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  • Posted By: robynmaxine @ 09/18/2008 4:25:31 PM

    Some of the comments I am reading here just make my heart cry. How can you people be so heartless and bigotted? Judgemental and homophobic. (Except for Dovbush - well said) I don't understand how being gay is still an issue in this country. I have mostly traditional values when it comes to most things but to deny someone the right as a human being and an American citizen to pursue happiness. Is wrong, cruel and unconstitutional. So what if it makes you vomit! I'm sure you do things that would make someone else vomit, so should you be denied rights for that reason. Look to yourself before you judge others. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.
    Live and let live. Every single person on this earth deserves the same rights. Unfortunately, you horrible judgmental, arrogant and ignorant excuses for human beings have more rights that a perfectly decent human being who is simply different. Shame on you.

    • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/18/2008 4:53:35 PM

      Don't start quoting the Bible in here. I got two words to throw back at you if you do though. Sodom and Gamorrah. What did God do with that town?

      • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/19/2008 7:07:18 PM

        ""Sodom and Gamorrah. What did God do with that town?"

        Actually since the story of Sodom and Gemorrah is in the TaNaKH (what Christians call the OT) and since the TaNaKH is first and foremsot a Jewish relgious text, then the Jewish interpretation of that text MUSt the one that takes porecedence. According to Jewish religious tradition Sodom and Gemorrah was NOt destroyed because of h9omosexuality. It was destroyed because the citizens of those cities engaged in baseless ahtred and bigotry. The raping of outsider men (it was NOT homosexuality since they also raped outsider women and children) was only one part of that baseless hatred and bigotry. In fact if you asked Jewish scholars today many would say that the anti-gay retortic from some supposedly religious quarters is the same sort of thing that the citizens of Sodom and Gemorrah engaged in. Therefore the Christain Conservatives are the modern day citizens of Sodom and Gemorrah.

  • Posted By: Dovbush @ 09/18/2008 4:03:54 PM

    casej- I agree with you on your post--but only now until it is too late. You don't get to confess before the throne of Jesus after you are dead. One more thing. The seperation of church and religion meant in the constitution is so that our government does not recognize one form of Christian religion or another. In England, the government forced the Anglican church on people and along with other countries, there were ROman Catholics, Baptists,Quakers, Presbyterian,etc. People today have totally misconstured what the founing fathers went. Did you know the word God is mentioned in the constitution? So much for separation.

    • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/19/2008 4:59:30 PM

      Actually the word God is not mentioned in the Constitution. And in the Declaration of Independence the words are Nature and NATURE'S God, thereby putting nature FIRST and leaving the definition of god unclarified.

      The founding fathers specifically wanted there to be no religious input or influence on our government.

  • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/18/2008 4:15:56 PM

    I also do not want my kids to be forced to say it's okay to be gay when it is a right to be heterosexual also! I don't want my kids to even have access to looking or reading about male to male sexual intercourse or woman to woman intercourse.

    • Posted By: NJ to Miami @ 09/18/2008 4:24:59 PM

      Dear DB Hot Wheel
      For 50 years anyone can open a Hustler magazine and see female to female sex. What does legalizing gay marriage have to do with your children watching gay people have sex?

      • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/18/2008 4:30:21 PM

        It's a part of the gay agenda folks. Read between the lines before its too late. No to gay acceptance in schools.

        • Posted By: CHRIST_IS_FOR_ALL @ 09/18/2008 4:48:55 PM

          RIGHT TEACH HATE...THAT'S A GREAT LESSON! NOT

          • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/18/2008 4:55:39 PM

            Teach nothing about being gay. Keep it out of Schools the same way you choose to keep religion out of schools!

            • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/19/2008 4:48:47 PM

              homoseuality is natural. It is not a choice issue and as a legitmate part of biology is a valid tpic of study. Not making judgement calls on it (which are not valid anyway. Religion is PURELY a choice issue and is a man-made construct. There is nothing wrong with teaching comparative religion classes, or classses that discuss the varyig religions of varying regions and thier effects on the political streuctures of those countries. THAT is legal. But teaching only one religion or pushing one religion's viewpoint is a clear and absolute violation of the Establihment clause..

