Israeli forces advance deep into Gaza urban areas

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  • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 2:03:25 PM

    "Israel calls Gaza assault 'war to the bitter end'

    *popcorn*

    • Posted By: tired and old @ 12/31/2008 4:20:03 PM

      BUTTERED WOULD BE BETTER.

  • Posted By: tired and old @ 12/31/2008 4:06:53 PM

    DEAR ISRAEL :

    YOU HAVE A PERCEIVED STEREOTYPE FOR BEING A DIRTY LITTLE COWARDLY PEOPLE.

    KICK HAMAS BUTT.

    OUR PRESS TELLS AMERICANS YOU WANT A TRUCE AND HAMAS TERRORISTS ARE STILL SENDING YOU ROCKETS.

    CONSIDER IRAN IN YOUR FUTURE PLANS; WHEN WILL THEY HAVE THE POWER TO BLOW ISRAEL OFF THE FACE OF PLANET EARTH ?

    EVERYONE LOOKED THE OTHER WAY WHILE ADOLPH BUILT UP THE GERMAN ARMY.

  • Posted By: martialguy @ 12/31/2008 4:53:55 AM

    << Fascism sees the struggle of a nation or race as requiring the utilization of violence to preserve and promote it such as through the threat and use of political violence against against political opponents or people that fascists deemed enemies of movement itself or their nation or race, as well as the threat or engagement of war against other countries to advance the interests of a nation or race >> ( Wikipedia). Unfortunately, humans are forgettng history and utilize facist policy to promote nationaliies at the expense of humanity. The land of Jesus becomes the land of hatred, violence and intolerance. Learn from animals. They don't kill for nationality or ideology.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 12/29/2008 9:45:21 PM

    Oh Barack. Oh Golden Calf. Speak. Remember with whose gold you were created.

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/30/2008 12:28:20 PM

      Shouldn't he wait until January 20th, you nutcase?

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 12/30/2008 3:18:43 PM

        We want to hear from our idol now. We cannot wait. He needs to remember with what purpose he was created, with whose gold, with which hands. Speak our Golden Calf. Speak.

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/30/2008 3:35:42 PM

          Take your meds.

  • Posted By: Jmon @ 12/27/2008 9:18:39 PM

    Israel has every right to blow mindless fanatical scum like Hamas into the Mediterrean! My thoughts and prayers go out to the innocent civilians killed today, but the fact is, Hamas was using those civilians as shields so that they could continue to attack Israel with rockets and bombings. Israel is one of our greatest allies and the only truly functioning democracy in the Middle East. God help all of us if we ever turn our backs on our ally.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/28/2008 11:06:58 AM

      By the way...given your concern about democracy in the Middle East, would you agree to condemn the 1953 coup that displaced Iranian prime minister Mossadegh, which was a Britain and U.S. - backed coup to prevent Iran's nationalization of its oil reserves? It was a tremendous blow to Iranian emerging democracy and helped create a tremendous swell of right-wing resistance in that country.

      • Posted By: skeetchamp @ 12/29/2008 5:01:10 PM

        A half-dozen nuts fire shoulder-launched rockets into Israel*. Repugnant.
        Israel fires WW2 style bombs and missiles from fighter jets and tanks into a tiny landlocked town that has no army, killing babies and women -- calling it "Retaliation".
        You hit some guy with a rock. He murders your entire family. Retaliation?
        I supposed you COULD call it that. Just don't demand that I agree.

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/30/2008 10:25:03 AM

          What on Earth does that have to do with what I asked? Stay on topic.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/28/2008 11:02:42 AM

      I personally think that the alliance between Israel and the U.S. is one of mutual exploitation and arms sales, myself...read some of my other comments for my take on your "mindless fanatical scum" philosophy.

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 12/27/2008 7:36:39 AM

    the biggest godfather was HITLER
    TOO BAD HIS VIOLENCE DID NOT PAY
    LOLZ
    ISRAEL IS WORST THEN HITLER
    INITIALLLY EVEN HITLER had dinner in sorbonne and a cruise on the seine with candle lights
    he ended dead in a bunker
    lolz
    NOW DOES VIOLENCE PAY?

