T.Sherman, total war makes itself unacceptable even to the enemy.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 09/17/2008 6:29:01 PM

    There are 2 types of Taliban
    (1) Fighting against US
    (2)Fighting agianst pakistan.(They are infact religous and Nationalist Pashtuns/Afghans who hate pakistan for historical reasons i.e Durand line and want to get rid of Pakistan).
    Pakistan is supporting one side and fighting the other one. pakistan is funding, training , equiping and tipping off before US's missile attacks those who are fighting against US to defeat US in the long run and use these Taliban in Afghanistan and Kashmir as they have been doing before 9/11. And on the other side pakistan is taking billions of dollars and milittary equipment from US to fight those Taliban who are fighting against pakistan.Americans are over confident and think people do what America tells them to do but.... Now this is called the double game.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 09/17/2008 6:28:38 PM

    There are 2 types of Taliban
    (1) Fighting against US
    (2)Fighting agianst pakistan.(They are infact religous and Nationalist Pashtuns/Afghans who hate pakistan for historical reasons i.e Durand line and want to get rid of Pakistan).
    Pakistan is supporting one side and fighting the other one. pakistan is funding, training , equiping and tipping off before US's missile attacks those who are fighting against US to defeat US in the long run and use these Taliban in Afghanistan and Kashmir as they have been doing before 9/11. And on the other side pakistan is taking billions of dollars and milittary equipment from US to fight those Taliban who are fighting against pakistan.Americans are over confident and think people do what America tells them to do but.... Now this is called the double game.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 09/17/2008 5:20:37 PM

    There are 2 types of Taliban
    (1) Fighting against US
    (2)Fighting agianst pakistan.(They are infact religous and Nationalist Pashtuns/Afghans who hate pakistan for historical reasons i.e Durand line and want to get rid of Pakistan).
    Pakistan is supporting one side and fighting the other one. pakistan is funding, training , equiping and tipping off before US's missile attacks those who are fighting against US to defeat US in the long run and use these Taliban in Afghanistan and Kashmir as they have been doing before 9/11. And on the other side pakistan is taking billions of dollars and milittary equipment from US to fight those Taliban who are fighting against pakistan.Americans are over confident and think people do what America tells them to do but.... Now this is called the double game.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 09/17/2008 5:19:38 PM

    There are 2 types of Taliban
    (1) Fighting against US
    (2)Fighting agianst pakistan.(They are infact religous and Nationalist Pashtuns/Afghans who hate pakistan for historical reasons i.e Durand line and want to get rid of Pakistan).
    Pakistan is supporting one side and fighting the other one. pakistan is funding, training , equiping and tipping off before US's missile attacks those who are fighting against US to defeat US in the long run and use these Taliban in Afghanistan and Kashmir as they have been doing before 9/11. And on the other side pakistan is taking billions of dollars and milittary equipment from US to fight those Taliban who are fighting against pakistan.Americans are over confident and think people do what America tells them to do but.... Now this is called the double game.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 09/17/2008 5:17:54 PM

    There are 2 types of Taliban
    (1) Fighting against US
    (2)Fighting agianst pakistan.(They are infact religous and Nationalist Pashtuns/Afghans who hate pakistan for historical reasons i.e Durand line and want to get rid of Pakistan).
    Pakistan is supporting one side and fighting the other one. pakistan is funding, training , equiping and tipping off before US's missile attacks those who are fighting against US to defeat US in the long run and use these Taliban in Afghanistan and Kashmir as they have been doing before 9/11. And on the other side pakistan is taking billions of dollars and milittary equipment from US to fight those Taliban who are fighting against pakistan.Americans are over confident and think people do what America tells them to do but.... Now this is called the double game.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 09/17/2008 5:17:29 PM

    There are 2 types of Taliban
    (1) Fighting against US
    (2)Fighting agianst pakistan.(They are infact religous and Nationalist Pashtuns/Afghans who hate pakistan for historical reasons i.e Durand line and want to get rid of Pakistan).
    Pakistan is supporting one side and fighting the other one. pakistan is funding, training , equiping and tipping off before US's missile attacks those who are fighting against US to defeat US in the long run and use these Taliban in Afghanistan and Kashmir as they have been doing before 9/11. And on the other side pakistan is taking billions of dollars and milittary equipment from US to fight those Taliban who are fighting against pakistan.Americans are over confident and think people do what America tells them to do but.... Now this is called the double game.