    • Posted By: sjpersonal @ 09/18/2008 6:20:42 PM

      Wow,

      then it is going to be very very crowded in your home since you will never allow your children to leave your house. What about television, oh right they cannot watch it. Interesting!

    • Posted By: markoff_chaney @ 09/18/2008 4:21:51 PM

      There's a difference between "forced" and "having access". If your son is looking at porn, the cat's already out of the bag and a quick search of internet porn sites will reveal permuatations from the fairly mild (man on man, woman on woman, man on woman) to the shockingly offensive (animals/feces/asphyxiation/etc). If he's gay, he probably already realizes that on some level (most do before the age where they're actually having sex). There are people who get beat to death because of a culture that thinks "it's not OK to be gay, and I don't want anyone saying so" Live and let live, already.

  • Posted By: navel @ 09/19/2008 7:23:43 AM

    You're level of ignorance is ASTOUNDING. You people are so dam stupid it's not even funny. Why dont you crawl back into your cave and go crap in a hole. Really that's about your mentality, especially macho man who calls himself joe 6 pack - WOW you must really "BE DA MAN", I'm so impressed. What happened to you as a child, poor thing.

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 7:47:24 AM

      Tell me, what is ignorant. You've got a journalist writing and article about the plight of a small but growing segment of the population who are experiencing certain difficulties because of the choices they made earlier in life. It is ignorant to let these people continue thier lifestyle thinking they dont have a choice. Will somebody tell them the truth please......

      • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 11:06:09 AM

        The only choice here is to suppress who they really are and either live a life of misery and lonliness or delude themselves into thinking they're straight, perhaps marry and have kids THEN finally fall apart later, hurting other people in the process. Larry Craig and Ted Haggert made those choices. It worked out great for them, didn't it. Sexual orientation is hard wired.

        • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 11:26:54 AM

          isn't the choice in weather or not to supress who they want to be, not who they are. when you start out by ignoring certain truths and then ignoring the results, the only option you have left is to continue in denial and try to force others to agree with you. isnt that human nature, to want others to agree with you?

          of course i have compasion for someone injured in a car wreck, but what if the victim were stone cold drunk.....sorry, no compasion for him, just for his family.

          • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 12:22:50 PM

            Well, you keep believing it's a choice, although the overwhelming opinion of medical and psychiatric experts worldwide is that it's not. I'm sure you put your "faith" in crank wacko organizations like Focus on the Family or Family Research Council since it justifies your insensitive perspective and gives you a free ticket to keep espousing this reprehensible rhetoric in the guise of "logic".

            • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 12:37:01 PM

              no, i dont subscribe to focus on the family or family research whatever, just plain sense. It does not matter what a psychologist says, if they are trying to explain a reason to deny the natural purpose of your body parts, then they are wrong. Does it really matter what the overwhelming opionion of a trained professional is if they are all still denying cetain irrefutable evidence. Now with regard to lawyers, thats different, they are paid to make something disappear, and to ignore facts in many cases.

              • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 12:51:42 PM

                See my response above in regard to the "natural intention" of body parts. Either you have blinkers on when it comes to human sexuality (straight OR gay) or it's a hypocritical viewpoint. Everything gay people do sexually some percentage of straights do as well. Obviously the end result of unprotected penile / vaginal sex - procreation - is the exception. If that was the ONLY sex act straights performed and for that reason you'd have a point

                • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 1:30:43 PM

                  Actually, you help make my point clear. What are the results of a husband and wife engaging in so called "unnatural " sexual relations with each other? Other than problems they may have in thier own relationship or performance related issues, the results end in the bedroom. However, when two men engage in the same behavior, or for arguments sake, a man and a woman that are not married and committed to one another join thier bodies, where does that lead.............. Point is, that fruit reaches far outside the bedroom. It does as another commentator put it affect all of our lives and the community. Why then is it my responsibility to recognize these people who choose to continue in such a fasion.

