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  • Posted By: bigford95 @ 09/18/2008 3:41:11 PM

    i believe God hates homosexuality & here is proof
    Genesis 19
    Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
    4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom???both young and old???surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

    6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
    12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here???sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."
    15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."
    By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah???from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities???and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

    27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

    • Posted By: sffilk @ 09/18/2008 4:04:32 PM

      your translation is 100% wrong - it does not say "have sex." If it does, it is a mistranslation from the original Hebrew.

      • Posted By: bigford95 @ 09/18/2008 4:31:34 PM

        know them have sex with them it means the same read clearly quit trying to justify what you are doing.
        Genesis 19 (King James Version)
        5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

        6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

        7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

        8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

        • Posted By: CHRIST_IS_FOR_ALL @ 09/18/2008 5:07:32 PM

          ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT STORY IS ABOUT THE STRIGHT MEN OF THE CITIES GOING AGAINST THIER NATURAL WAY(STRIGHT) AND FORCING OTHER MEN STRIGHT TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM, BASICALLY RAPING THEM. SO YES THIS IS WRONG IN GOD'S EYES AND THERE FOR HE DESTROY'S THE CITY. NOT BECAUSE GAY MEN ARE HAVING RELATIONS WITH OTHER GAY MEN!

    • Posted By: jnklive @ 09/18/2008 3:51:38 PM

      **From an article written by Rev. Bruce Lowe in 2201***
      Genesis 18:20 to 19:29--The Sodom Story



      Some consider the sin of Sodom to be same-gender sex, although we are not told in Genesis what Sodom's sins were, only that they were so great that God determined to destroy the city. On the evening before its destruction he sent two angels, in disguise as men, to the city to lead Lot and his family out early the next day. Hospitable Lot invited them to spend the night at his house. During the evening the men of the city surrounded the house and demanded of Lot that he bring the two men out so that they could [19:5]

      King James Version: "know them."

      Revised Standard Version: "know them."

      New International Version: "have sex with them."

      When Lot refused to bring his guests out, the men of the city were about to break his door down when the angels struck them all blind and the mob dispersed. The next day Lot and his family were led out of Sodom, and the city was destroyed by fire and brimstone from heaven.



      The Hebrew verb used here, "yadha," "to know," is used 943 times in the OT and only ten times clearly to mean "have sex," then it always means heterosexual sex. The word normally used for homosexual sex is "shakhabh." Many scholars believe that in Gen. 19:5 yadha means "know" in the sense of "get acquainted with" (the city's men may have wondered if these were enemy spies or they might have sensed the city's impending doom and been concerned with what these strangers were doing there) and have several arguments for this, including Sodom's being used as an example of great sin numerous times in the Old and New Testaments with nothing ever said about same-sex sex, and the context of Jesus' references to Sodom (Luke 10:10-13) which seems to imply lack of hospitality as the sin.



      Other scholars think it was the common practice of showing dominance over and humiliating outsiders by forcing them to take the part of a (an inferior) woman in a same-gender rape.



      Others think it means "have sex," and point to Lot's offering his two virgin daughters to the crowd if sex is what they want, if they will just leave his guests alone. If this is the right interpretation, it is clearly about violent, criminal, gang rape, something always condemnable.



      Another thought is expressed by Religion Professor David L. Bartlett: "This story is certainly an unlikely starting point for a `biblical' understanding of sexual ethics. While the attempted homosexual rape by the men of Sodom is explicitly condemned, the offer by Lot to hand his two virgin daughters over to the violent and lecherous inhabitants of Sodom is related without a word of judgment."B-2



      Conservative theologian Richard Hays says, "The notorious story of Sodom and Gomorrah--often cited in connection with homosexuality--is actually irrelevant to the topic."B-3



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  • Posted By: mike3778 @ 09/18/2008 3:48:52 PM

    These angry "gays" want us to believe that how they "feel" is truth. I guess I can do ANYTHING I want, as long as it makes me happy or at least gives me joy because the Good Lord loves us all. Satan IS the master of this world and he has done quite a job with the justification and manipulation of the homosexual agenda. I find comfort in knowing that I don't have to judge any one of you because there WILL be a day that you will stand in judgement for the evil you are committing. As for the so-called "Christian Homosexual", you will answer even more, because you know the truth and deny it. My God is never changing from beginning to end. Christ loves us and wants us to accept Him, but He clearly states that repentance also means leaving your life of sin. Homosexuals truly want acceptance, but also the free pass to Heaven. Where is your faith? It's not with God. Leviticus 18:22

    • Posted By: cox_dan @ 09/18/2008 5:05:54 PM

      Seems like he's alive and well in you. Do a reality check Mr. all and might!

