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  • Posted By: bossmom98 @ 09/20/2008 5:24:35 PM

    I don't have a problem with the gay/lesbian community, But what i do have a problem with is that they, or muslim or atheists, etc, are asking for, and receiving recognition. But how come as a believer and lover of Jesus Christ, we have to "shut up" on the job or it is grounds for being fired or disciplined? Yet a muslim is allowed to leave work for prayer sessions throughout the day. Yet my employer won't let a handful of us have a Bible study in the breakroom OFF the clock. You want us to be open minded, yet those of us who live as Christians, don't get to "come out of the closet" without being persecuted. GLBTs are way more accepted today than that of a believer. Is this being open minded?

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/20/2008 5:50:41 PM

      "But how come as a believer and lover of Jesus Christ, we have to "shut up" on the job or it is grounds for being fired or disciplined?"

      When you say "shut up" of be disciplined are you mening that you are not allowed ot evangelisze to your fellow workers? If that is the case then your company is correct. It is one thing for you to have time to pray but when you try to convert otehrs THAT is crossing the line. Evangelism is harrassment, pure and simple.


      "Yet a muslim is allowed to leave work for prayer sessions throughout the day. Yet my employer won't let a handful of us have a Bible study in the breakroom OFF the clock."

      The Muslim is not using company property for religious purposes. They are not prevetning others from utilizing a space that is for ALL employees. That is teh difference. Now if you asked for the right to go off-site to have yor bible study (and you were not taking a large number of employees away from their worktime, then you should have that right.

      "Is this being open minded?"
      It has nothing to do with being open-minded. It has to do with appropriate use of company resources. During the summer of grad school (years ago) I worked with someone who constantly tried to convert me. Ask me to bible studies, and the like. The very first time I told him, politley, that I was not intersted was the ONLY time I shoud have had to do so. After that he had no right to push it (especially udring company time.) I warned him to stop it and he claimed that his religious rights allowed him to keep trying to convert me. Well the boss fired him. He was wrong and the boss was correct.

    • Posted By: palinchick @ 09/20/2008 5:29:39 PM

      excellent point

  • Posted By: annamaria63 @ 09/20/2008 3:57:53 PM

    What in the world are you talking about. Rights of gays and moral judgement? I have rights because i am a human being so do they. I dont have specials rights for any other reason. Thats what you are all asking for.
    It's not going to happen you know why? YOUR WRONG...

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/20/2008 4:18:44 PM

      Actually you are wrong. They are not asking for special rights, they are asking for EQUAL rights.

      Ther reality is that we straights get special rights. We are allowed to marry and immediately have legal rights bestowed upon us that a monogamous gay or lesbian couple of over 30 years has to jum through hoops to get and even then some backwoods states and a bunch of jerks in the federal government will deny them. So it we heterosexuals who have special rights. We do not deserve them.

      • Posted By: zorbin @ 09/20/2008 5:25:25 PM

        As a woman that has been married three times in the "normal" way and has 5 children, who is now (in our eyes) married in the right way with my life partner can speak from both sides of the fence, as far as what "rights" that have/were bestowed upon my life now/then. When married in the so called "normal" way there was nothing that was denied i.e. health care, SS benefits, taxes, FMLA, insurance, etc. As a woman now married as a lesbian these things are very hard to get. My wifband had to jump through hoops to have me added to her health insurance, when I was hospitalized for 1 month due to an accident she tried to get FMLA from her employer and was denied because I wasn't considered her spouse, even though we had signed a affidavit for domestic partnership to have me added to her health insurance; this is one example (I could cite many). My point is this...I have been paying taxes and SS for over 40 years (I am 53), for the first 43 years of my life it was tagged as the "normal" way of life and now I am in the right way of my life. I am lucky because I do have someone that is there for me now and later. I have made legal arrangements so my wifband does not have problems when I pass (when ever that is) when this should not be a problem...this has to change...this is not a "special" request, but a human request.

        Now in response to some posts:
        To all those who say they believe in God and the bible: God created all man and woman kind, that includes gays and lesbians. Remember GOD loves all his children and forgives, try it you might like it.

        Homosexuals are very promiscuous: Well not any more or less than anyone else, but I believe less...isn't teen pregnancy and abortions up to unbelievable rates? (Just a note: Before this relationship after last marriage I was celibate for over 4 years until I met my life mate and other like my ex-husbands values, my wifband and I are very monogamous and have been for over 6 years)

        Yes, this country was founded on CHRISTIAN values....killing and taking first, values later...just ask those who are left from their ancestors...

