Wow. Talk about harsh views. Did I not look and I was in Saudia Arabia or Iran?
Wow. Talk about harsh views. Did I not look and I was in Saudia Arabia or Iran?
Nah, no chance I am afraid. Neither of them had decided to put 'In god we trust' on their money, of all things, to deter communist threat in the late 50s....
Wrong is Wrong
Homosexual/Lesbians is just as wrong as Marryin 2 or more time (that is partner comitted fornication is ok in a sense), its just as wrong as lyin, cheating, adultarating, fornication, but dont come to me and say that HOMOs are going to Heaven, they wont get in nomatter how ACTIVE they were in the church! Dont come to me and say it is up to GOD, dont judge me/them, bc you need to read the Word of GOD, Yes I have to love them but I got to tell them just as I tell liars, cheater, that GOD isnt please with our lifestyles, Repent while we have a chance.
Hey: With your attitude 'Homos' are hopefully much more likely to go do 'heaven' than you joker ;-)
Also I might add to those who are bringing their religious veiws into this. BACK OFF. I understand that these are your beliefs and you are free to have your own opinion, but have you ever stopped to think...there are many other religions out there, and not everyone follows your own.
Stop thinking that you're the center of the universe because you're not.
Your god is NOT my god
And even if my god condemed homosexuality I still wouldn't agree with god. You make your own choices, desicions, morals. Make religion fit your beliefs, don't fit to your religion.
Wow. Clearly one of the the most level-headed, and most educated comments on the subject so far. Thank you!
This is a great eye-opener. Even for those who refuse to see the facts. Gay men and women are three times more likely to live alone. The reason for this can be debated for years but the fact remains, they will live alone. Which means they will rely more on public assistance as they age.
Same-sex couples also have no legal recognition by law, which means they will not be able to receive inheritance or benefits when their partner dies. Picture grandma living on the streets after grandpa dies and you get the idea.
Married couples, regardless of orientation, are more likely to 1) Have the same and monogamous partner, which reduces the risk of any sexually transmitted disease. 2) Still have their partner later in life, which will help with day-to-day responsibilities. (Not you) and 3) Have kids, who will, most likely, take care of them in their ???golden??? years. (Also, instead of you)
But no, lets continue to deny same-sex couples the same rights as married couples. Because that???s what 49 states in America have chosen to do, deny rights offered to others. So, when your surrounded by 80 year-old men and women who can only go steady and have to choose between medicine and food, I'd like to you to remember today.
This is a great eye-opener. Even for those who refuse to see the facts. Gay men and women are three times more likely to live alone. The reason for this can be debated for years but the fact remains, they will live alone. Which means they will rely more on public assistance as they age.
Same-sex couples also have no legal recognition by law, which means they will not be able to receive inheritance or benefits when their partner dies. Picture grandma living on the streets after grandpa dies and you get the idea.
Married couples, regardless of orientation, are more likely to 1) Have the same and monogamous partner, which reduces the risk of any sexually transmitted disease. 2) Still have their partner later in life, which will help with day-to-day responsibilities. (Not you) and 3) Have kids, who will, most likely, take care of them in their ???golden??? years. (Also, instead of you)
But no, lets continue to deny same-sex couples the same rights as married couples. Because that???s what 48 states in America have chosen to do, deny rights offered to others. So, when your surrounded by 80 year-old men and women who can only go steady and have to choose between medicine and food, I'd like to you to remember today.
God DOES care. Yes, we are made in His image....male and female. One of the first commandments given to Adam was to take his FEMALE wife Eve, and multiply. It is also commanded that a man will leave his mother and father, take HIS female wife, and "Become one". Homosexuality is NOT how God created relationships to be. Jesus said He didn't come into the world to reject the laws of the Old Testament, but to support and fulfill them all. Quit bending and stretching the Word of God to fit your filthy and sinful lifestyle choice. God will forgive you and accept you into His loving, very straight family. As far as God destroying Sodom, you are only PARTIALLY correct, He did destroy because He couldn't find any righteous person, who wasn't committing sexual sin with others of the same sex. Go back and read the WHOLE story, and see what it is. God hates sexual immorality, and talks about not "a man not lying with another man". Take the whole Bible, not just the pieces and parts that seem to support your sinful lifestyle choice.