  • Posted By: vkarthik @ 09/17/2008 1:59:57 PM

    US security failure got nothing to do with state sponsored terrorism on the part of Pakistan. Pakistan has been doing it for years. They have several training camps for terrorists. India has named several terrorists in serial-bombing at several places. Did they extradite even one? No. I can only laugh when Pakistan plays the victim role.

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/17/2008 3:22:26 PM

      Absolutely right. The Taliban and AlQaida are people of pure violence. When the rest of the world is foiling their plots they strike out at Pakistan. Pakistan brought a wild predator into their home. When the food runs out the predator attacks the host.

  • Posted By: ergrama @ 09/17/2008 12:31:49 PM

    afganistan king zahir hossain requested for russian help to fight talabanism and alquida terrorists. u.s.a influenced by pakistan drove out russia from afganistan and susequently, talaban and alquida terrorism gained control in afganistan and in pakistan with the help saudi money. after 9/11, u.s.a found out true nature and its serious threat of talabinaism and alquida movement led by bin laden. u.s.a. afterwards learned about the differences between shia sect and sunni sect. u.s.a should concentrate to eliminate alquida terrorism from indian subcontinent. separation of kosovo also strengthened islamic terroism. u.s.a should carefuly plan to fight this terrorism, if necessary, u.s.a should militarily enter into pakistan and remain there for many years until pakistan becomes a moderate country by defeating islamic extremism and make a moderate country like germany and japan. U.s.a should do the same thing with all middle east countries to establish moderate and secular countries.

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/17/2008 3:15:55 PM

      I see your reasoning, but there are major problems. First, the US supported Afghanistan against the Soviet Union on the theory that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. We weren't for Afghanistan as much as we were against the Soviet Union. Once our enemy was defeated then we didn't have any other national interest in the area. Second, the US adding any influence, military or otherwise, to the Middle East or comparable areas of unrest is a touchy subject on both the country receiving the influence and the US. While we may be the current global police force we would just as soon be quietly left to ourselves, and the other countries mostly agree. Our size and success makes us every protestor's favorite target, from slogans to terrorism. It comes with the position. The US had many of our people asking about when we would pull our troops out of Iraq before the fighting even started. I live in a quiet village setting, and there have been grey-haried grannies out on the village green with signs to bring our troops home. TheUS has had its wild past, I guess everyone else will have to work through that stage just like we did. But if we did it then other countries can do it.

  • Posted By: Newsweekwatch @ 09/17/2008 3:13:43 PM

    Of ourse Pakistan is playing a double game. It always has. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are the offspring of Pakistan. Pakistani colonialism is responsible for all its current troubles, and predates 9/11. It stems from Pakistan's jihadi tinged obssesion about Kashmir and its fears about the non recognition of the Durrand line on its western front by all Afghans and its own restive, traditional Pashtun population. America scarred by its Vietnam experience left it to the Pakistanis to set up the framework and personnel for the anti-Soviet operations. The Pakistanis under Zia-ul-Haq. taking advantage of the gullible Americans, saw a chance to advace their own Islamic agenda, gave the anti Soviet crusade an Islamic flavour, the consequences of which we are seeing today. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Americans left and the Pakistanis ofcourse did not dismantle the jihadi outfits and continued to use these groups as assests in their jihad against India and for ensuring that Afghanistan remained their backyard. 9/11 ofcourse changed all that. Nobody, other than the Pakistanis are responsible for their own mess. They inadvertenly scored a self-goal.

