Why does the gay community think everyone else is ignorant? Well, I am not gay, but I will tell you why I think people who state, as I read earlier, that homosexuality is a sin are ignorant. Anyone who states that is clearly blinded by religion; The Christian religions were created as instruments to control the masses and flourish with people who are so provincial and dull-witted that they cannot process complex issues and therefore turn to religion to tell them how to think and feel. They live in a world where common sense is thrown out the window and science is viewed with contempt. If there was a God, he would be ashamed at the fact that he gave humans brains where so many of them don't use it. THAT might be why so many think that people who state things like "homosexuality is a sin" are ignorant. Oh yeah, and there is this thing in the constitution that talks about the separation of church and state. Keep your religious crap out of public policy
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 4:46:15 PM
What are the people in the article facing? What's the cause of thier need? Didn't the article say that they face lonelyness..... Wasn't it written that because of the effects of the AIDS virus and HIV, that many have lost partners, and that since the effects of this disease affect more homosexuals than others in the community that they are in need of some extra help and recognition. Let's not forget, thta it was also mentioned, that since they are gay, health care might be harder to find, as well as friends......... Even you, with all your superior knowledge and ability to discern truth can see that thier problem is not those in the Christian community that abhor the gay lifestyle. Christians nor any other religious group of people put these problems on these elderly gays. Think about it........think hard if you have to....... Can you really link the two...... The link my friend is not their hatred of Christians, but thier love of thier lifestyle. OK, let's just say they didn't have a choice in how they were made.... I can buy that. but they did have a choice in thier actions, didn't they? How is HIV spread?....... by actions..... What kind of actions?...... Oh, those kind of actions. Keep the bible out of it. We can bring that in when the discussion gets too difficult. This one is so easy to figure out, we dont even need a thesaurus. If anyone will choose not to engage in homosexual activity, promiscuous sex, or intravenous drug use, thier chances of contracting the virus are virtually zero. If you eliminate the AIDS virus and HIV and its effects on the gay population as written in the article, thier only problems are now just making new friends and getting health care. The health care one is easy.....It;s against the law to discriminate by virtue of sexual orientation. If that is happening, they need to find a lawyer, not a Christian to blame. And making friends, now that is simply a choice..... Or, if they make the right choices to begin with, they would have any "out of the ordinary" problems that they claim. It all based on a choice, like it or not. Now if I have offended you, I suppose you could call me ignorant, but you would have to get in line for me to hear your case.
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Posted By: liveninmexico @ 09/20/2008 4:41:09 PM
The constitution does not state there is to be seperations between church and state. It states that the government shall make no religion. ei. a formal government sponsered church.
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Posted By: uno08 @ 09/19/2008 10:47:51 AM
To all of you who think you have a great understanding on what is like to live the life of a homosexual, it is not easy. Most of you think we made the choice to live this way. Some of you are smart enough to know we didnt choose to live like this. Recently my father passed away and my family asked to name my partner in the obit, but I was unable to honor our relationship, and the friendship my father had with my partner because we knew our employers would read the paper.
To the ones out there who are unable to find it within to just accept that people are different...you dont have to agree...and allow us the same benifits as you share with your spouses. We dont want special traeatment we just want fair treatment.. Someone in your family is gay and you dont even know it, but you already love them. Your child may be gay, and hopefully he/she will be treated better in the years to come. Stop bringing up the bible,it dosent work anymore. im sure somewhere in there it talks about judging people. That is what you are doing. It says not to lie. You are lying to yourself if you think you are not affected by this problem. I hope all of you who sit and judge us are not cheating on your spouse, or neglecting your children. Please think about who you really are, I bet you can find it within yourself to accept people who are different.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 12:02:07 PM
so if living the life of a homosexual is so difficult, why do it. Nobody is forcing you. I know, you say it was not your choice...... If it wasn't your choice, then what was it. can't you see that you were made a certain way. Dont you know that your body parts are designed for a purpose, and that purpose is not just to feel good, or create pleasure. Once you start ignoring that fact, then it's easier to believe that you can be anything you want to be, male or female or something entirely different. Pretty soon, people wont know what they are, and a man will call himself a woman, or a woman will call themselves a man even when the equipment says otherwise. The gay community is always standing in opposition to what the bible says because they say its not fact, or you cant prove it. That's fine, I never brought the bible into this discussion. But why are you asking the world to ignore the bible because it's not fact yet at the same time your asking the world to deny what is fact as something that is not there. I hate to be crude, but take a look between your legs. That thing has a purpose. When you twist its purpose to conform with whatever you want to believe is normal, there is a price to pay. Would you drive your car into a lake because you wanted to go for a ride on the water.....if you do, there's a price to pay. You can do that if you want to, but it's sad that others would encourage you to be that stupid.