    • Posted By: cybersavy @ 12/27/2008 10:59:55 AM

      I'll give you ourtrage, keep blaming Isreal all the time.If some you people had a brain you would be dangerous. Israelis and jews have resided in this area for centuries. Well before the muslims and arabs. If the barbaric arabs want to live there they must stop taunting Israel wtth over 3000 missles fired in the past year. Would do you expect? Israel to just sit idle. It is evident they wish to die to visit there virgins. Guess what? There is lots of space in Jordan, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other nations foir Arabs to live. Israel built a florishing desert into gardens. Israel has been attacked for centuries and the jews will be for a long time. Jews are not afraid of you nazi skin head sympathizers

      • Posted By: Jordanian @ 12/27/2008 2:31:07 PM

        To Cybersavy:

        Do you know jews? You're the most ignoble people walking on earth. You're the killers of the messengers of the God. You're very dangerous to the humanity. You don't deserve to live. I can imagine the world without you, the jews, a place where the peace is all over the world. You're cowards. You can't fight face to face. You've stolen the land of Palestine not because you're braved people, but because the west want to get rid of you, and get rid of your evils.

        Palestine is the land of Palestinians and Jordan is the land of Jordainian and you don't have any land. You're are not more than a group handful of gangsters that live by the support of the USA and the inhuman west. You're attacking Muslims by the weapons that you got from the USA. As you see, the USA will collapse in the near future if the god wishes and your backs will be unveiled, then we will slaughter all of you, barbarian animals!

        By theway, I am a jordaninan and you are dreaming to consider Jordan to be the land of Palestinian! Jordan is for Jordanian and Palestine is for Palestine not for Jews. Yes, the Palestinians are our brothers and we support them to get their land and to get their rights and defeat you, the Jews.

        • Posted By: vrhino @ 12/30/2008 8:09:11 AM

          "Do you know jews? You're the most ignoble people walking on earth. You're the killers of the messengers of the God. You're very dangerous to the humanity. You don't deserve to live."

          See - thats the kind of thing Israel is fighting. People who don't believe in our basic human right to live.
          I want to see the hypocrite who tells me this can be justified in any way.

        • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/28/2008 5:12:51 PM

          You had better hope the conflict you seem to relish so much never happens. America and the West is very tolerant and slow to anger. But when necessary, we can strike with a terrible vengance. While it is a skill we hope to never use, we are able to wage war with an efficiency and a precision you can never hope to master.

          When Israel was born, they defeated the combined might of three Arab nations, with nothing more than hand weapons, grenades, and a single piece of artillery. And later, when they had proper armaments, they smoked you again.

          Arabs are like an old dog with a loud bark and no teeth. You talk a good game, but can never deliver. You are cowards who resort to sucide bombings and terrorist attacks against unarmed civilians, because every time you face a real military, you fold like so much paper.

          You are the ones who have chosen to view this as a fight to the death. Be thankful that so far America and the West views your rhetoric as nothing more than the ramblings of an errant child - because if we ever thought you were a serious threat, it is you who would be slaughtered - quickly, efficiently, and with no mercy.

          • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 2:12:28 PM

            "America and the West is very tolerant and slow to anger. But when necessary, we can strike with a terrible vengance. "

            Unfortunately, America seems to invade the wrong countries. If Bush had been president at the time of Pearl Harbor, he would have invaded Brazil.

          • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/29/2008 9:40:35 AM

            Jesus, what a bully. Shut up, Zig Zag. I've seen street gangs who acted less thuggish than you just did.

            For someone supporting a nation that owes its existence to stronger nations and powers giving it a mandate to do so and the weapons to make it possible, you certainly brag and bark a lot yourself. I as a taxpayer support the very weapons you're talking about with tax dollars - as do you - but the difference is that I don't particularly want to see them used to satisfy somebody's stupid nasty habits of threatening people.

