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  • Posted By: cani77 @ 09/27/2008 9:15:06 AM

    n a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit. Most of it Bush created and it will take decades to pay it back.
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why are the polls even close then ?


    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.

    He believes people will vote against their own interests.

    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    Hold them accountable NOW! while it will still help.

    Elect Obama Biden 2008


  • Posted By: Aleksej @ 09/26/2008 6:55:58 PM

    SAVE AMERICA
    OPEN THE DOORS
    AMERICA IS A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS
    IMMIGRANTS WILL SAVE AMERICA
    GIVE CITIZENSHIP FOR EVERYBODY WHO BUY A HOUSE BY CASH

  • Posted By: trazer @ 09/19/2008 9:18:29 PM

    Broken Obama took money from both Lehman Brothers and Fannie and Freddie to fund his personal interests; he took money from known felons (who are now in jail) to help buy his house. Now Broken Obama plans to give us the bill and make us taxpayers, who faithfully pay our mortgage each and every month.

  • Posted By: melbee1971 @ 09/19/2008 11:44:05 AM

    As a public high school teacher, the current state of our public institutions reflect our values as a society, from my point of view. We are bailing out these failing institutions with taxpayer dollars while the state of our public school system continues to decline. I ask American voters to consider the following comparison of our institutions: private sector financial powerhouses vs. our public school system.

    Good teachers are being laid off and class sizes are growing. No child left behind is a law that requires improvements without the promised funding to implement these improvements. And our schools are listed as "failing schools" because of unrealistic goals from unfunded mandates by the federal government. What is left in our public schools is often a stressed out skeleton staff that does not have the ability to properly educate our students.

    Meanwhile, corporate lobbyists effectively secured deregulation and what they consider "optimal" conditions for their financial success (deregulation). And a few well-connected people have lined their pockets with enormous amounts of other peoples' money.

    This sort of short-term gain at the expense of long-term growth way of thinking has infected our entire way of running our society. Enough is enough.

    Unfortunately middle and lower class young people (the MAJORITY) of our future do not have the money or the resources to hire corporate lobbyists. Their teachers and their schools have very limited resources. Where are the organized efforts to actually support the reform and progress to advance our public schools into the 21st century and educate and prepare our future?

    In every other developed and developing country we compare our students' progress with, there is a clear and dedicated effort to improve, fund, and prioritize education. In America, we are starving our schools while bailing out reckless fat cats who've thrived on greed. Is this the American Way? Or have we lost our way?

    Imagine where we might be in ten years if only a FRACTION of the billions our federal government has spent on the Iraq war and corporate bailouts were actually INVESTED in making our public schools the most advanced in the world. THAT IS INVESTMENT. We will be "paid back" in our BEST capital resource: Highly Educated American Workers.

    Let this be a lesson. Hopefully (as we say in class) we will learn from our mistakes and use our lessons to improve, grow, and succeed - hasn't that been the American Way?

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 09/18/2008 8:55:47 PM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow a economist named bob proctor who has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    He perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown ,and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    Is terrifying. He thinks it could get worse then the great depression.
    Banks in the US are going under one after the other. Country wide the largest morgage bank in the world
    Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers , and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms.
    And now Fanny and Freddy which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The goverment took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.
    If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash
    And we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before
    The future of these companies will fall into the hands of our next president
    Lehman, Merill Lynch, and Bear Sterns have survived for over 150 years and survived even the great depression
    They are important because the are the biggest engines of growth in america and
    they are connected to almost everything.
    The last time the real estate market numbers looked this bad was during
    The great depression and real estate often leads the way into major economic recessions.
    Bush just like Mcain doesn't understand the economy.
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix itHe does not understand exactly what is broken.Its no surprise that he doesnt. The people that make up these securities use complex math models very few people understand.They are basically bundles of thousand of loans some good and some bad that are then given rules based on complex math. It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this, and the same things bush and mcain have done for the last 8 years
    Have not worked so far and wont work in the future.
    if you do what you have always done then you will do get what you have always got
    90 percent of the time they have voted the same.
    Please don't just take my word for it Start to read up on some of this yourself. MSN money, elliot wave and, bloomberg Have tons of articles That prove we are in the heading into one of the worst economies any one has ever seen. So why are the polls even close then ?
    The chairman of mcains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues
    they vote on a personality composite which means. He is trying to sell personality instead of results.He believes people will vote against there own self interests.
    Lets teach him we are smarter then that and elect the ticket that can
    bring us back from the brink of a economic abyss.Mcain admits in the year 2008 he cannot use a computer even to send email.It impossible then that he understands how to help us. its time to wake up now while it will still help