quit being a hypocrite. Use the whole verse. No where in the Bible does it say "a man not lying with another man" in and of itself. There is more of that verse. Read it. You accuse the people of not reading everything, but that is exactly what you are doing. Not only is that not all of the verse, you must understand the context in which it was written. You need to understand what the rabbis of the day were teaching when that was written. God is not ignorant, but unfortunately some of his creations are and they seem to think that God makes mistakes. This issue should not be a religious issue, but instead, a moral one. And it is morally wrong to be a bigot, but that doesn't seem to bother most of the Bible thumpers who are responding to an article about people they hate. Most hate them because they know themselves that they are hiding the fact that they have homosexual tendancies. You can argue all you want, but you are talking to the wall because those of us who know, know the truth.
In the KJV Bible in Leviticus 20:13 is states "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." It is what it is.
YIKES, Jesus would slap you upside the head for your NON-Christian comments!
If you examine the Word of God, you'll find that Jesus Christ never talked about homosexuality, but he did speak a lot about Faith, Love, and Hope. The greatest of these, he said, is Love... against such there is no law! As a fellow Christian, I find it unacceptable for you to distort scripture and use the Holy Word of God to support your obvious hatred of your gay brothers and sisters - who are just as part of the family of God as you are!
FaithLoveandHope... you need to let someone read the bible for you too. You also, have misinterpreted it.
krich1954, You need to let someone read the bible to you because you have totally misinterpreted it. Sick, sick, sick.
I don't think that they should have any rights at all in this great country. America was founded as a christian nation, all of our forefathers were christian descent, when they said freedom of religion they meant whether you wanted to be baptist, methodist, catholic, not islamic, hindu, buddhist, or anything else. The bible plainly says that marriage is sacred and only between one man and one woman. These so called christian gays and lesbian need to read Romans chapter 1 starting at verse 25-chapter 2. WHO CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE AND WORSHIPPED AND SERVED THE CREATURE MORE THAN THE CREATOR, WHO IS BLESSED FOR EVER. AMEN. FOR THIS CAUSE GOD GAVE THEM UP UNTO VILE AFFECTIONS: FOR EVEN THEIR WOMEN DID CHANGE THE NATURAL USE INTO THAT WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE: AND LIKEWISE ALSO THE MEN, LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN, BURNED IN THEIR LUST ONE TOWARD ANOTHER; MEN WITH MEN WORKING THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY, AND RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THAT RECOMPENSE OF THEIR ERROR WHICH WAS MEET. AND EVEN AS THEY DID NOT LIKE TO RETAIN GOD IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE, GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND, TO DO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE NOT CONVENIENT; BEING FILLED WITH ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, FORNICATION, WICKEDNESS, COVETOUSNESS, MALICIOUSNESS; FULL OF ENVY, MURDER, DEBATE, DECEIT, MALIGNITY; WHISPERERS, BACKBITERS, HATERS OF GOD, DESPITEFUL, PROUD, BOASTERS, INVENTORS OF EVIL THINGS, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS, WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING, COVENANTBREAKERS, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, IMPLACABLE, UNMERCIFUL: WHO KNOWING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, NOT ONLY DO THE SAME, BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM. The bible speaks plainly enough to me, repent of your ways seniors your time is running out, may God have mercy on your souls.
WOW! Did you not go to school? Please look up the word religion! How could freedom of religion mean just Christianity. Different types of christianity does not mean they are different religions. Some of our founding fathers diests... some of which did not believe Christ was the son of god. Please pick up a book -other than the bible. I'm sick of hearing this crap about Christian nation.
I can only suggest that gay domestic partners draw up Living Trusts with an attorney so each partner's wishes will be respected according to law when one of them passes away. This way, vindictive family members cannot arbitrarily kick the surviving partner into the street and out of their home that the two shared together. giving Durable Power of Attorney for Health Care, plus everything else to eachother will also help solve problems.
Unfortunately, the Federal Reserve system discriminates against anyone who is not legally "married" to eachother when it comes to Trust Savings Accounts at Banks. It also uses Familial Status to
discriminate against anyone who has no children and wishes to leave a Trust Bank Account to their nieces or nephews. Ordinarily, a Trust Savings Account is F.D.I.C. insured at $100,000.00 per beneficiary, but ONLY if that beneficiary is one's sibling, legal spouse, or child. If this is not discrimination, I don't know what is!