With regard to the bible, how can you continually cleave to the statements regarding judging others or being without sin but then throw out what it has to say regarding sexual relationships. I agree, if your going to throw it out, then throw it out wholesale, dont bring up any part of it.
With regard to accepting people, I can handle that. I've had many gay and lesbian friends, and yes there are even several sprinkled within my extended family. They're lifestyle is thier choice. I love them and I treat them no different for thier choices. That would be arrogant. But I cannot accept that the lifestyle is forced upon them.-
Posted By: Oneof Gods Creations @ 09/20/2008 4:44:12 PM
Why DO it? Why do YOU love the one YOU are with? That is a silly response...we no more CHOOSE to be this way, than you choose to be "straight" I can only pray that no-one in your family is gay, because your hatred is saddening
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Posted By: navel @ 09/19/2008 12:57:41 PM
Seems like you too are ignoring your body parts - the brain - idiot!
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Posted By: uno08 @ 09/19/2008 4:19:51 PM
I did not mean to suggest this life style was forced on me. No it wasnt. I have never had an attraction to the opposite sex. That is what I mean. I should not have to marry someone of the opposite gender to be able to get power of attorney when they are ill, or use the better of the two insurances we both have. My partner and I have been devoted to one another for 10 years now and we want to know the assets we have together-seprately are secure in the event something happens to one of us. The home we made together, will it be securley mine later or will my partners family be able to throw me out when something happens? These are some of the daily struggles we face where you dont have to. Please think about this. You say you have friends and family members like me, dont you want them protected as you are protected, your children? I dont have children and in the state we live in it is not easy to adopt. So yes I too am worried as to what will happen in the next few years when I might need someone to help me. Just because Im gay does that mean I dont deserve what you already have by law? Please reconsider your views all of you and help change things. We are not wicked people.
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Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 12:30:07 PM
Also to be crude, have you ever used your sexual organs for anything besides procreation? Why? That's not what they're for, y'know. Have you ever performed oral sex on your wife / girlfriend? Shocking! That's not what the mouth was designed for . . . . you're perverting the intention of the human body! Your statement is another example of "what's good for the goose doesn't apply to the gander".
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 1:09:30 PM
Once again, your attempting to put words in my mouth. i am well able to speak for myself. i never said i was perfect, but my wife would. The point is, if it can be clearly seen that through the use of one particular body part, such an I'll desired effect is achieved, why am I being asked to make allowances for the individual who continues in that behavior.
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Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 1:45:29 PM
Your words - ???Dont you know that your body parts are designed for a purpose, and that purpose is not just to feel good, or create pleasure. Once you start ignoring that fact, then it's easier to believe that you can be anything you want to be, male or female or something entirely different.??? That???s what my response addressed. I'm using your example and showing its fallacy by applying it to the issue being debated. If that's "putting words in your mouth", so be it. You keep coming back with the same "man -woman, that's how it was intended /designed, everything else is wrong and a choice" and ignoring every response that counters that argument. It boils down to this - it is obviously what you BELIEVE due to religious beliefs or otherwise, but it is not supported by irrefutable evidence ??? evidently expert medical and psychiatric opinion is trumped by your ???common sense???, and numerous examples of homosexual behavior in other species is irrelevant. I think we???re all clear on what you believe . . . you???ll need something more concrete outside of your own personal view of what???s ???right and wrong???, because that???s all it is . . your opinion. How about bringing something more to the table?