                  • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 1:58:29 PM

                    MONOGAMOUS DISEASE FREE relationships are EXACTLY the same, gay or straight. Why do you keep harping on this erroneous point? What do you think happens in a monogamous gay relationship that doesn't in a straight one? If a gay couple and a straight couple, both disease free at the start of their interactions have only sexual relations with each other therewill be no difference, period.

      • Posted By: navel @ 09/19/2008 1:00:14 PM

        You're clearly the ignorance here, no-one else....Go back to church a pray for yourself, we all know you need it.

  • Posted By: glantern954 @ 09/19/2008 7:21:06 AM

    We should be respectful to them for the same reasons we are to anyone else. Depravity? Like the rest of the world is so innocent. Why should only gay people be disrespected when this world is full of people who can't be monogamous to their spouses, are swingers, marry for money, or can't make their marriage work. I don't know anything about joe6pack's morailty, nor do I want to, but I bet you he isn't any better than any other average human male.

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 8:11:09 AM

      to be respectful here would be to allow them to continue thier lifestyle as they choose, without my interferance. That's what respecting thier choices would mean. I'm good with that. I can respect them for being an adult and making choices. I can even respect them for defending thier position. I'm not telling anyone they need to live my way, or follow what i think is the only way. But I am saying that with that respect, rightfully due, not only from me, but from society as a whole, comes responsibility. Dont come crying to papa when your respectful decision turned out to be not so good. When they act in that manner, they loose respect because they act irresponsibly.

      • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 11:22:15 AM

        Sexual orientation is not a choice. And that is where your point of view completely falls apart. Your perspective is, simply put, "You've made your bed, now lay in it". Do you apply that to every section of society equally? If you do I guess I "respect" your selfish and callus perspective then. But I certainly wouldn't want you as a neighbor, friend or member of my community.

        • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 1:40:44 PM

          You are correct, sexual orientation is not a choice......it is determined by your body parts......Are you saying it's normal for a man to say he's a woman or a woman a man?.......To some respects yes, if you've made your bed, then lie in it, but not wholly. Sure I care. I dont like to see people suffer. I'll reach out to anyone, even after repeated mistakes........Isn't that the "golden rule", treat others as you would want to be treated...? I would want others to treat me with truth however, not just an opionion that is "socially acceptable".

      • Posted By: navel @ 09/19/2008 1:03:04 PM

        Dude - you are such an ignoramous, you're actaully funny. You've truly kept me entertained today, instead of reading the comics I'll just look for your coments, that is once you get out of church or put down your bible.

  • Posted By: gianoulis @ 09/19/2008 12:28:56 PM

    To those who condemn lgbt lifestyles because they say queerness is a choice, I respond that I agree. In my own experience, I consider my lesbianism very much a choice, in much the same way that religion is a choice. If Christians were experiencing persecution in this country, would you feel that, since Christianity is a choice, the reasonable thing to do would be to change to a more socially acceptable religion? Or would you feel that people should work to change societal attitudes s?

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 1:23:03 PM

      Good question, If i were a Christian, and yes that would be a choice, nd if I were experiencing persecution based on that choice, then I would have another choice to make.......If the so called persecution was too much for me to bear, then I could choose a position that might be more acceptable to the masses or I could choose to leave the environment that brought the persecution in the first place, or I could stand my ground knowing that the persecution would continue.

      It would be a mistake for me then to expect everybody else to ebrace my choice to continue in the persecuting environment and put up with my complaining. It would also be a mistake for me to expect that I could win the world to my point of view and thus stop the persecution. It wouldn't be wrong to try, just wrong to expect the persecution to stop. Further, it would also be wrong for me to ask the general public to make a special place for me because I was tired of my plight. If my child decides not to complete his homework, he will most likely get a bad grade in the class. If he says he doesn't believe in homework, should I ask the teachers to make allowances for him? Should I tell them that they are not treating him fairly?