        • Posted By: Pheonix_f @ 09/20/2008 5:49:30 PM

          Now in response to some posts:
          To all those who say they believe in God and the bible: God created all man and woman kind, that includes gays and lesbians. Remember GOD loves all his children and forgives, try it you might like "

          Yes God did create us all and he does love us all! And I agree that as christians we should be more loving towards homosexuals, BUT that does not mean we have to agree or promote the way you choose to live. God is our creator, but not our controller. He gave us a free will and with that we can make right and wrong choices and go after healthy or unhealthy desires...just because you do something does not mean God backs it or that it is of Him. And yes He forgives, but if you continue to do something you asking "forgiveness" for, are you truly sorry for it, or trying to avoid a bad outcome?

  • Posted By: bossmom98 @ 09/20/2008 5:45:43 PM

    It's really hard to understand some people. We are trying to have a mature and open minded discussion and then you get people like straightandproud and a few others who are just being silly and can't come up with anything intelligent to say. You are entitled to your own opinion but geez, get a life and grow up and say something a little more adult and stop making yourself look like a buffoon.

  • Posted By: KM521 @ 09/20/2008 4:12:23 PM

    Keep your sick religious views (homosexuality is a sin) out of public policy; I know separation of church and state has been violated like never before in the last 8 years, but it is still part of the constituion. I feel sorry for people who are so provincial and dull-minded that they can't use their own common sense and intelligence to sort out issues. They can't think for themselves so they turn into moonies following an archaic set of rules about what is right and wrong; religions created in ancient times to control the masses. If there was a god, he would want you to use the brain he gave you...use it.

    • Posted By: Pheonix_f @ 09/20/2008 5:44:16 PM

      Last time I checked "seperation of church and state" wasn't in the consitution...it's was in a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a church that was afraid the government would try and control it. He was letting them know that the government could not control the church and the church could not control the government. That does not mean they have no connection. In early America many ministers were involved in the goverment and many government officials relied on the wisdom of the church and it's pastors.

  • Posted By: buddha44 @ 09/20/2008 5:39:58 PM

    well,in this day and age of enlightment it sure is disturbing to read people posting such hatred against their fellow man or woman

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 5:43:55 PM

      enlightenment is a choice like so many other things

  • Posted By: Babybassgirl @ 09/20/2008 5:40:05 PM

    Thinking of old people having sex is bad enough...but old GAY people. Now that is just plain gross.

  • Posted By: straightandproud @ 09/20/2008 5:32:07 PM

    hey love this stuff......the only thing my breath smells like is your wife or girlfriends vagina....I'm sure someone else is nailing her since your weiner is so small

    • Posted By: bossmom98 @ 09/20/2008 5:38:10 PM

      maybe you should try talking intelligent instead of something gross like that. that is NOT even mature, Stick with the discussion and quit making yourself look like an ass.

  • Posted By: straightandproud @ 09/20/2008 4:57:07 PM

    hey higgy....have fun sticking some dude's weiner in your butt....gross

    • Posted By: Higgy26 @ 09/20/2008 5:20:11 PM

      At least I am man enough to admit it.. And just who do you think you are? I really wonder if you are married and carry on a NORMAL relationship.

      • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 5:34:50 PM

        you meant male...................sort of

    • Posted By: Oneof Gods Creations @ 09/20/2008 5:18:43 PM

      Wow...you must have them lining up at your door...Such a speciment of dignity and intelligence...you must be such a great catch - NOT!

      • Posted By: straightandproud @ 09/20/2008 5:29:42 PM

        already married and my wife would think you are a loser also...and she's a democrat, so go take it in the butt loser

  • Posted By: Pheonix_f @ 09/20/2008 5:34:14 PM

    "Now in response to some posts:
    To all those who say they believe in God and the bible: God created all man and woman kind, that includes gays and lesbians. Remember GOD loves all his children and forgives, try it you might like "

    Yes God did create us all and he does love us all! And I agree that as christians we should be more loving towards homosexuals, BUT that does not mean we have to agree or promote the way you choose to live. God is our creator, but not our controller. He gave us a free will and with that we can make right and wrong choices and go after healthy or unhealthy desires...just because you do something does not mean God backs it or that it is of Him. And yes He forgives, but if you continue to do something you asking "forgiveness" for, are you truly sorry for it, or trying to avoid a bad outcome?

  • Posted By: bossmom98 @ 09/20/2008 5:29:48 PM

    I don't have a problem with gay lesbian people. Just a point to consider: Gay lesbian people are more acceptable this days than do those of us who are believers in Jesus Christ. They are allowed to talk about their relationships, with each other, but we are not allowed to express our love for Jesus or we can be fired. Even muslims are given time for their prayers during the work day, but I am not even allowed to have a Bible study OFF the clock in the breakroom at work because it may offend someone. Go figure.