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Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 1:50:07 PM
"???" = quotation marks. I guess I won't try composing a response in MS Word and cutting / pasting again!
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 2:03:34 PM
if a dog engages in male to male relations, does that mean that's what they were designed to do? Does that mean the dog didn't have a choice?.....Let's say there is an overwhelming opinion that agrees with the dogs point of view......does that mean the dogs genetalia were designed for that purpose, or does it mean that the the overwhelming opinion might be askew. Could it be possible, just possible, that they were wrong, and even I alone were right, that the dogs appendage had a higher purpose. I am of the opinion that we should respect the dog, but I operate on a higher level than him.....don't you? You can walk with the dogs if you like, but you're gonna get fleas.......
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Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 2:25:54 PM
Hooo boy. "Even if it was only my opinion and the rest of the world disagrees with it I'd be right and they'd be wrong." (Are you related to our president?) You can certainly have any opinion you like, and if it makes you feel superior goodie for you. We get it . . . . GLAAD and all the other pro GLBT organizations will not be receiving your donation check anytime soon. Beyond that your posts are becoming monotonous for the reasons mentioned above.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 2:44:36 PM
so the dog is acting the way he was designed to...........male to male..........Yes, i would stand alone if I had to on that issue. At least the dog knows b etter than to complain about his problems..........
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Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 2:57:28 PM
Well, again . . . I guess the male organ is designed for one purpose only . . . . heterosexual sex that results in procreation. Anything else is not it's intended use, because you know
BTW . . . . you may not have noticed. Dogs can't speak, but they do complain. And considering how the majority are treated they have every right to. Visit a pound sometime . . . you can see the results of the correct use of the male appendage.
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Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/19/2008 12:05:48 PM
To all who realize that the article is fact-based and describes what has become an issue for so many aging gays and lesbians, please visit www.opencirclecommunities.com to learn more about a first-of-its-kind community designed specifically to help address this issue and to provide what many in the LGBT community are looking for in terms of a wonderful place in which to age openly and adventurously.
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Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/19/2008 11:05:47 AM
This is a wonderful comment and I am sorry about your father. You obviously do not live in California or any of the other states that now recognize same sex marriages. I do not know what your financial situation is but if you are able maybe a new start could be a plan.
Whatever your decision I wish you and your partner well.
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Posted By: ibinsanediego @ 09/18/2008 2:33:34 PM
some day we will find a cure for homo's so they won't have to go through life living as freaks of nature.
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:43:44 PM
This is a rude post. Why would anyone post something like this?
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Posted By: ergobot @ 09/18/2008 2:38:34 PM
and someday we'll find a cure for people who do nothing but judge and hate others that are different than they are. oh, and by the way the scientific definition of "freak of nature" is something born genetically different from anything else in the same species. so, you just proved a point that they don't choose to be gay. thanks.
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Posted By: Marich6868 @ 09/18/2008 2:34:05 PM
let's get back to basics when "ALL" seniors had respect, the country had respect, the military, our ELECTED leaders had respect and people in general!!! Let's not single out any ethnic, individual or sex in giving respect.
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:42:01 PM
Everyone diserves respect.
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Posted By: straightandproud @ 09/20/2008 3:11:58 PM
It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve....do your thing, but don't expect the rest of us bow down to you.....Maybe a gay should marry a dike and then you will be able to still have your gayness and get social security
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Posted By: Oneof Gods Creations @ 09/20/2008 4:40:49 PM
And people think someone that speaks so moronically is "normal" Then I'm glad I'm not...I at least use my brain for more than idiotic comments that do nothing but insult
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/20/2008 3:19:32 PM
It is not Adam and Eve either. That is just a man-made story not reality. And no one is asking anyone to bow down to them except the bible thumpers who want intelligent humans to bow down to their made up god and their bible garbage.