  • Posted By: Milkshakes @ 09/18/2008 5:04:25 PM

    Look I can see why they'd want tax relief, but it's not really "because we're gay." Think about it. If gays were allowed a civil union (state approved 'marriage' I don't like calling it marriage because marriage IS between a man and a woman. I just think homosexuals should be able to have a civil union and have the same rights as a heterosexual married couple) they would be recognized as a couple and they could own a home together, pay their taxes and so on.
    Look, I'm straight, but I still advocate gay rights! If they had their rights in the first place we wouldn't have such a big fuss over things.

    I totally agree with melba72

  • Posted By: ucja2008 @ 09/18/2008 5:01:27 PM

    Homos, just as well as robbers, adultures, child pred, whores, terrorist, people with strife, hate wont be entering the Kingdom,

    Wrong is Wrong! We tend to think that homo lifestyle is immorral but look e here, men lying with different women havin baby moma or daddies is just as immoral. Wrong is Wrong Both Are Sin and Abominations!

    Be Holy not Homo!

  • Posted By: melba72 @ 09/18/2008 4:50:11 PM

    WEll said, robynmaxine! The sad and sickening attitudes of some of the other comments really make ME want to vomit. Who are we as a society to judge others for who and what they are? No one is without sin...not one of us. How about if you narrow minded idiots look at your own lives and see if you would like to be denied basic human and civil rights. Try to imagine what that would be like. And MACE_5150....how childish and immature of you!

    Melba

    • Posted By: vegasscorpio @ 09/18/2008 4:58:09 PM

      these persons have the same rights as the rest of us. They are old and alone - go to an old folks home! As to getting handouts - maybe you need to ready your bible and figure out what your God feels about this type of lifestyle choice. If he was Ok with Gyas - I'm thinking there would have been quite a few stories well Jesus was slurpping down the big one. He was ok with prostitution though. Allowed Good ole Mary M to wipe down his face.

  • Posted By: airycircle @ 09/18/2008 4:56:55 PM

    I have two gay siblings who both go to church and are very involved with the church! They are treated like everyone else. The difference for them is that they are not expecting our country or system or someone else to take care of them. They stand on their own two feet. They have wills in place that indicate who gets what and with that, the government or anyone else can't take it away. I am not gay, I don't have someone special in my life and I don't expect to live on social security, let's face it, with the way everything is going, there isn't going to be there anyway. The similarity between them and me is that we don't throw our lifestyles at each other. We care and love each other equally. Being christians we all know that it is not up to us to judge others, that is up to God. Having been married, I can tell you that you aren't missing much! Heterosexual/Homosexual, it doesn't matter, we are all people!

  • Posted By: pgeorge @ 09/18/2008 4:56:39 PM

    Wow, nosmoking, are you speaking as a Christian? If so, do you think you in any way represent the love and compassion that Jesus represented - the Jesus that said that if you fed the hungry or visited the sick or the imprisoned, you were doing it to him? Hmmm, maybe the prisoners should have made "better choices." Maybe there are heterosexual widows and widowers with no one to care for them. There are plenty of married Christians who didn't have children or whose children are not there for them in their old age. Could you possibly be any more narrow and judgmental? Please note that McCoy said that he has outlived his support system - not that he was lonely and friendless all his life. Please also remember that the greatest commandments are to love God and love your neighbor as yourself - and God didn't specify "except your gay neighbor."

  • Posted By: PresidentSupporter @ 09/18/2008 4:13:33 PM

    For me, it's not about religion or what is right and what is wrong. Homosexuality is just a repulsive thought and sight. I can't change the way I feel when I see gays. It's my natural instinct to want to vomit when I see gay couples together.

    So, anyways, if it's something that disgusts me, I won't vote to make it acceptable or vote to extend rights to people that make me physically ill. I'm sure you all as gays would feel the same way about something that made you ill.

    But, since being gay is supposedly ok in some people's minds, I just try to ignore it. Occasionally I might vomit on the shoes of some gay couples, but I usually apologize.

    • Posted By: CowboyPhD @ 09/18/2008 4:51:49 PM

      I have been with my partner for 33 years....if you "vomit" on our shoes, and appologize, I will forgive you as I "wash your feet".

    • Posted By: puchmaria @ 09/18/2008 4:18:32 PM

      I also feel like vomiting on promiscuos heterosexuals and on inteolerant people but I refrain and think I must be tolerant and show love for my similars. So sad about your comments.

  • Posted By: nosmoking @ 09/18/2008 4:43:43 PM

    If McCoy sings in a church choir, how can he say he doesn't have anyone? If he is a church-goer (or does he just sing in the choir?), and assuming he is a Christian, does he not have a church family? If he had married a female and had offspring (like "normal" people) he wouldn't be so all alone. He made a choice to live a homosexual lifestyle and now as he grows older he has no one near him. I also feel sorry for him because he bought into the lies of homosexuality and sunk deeper and deeper to the point where he probably now believes he can't make another choice. Doesn't his minister preach from the bible? It's all there. His parents were man and woman. They had him. He should rejoice now, alone, that even without a partner, God still loves him more than any human will be able to.