  • Posted By: Mostfortunate1 @ 09/20/2008 5:10:05 PM

    This comment is in response to gettthepoint. First of all, I hope you have intelligence enough to know that HIV and Aids are just as prominent in heterosexual relationships and can be spread by other means such as blood transfusions and through open wounds that come in contact with a carrier. The point of the article is simply the fact that gays and lesbians who lose a partner are left in a less secure situation than those in
    heterosexual relationships. The question to ask is why should a loving couple who have built their life together
    for 10, 15 or 20 years have to be left with less security than anyone else simply because society wants to put
    labels on their relationship? That is absolutely obsured. No one judges you because you may have fallen in
    love with a black man or woman or because she is blonde, brunette, Jewish etc... We do not choose the person our hearts draw us to. Why should you or Geoerge W. be concerned with the morality of what I am doing with my life? Everyone that walks the earth is a sinner and if you disagree you are a hypercrite. If loving someone is a sin, so be it, but it is between MY GOD and ME, not anyone else. I believe if you read the Bible judging others is not your job and hatred is not a very Christian thing either. Gayandproud

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 5:20:38 PM

      Why is it that you folks love to refer to the bible when you say you shouldn't judge, but then when asked if the bible is accurate, you are quick to say absolutely not. But since you brought it up, let's go there. The bible does say i should judge a tree by it's fruit. a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. The problems mentioned in the article are bad fruit are they not. They are also connected only to the gay community (that't the whole point of the article). That looks like bad fruit to me. But now back to HIV and AIDs. You dont have to go to the bible for this one. A man and a Woman engaged in a commited relationship, will never reproduce the AIDS virus. Now I know that the same is true for a male, male relationship in which each party is solely committed to the other, but the article says they have problems of thier own as well. Why are you reluctant to link the tree to its fruit. It works kind of like evolution.

  • Posted By: Wolff Mann @ 09/20/2008 4:56:19 PM

    The issue here is the same for every American, not just the gay and lesbian population, Every US citizen has the right to employment where they are qualified to work without unfair working conditions, to live in any neighborhood or walk any street without fear, and to have the same rights and access to the same pubic services. But you do not have to be homosexual to know that this isn't the case. Nor do you have to be to have known what disrespect, unfair and unjust treatment and lack of 'public recognition' is. Every person knows what it is like to be left by the wayside while it seems everyone else gets 'theirs'. Grow up and see that it is happening everywhere and quit whining about it as if the gay community are the only poor souls that know what bad is.

    • Posted By: IrishLib @ 09/20/2008 5:20:01 PM

      Could not have said it better.

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 5:08:13 PM

      Now that's what I'm talking about!

  • Posted By: Love This Stuff @ 09/20/2008 5:13:53 PM

    to straight and proud: I hope your genitals turn green and fall off. You are an absolute jack a@#! Your own breath probably smells like a penis but you are to scared to admit it. Please die a slow and painful death.

  • Posted By: quirkymama @ 09/18/2008 2:38:19 PM

    The bible was created to control the masses by the church. Which really meant the church controlled the wealth and power. Whoever believes in the bible can not at the same time believe in logic and science and independent thought. The bible is in direct opposition to logic, not to mention full of it's own contradictions. Demeaning homosexuality with biblical passages is like denying the existence of volcanoes by quoting mashed potatoes.

    • Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 5:10:09 PM

      Not really true but an interesting perspective. The Bible really chronicles the trials and tribulation of humans as they attempt to become more civilized. we are a creature of habit and without reminders of our past we forget and repeat our mistakes. The book is supposed to remind us that we should love our neighbors and overlook their shortcomings. Man has used the book to get power and money but the book still serves a purpose, to remind us that we should do better to love our brothers and sisters. We forget this much too often when we focus on making others see our view point. This goes for everyone including the gay community because we are all human.

    • Posted By: CHATO4444 @ 09/18/2008 2:45:08 PM

      The Bible was written for direction of God's people. I agree that many, including churches have taken these principles for their own good and diverted the true meaning of this book and It's writings to better thier own agenda. If one was to take It's teachings and follow them as they were intended, for oneself, it would bring a sense of peace.

  • Posted By: tucker789 @ 09/18/2008 2:36:55 PM

    I was wondering if anyone who has commented on this article has ever met God? Have you talked to him recently? I'm going to go ahead and answer for you, NO! Heres a thought, maybe God isn't the bigot and hateful thing that some of you make him or her out to be. If you're a bigot, be a bigot but don't hide behind this false idea that God agrees with you. And don't use a comeback like "it's in the bible, so I'm right". Ignorant.

    • Posted By: CHATO4444 @ 09/18/2008 2:40:09 PM

      Actually, I speak to God everyday...its called prayer and he has answered me faithfully. I do not think people are bigots when it comes to their religious beliefs. I think most people who are against this type of lifstyle just strongly beleive what the Biible teaches. Many who probably have realized the good that comes from obeying the biblical principles. It is acutally pretty peaceful following these principles.