            I don't particularly know if you realize how much of a dangerous bully you come off as here...

      • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/27/2008 2:47:44 PM

        Not everyone who criticizes Israel is a neo-Nazi or a skinhead.

        • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 2:09:28 PM

          True, but the ones who are, are HILARIOUS.

  • Posted By: vrhino @ 12/30/2008 7:54:12 AM

    How do you think the US would react if, lets say, Florida was bombed EVEN ONCE by Mexico? Now take that and imagine Florida was under constant missile attack for 8 YEARS.
    So - how do you think the US would retaliate? in my opinion it will wipe out mexico from the face of the earth. Just like they're wiping out Iraq and Afghanistan.
    How would you feel if you lived in a city under constant attack? what would you say to the govermnemt officials that call out peace and truce? when your children can't attend school properly, when people wait at bus stops but never get to board the bus. How would you feel?
    And how would you feel if you drove on a road (you payed for with taxes) and suddenly a mob would pelt your car with rocks and stones? how would you feel if your daughter riding in the back seat would get her head crashed by one of those rocks?
    How would you feel about not being able to enter malls, train stations, public parks etc without having the constant fear some crazed Islamic extremest would blow up in your face?
    How would you feel about sending your 18 year old son to a possible fate of death - not because he chose to enlist to the army but because he has to by law?
    If you have no idea how you'd feel about all of the above - come live in Israel for a while. Just to see if you get the feel of it. Maybe then you'd be less prone to call us brutal criminals.

  • Posted By: meltoncn @ 12/30/2008 1:44:36 AM

    Hamas attacks bus stops, cafes, and markets. Israel attacks Hamas government buildings and field operatives. Regardless of which side is the rightful owner of the area, the specific targeting of innocent civilians by Hamas missiles is cowardly, hiding behind their own civilians when the time comes to pay the price is even more cowardly.

  • Posted By: grimreaper @ 12/29/2008 7:02:25 PM

    The vituperative tone of the comments posted illustrates the visceral hatred that the supporters of the belligerents have for each other.One shudders to think of the hatred that the belligerents have for each other.And only people with a tin ear can have the illusion of peace here.

  • Posted By: skeetchamp @ 12/29/2008 6:53:25 PM

    MY point is that all this talk of a Jewish or Palestinian "Homeland" is a bunch of crap that someone long ago scribbled on some papyrus to justify a whole lot of things that were wrong then and are even more wrong now.
    I don't want to pay taxes to support a bunch of savages -- on both sides, or even on one side -- in their genocide. Saying you are "defending" yourself by dropping bombs on defenseless babies and women who don't even have an army is far more outrageous than firing shoulder-launched rockets at people who HAVE jets and tanks.
    They're all mad, and I don't want my taxes to sponsor it anymore. You can find justification in the Bible for genocide, slavery, incest and rape, I don't accept references to the Bible in support of EITHER side. My love for the Bible doesn't close my eyes to the difference between the whole sections of it that are Jewish mythology that even they know are fables and history or reality.

  • Posted By: jackdarkhand @ 12/27/2008 1:02:53 PM

    Just one American's opinion: I don't care about Israel and I never have.

    What a bunch of angry tribes and nation-states do to one another on the other side of the globe is none of my business. Certainly, I find America's involvement there to be an unwanted tax burden; not to mention that it could enmire us in worldwide thermonuclear war.

    It's pretty clear to me that the day America pulls the economic plug on Israel, Israel will be forced to make peace with its neighbors. But whether the result is peace, or the self-annihilation of that part of the world... it shouldn't be my problem. As an american, I have no dog in this fight.

    Can't we just mind our business, and let the Middle East sort its own problems out?

    (Like I said, just one American's opinion. I suppose there's nobody else in America who's sick of hearing about their endless, petty fights.)

    • Posted By: Horrible Bastard @ 12/29/2008 2:14:34 PM

      "Just one American's opinion: I don't care about Israel and I never have.