  • Posted By: sharkman @ 09/18/2008 11:09:46 PM

    nasty sick fags.

    • Posted By: navel @ 09/19/2008 1:05:11 PM

      You are a very sick and twisted psycho. They say that most people that condem this are those who can't come out of the closet...So come on now, it's OK, open the door and come on out you fool of life idiot!

    • Posted By: europeandoll @ 09/19/2008 1:57:58 AM

      The only sick people are, people like YOU, who call another being by the name you posted. Shame on you !!! It is 2008, what happened to people being more accepting and respectful toward others???

      • Posted By: joe 6pack @ 09/19/2008 6:29:09 AM

        Why should anyone be respectful of people who choose depravity? They don't deserve it.

        • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/19/2008 10:37:17 AM

          joe6pack,

          You are correct. We should not be respectful of those who choose the depravity of conservative christianity and bigotry (like yourself).

          • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 10:59:30 AM

            The people who don't deserve respect are ignorant and intolerant individuals like yourself. You represent all that's hateful and ugly in American society. Please, get educated on the subject you post on. You're an embarrassment.

            • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/19/2008 12:33:36 PM

              Who are you commenting to?

              • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 12:54:57 PM

                Sorry, I should have made that clear - my comment was directed to joe6pack. I completely agree with you.

  • Posted By: chrmbrow@yahoo.com @ 09/18/2008 2:03:02 PM

    I care. I hope as our government continues progressing with equal rights for gays and lesbians as well as society acclimates to a more inclusive and less prejudiced view of gays and lesbians that America will address the needs of these seniors just as much as all others. Its time for America to embrace all Americans and put bigots, racists and hatemongers on the sidelines.

    • Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/19/2008 12:58:57 PM

      Enter Your Comment
      The folks at www.opencirclecommunities.com are taking it upon themselves to do something about this issue.

    • Posted By: lydtwk38 @ 09/18/2008 2:44:37 PM

      Unfortunately, those bigots, racists and hatemongers are part of EVERY group, not just straights. As a straight 40ish single female with no kids or much other family, I worry about the same issues. There will be no one to care for me or even give POA to. I'll be at the mercy of the state (shudder at the thought). I can symathize with the GL community in this respect. As mentioned in the article, there are legal ways to pass on assets and property and to make sure that your partner can be your decision-maker and caregiver. I will not remarry but if I find someone to share my life with between now and old age/certain death, I hope to be smart enough and timely enough to take those steps. Yeah, he will probably have to pay some taxes and jump through hoops, but they will be taken care of. It takes more planning and thought, and possibly more money to set up, but it is worth it to have the peice of mind. While gays and lesbians have some unique issues, they are not alone. Thier fight for equality affects me as well. The laws are slanted towards married couples and their children. Laws are slow to change because society is slow to change.

  • Posted By: Proud & Positive @ 09/18/2008 3:46:33 PM

    Hooray for SAGE! I'm a 61 year old Gay man, HIV+ since 1988. And here I thought I was all alone in this battle for dignity at the end of the tunnel. Keep up the great work!

    • Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/19/2008 12:42:57 PM

      Enter Your Comment
      www.opencirclecommunities.com is with you!

  • Posted By: bhawkins36 @ 09/18/2008 3:52:23 PM

    I pray for a day that there are no more boundaries for a human being to gain access to anything he/she may need in this country. I pray that the consciousness of our country leans towards more compassion and empathy for all of our seniors be they gay or straight. I pray that the gay community finds a way to support our aging population so that none of them have to feel alone or helpless. I pray that ignorant people wake up and realize we're all human and all interconnected.

    • Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/19/2008 12:40:11 PM

      www.opencirclecommunities.com is providing a new, first-of-its-kind, alternative to the LGBT population by addressing this issue head on.