    • Posted By: cox_dan @ 09/18/2008 4:50:24 PM

      I wish you and others like you would quit using the bible to advantage when and where you want it to. Lets face it, if we practice the bibile as it reads, we all would be dead

  • Posted By: getgoing @ 09/18/2008 4:46:09 PM

    Oh crap. You don't need any more than the rest of us do. Start your own country, why don't you?

  • Posted By: ProFamily @ 09/18/2008 2:49:27 PM

    The rights that are lacking for same sex couples is regretable and should be established and sought under the domestic partnership laws and not forced upon the majority by the current trend of suppressing, altering, and perhaps "Deinstitutionalizing" man woman marriage and inflicting on me and my children the genderless view that 1) men and women are interchangeable 2) a child doesn't need a father and a mother 3) & anyone who says otherwise is considered a bigot. The reality of the genderless marriage regime experiment is that it will create a different society and remove the social goods that man woman marriage produces. The same sex attorneys remain silent and uncontested on this issue. To say otherwise would be to ignore the undisputed effects that social institutions have in the formation and transformation of individuals. The man woman marriage sustains and makes real the child's bonding right; the any two persons regime repudiates it. The man woman marriage institution sustains the rich, thick identities and statuses of husband and wife. To the extent the any two persons regime even allows those words, it shrivels their meanings all the way down to mere biological description and therefore does not empower and enable people to do and become what they could not do and become without the institution. The final social instituion reality is this. A society can have only one social institution named marriage. No society can have a marriage institution that is made up, at one and the same time, by both the union of a man and a woman meaning and the union of any two persons meaning. That is impossible; one meaning displaces the other. Thus, every society must choose either to retain man woman marriage or by force of law, replace it with a radically different any two persons marriage regime. Moreover, if the institution of marriage is altered, as the law has the power to do, and the public meanings and norms are not widely shared, the social institution made up by those norms disappears - and so do its social goods.

    • Posted By: Valerie1972 @ 09/18/2008 3:11:19 PM

      I am gay and don't care personally if its called marriage or whatever. I just know that there are some things marriage grants heterosexuals that gay couples are not intitled to and something needs to be put in place that grants same sex couples those same rights. Not every gay person out there cares if our committed relationships legally are referred to as marriage.

      • Posted By: chickysgirl @ 09/18/2008 4:43:38 PM

        I just don't understand what is being forced upon the majority as you say. You are still allowed to marry the man or woman or your choice, You do not have to be in a homosexual relationship unless you 'choose' to. You are still allowed to go about your daily life, without really any interaction with the gay community unless you again 'choose' to. Whether my partner and I are married doesn't really affect you in anyway personally. I just don't get what your problem is.

    • Posted By: erutanjaxon @ 09/18/2008 2:56:07 PM

      Thank goodness! I am so happy to see that the established man/woman relationship must take precidence over everything else. Care to solve the issue with children who suffer from psychological damage, because of the father figure who beat his wife when he was drunk, and the example that is setting for his children. Or perhaps the answer to the lack of a father and mother figure when there are many single parents in this country, where there is only 1 side to be taught. Because, surely both of those situations are less threatening to the "sancitity of marriage" than the same-sex couple mentioned in the article who have been together for over 51 years.

  • Posted By: all_truth @ 09/18/2008 4:43:37 PM

    A man who lays down with another man will NOT inherit God's kingdom. You might think you are gay, but you don't have to practice it. I sometimes want to beat someone down but I don't. So if you practive it, you will not inherit God's kingdom. This isn't judging but clearly stated in the bible. If you don't believe in the bible, that is your own issue, but if you do, then you should NOT be gay.

  • Posted By: justmatt @ 09/18/2008 4:43:22 PM

    What does anyones god have to do do with being a tax paying citizen ? Evreyone deserves the same rights regardless of sex,age,color or religion, that is what it states in our constitution (free of discrimination.....or supposed to be.)

  • Posted By: casej @ 09/18/2008 3:59:01 PM

    Read Roman's chapter 1, when men trade in the natural function of the woman and follow after their lust towards one another and vise versa with women, God said that destructive things would happen to our bodies. God did not design men to be with men and women to be with women, however, if you find yourself in this position, God can deliver you. If you repent and turn to Jesus and forsake your wicked ways He will deliver and heal you. I have found this to be true in my own life, and I can testify to God's love. In that while I was still a sinner Christ died for me. We have all sinned and fallen short of the lory of God. If we confess our sins , He is faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    • Posted By: George from Westerville @ 09/18/2008 4:03:12 PM

      Praise the lord and pass the plate ...