      What a bunch of angry tribes and nation-states do to one another on the other side of the globe is none of my business. "

      That's a refreshing change.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/27/2008 2:41:59 PM

      America's military alliance with Israel was part of the same "containment" strategy that brought us Vietnam, which philosophy is still very much in effect today - we had to get in bed with Israel because Iran and Syria were getting in bed with the USSR and China. In principle it was to give us regional influence there to stop "the Communists" from establishing a power bloc, or stealing our precious bodily fluids (sorry, I tried to remain neutral in my languyage, but that may still be the single greatest line ever to illustrate the stupidity of "containment" paranoia). Obviously, Communist influence has diminished in Russia and is diminishing in China, but the resentments and the power-bloc ideology are still very much in effect - not hard to understand in Russia, particularly, with a petty-minded ex-KGB thug running the country and seventy percent of the population overlooking the thuggery because they feel like Russia is finally getting some power back...

      In practice, my opinion is that all containment has done is get us involved in stupid dangerous wars that bankrupt our damn country and give military-industrial-complex mercenaries and corporations an opportunity to lie and get rich off the same. Eisenhower was utterly prescient in his warning to beware the military-industrial complex, but unfortunately, very few people these days are paying attention. But that's international relations for you.

  • Posted By: busby @ 12/27/2008 12:00:27 PM

    Frankly, Hamas and Hamas alone bears the responsibility. They endanger their own citizens by hiding among them and by continued assaults when they well know a response will eventually come. And they are right. At some point Israel lifts its self control and counter attacks knowing full well that they will be blamed. No one wants to see children killed. But in my mind that includes Israeli children also. It's a poor excuse for a country that does not protect its own people and verbal attacks on Israel for responding just show a sickening one sidedness.

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/27/2008 2:44:39 PM

      Palestine has never really become a country and certainly never has been one, which probably explains the tendency of its government not to really be one.

      I don't particularly feel that gave Israel the right to kick half a million Palestinians out of their homes, though, so why don't you put some of the blame on the way Israel was founded instead of blaming it all on Hamas?

      • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/28/2008 4:42:44 PM

        I think Israel and the Palastineans have to both take ownership of the overall situation. Mistakes have been made on both sides. But with respect to this specific event - I agree with the comment above - Hamas is to blame. The Israelis and Palstineans were making real progress towards peace under Abbas - then Hamas, through violence, took over the Gaza Strip and started hurling rockets towards Israeli cities. Israel had no choice but to respond. Hamas, and Hamas alone, must take responsibility for this.

        People need to remember that Hamas is not the same as the Palastinean people as a whole. Yes, they represent the views of some of them, but not all. Hamas continues to promote the destruction of Israel. Until this changes, these incidents will continue. If Hamas want war, that is what they will get - and they must accept responsibility for the results.

        • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/29/2008 9:48:36 AM

          Yes, I'll go along with that. Nice post.

  • Posted By: nasser kharnoub @ 12/27/2008 9:02:59 PM

    to every Amerrican who feels happy for the massacre in Gazza stripe:
    You cant stand the tears of an american baby who lost his toy!but we can bear millions of tons of bombs thrown over our heads from your warplanes granted to the Israeli forces, because we knew a lot of the brut barbarian troops who wanted all the time to shed the Arab blood but we have the patience to fight and to live . tomorrow is a new day with a new destiny and our destiny is to be victorious at the end.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/28/2008 4:34:24 PM

      The vast majority of American's sympathize any time any civilians are killed anywhere in the world. We would like to see peace around the world. The Palistineans were working towards peace with the leadership of Abbas. Then Hamas violently took control of the Gaza Strip and started hurling rockets and mortars at Israeli cities.

      The Arab world needs to learn that as long as it chooses to remain silent as Hamas shells innocent civilians in Israel, then its cries of outrage when Israel responds will be met with equal silence by the rest of the world.

      An uncompromising, hyprocritical view of this situation will never lead to victory, just to more death.

      • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/29/2008 9:43:18 AM

        "The vast majority of American's sympathize any time any civilians are killed anywhere in the world."

        Oh, bullshit. Most Americans don't give a *** about Darfur, Tibet, or any other nation experiencing civilian slaughter unless somebody on the news somewhere says we should, or else it affects our oil reserves somehow. Drop the sanctimony and the pretense that we're all a bunch of caring defenders of freedom, already. We're a nation just like any other, with a populace that can be, and frequently is, led by the nose into believing a whole bunch of contradictory things, and takes more of our cues than we should from the various media outlets of the world.

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 12/28/2008 11:35:37 PM

    For six decades, the agonizing conflict between in the Mid-east continues with complete disregard of loss of human lives, particularly the poor and the innocence. Each side adamantly if not vehemently argues that it has the right to the territory, ignoring the intermittent pleas of the international community for peaceful co-existence.

    One would have wished that in a few days time, the New Year could have ushered in a new hope for the region that gave birth to three of the greatest religions of the world. But, sadly, rockets have been fired from the ground and bombs rained from the sky, eradicating whatever anticipation there may be for a more tranquil 2009.

    Has the faith in different religion become one of the main causes of the carnage? To a large extent, the mighty religions shared the same root, teaching love, care and respect. It would be beyond conventional wisdom that sibling squabbles can result in such a lengthy antagonism and bloodshed.

    Human beings seem to have been blinded for millennia by self-fulfilling belief and arrogance, thinking that one is always right while others must be wrong. Such selfishness, intolerance and narrow-mindedness contribute in no small way to all the hostilities in human history.

    And yet the dark human nature pervades all corners and persistently impregnates the mind. Does the world NEED ANY RELIGION?
    (Tan Boon Tee)

  • Posted By: JohnWB @ 12/27/2008 8:40:57 AM

    Three f*****g comments? Did you read? "Some of the missiles struck in densely populated areas as children were leaving school and women rushed into the streets frantically looking for their children"? Where is your outrage, Americans? Appalling...

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/28/2008 4:57:13 PM

      Our outrage is directed at Hamas, which has created this situation. They are the ones who chose to fire rockets and mortars next to schools. Where is your outrage at that?

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/27/2008 4:56:29 PM

      It's around...

  • Posted By: mjkoch @ 12/27/2008 10:33:06 PM

    No other civilized country in the world would allow its citizens to be the targets of hundreds of rockets fired by terrorist groups at their cities and towns every day. Hamas, like Hezbollah, hide behind innocent civilians and launch missiles at Israeli schools, restaurants, supermarkets and homes.

    Since our 911 Islamic terrorists have murdered innocent civilians (men, women, and children) in Israel, Iraq, India, England, Spain, The Netherlands, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Tunesia, Fiji, The Philipines and more.

    When suicide bombers sent by Hamas blow up busses or restaurants full of women and children in Israel the Palestinians celebrate and dance and pass out candy. The Moslem world is always strangely silent when terrorists attack innocent civilians around the world but when a country tries to protect itself they suddenly have problems with that.

    Hamas is sworn to the destruction of the State of Israel and Israel has every right to defend its citizens by any means possible. Period.

    • Posted By: Zig Zag @ 12/28/2008 3:36:19 PM

      I agree - and I continue to be amazed at the level of restraint excercised by Israel. Perhaps the time for restraint is over, at least with respect to Hamas. Maybe if they were finally elminated as a threat, the rest of the Palistinians, under the leadership of Abbas, could actually work with Isreal towards peace. Hamas is nothing more than a bunch of thugs and they should be treated as such.

  • Posted By: dror ben ami @ 12/28/2008 2:32:50 PM

    When the United States and Britian invaded Iraq I don't remember anyone trying to get "an exact count" of how many Iraqis were killed. In fact, even today no one gives even "an estimated account" of how many Iraqis have been killed. Why is it only when Israel has a war everyone in the media becomes so obessed with how many people were killed?