    • Posted By: CHRIST_IS_FOR_ALL @ 09/18/2008 4:57:02 PM

      AMEN

  • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 7:52:35 AM

    Posted By: markoff_chaney @ 09/18/2008 11:00:45 PM
    Comment: Wrong. Plenty of people walk around not knowing they have it. Plenty of people have spouses or SOs who cheat on them. Children born to mothers with HIV don't really have a say either. Condoms break.

    Again, in each case mentioned hear by markoff, there was a choice involved at the very begining. Even the child born to the mother with HIV. Had the mother been straight instead of crooked, there would have been no HIV. Why do you insist on eating the poison and then complain of a belly-ache.

    • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 11:11:00 AM

      Good grief, how ridiculous. Of course everything's a "choice", what's your POINT? If you go for a drive later today, get into an accident and are maimed for life is everyone supposed to shrug and say "Well, it was your choice to get into that car"? What a compassionate reality you live in.

      • Posted By: uno08 @ 09/19/2008 11:25:39 AM

        truth
        please be careful driving home today. And IF you have a wife and child may they too be safe on their way home. I hope nothing happens to them because I dont think you would be around for support.

        • Posted By: uno08 @ 09/19/2008 12:28:06 PM

          i may have misinturpeted your post if i have then please accept my appologies

    • Posted By: markoff_chaney @ 09/19/2008 11:30:20 AM

      I find your close-minded hate to be way more poisonous than anything else on this page. Only you think the poison is a square meal and keep eating more of it every day.

    • Posted By: markoff_chaney @ 09/19/2008 11:29:08 AM

      You are shallow, love to blame others for misfortune, and lacking in compassion. I will waste no more breath on you.

  • Posted By: seti2008 @ 09/18/2008 9:49:25 PM

    getthepoint, you're missing the point. The fact that gay relationships are frown on and, therefore, are risky, encourages non-monogamous and even anonymous relationships. Closeted people engage in risky people. Articles about gays tend to leave lesbians out. Only if you are lesbian, or read reports, would you know that lesbian sex is the safest as far as HIV, Clamydia(sic)... omen also live longer than men. Lesbians are also less likely to be alone during old age than any other group.

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/18/2008 10:33:30 PM

      it's not that they are risky because they are frowned upon, they are frowned upon because they are risky..........even to the risking of life.

      • Posted By: thundering @ 09/19/2008 5:44:14 AM

        That statement is disputable.
        My take is that homosexuality is/was originally frowned upon because it is against God, not because of the high risk of AIDs (or any other "symptoms" of the lifestyle). This frowning upon leads to secrecy by the people partaking in said lifestyle. Secrecy includes anonymity, etc. A.K.A the risky behaviors being cited in this discussion.

        • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 10:53:38 AM

          Please, we don't live in a theocracy (yet) and you're "it's against God" is simply an excuse for ignorant intolerance. You can believe whatever you like, but it doesn't give you or society permission to suppress or discriminate against other people in that same society because they don't conform to your religious beliefs. Thankfully, it's slowly changing here state by state that discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal.

      • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/18/2008 11:17:19 PM

        You don't even address seti2008's point on lesbians . . . . By your logic they should be the ideal model because they have the least risky behavior.

        • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 7:10:48 AM

          i didn't need to address the lesbian issue, they will have some of the same problems listed in the article because they cannot have kids that might care for them in old age........without a third party that is.....

          • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 10:48:51 AM

            It's interesting how you pull in the HIV / AIDS issue when it suits you, then go back to the article's actual subject. "It's frowned upon because it's risky" - but when the obviously fallacy of your point is brought out it's back to "I don't have to address that because it's not what the article's about". Sorry, you lose credibility and your observations come from bigotry and homophobia with no merit.

  • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/18/2008 9:23:39 PM

    exactly, seti2008.

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/18/2008 9:51:08 PM

      Even a magnet knows that positive is attracted to negative. Try wiring your car battery with both leads connected to the positive terminal.........ever wonder why an extension cord has one male end and one female end? GET THE POINT.....

      • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/18/2008 11:05:44 PM

        I get YOUR point, which comes from homophobia and not logic.

        • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/18/2008 11:18:56 PM

          And I guess the next time I want to learn about biology I'll consult Popular Mechanics or my car instruction book . . . .

          • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 7:13:04 AM

            that's exactly my point.................go to the proper set of instructions for the task. if gays would just do that instead of searching for popular opinions, they wouldnt have this problem.......

            • Posted By: truth&justiceforall @ 09/19/2008 10:43:34 AM

              Homosexuality exists in nature, pal. It's been documented in numerous species, go I guess whoever "designed" this world didn't read the same instruction book you did.

  • Posted By: christlike777 @ 09/18/2008 2:19:31 PM

    to mcsaripkin. Why dont you read the bible before you start quoting it. Sounds to me your reading a book that came out of a liberals @#$, or simply made up. The bible clearly says homosexuality is a sin, and i can prove every verse. Sounds to me you go to an episcapal church or one who has pedophiles and rampant gays.

    • Posted By: mcsaripkin @ 09/18/2008 2:35:27 PM

      Hmm, now we attack different denominations of churches. So how many people are going to get into Heaven.....1....you. You will have to give me chapter and verse because I read the Greek and Hebrew versions and neither of them say that. But, what can I expect from a heretic that calls themselves christlike777 and cant even find me a Bible verse.

      • Posted By: SonoftheSon @ 09/18/2008 4:23:02 PM

        mcsaripkin:

        BTW, I read the Greek and the Hebrew also! I'm interested in your comment about God creating you perfectly? How did that happen when He has made clear that the entire world is subject to sin and that everything and everyone is broken by sin until Christ's redemption comes? Also, regarding your comment about the Bible saying very little about homosexuality, what in the world was Paul referring to in Romans 1?

        • Posted By: ghostmasseur @ 09/19/2008 10:38:42 AM

          Nothing in the Hebrew (the TaNaKH) says anything about Jesus. Anyone who says it is there is lying.

    • Posted By: FudgieLover @ 09/18/2008 2:57:26 PM

      First item - not everyone believes in the Bible, or your God and there are thousands of interpretations, hundreds of religions, and denominations. Who deems one is superior over another for their beliefs, just because you tend to not support those beliefs?

      Secondly, please do not confuse homosexuality with pedophilia. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation and pedophia is a mental illness, and a crime. Please get your facts straight..in fact, the majority of pedophiles are males, 35-50, white and straight... hmmm...where do you fit into this classification? The point is, I can't assume you are a pedophile just because you may fit into this group and you can't assume just because someone has a different sexual orientation they are pedaphiles. Research, yes, the kind real scientists do, do not confirm your writings here. Maybe biblical verses, in your opinion and interpretation do, and condemns homosexuality as a sin and you may personally be against it, but in empirically based science, the facts you mention are not in evidence. The Bible is not empirically based science and is a document one accepts by faith. And one definition of faith is a "belief that is not based on proof".

      And, for another thing...I personally don't think God makes mistakes, and I guess that's a great thing for you, since you seem to be not a very sharp tool in God's shed, but we all have to learn to live with the way we are. I'll try to accept your ignorance and pray for your enlightenment and your ability to live a more Christ-like existence in the future and you can learn to live and let live and try to understand things a bit above your intellect. Did I need to type slower for you on this to keep up?

  • Posted By: Dovbush @ 09/18/2008 4:19:02 PM

    PresidentSupporter- It is naturally repulsive to humans because homosexuality is simply an unnatural act. SOme people say homosexuality is love shared and therefore God approves it. Ok. So I love my dog also. Does that mean God approves if I do you know what? Exactly, where does it end?

    • Posted By: science-comments @ 09/18/2008 4:33:09 PM

      What do you exactly mean by the phrase "unnatural act?" If you mean it does not have any counterpart in the natural/ biological world, then I suggest you better read more. If unnatural simply means sin, then there is no way I could debate that. Because in that framework, everything that deviates from whatever was stated, is a sin. One more thing do we always need someone else's approval (whether it's another human being, a spirit or God) in order to truly love someone or something?