Hey, BigFord, you left out the part about Lot offering his two daughters to be raped in the place of his two male guests. when those men who surrounded the house demanding the males be brought out to them.
Add to that probate taxes on willed property that would in marriage not have to pass thru probate, federal and military benefits denied. Pensions that many companies and corporations will not assign to non spouse benificiaries, and you have a huge pile of economic discrimination that even our most supportive hetero friends are frequently not aware of. These are economic rights that are denied to all your gay and lesbian friends and family.
Hey Suns...those men were Angelic Beings from God, AND they didn't allow it to happen, but at least Lot respected and feared God enough to try and not allow God's messengers to be defiled. You can write all day Suns, but you are just a mouth piece for Satan...
For those who believe homosexuality is a weightier sin than others...you're WRONG! Stop using the Sodom scenario...God told Abraham that he was going to destroy Sodom because he could not find a RIGHTEOUS man...not because he could not find a STRAIGHT man. The reality is that any of us, gay or straight, could be in danger of losing our lives do to unrighteousness in our lives. God told the Prophet Nathan (when He sought to anoint David as King and the prophet was judging based on appearance), "Man looks at the outward appearance (looks, status, preference) but I look at the heart (how does he treat others?...does he love and respect his Creator?...Is he integral or unrighteous?) Stop buying in to the rhetoric...and follow Christ's example of loving others inspite of their "worthiness."
You don't even have to follow Jesus Christ's writings, or the Bible, Koran, or any other religious guide. All you have to do is just be the best person you can be. It's not hard. Think positive thoughts and it will all come very easily. If we would just stop with the negative rhetoric, we would all live much happier lives - straight, gay, or otherwise inclined. Just MYOB!!!!!
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have
learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as
many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle,
for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to
be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of specific law and
how to best follow them as a true believer.
When I burn a bull on the alter as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing
odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the
odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period
of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell?
I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us.
A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians.
Can you clarify?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly
states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination
(Lev 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree.
Can you settle this?
Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear prescription glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
I know you have studied these things extensively, so
I am confident that you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that
God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Wow your off base by quite a bit let me help you out here. God made two covenants with man, The law you are referring to from the Old Testament was the old one which was passed down from Abraham. When God sent His son Jesus is New Testament a new covenant was established through His Holy Spirit. God knew that in himself man cannot keep these laws a regulations but through the death of Jesus and the shedding of His blood on the cross a way was made for man to be with God forever. Before you go off like that know your biblical facts if want to know more I can help.
Karl, this topic is not about the Bible, but about the aged and homosexuality. But since you made such an ignorant comment, you better see what you Saviour says about the New Testament. You better quit destroying the jots and titles that He vowed to keep. Ignorant Christian. You make us knowledgable Christians look like idiots. Please quit doing that. If you choose to remain ignorant about what the Bible teaches, that is your choice, but don't make 100% of the Christians look stupid because you are.
mcsaripkin:
Instead of simply labeling karl as an ignorant Christian, why don't you show him the error of his ways. I agree karl got it messed up because there are actually more than two covenants, as I am sure you are aware, since you are a learned Bible scholar. Are we not admonished to show our brother the error of his ways? Paul said something about treating an older brother with respect and a younger brother in tenderness. You claim to be a Christian and I accept that, even though you also state you are homosexual. Yes I offended you with my screen name and the way in which a rebuked a screed from an ignorant unbeliever in shortjames, but I never showed you any disrespect.
The answer is easy.These are old testement.These did not follow into the new testement.The abomination thing did. Boy your pompous...
Are you creationist are so fond of saying Evolution is a theory so is the Bible...LOL!!!!
Oh, you are good.
If you were very well versed you would understand that God made a new covenant and that the old law could not be followed and the His Son Jesus Christ made a new covenant which is in the New testament. I can explain this more if you wish
If the "old law" is not to be followed then why is it, out of the 613 laws of the "old law," is the only one which gets thrust in people's faces is "man shall not lie with man as he does with woman, it is an abomination"? Seems to me you're being more cafeteria than you admit.
I am well knowledged in the Bible as well. However, understand the point being made. Christians can not "pick and choose" which passages in the Bible should or shouldn't be followed....it is God's infallible Word, is it not? Therefore, the Bible should not be used to quote Bible verses that those INTERPRET to be stating that homosexuality is a sin, and then turn a blind eye to the other verses that they violate daily. It negates the argument. My post is a satire upon that point.