  • Posted By: Manzoor Ahmad Yousafzai @ 09/17/2008 2:56:03 PM

    The same is the situation in our Country. Here previously the Soviet Union and its system were declared a threat to Islam and now those who had been used against the Soviet Union are facing same charges. Pakistani nation is between the devil and the deep sea. From one side the people are receiving bombs and bullets, from the other side the opportunist business and industrial classes have realised the predicament of the Government and people, and are raising the prices of food items rapidly having no fear of the Government.
    In this situation, the role of the Judge, Court and Lawyer has increased. The eyes of the whole nation are now towards the High Court of Islamabad where the case about inflation and price-hike is sub-judice. This matter can be best analysed in the Court as the Court has the power to ask for each and every document and each and every person related either directly or indirectly to the issue of the prices of the items of daily use. It is not fair to link every matter to the international market. It has been noted that in the democratic Government, the persons elected have different kinds of backgrounds but the majority of them belong either to landed aristocracy or to business, industrial or marketing class. Now these people are not foolish to legislate against their interests and that is why if the Prime Minister belongs to business, industry or marketing class, he sets the priorities in such a way to benefit his class. When the Government changes in Islamabad, every thing changes. The common man has no authority to say anything or to highlight that which is necessary to be done.
    The complete silence of nation on the war of terror implies this fact that there is complete dichotomy between nation and the Government since it has begun. The nation rejected the policy of President Musharraf and has no intention to back the determination of the present Government. The bitter defeat of the allies of Musharraf in the election is the proof of this fact that nation is not a partner of any Government in any adventurism. People have fed up of the somersaults in the Foreign Policies. At one time, it was said that Soviet Union, India were against Pakistan but now ???Talib??? has been targeted and in future it is possible that U. S. may be declared enemies of Pakistan. The opportunist and dollar-hungry maulvis were used to justify the acts of Government from Quran and hadiths. The enemy of the Pakistanis is only that person who got dollars from the U. S. and other Countries in the name of the people of Pakistan but did not bother to spend a dollar for the amelioration of the living condition of the people during last 61 years.

  • Posted By: Manzoor Ahmad Yousafzai @ 09/17/2008 2:54:53 PM

    GREAT RESPONSIBILITY OF JUDICIARY IN PRESENT ANARCHICAL SITUATIONS.

    The word ???anarchical??? in the heading has been attributed to the repercussions of the so-called ???war against terror???. The war against terror gave results as neither desired by the U. S. nor brought tranquillity to the Pakistani society. U. S. gave us 75 Billions dollars but no one has the courage to ask from those who received this amount to account for this huge amount. The war against terror is a blessing in disguise for those Pakistani and American authorities who have staged this drama just to benefit themselves at the cost of Pakistani and American people but much to the cost of Pakistani people where the actual drama has been staged. Pakistani and Americans are pitiable because ultimately they are the actual sufferers. The American Government is destroying the money of the people of America in futile military exercises in various countries either in one name or in another name. Previously, communism was declared a threat to the interests of American people and now ???Talibans??? have been presented to them as a threat to the international security. The American people are naïve and gullible people in the sense that they have always accepted the logic of their leaders, which afterward has been proved by the history as nonsense.

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/17/2008 11:23:29 AM

    To Kimkams80: There IS an advantage to the cross border strikes into Pakistan, but that advantage is to the US and Afghanistan, not Pakistan. The attacks serve two purposes. First it reduces the cross border attacks by the Taliban and AlQaida from Pakistan to Afghanistan and second, it gets the attention of the Pakistan government to come and clean up their own mess. Pakistan has long known about terrorist encampments in the FATA and has not sent in government forces to control the terrorists. The only reason there are daily suicide bombings in response to the Pakistan army attacks is that Pakistan didn't stop these terrorist groups before they gained the influence the now have. These groups were well know for their tactics for a long time, and Pakistan's government did not stop them until now. Pakistan's own local leaders even assisted, and still assist, the terrorists.

    How is anyone being FORCED to think that the US has intentions other than defense of the Afghan side of the border?

    If Pakistan is responsible for attacks from Pakistan into Afghanistan then how is the US, and not Afghanistan, responisble for the insurgency in the other direction?