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/19/2008 10:33:53 AM

        Is it natural that a penis should be inserted into a persons anus? Is this graphic enough for you? What purpose is derived to put the potential for life (sperm) inside a waste disposal (anus)? The vagina is made appropriate for this encounter and is productive in utlizing the sperm for it's intended purpose... reproduction...... What is natural about two women lusting after one another with the same biological make up.... (self-love).... So tell me what is so natural about these functions..... don't give me that excuse of love..... Love can be only define by the one who is Love and that is God!..... God calls this an abomination and isn't the purpose of why he created man and woman.... quit trying to pass off to God this is love when it is clearly perversion....

  • Posted By: joe 6pack @ 09/19/2008 6:27:29 AM

    Gays choose this depravity. Live with the consiquences. In other words, they made their bed now they get to lay in it.

    • Posted By: thundering @ 09/19/2008 7:29:59 AM

      Would you say the same thing to war veterans with the unique psychological and physical challenges they face?
      "Oh, they knew there was a risk of negative consequences in joining the army, so why should we try to improve their livelihood?"
      Before you go on about how "they did it for a noble cause; their country," realize that people choose to live as an open homosexual in the name of love. And if you don't believe love is an honest or sincere enough cause, then think of the people who live openly in order to allow future generations to do the same without being subject to the same consequences; as many of these men and women in the article have done.

      • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 7:40:08 AM

        i would say exactly the same thing to them. they knew the risks before they chose. the differeence is they mase the choice for a "noble cause", in defense of a nation where both gays and straights reside. thier cause i9s deserving of recognition. But now you're getting the point.....these gays "chose" to live thier life the way they did. It's a simple matter of cause and effect.

        • Posted By: thundering @ 09/19/2008 7:49:30 AM

          So you are against giving veterans the treatment they need, treatment that is available, mind you, just because they knowingly accepted that their current state was a possibility?
          I suppose we shouldn't give medical treatment policemen who get shot in duty, or firemen who become burned because they willingly subject themselves to certain risks.

          • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 8:04:29 AM

            no, i think we should give the veterans the treatment they need, you misunderstood. They did know the dangers before they chose to join the armed forces, but they made the choice in defense of all of us. The growing lonely gay population made thier choice out of self gratification,

            • Posted By: thundering @ 09/19/2008 8:40:58 AM

              Every choice made is a means to an end, which is inevitably self-gratification. You are subjectively choosing a certain self-gratifying action to essentially punish, leaving many others unaccounted for and loosely justifying them. I am not necessarily saying everyone is deserving of equal treatment, because whether people want to hear it or not: everyone is not equal. I am merely questioning your reasoning for calling this specific group out. Other than for the sake of it (which is perfectly acceptable as it is human nature), I have not heard or come up with a solid explanation.

              **On a side note I applaud your argument so far. You've got me flustered and arguing human nature, which is more than I can say about anyone else who I've heard speak on this and related subjects.

              • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 8:58:10 AM

                my point is, it's not really about gays rights, but about responsibility. The article is saying that they are lonely and forgotten. Well, there are fisherman out at see who are lonely and forgotten. How should that be my responsibility. oh i feel for them, i would that none should be lonely or sad or sick, but i wasnt there to make that choice

              • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/19/2008 8:51:09 AM

                I agree, the self gratification part seemed weak when written, however, there's a difference when that soldier is wounded defending our right to be free and make choices, and the guy who's lonely because he made those choices. We all have the right to make those choices, that's why the army is there. It's the results of the choices that were dealing with, and who is responsible for them. Lastly, I was not the one to single out this group, the journalist was.