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Posted By: annamaria63 @ 09/20/2008 3:30:11 PM
In response to the comments that:ghostmasseur @ 09/20/2008 3:19:32 PM
God is not some story made up. The Bible is not made up. Marrage between 1 man and 1 woman is not a made up story. It would be hard for those who can not accept there wrong to admit this. I understand that.
Bible thumpers are only those who live by the Truth why are you Gays and Lesbians threatened by that?
You know why It's True and your scared to death to loose your make believe self.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/20/2008 4:35:10 PM
annamaria63 @ 09/20/2008 3:30:11 PM
"God is not some story made up. The Bible is not made up."
That is your opinion, it is not fact. Both are man-made concepts. They are relvant only to those who choose to believe in them.
" Marrage between 1 man and 1 woman is not a made up story."
Marriage is a human creation. It does not have to between 1 man and 1 woman. And what it may be in the man-made book of the bible is of no consequence to US law.
"It would be hard for those who can not accept there wrong to admit this."
You are correct. You cannot accept that you are wrong.
"Bible thumpers are only those who live by the Truth why are you Gays and Lesbians threatened by that?"
I cannot speak for gays and lesbians since I am heterosexual, but there is no truth in the bible. They are not threatened by the bible, they are threatened by the mindless fools who try to use it to rape the US Constitution. The bible has no relevance to US Law and what it says must not be used to deny equal rights.
"You know why It's True and your scared to death to loose your make believe self."
I know it is false. There is no god outside of the imagination of its followers and the bible is jsut a man-made text.
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Posted By: KM521 @ 09/20/2008 4:38:36 PM
DUH indeed. The statements in the constitution refer to freedom of religion - meaning freedom to choose your religion and not have one mandated by the goverment. They also refer to the to freedom to choose no religion; freedom OF religion and freedom FROM religion. Also it speaks of there being no religious prerequisite for elected office. Clearly many people in this country missed that part - maybe THEY should get educated and read it again
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Posted By: usnretired @ 09/20/2008 4:35:54 PM
Worried now!!Then change to being straight and save your souls after a lifetime of sinful unions
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Posted By: mvedra @ 09/18/2008 2:25:05 PM
The consequences of lifestyle choices are well documented in Revelation. Not that I am qulaified to judge but even in the spiritual domian Christ refers to his bride as the church and not that he was referring to physical sexulaity but regarding the male-female requirements..Husbands (men) love your wives (not plural for polygamists or he/shes) even as Christ loved the church (not a structure) but then people who want to take a liberal stance will soon realize that there are no do overs but real potential for spiritual death.
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Posted By: mcsaripkin @ 09/18/2008 2:32:53 PM
That same logic would suggest that since the church is his bride, and bride is a female term, then you can only go to Heaven if you are female. Great logic.
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:30:27 PM
Such hate in you...
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Posted By: that_girl @ 09/20/2008 4:07:32 PM
well, there's one thing which everyone so far has seemingly forgotten...in america, there is something called seperation of church and state. this means that it doesn't matter whether or not you find it wrong or immoral due to your religious beliefs, so you can't use religion as a valid excuse for not giving people the same rights as you. find another argument.
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Posted By: krich1954 @ 09/20/2008 4:27:40 PM
Get educated before you try and sound like you are. Seperation of church and state is something you OBVIOUSLY have not been educated on. The issue was written into the constitution to insure that the government didn't FORCE us to pick a particular religious denomination that was the partucular religion of the government, as had been the case in England before we declared our intent to revolt against them and create a different type of government. This country you and I live in WAS founded on VERY Christian values and beliefs, if you again would only take the time to educate yourself on the origins of the US. The very first school whereby you could recieve that education? Sunday School. Duh.
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Posted By: ergobot @ 09/18/2008 2:23:13 PM
well, if they are not different or special, then why can't they have the same rights and privileges as straight people?
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:27:13 PM
Rights, what rights do they not have? Do you have to ride in the back of the bus? Drink from a different water fountain? Can't get a loan because you are gay? Do you not have free speach? Aren't you writing here now? What, you can't kiss your partner in public?