  • Posted By: Nins @ 09/18/2008 6:15:53 PM

    Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers, AIG and the rest of the failed institutions have failed primarily because of former Senator Phil Gramm. The Gramm-Leach-Biley Act stripped away the regulations separating banking from investment companies, insurance companies and mortgage guaranty companies. Those regulations were added after the Great Depression when it became obvious that allowing banks to be in bed with the stock market was a sure way to rig the system to collapse, as it did in 1929.

    Lo an behold, a few years after the regulations were removed, the sh!t has hit the fan, and the inter-related investment, insurance, mortgage and banking industries are now starting to collapse, and guess what, you, the taxpayer will have to pay to clean it up.

    Phil Gramm is the Senator who brought you the "Enron Loophole" that de-regulated futures trading, causing the prices of oil, gas and food to spiral out of control.

    Senator Phil Gramm was McCain's top economic advisor until recently, when he was forced to step down after he said that there is no problem with our economy other than a "mental recession" on the part of a "nation of whiners." Phil Gramm is the man who McCain said he wants to name Secretary of the Treasury if he becomes President. You have to believe John McCain when he says that he knows little about the economy -- so little that he doesn't even know who to choose as an advisor.

    Barack Obama addressed the Enron Loophole, futures trading, short-selling and Wall Street de-regulation months ago in his economic position papers, which are available on his website. Obama has been saying all along that he is going to put in strict regulations and clean up Wall Street.

    McCain just started saying that he favors regulation in the past couple of weeks. How is it that McCain is going to put in new regulations, when he plans to appoint Phil Gramm, the man who caused the de-regulation, as Secretary of the Treasury? McCain says he would fire Christopher Cox, the SEC Chairman, to solve the problem. However, the problem is caused by lack of regulations on the legislative level, regulations that were removed before Cox was appointed. The SEC can only enforce regulations that actually exist, so making a scapegoat of Cox solves nothing. I would suggest that McCain is guilty of saying what's politically expedient, that he does not actually intend to regulate the banking industry. McCain knows that most Americans are unaware of the details.

    I am a middle-aged white conservative Republican who loves America. I am voting for Barack Obama.

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15050.html
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/145011/page/1
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/6007788.html
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E0D81038F934A25752C0A9649C8B63
    http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gG5Rzb

  • Posted By: vstillwell @ 09/15/2008 10:22:52 AM

    And the hits just keep coming. Hey, vote for Sarah McPalin so we can have four more years of it.

    • Posted By: jpbless @ 09/15/2008 10:29:59 AM

      Actually if McCain-Palin wins... Palin will replace all bank execs with her high school pals.

      • Posted By: olderwiser @ 09/15/2008 11:47:22 AM

        Palin knows a lot about finance since she can see a bank from window of the governor's office.

        • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/18/2008 12:20:24 PM

          She has experience because she once played monopoly as a kid...

  • Posted By: Iota1963 @ 09/16/2008 12:46:10 AM

    "Walmart Moms" (white rural non college women) will vote them in, but I am the one who will do better financially. Thats so ironic considering I don't really go to Walmart unless I'm desperate. People truly don't vote in their interests. I admit the Republicans will probably win. Too bad the people who vote them in are often forgetten about when the spoils are handed out. Damm.

    • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/18/2008 12:19:06 PM

      Isn't that crazy? I have a great job, as does my husband. We aren't likely to lose them any time soon. We're blessed to have post-graduate degrees, a nice home, great health insurance, etc. Believe me, I'm very lucky and very appreciative of this. Like you said, I stand to gain more under McCain than the people who really need it--uninsured, jobless, rural or poverty-stricken areas--yet I'm voting for Obama. I can't understand why poor, rural areas vote Republican. Republicans don't care about the less fortunate--they care about large, greedy corporations. Why do you think the greedy banks and lenders are tanking now? Baffling, isn't it?

  • Posted By: marcog91 @ 09/17/2008 8:09:50 AM

    Hey n83nbu Don't you guys ever take a break at the Obama campaign headquarters? Why doesn,t congress order an investigation into what happened? After all the the Dems are the majority. Why don't they launch an investigation into what happened at Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac? Makes you wonder.

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 09/17/2008 4:45:04 PM

      The Dems has only been the majority for the last two years. The Republicans can take responsible for the six prior to that. Bush can take responsibility for all 8 years.

      • Posted By: summer4077 @ 09/18/2008 12:15:51 PM

        Goes even further than that--Republicans controlled Congress from 1994-2006.

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 09/17/2008 10:28:22 PM

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow a economist named bob proctor who has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    He perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown ,and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    Is terrifying. He thinks it could get worse then the great depression.
    Banks in the US are going under one after the other. Country wide the largest morgage bank in the world
    Bear Stearns and Lehman brothers , and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms.
    And now Fanny and Freddy which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The goverment took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.
    If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash
    And we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before
    The future of these companies will fall into the hands of our next president
    Lehman, Merill Lynch, and Bear Sterns have survived for over 150 years and survived even the great depression
    They are important because the are the biggest engines of growth in america and
    they are connected to almost everything.
    The last time the real estate market numbers looked this bad was during
    The great depression and real estate often leads the way into major economic recessions.
    Bush just like Mcain doesn't understand the economy.
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix itHe does not understand exactly what is broken.Its no surprise that he doesnt. The people that make up these securities use complex math models very few people understand.They are basically bundles of thousand of loans some good and some bad that are then given rules based on complex math. It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this, and the same things bush and mcain have done for the last 8 years
    Have not worked so far and wont work in the future.
    if you do what you have always done then you will do get what you have always got
    90 percent of the time they have voted the same.
    Please don't just take my word for it Start to read up on some of this yourself. MSN money, elliot wave and, bloomberg Have tons of articles That prove we are in the heading into one of the worst economies any one has ever seen. So why are the polls even close then ?
    The chairman of mcains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues
    they vote on a personality composite which means. He is trying to sell personality instead of results.He believes people will vote against there own self interests.
    Lets teach him we are smarter then that and elect the ticket that can
    bring us back from the brink of a economic abyss.Mcain admits in the year 2008 he cannot use a computer even to send email.It impossible then that he understands how to help us. its time to wake up now while it will still help


  • Posted By: wishing @ 09/17/2008 11:58:46 AM

    McCain used to call himself the Deregulator. Now he is the Regulator Reformer. I agree with n83nbu and marcog91, except it is the Republicans who most advocat 'limited govt' and 'limited regulations'. That said, I agree: go after all of them. [marcog91, it is difficult for this Congress to do anything meaningful without more votes. The Repugnicans can block everything by not allowing bills to come to a vote, though i agree the Dems could be doing a better job in holding their feet to the fire.

  • Posted By: austin c @ 09/17/2008 10:11:46 AM

    It is not only the greed (in business) and lack of regulation (in government) to be blamed as the source of the recent financial turmoil, it is the bunch of people who advocate the risky ventures in the financial sectors as a mean of survival of the business world which are seriously in short of cash or capital as a result of high national and personal debts.

  • Posted By: marcog91 @ 09/17/2008 8:36:20 AM

    I don???t blame Bush for what is happening to these companies any more then I blame Bill Clinton for the fall of the ???DotComs???
    Or anybody else in the 80???s for the Savings and Loans fiasco. It is all caused by greed. Bad mortgage loans that should have never been approved to people that did not care what they were signing. And when it comes to greed, Republicans and Democrats are all guilty. By the way what ever happened to that congressman that had the $90,000 cash stuffed in his refrigerator? I???ll tell you. He is still in congress sitting right next to the other
    jerk that was caught playing footsies with an under cover agent in a bathroom stall. We need to open our eyes people. It is not just a ???Bush??? thing. Our system is incapable of policing itself and now the big boys on Wall Street want a piece of the action. After all it is very expensive to live in the Hamptons.