I got it; apparently your comments were too ethereal for your critics - nice job
re: erutanjaxon (Note, this is in response to the subject of homosexual behavior, not the benefits that should or shouldn't be received in the U.S. by gay partners)
That is some interesting sarcasm you just wrote. Jesus did come to cancel the written code (Colossians 2:13-14), but I think there is a little more to this issue. Have you ever looked up 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-27, Hebrews 13:4, 1 Peter 1:14-16? (note this is New Testament) How about the old classic of Genesis 2:18-24? I at least think, that these spell out what God intended for the human race. You never see in the Bible homosexuality praised or promoted. When there are references to it, it is in the sense that it is wrong. We are called to holy living, because "Holy" is what God is. Granted, that is impossible on this earth, but we need to strive for it. We are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), but like in 1 Peter 1:16 we are called to be Holy. In the Garden (before the fall of man, when the world are perfect), God made Adam (male) and Eve (female) and put them together as a couple. He was well pleased with his creation (Genesis 1:31). I wouldn't think that just because we now live in the 21st century that somehow God's intention for us is to be gay. That is my belief from what I believe the Bible says.
You are correct. Homosexuality is not praised nor promoted in the Bible. In fact, the word "homosexuality" or any synonym of that word is not to be found ANYWHERE in the Bible...new, or old testament. So please quote to me the exact verse that states "homosexuality is a sin." I do not need verses that could be INTERPRETED to suit your case, I wish to see the exact verse, in it's original context.
I could further discuss the accuracies and inaccuracies of the Word of God, but that is not what this topic is about....it never was. Therefore, your own beliefs should not have any impact upon the discussion at hand, which is equal rights for same-sex couples in their older years.
Did you read the article?....It seams that older gay men are more likely to contract the aids virus than older straight men. Any adult with half of a brain tied behind thier back should be able to connect the dots........................the problem is not that the older gay men are contracting aids, the problem is that they are engaging in an activity that promotes the disease. If they want recognition, give it to them for being foolish, but not for being sick.
I am heterosexual but I am absolutely disgusted by all the stupidity I am reading here. Intolerance is and has been the base and root of absolutely ALL of the World's problems. Remarks like "Because the gay lifestyle causes death" are statements that reveal how little minds and diminished common sense existe in such modern times. I got news: Distorted heterosexual lifestyles also cause death. Drug addicts also find death; diabetics with no autocontrol also die. How many husbans and wives in heterosexual marriages find illness and death becasue their partner lives a mystery, promiscuos life of having sex with any and everyone they want and then pass illness on to the partner? Being homosexual has nothing to do with promiscuity and that's what people don;t understand. You can be heterosexual and be promiscuos. Not every gay person is promiscuos whereas not every heterosexual individual is monogamous. So stop the insanity. A real marriage is based on fidelity, love, communication and respect regardless of the sexual orientation. Orient your minds and your hearts to be tolerate. You can never know if you may have a homosexual child who suffers the intolerance and disrespect of people as intolerate as you. Don't we all have glass ceilings? Don't we all??
obviously it's a free-for-all at your home. No need for rules or absolutes as long as we all get along and are happy in our own individuality. THAT'S the problem. Your line of thinking is what creates chaos and division. Did you really read your comment before sending? You would have read "stupidity" clearly in it...
Very, very, well said "puchmaria". We need to have respect for each other including each other's
differences. "A real marriage is based on fidelity, love, communication and respect" is right on target.
That is how my 20-year marriage has been based upon.
If we all would learn some tolerance, families, acquiantences, coworkers, etc. would be better off and who
knows... maybe the world would be a better place to co-live with each other.
Elderly gays having unique needs and challenges is a bit odd to me (and I'm gay). At any age we have to face society assuming we are straight so having a nurse in a nursing home assume I'm straight when I'm 80 years old won't come as a surprise or be a new challenge to deal with. Being loney is a universal fact of old age most times. I'm happy socializing now with gays and straight people and don't see that changing when I'm older. We know we are the minority and that it might be unlikely for us to have a gay senior group in our retirment home. If the elderly person is the type who predominately socialized with gays in his/her younger years then I can see wanting to go to a gay retirement home. I think having a support network for gay elderly to talk to and meet up with would be lovely, but to say we have unique needs and challenges sounds a bit extreme to me.