      • Posted By: callmehandy64 @ 09/18/2008 3:35:33 PM

        I am extremely curious why you all (heterosexuals) are interested in reading an article about gay senior citizens. What is the reason for straight, god-fearing, church-going people to read articles about gays and argue about what being gay is all about? What's in it for you?

        • Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:57:14 PM

          Good point. Not sure, maybe because people like to feel they are better than someone else. Self righteous maybe?

      • Posted By: dougnok @ 09/18/2008 3:32:27 PM

        Very good comments CHATO, but I talk to God in prayer every day as well and I have been wonderfully blessed. I have a partner (male) and we have been together for over 30 years now. My only exception with your comments is that you assume that the Bible is literal in all respects. My church does not teach that. What you read in English does not match the original language or the fact that the stories are not the literal truth as defined by the mind of a modern person. Proof texting the Bible is no different than proof texting a passage from the science fiction novel "Stranger in a Strange Land".

        • Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:55:50 PM

          Just because your church does not teach it that way does not mean it is not a sin. It is but I would gather that many sexual encounters are sinful. We should not fall into the trap of judging someone else nor should we try to justify our own sins. I'm happy for your family and hope it lasts another 30 years and more.

    • Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:50:39 PM

      Why is it that people who disagree with you are ignorant?

  • Posted By: calaraz @ 09/20/2008 4:54:49 PM

    Well, from the postings that I have read here, I see that homophobia, bigotry, hypocricy, and ignorance are all alive and well. and both the religious and non-religious are practicing all of those. What a tragic, self serving world we are living in!

  • Posted By: Higgy26 @ 09/20/2008 4:53:27 PM

    Iam so glad I'm gay. I don't have ot have dumb daughters with oral sex diseases denying that oral sex is even sex, and dumb jocks who have given it to them. May 90210 live on forever as an icon for stupidity.

  • Posted By: straightandproud @ 09/20/2008 4:50:24 PM

    here is how gays can seek respect...as the article states.........turn straight and noone will have any problem..

  • Posted By: CHATO4444 @ 09/18/2008 2:36:02 PM

    There are other factors involved other than those stated in the Bible. It has been well documented and research has shown that children of same sex parents do not have the same positive/normal traits as that of opposite sex parents. A boy needs a father figure and a girl needs a mom. Not two moms and two dads. The whole concept of sam sex marriage is not good. Personally I can care less of what two people do in the private life but please do not go around pretending that you dillusional lifestyle is good for your children. It's not and there is plenty non-biased documentation to prove this.

    • Posted By: mcsaripkin @ 09/18/2008 2:43:05 PM

      So by you logic, a single parent should not be allowed to raise a child (or children) because they do not have a 2 parent home.

      • Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:48:33 PM

        No but the data shows that they have more challenges.

    • Posted By: dougnok @ 09/18/2008 3:11:19 PM

      Actually you are completely mistaken. The reports from psychologists suggests that the children of gay parents grow up as well adjusted as those with opposite sex parents. The only reports that you can point to are those from people, like Dr. Socrates, who go into their research with their mind already made up about the results.

  • Posted By: shadowcat88 @ 09/18/2008 4:42:29 PM

    If I had my head as far up my ass as you bible beating churchies I bet all I would see is *** too.
    this is a very depressing world as it is you can't be happy for two people who have found love.
    you're probably just pissed because your own lovelife sux. I'm sorry you bigots have nothing better to do than ridicule others. I'm sorry the world has to be so F'ed up as to hate someone because of theyre love. you should get a life.

    • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/18/2008 4:46:28 PM

      Get it through your thick skull. It's not hating the player, it's hating the game. The lifestyle, the lifestyle, the lifestyle. Get it right! No one hates you. We don't even know you!

      • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/18/2008 6:05:44 PM

        STOP USING WE! You You You are the Bigot wave your sheet proudly jerk!

        • Posted By: Higgy26 @ 09/20/2008 4:47:36 PM

          I am so glad I'm gay. I dont't have to have air head daughters in highschool with oral gonnhera who don't believe they're having sex.and the dumb as jocks who don't realize they are giving it too them. May 90210 live on forever as the hallmark of stupidity.

      • Posted By: jchastn @ 09/18/2008 6:14:32 PM

        What lifestyle are you talking about. I have the same lifestyle as everyone else in my community. I own a house, have a job, pay my bills, VOTE, read, write, and think. I was born physically attracted to my same gender. I fell in love with my spouse (married after 10 years in CA last month). We will not automatically inherit each others estates and when our house which we have willed to each other goes thru probate, big taxes will have to be paid. I will not receive my partners Navy benefits when he dies as any other spouse would. He served his country in the Navy for 20 years, but his country will not recognize his marriage. THAT is hateful, discriminatory, and not what Jesus would do. Jesus said NOT A WORD about homosexuality. But his said alot about loving your neighbor as yourself.

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