  • Posted By: marcog91 @ 09/17/2008 8:14:51 AM

    Hey n83nbu, Don't you people ever get a break at the Obama Campaign Headquarters? Let me ask you something. If the Dems are the majority in congress why don't they order an investigation into what really happened. Why don't they order an investigation into what happened at Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac? Who benefited by it, who broke the law and all the silly stuff. Why don't they? Makes you want to go ummmmmm!

  • Posted By: n83nbu @ 09/17/2008 5:48:51 AM

    WHEN WILL IT STOP? We were warned before Bush took office in 2000 that every business he had been involved in, he had run into the ground. Did we have the right to expect anything else with him at the controls of our economy? And McCain has supported Bush???s economical blunders 95% of the time!!

  • Posted By: upset american @ 09/16/2008 10:00:15 PM

    are all these companies failing run by Bush supporters

  • Posted By: BasilBoy @ 09/16/2008 5:23:44 PM

    RO - Check your facts, fool. Unemployment when Reagan left office in 1989 was 5.2%. Unemployment peaked in 1982-3 (the same time the tax cuts were being implemented) and then dropped steadily down to 5.2% in 1989. Clearly the tax rate cuts and economic expansion cut unemployment significantly???by 4.3%???after it had increased by 2.5% from 1980-2.

  • Posted By: One_Mad_Voice @ 09/16/2008 1:15:37 PM

    Hmmm how much of a cut in salary did the CEO take if any. Look the CEO is the one responisable for the company. Not the employee's. Hmmmmmm I would say the all the excutives make bad decisions fron a company like this fialing chap 11 deserve Jail time., but they will walk away untouched with a quality severance package. The excutive should have to forfit any claims to serverance or packages they belive they are intitled to the contract was broken when they made bad decisions that caused the down fail of a company that was healthy a year ago.

  • Posted By: observer101 @ 09/15/2008 11:20:19 AM

    Republicans are the cause of a "Piss poor" economy?...If youd like to really look into the banking industries history, youd see their practices extend well back into Clintons Admins domain...Id like to thank NAFTA another of Bills special moments in history for sending jobs over seas to allow for the loss of jobs and income and helped motivate the mortgage crisis which in turn helped the greedy banking industries go under Thanks Billy!...Had Kerry been in office the last 8 years the economy would still be "Piss Poor" ...And who would the dems blame?...Repubs!...Its in their nature to lie and try to save themselves from negative press or bad outcomes based on their decisions by pointing the finger at someone else...Preferably a Republican..

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/16/2008 10:54:19 AM

      Actually the economic policies date back to Reagan, he is after all the "inventor" of trickle down economics, which interestingly gave us 10% unemployment, 9.4% when he left office.
      Nafta was a Bush 41 invention, granted Clinton signed it into law.

      Bush 41 and 43 just saw the possiblities of Trickle down economics and have taken it to new levels, no longer ripping off people for millions they have ripped off America for billions and billions.

      Of the 10 billion a month that goes to the Iraq war, a substantial portion goes to KBR, who takes the money sends it to their office in Quatar then to banks in the Cayman islands, avoiding any tax.

      The Republicans want to make a lot of money, usually yours and then pay no tax,
      True patriots who LOL love this country...LOL LOL

      One can only imagine what this country would be if Gore or Kerry had been elected, we sure as hell would not be having an economic meltdown as a result of Trickle down economics.

      But you go ahead and vote for McCain he, like you think the economy is just fine the way it is.
      For the wealthy the economy is great, even better than great in Houston, of course unemplyment is over 6% and rising in the rest of the country

  • Posted By: okie3 @ 09/16/2008 8:28:39 AM

    The question was - What's next? Not what happened?

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