This is not a sad situation because these people are lonely, or without a partner. What makes that unique? This is a sad situation because these people think they have no responsibility.
Everyone of us has the right to desire whatever we want in life, yes. But this is not really about unique needs or special challenges. You could say that each one of us has unique needs, and we would all like to be recognized. Likewise, we all have choices. My choices either put me under, or they put me over. My choices dont qualify me for special recognition and sympathy. Male or female is not a choice, sexuality is.
While I totally agree with KIWIELL that no one sin is any weightier than others that is totally missing the point. The fact is not whether one sin is worse than another it's the fact that a person actually commits to a lifestyle of sin rather than confessing it and going to the Lord with an attitude of turning away from it( repentence). Before anyone can receive Christ there must be repentence. Any sin when committed to as a lifestyle is simply continuing in sin. While the G and L lifestylers would have us to believe that homosexuality is inborn and unchangeable, therefore and excuse for continuence in such a lifestyle, that has never been shown and even if it was , it still doesn't change the stance of scripture on it which is quite clear. In addition many have left the lifestyle and become believers and celibate in terms of homosexuality and it is well documented. God loves homosexuals but He considers the act as an abomination and distortion of his original creation and that is all there is to that. In addition God's inward look into people as Kiwwiell points out is so true. However, whether or not you go to Heaven isn't based on the goodness he sees there because man is born in sin and must be redeemed . So when God looks into our heart He must see His Son and His blood that covers us, not any goodness we may have inside. I'm afraid that KiWiell needs to brush up on basic Bible doctrine before critisizing other Christians about their stance on homosexuality, when all they are doing is going based on Romans Chapter 1. .
How absurd of you to believe that you know what God loves or doesn't love. If the Bible is so clear on its stance against homosexuality why is it continually debated by the clergy of various faiths. Remember these texts were written by men with their own agendas, compiled by men with their own agendas and translated by men with their own agendas. Last time I checked no book dropped fully written out of the sky.
First of all I am a female who is married to a man. Kudos to all of you for having an unbiased outlook on this sad situation. This is a biological condition that has nothing to do with religion. It is obivious to me that some of these commentators have never even KNOWN a gay person - as a young CHILD I knew which of my playmates were gay. I currently have some wonderful loving gay friends - what they want in life is no different than what any of us are asking. I would like to thank the folowing for expressing my same sentiments - Milkshakes, Futures Mes A, Airycircle, P George, Melba72.
Get back in your closets and lock the door. Society is on the verge of a major uprising, only this time not from the liberal left. Their "MESSIAH" will be the instrument of this uprising. His ultra liberal agenda will have a fatal backlash. The new civil war is here people. Time to figure out which side you are giong to fight for. This reckoning will once and for all decide the fate of our nation.
You are one very very scary puppie LOL! But I will gladly paste this comment on the other boards. Nice to see a McCain supporter on his A Game LOL!
Look ---- Want to do this kind of crap or want to tell everyone you do this kind of crap knowing that the majority of straight people think your a pervert then quit complaining about the reprocussion. Your behavior in private is repulsive to most people. Stop trying to force the things you do in private on the world. No body wants to hear it and no body wants you in their face because they don't agree with you!!! Piss off.
For you to be so digusted by it you must have a deeper reason. Are you gay? It's okay...come and join us. Most people who are as homophobic as you are have a reason why. They are usually trying to hide the fact that they are still in the closet. You poor thing, you should seek therapy.
Great Come Back!
What does anyones god have to do do with being a tax paying citizen ? Evreyone deserves the same rights regardless of sex,age,color or religion, that is what it states in our constitution (free of discrimination.....or supposed to be.)
You really need to get a clue. They are talking about the government handing them tax relief and special considerations because they are gay. The government does not recoginze this abnormal behaviour as a reason to receive said monetary relief do to them not being married. Married is between a man and a woman. This is still a christian nation. Therefore when our laws were written that was taken into account.
your a moron. This is not, nor has it ever been a Christian nation. It was started by non christian, free masons who had a vague concept of god. You need to study your history, and go live in a place where haters are tolerated. Not here.
LIAR! LIAR! THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT YOU JERK!
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