  • Posted By: kimskams80 @ 09/17/2008 9:15:00 AM

    To HolyGarfield.. We accept all (Training, support for extremism : to be v true) that has been happening in PAKISTAN and now its PAKISTAN who is paying price for it.. Daily a suicide bomb attack in response to PAK Army operations these days... but I'll blame both PAKISTAN and USA (however mostly PAKISTAN because its our country and we need to take care of it) for it.. But at this moment, There are some problems we have been discussing about and I again describe them: 1) There is no advantage of USA operations in PAKISTANI regions without any understanding between both parties. It is worsening situation for both armies.. we have written lot about it and I hope u understand now.. If it will continue, then ...... we are forced to think that USA has some other intentions behind these attacks... here CBMs need to be taken .. media has already written lot about it.. CIA maps etc .. you can consult one of them Globalresearch.ca 2) Insurgency from Afghanistan into PAKISTAN to worsen the Law&Order situation...Indian agencies involvement in Balochistan and FATA .. No one talks about this ...If PAKISTAN is responsible for insurgency from PAKISTAN 2 Afghanistan then USA is responsible for insurgency from A to PAKISTAN... and that need to be dealt....

  • Posted By: hussain @ 09/17/2008 9:10:33 AM

    I think the US has earned a bad name enough in trying to use its intelligence failure on 9/11 as a war against terrorism basically to pursue its own interests around the globe. Each civilian (man or woman) or child killed by US tps should be compensated by a US citizen because all humans are equal. Moreover, Pakistan is in a state of chaos because of the US as where ever the US went after 9/11, it has resulted in big time humiliation of human rights, international law, manipulating and using renowned international agencies i.e UN for its own purpose and mismanaging the dynamics of the country where operating; One should remember that Pakistan is a third world country, when US has failed around the globe to make any signficant success in the war against terrorism with all its technology and brain drain then what achievement are desired out a country which is put in to a state of total helplessness due a wrong war initiated by a country pursueing its own international military and economic strategy.

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/17/2008 8:28:39 AM

    I am blaming Pakistan for what happens in Pakistan, for ongoing operations and actions of known violent groups. Pakistan was fully aware for quite a while that training camps and madrassas promoting violence existed and were supported by local citizens in Pakistan. Pakistan failed to put adequate resources and controls in place to stop these operations. Pakistan has been the most common thread when terrorist cells and plots in other countries are uncovered. Britian just convicted three people of terrorist activites and four more await a second trial. They all received training and support from Pakistan. Three terrorist cell startups have been found in the US, Detroit, Buffalo and Cleveland areas. All had ties to Pakistan. All of this is globally publicized information over an extended period of time. Even Libya, who was once the center of international terrorism, has accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and rid itself of terroirst training camps. Now Pakistan is almost universally accepted as the haven and training center for internatinal terrorism, and this comes from the terrorists themselves.

    If the terrorists themselves acknowledge Pakistan as the center for global terrorism then who am I to argue with the experts. And since the terrorists themselves are verifying Pakistan as the source of their training, and doing so repeatedly, then blaming Paksistan is no mistake.

    As you sow so shall you reap.

  • Posted By: ARZI @ 09/17/2008 2:14:20 AM

    garfield: You are making the same mistake that you are blaming Pakistan for everything. As far as issues within pakistan, we realize and are fighting for it. You may not realize that Pakistan has lost more innocent civilians and armed forces then US had casualties in 9/11. Pakistan is paying the price for becoming a US partner in the fight against terror. When 9/11 happened it was security failure of US but did US asked anyone cross the broders of US and help them to deal with talibans inside US. How Pakistan can allow anybody means ANYBODY to enter Pakistan borders to deal with our security issues. We have to rationalize the issue and consider as a GLOBAl problem not associated with Pakistan ONLY.

  • Posted By: ARZI @ 09/17/2008 2:06:35 AM

    Garfield: I think you are making the same mistake and that is blaming Pakistan for all the issues. We recognize the issue and fighting for it. You may not realize that we have lost a huge number of forces to become a partner of US for their fight against terror as compared to America lost in 9/11. When US had 9/11 it was a security failure but did US allowed any partner to come in and help them to recover from this Taliban threat. How could one even think of it that Pakistan should allow anybody means anybody to enter our borders to deal with this Global issue.

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