  • Posted By: martialguy @ 12/28/2008 2:02:45 AM

    Israel is a powerful nation with nuclear capability and needs no other nation to act as its cheerleader to that nation's own detriments by gathering more hatred from the arab world. There are so many other nations desperately needing help. Why bother chearleading for the strong? Yes, we can help many other nations

  • Posted By: Tan Boon Tee @ 12/27/2008 11:19:50 PM

    It is doubtful that the new president of the US and his seemingly illustrious team could do anything more or better than the outgoing administration as far as the Middle-east impasse is concerned. Most likely than not, there will be yet another extremely long tussling round of negotiations with hardly any possible glimpse of amicable solution in the near future.

    Just a few days after the end of the six-month precarious truce, Israel bombed Gaza (Dec 27) in retaliation to Hamas rocket attacks in the border region. One Israeli died and some 200 Palestinians perished as a result. The Israeli defense minister warned that the nation reserves the right to hit the Hamas again if the latter does not stop its violent act.

    An eye for an eye, is this anything new in the near six decades of Middle-east conflict? With each party persistently claiming their rights without the slightest compromise, when will the bloodshed end?
    (Tan Boon Tee)

  • Posted By: jbz7879 @ 12/27/2008 2:05:46 PM

    FOR CYBERSAVY
    IF YOU ARE SO BRAVE AND VALIANT A JEW
    WHY DID YOU TAKE YOUR SMOKING *** OUT OF THE HOLY SINAI DESERT AND LEBANON TOO
    GO BACK AND TRY LICKING SOME OF THOSE WOUNDS

    MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF FIGHTING THE NAZIS RATHER THEN LET THEM GAS 6 MILLIONS OF YOU
    WHAT WERE YOU JEWS AFRAID OF THEN -IF YOU ARE SO BRAVE INDEED
    SHOULD HAVE SAVED YOUR KIN THEN -6 MILLION KILEED LIKE RATS
    AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT BRAVERY
    CYBER SAVE YOUR BRAVERY FOR THE HOLLYWOOD HOLOCAUST MOVIES-THAT IS THE ONLY TIME YOU LOOK BRAVE

    • Posted By: Vigilance @ 12/27/2008 2:29:12 PM

      There wouldn't have been any particular way for the German Jews to organize at that point in history.

      Warfare was waged between nations and at that point (unlike today) it really WAS all about who could field a ground army. Jews certainly weren't allowed to be part of the German police forces as far as I know.

      Certainly I have my own controversial opinions about Israel, but I think saying "why didn't you fight instead of run" is a pretty unfair thing to say. You had to have to have a central government, really, in the 1930s and 1940s, in order to fight, and they didn't - one reason that the modern state of Israel was established. The Holocaust was a bad genocide and millions of innocent people got tortured and killed for no reason. A lot of present-day Israeli militance is due to the Holocaust, and who can blame them really - except that Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons, and in the words of one of their political scientists, "we can wipe Europe off the map if anyone threatens us". Not hard to understand why everyone's so on edge after six million people were killed in concentration camps, and Europe was known for extreme anti-Semitism before that anyway, so there's a lot of resentment there. On the other hand, if Israel ever uses a nuclear weapon to retaliate against anything except a nuclear, biological, or chemical terrorist attack, it's going to lose a lot of the international compassion and mandate which established this modern state...and I don't think anyone is particularly inclined to like Israel any better when they start talking about trying to nuke an entire continent.

      I certainly am sort of pissed at them for threatening to do...and at ordinary Americans make a lot of statements about casually using nuclear weapons - failing to understand that just about any use of a high-yield modern nuclear weapon is likely to spread radioactive dust around the entire world and cause widespread radiation sickness, and failing to understand that a MAJOR nuclear war is likely to kill them too, along with just about everyone else in the world.

      Not much to say except the old adages about warfare being a burning hell that you can't understand til you've been there...I do believe many of the Americans escalating wars right now are those who have no direct experience with it themselves and just saw the media response to 9/11 on TV...

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