  • Posted By: navel @ 09/19/2008 7:20:30 AM

    The level of ignorance out there is just astounding. You people should crawl back into your caves and go crap in a hole - you are first rate redneck idiots. (ie-joe 6 pack, WOW so attractive, such a he man, I'm impressed)

  • Posted By: thundering @ 09/19/2008 5:09:24 AM

    Just pointing out that older homosexuals may have a harder time than simply "going out and making friends." People saying that forget that virtually every person of that age was raised with homophobic principles. Those principles largely carry on into old age, as much as anything else they learned during childhood, and will most likely influence their ability to build a relationship with an openly homosexual person, let alone an honest, open, and positive one.

  • Posted By: BostonMan @ 09/18/2008 5:55:36 PM

    Can anyone give a good reason that I should respect an individual that practices a deviant lifestyle? Until the mid 90's the American Psychiatric Society recognize homosexuality as a mental disorder. Of course, they have since be enlightened (pressured). Homosexuality is a giving of one's self over to tendency, must as a rapist would. After all, he is simply expressing his sexuality. It is absurd to think any sexual behavior that violates the Word of God (oops, I am sorry we are not expected to believe in God, let alone His Word) will result in anything positive. While millions continue to suffer and thousands die each year from ungodly sexual practices the homosexual community demands their rights to continue to practice their sexual abnormalities i.e. anal/oral sex

    The Center for Disease Control reports another 60,000 men infected with AIDS last year. That same report reported that one in every four adults in New York City has a sexually transmitted disease. The result of ungodly, safe sex practices.

    While anyone can justify to themselves something they chose to do it doesn't make it right.... ever.
    I believe that homosexuality is the end result of several decisions to practice unhealthy sexual behavior regardless of where one started.

    I have spent the last 29 years helping the poor, the aged and yes, even homosexuals in need. I will continue to do so. However that does not mean I will ever accept their lifestyle as normal. It has ended in so many dying or carrying an infectious disease until their death it would absurd for me to believe otherwise.

    By the way, I have been faithfully married to my wife, we have raised five healthy children and been responsible adults to our community. Barring a tainted blood transfusion, there is an infinitesimal chance I will ever get AIDS because of my faithfulness to my children and my wife. Nor will I face my final years alone as I have several other family members, born of my mother and father, who are more than willing to care for me.

    Sincerely,


    Jack Driscoll

    • Posted By: science-comments @ 09/18/2008 6:48:40 PM

      I'm wondering, isn't heterosexuality, or any sexuality for that matter, giving of one's self over to tendency, must as a rapist would?

      • Posted By: markoff_chaney @ 09/19/2008 1:14:51 AM

        There's a simple difference there: you are the king of your own personal domain, your mind and your body, and always should be. Rape is among other things an invasion of someone else's domain and denying them that right to choose who and when and how to share their body and emotions with someone. Wanting to have sex? Normal. Wanting to not have sex by choice? Sure, you're king, it's your house, your rules. Want a woman, a man, one of each? Whatever floats your boat, as long as your partners give legit consent. Wanting to force sex on someone who doesn't want it or is incapable of making an informed choice for themselves (children, animals, people with certain mental problems)? Criminal, because it's an assertion of your power over someone else's domain, their body.

    • Posted By: science-comments @ 09/18/2008 6:54:43 PM

      Ok here we go again. Homosexuality is always tied to sex/ biological sex and behavior. How about if heterosexuality, or any sexuality for that matter, is also totally tied to sex. Sexuality becomes the all consuming, be all and end all of the person. In truth it is just one aspect of the so many aspects/ attributes that a person can have. The rest is similar in everyone no matter our orientation/ disorientation, color/ discoloration, age, and beliefs and whatnots.

  • Posted By: marifa aranda @ 09/18/2008 11:56:29 PM

    I agree with Markoff_chaney, the fact is anyone can be infected with aids not just from sex with an HIV individual but through medical instruments, too. e.g. I have a friend who went to the dentist to have her tooth removed. But unfortunately, one of the intruments has not been sterilized. She found out that she has HIV when she underwent a general check up. Luckily, it was just starting not a full blown AIDS, she took herbal medicine for a year and when she had her check up she was cleared from AIDS until now.

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