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Posted By: royalcat68 @ 09/20/2008 3:42:08 PM
It's a shame to have so many narrow minded so called Christian people displaying such hatred toward a segment of society that does nothing to them. These people paid taxes, and they deserve what everyone else gets with their taxes, the right to say who gets their social security. In fact I think everyone should have the right to say where their social security goes. My ex will get mine, because we were married more than 20 years.
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Posted By: IrishLib @ 09/20/2008 4:26:42 PM
If your ex works she will get her own Social Security and a very, very small portion of yours if any at all if she made more money than you during her working years.
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Posted By: annamaria63 @ 09/20/2008 4:08:04 PM
Wrong. Here we go thats what you all try to do twist things around to make yourself seem right. The article was The elderly gays and special needs etc...healthcare.
So I said it's not about them getting anything special they like everyone else get health treatment. Don't try to minimize the article by saying its about the elderly only...NOPE THERE MAKING AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE GAY. I"M NOT, THEY ARE.
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Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/20/2008 4:24:52 PM
No actually the articel doe snto say they need special care. It says that due to the problems that they ecncounter because of teh idiocy of some healthcare providers and nursing facilities, they are treated as fourth class citizens and are subject to discrimination. The article is pointing out that due to the still existing biases that they encounter they do not always seek out the help they deserve.
They have to jump through hoops that straight people do not. That is not asking for special treatmenn. It is asking for equal treatment.
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Posted By: raincitydude @ 09/20/2008 4:22:56 PM
Although there are those who use the Bible as justification to condemn homosexuality in a hateful manner (which is wrong) the Word of God clearly tells us that homosexuality is a sin. Read the book of Romans. God's will for our lives is revealed to those who truly seek after Him in spirit and in truth. The reality of God existence is in all of us but many choose to supress it and therefore they are given over to a depraved mind. This is a hard thing to accept for gays or heterosexuals who are sexually promiscuous. The only hope that any person has is to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior.
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Posted By: The1NChicago @ 09/18/2008 2:24:57 PM
Wow! Can we have more ignorant, narrow-minded people respond? I wouldn't think idiots would read Newsweek.
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:20:58 PM
Narrow minded to think that others with thier own opinions are narrow minded. Why do you expect everyone to view the world the way you do? You are very narrow minded in thinking so.
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Posted By: no-american @ 09/18/2008 2:26:50 PM
That's mainly who reads the RAG!
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Posted By: ixmarcusd @ 09/18/2008 2:34:03 PM
true as that is, this issue is somewhat troublesome for a free society, I dont have a real opion, but I am leaning towards, who cares. We do need to allow for human rights even if it is not my personal belief.
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Posted By: KM521 @ 09/20/2008 4:20:26 PM
well if you believe that gays deserve the same rights as everyone else - marriage, spousal benefits, etc., then, viola, we are on the same page.
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Posted By: billyblue @ 09/18/2008 2:23:15 PM
I just want to clarify. Surgar is spelled S-U-G-A-R not S-U-G-A-H. Apparently some people are as ignorant to correct spelling as they are to everything else.
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:18:31 PM
You know, I'm getting tired of people calling someone else ignorant just because they have a different opinion. If this holds then you are ignorant to those that don't beleive in gay life style.
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Posted By: IrishLib @ 09/20/2008 4:18:04 PM
Mr. McCoy's church will certainly always be there for him. I would encourage him to start developing friendships within his church community and look for assisted living programs now. My mother is 77 and she does not have many friends she depends on us for almost everything. I give her the same advice since my older brother passed in 2001 and no one knows when they will walk into eternity. Build or develop a support system.
As for Mr. Fetterman and Rivera why don't they have a will drawn up so that should Mr.Rivera pass first everything would go to Mr. Fetterman. Regarding the Social Security: Married couples do not automatically get the spouses SS unless they are retirement age and then they would get their own.. My dad passed before my mom and she is only receiving about $35 more per month than she was getting before because they took her ss and my dad's ss and made up the difference of his. So when my dad past she lost almost $1,000 per month income (which was my dad's ss) and has had financial problems since. There are legal ways to assure each others security without depending on ss in case of death.