      • Posted By: Molly Tonks @ 09/18/2008 4:08:54 PM

        Jesus himself never said anything about homosexuality. If he thought it was that important, he would have mentioned it.

        • Posted By: Michell @ 09/18/2008 4:40:48 PM

          If you read Matthew 5:17-19 Jesus said, I have not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them. By this verse you cannot throw out the rest of the Bible just because you don't agree with what it says. Jesus didn't.

        • Posted By: Michell @ 09/18/2008 4:25:05 PM

          I believe if you read Matthew 5:17-19 you will see that Jesus did not come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it. Therefore, you cannot thow out the rest of the Bible just because "Jesus didn't mention it".

    • Posted By: samanthalove @ 09/18/2008 4:06:35 PM

      Thanks for the bible lesson. How about you look up these simple scriptures (Romans 14:13, Matthew 7:1, James 4:12, John 4:7-11) concerning judging others. There is a lot more in the bible about judging others and loving your brother than there is about homosexuality. I just thought that you would like to know--that is, because you are such a loving Christian and all.

  • Posted By: foxinthesnow @ 09/18/2008 4:39:15 PM

    You are clearly generalizing when you say that promiscuity and perversion exist beyond anyone???s imagination in gay male culture. Regardless, these things can and do exist in all lifestyles or backgrounds. What about the forms of perversion and lies that has been exerciesed for centuries by "the Chruch"? That is what should be brought to the forefront and explained. And to say that gay males are directly responsible for the AIDS crisis is utterly fatuous of you. The blame should be put on the elitists that secretly control every faucet of our corrupt government. If you were so aware of AIDS then you would know that AIDS was created in a US military government lab facility and unleashed in poverty stricken nations such as Africa for population control and for other malicious, greedy reason.. What information that is out there about HIV, AIDS and other STDs is completely false and far from the truth. There are cures for all these diseases but too much money is to be made to release a cure. and so any cures are suppressed. Keep a group or nation of people sick, someone can expect to make alot money from a disease where medical experts claim there is no cure but only can produce pills made by big pharmaceutical cmpanies to only control it over an individual???s lifetime. Makes alot of sense, right? PLEASE WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!

  • Posted By: thejess3 @ 09/18/2008 4:38:24 PM

    MACE, you sound like an ignorant redneck. Who do you think you are to say that gey people were not born gay. We could argue that you were not born stupid, but with your comment I would have to say that you were.

  • Posted By: calibali @ 09/18/2008 4:38:05 PM

    Unfortunately, the mythology of all religion is going to have to be exposed before prejudices and bigotry are eliminated. As long as some people feel they have a "reason" to hate other humans for the chemical software playing against their physical DNA-blueprinted bodies, they will believe they are justified in doing so.
    Um, so...good luck with that.

  • Posted By: trcooper3 @ 09/18/2008 2:37:58 PM

    ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. Now we have to see obnoxious exhibitions of men kissing men & women kissing woman.

    • Posted By: deebee1222 @ 09/18/2008 3:15:21 PM

      Don't sons kiss their fathers? Daughters their mothers? Sisters, their sisters? Etc?

      • Posted By: max298 @ 09/18/2008 4:37:41 PM

        Not with their tongues.I even wonder about parents that kiss their kids on the mouth.

    • Posted By: jlivesay @ 09/18/2008 3:32:16 PM

      I guess straight sex PORN is OK then? Give me a break!

    • Posted By: callmehandy64 @ 09/18/2008 3:28:02 PM

      Turn off your TV, Close your door, Shutter your windows, Stop Reading, Don't Leave Your House. Better yet, just keep your eyes closed.

    • Posted By: natoma77 @ 09/18/2008 2:40:26 PM

      Obnoxious? No one forced you to click on the story. Maybe you're like Larry Craig. :)

  • Posted By: familyvaluesami @ 09/18/2008 4:17:58 PM

    Dovbush: your arguement is completely empty. Homosexuality is 'natural' because it happens 'in nature' both in humans and non-humans. Are the non-human animals just doing it to get back at their parents? And marriage is about more tha "pro-creation". Obviously is possible to make as many babies as you want without marriage. Homosexuality has existed since the dawn of mankind. Its as much as part of being human as being straight is. Just because you like being in the "in crowd" with straight people, don't think its ok to judge whats natural or not. You are not GOD

    • Posted By: CHRIST_IS_FOR_ALL @ 09/18/2008 4:37:33 PM

      ~AMEN~ I am a homosexual CHRISTian, and I agree no HUMAN has the right to judge! I think all these "so call christains" need to take a step back and ask themselves....Is this how I love my neighbor as myself? Like Chirst commanded all of us to do! I highly doubt you would say all these repulsive and hurtful comments to your stright neighbors! Think about it...you know I'm right!

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