Although I feel for these people I believe that like religion there should be a separation of sex and state. I also believe the Bible is the Word of God and that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I also believe that it is wrong to commit adultery, commit fornication, lie, kill and to judge others. But I believe in God's love and that we are to love everyone and that it is not our job to judge others. Only love and provide for anyone in need regardless of our belief regarding their life style.
My best to these people and know should I be in a position to help or be there for anyone I will.
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Posted By: Grizhelda @ 09/20/2008 4:09:07 PM
Surely in today's day & age. with our advanced knowlege of different sexual lifestyles. there are still some with blindfolds on. How utterly ignorant!!!!
The same people who fought in the wars are now being treated as Outcasts, Again I say "How utterly Ignorant!!
These citizens were allowed to pay taxes all of their working years like anyone else, but have a major fight on their hands when they try to collect the benefits they paid so long for. How utterly ignorant.!!!!!!
How many wonderful people, who happen to be gay, have passed away without proper medical attention because of their sexual preference?
Come on Now, you know how I am going to end this. HOW UTTERLY IGNORANT!!!!!!!!
gogwen05@hotmail.com
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Posted By: benchthis @ 09/18/2008 2:16:57 PM
Opn8ted1..... Sorry God did not make you that way...... it was your choice!!
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Posted By: mcsaripkin @ 09/18/2008 2:20:14 PM
benchthis, what is your basis for that comment. Are you saying that God didn't make you straight? Why is it good for one, and not good for the other? I believe that God made me gay, just like he made me straight. Most gay people go through a period in their lives when they would give anything to be "normal" in the eyes of the ignorant population that things that they are deviants. But you can't change the way God made you. You can fake it, but not change. God me like he chose to make me, just like He made you.
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Posted By: Someone925 @ 09/20/2008 4:08:30 PM
Why is it that the gay community thinks that eveyone else is ignorant?
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Posted By: reader101 @ 09/20/2008 3:17:14 PM
The previous comments obviously underscore the seriousness of this issue. This article was not about gays wanting to further their agenda- it was about fear. They are AFRAID of the same people who just so easily missed the point of this article and instead react in a bigoted way to the label 'gay'. When elderly gays need help when they are at their most vulnerable, they do not have the basic rights that most other people have. EOS
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Posted By: annamaria63 @ 09/20/2008 3:24:21 PM
Listen just because you say your gay or lesbian does not give you any special rights. You want extra rights for being wrong? The elderly if there gay or hetro will and do recieve care. That's not the issue is it?
The bottom line is the people who call themselves gay or lesbian want the rest of us to say there right when there not.
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Posted By: reader101 @ 09/20/2008 3:38:58 PM
Read the article again. There is not one reference to gays wanting special rights or a request for anyone to say they are wrong or right. They just want the basic rights that are provided to everyone else. I'll bet you'd say the same thing if you were told you couldn't attend your church or collect your common-law husband's social security when you are elderly.
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Posted By: annamaria63 @ 09/20/2008 3:44:34 PM
Listen to yourself how silly you sound. You know the elderly receive care. Again you just want others to say because your gay or lesbian you have special rights. Wrong. Read my answer carefully.
Being gay or lesbian is wrong and that's the bottom line. In the end RIGHT will win. That is GOD.
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Posted By: reader101 @ 09/20/2008 4:02:00 PM
The God I know does not worry about who I sleep with. And by the way you are assuming a whole lot here. My daughter works in the industry and I KNOW that the elderly do NOT always receive the care they need - gay or not. You would help your argument quite a bit if you left the 'special rights' and 'wrong or right' point out of it. Basic rights are basic rights. People do not deserve to be persecuted because you are uncomfortable.
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Posted By: straightandproud @ 09/20/2008 3:27:20 PM
100% correct!!! McCain - Palin 2008
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