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  • Posted By: schuylerx @ 09/20/2008 11:16:40 PM

    This nasty discussion is one reason I moved to Mexico when I retired four years ago. Had to sacrifice Medicare coverage, but medical care here costs about 10% of US rates. (Skin cancer surgery that cost $1,200 thru my Seattle HMO cost $200 here.) Respect for seniors is a strong value here. One policeman who used abusive language with an old lady double-parked to carry her groceries inside was strongly criticized by the judge ("Have you no mother?"), who ordered him reassigned. There are a dozen or two retired gay men from US in my town, and they are a principal support of our English-language library, which serves as a social center for foreign residents. I try to be a good neighbor where I live, and the Mexicans I know more than return the favor. We do lack assisted care facilities for seniors, but progress is being made in that direction. Nobody suggests that traditional family care of elders means we should not provide help for those who have no family or who come from elsewhere. I would not go back for anything.

    • Posted By: Pimientita @ 09/21/2008 12:06:55 AM

      "We do lack assisted care facilities for seniors, but progress is being made in that direction. Nobody suggests that traditional family care of elders means we should not provide help for those who have no family or who come from elsewhere. I would not go back for anything."

      Your post is only a jumping off point for this thought of mine. I know quite a few "conservatives" who mock the extended family model of Latin Americans. They make jokes about 13 people living in an 3 bedroom apartment (or smaller). They also are quick to judge and condemn their own flesh and blood (parents, siblings, etc) and refuse to offer help while extolling the virtues of the "private sector" and wondering why the hell those who are in need wind up in dire straits in the first place.

      The people who need the most help are most often those who either have no family or those who have a family that condemns them and/or ostracizes them and those family members then vote for a "private" solution for charity.

      Sure, I'll throw my lesbian daughter out. My son is not my son. If they want to fornicate they can learn the consequences. If he smokes pot at 15 he is outta here! I don't care if my beliefs are causing harm to someone else! My god is good!!! *** government programs which might help them to have a better life. My money is mine! That burglar is just a pawn of satan...nothing to do with my own selfish prosperity values. nope. I am a "GOOD Christian." I can compartmentalize with the best of them. Even though Jesus said not to judge, I do. I judge myself to be better than "them" because my sins are forgiven, but I don't know about them...they are suspect. Their lives must be made miserable because if I give credence to their lives I might be sent to hell...and that's all there is folks. Fear of hell. What a way to live a life. yay god...

      • Posted By: schuylerx @ 09/21/2008 7:19:34 AM

        Thank you for this expansion on my post, Pimientita. There are some, even today, whose christianity is centered on compassion and forgiveness and openness to making oneself ethically better. But the steady trend, as exhibited here, has been toward self-righteousness, branding one's neighbor as an incorrigible sinner, and twisting reverence for life into a hatred of freedom or pleasure. There has even been the astonishing development of recent years of turning christian teaching upside down by replacing forgiveness and repaying evil with good with a doctrine of injure your enemy before he can injure you, elevating revenge into an acceptable model of behavior. Saint Francis (just to name one) must be spinning in his grave.

    • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/21/2008 12:34:27 AM

      All too true. As someone who has lived in Asia, and Latin America, all I have to say is that the treatment of seniors and family is MUCH different compared to middle-class, suburban American values. Even though I am no where near retirement I can understand the ex-pats who have moved to Mexico, Costa Rica and Thailand.

      • Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/21/2008 6:39:17 AM

        There are those in the U.S. who are aware and changing the way LGBT seniors are treated. Visit www.opencirclecommunities.com to learn more!

  • Posted By: faithfulin Cali @ 09/20/2008 9:44:59 PM

    This this is nothing more than another poor homosexual article. How unfair life is to them. Being a healthcare worker, one who goes to the homes, let me tell you, this situation describes the majority of aging people regardless of lifestyle. I can only say to the homosexual. GET OVER YOURSLEVES, as you have made your choices in life and I for one do not owe you the tax breaks nor does anyone else. All other countries who have allowed what you ask for are now in dire straights because of the lack of forsight on the part of the liberals making these decisions against the will of the majority of the people. Your needs should be met by your communities of like mindedness and not the tax payors of this county. Attitudes have not changed, nor should they. You want special rights, move to Canada.

    • Posted By: People in glass houses @ 09/20/2008 10:08:12 PM

      How much more Hate should we have to take? The hypocrisy of all you who speak so ill will. I am Gay, I am a Christian and the God I know is not hateful. What makes anyone believe that their God is the only God, that you have exclusive rights to Heaven. God is ALL! It is not a choice. I was created just as you. I pump blood through my veins as you, I have family who love me as you, I work, I pay your taxes, I contribute to social security, I don't live off any social programs and am a responsible individual of my community. I desrve All that you get and more. The hypocrisy of all your fallen idols of the reublican party, who live double lives and sleep with the same sex. What do you do daily to make you proud? What do you contribute other than hate, war and debt.
      to your w

      • Posted By: braveheart123 @ 09/20/2008 10:19:55 PM

        If you are gay, than you are sick. Oh, and guess what, you do not know God. If you did you would study the Bible. And if you study the Bible, you will find out that HOMOSEXUALITY IS !DEAD! WRONG!!!!!!! IDIOT!!!

        • Posted By: thundering @ 09/21/2008 7:11:39 AM

          I am gay and an atheist, yet I have and still occasionally read the Bible. I believe there are good lessons and principles to be learned from it (and it is intellectually stimulating which is more than I can say for much of current media, and the reason I do look at it), but one does not have to believe everything they read, and by merely reading and studying it one does not immediately become enlightened to the fact that homosexuality is inherently wrong (as I think you are suggesting).
          Though, they do have the right to.

        • Posted By: People in glass houses @ 09/20/2008 10:26:41 PM

          NICE! God loves you.

      • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:18:10 PM

        oh that's a good one....you deserve more......you must be special. And if you are a christian, gay or not, you would know that He says He is the only way, there is none other.... that's called a monopoly

    • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:03:02 PM

      Wow, I would feel so wonderful and cared for to have you as a compassionate health care provider. My advice: stick to healthcare and not global economics.

      If anyone wants/has special rights its breeders. Women with kids act as if they own the universe.

    • Posted By: june_in_winter @ 09/20/2008 9:50:43 PM

      you know what as a soical worker you would think that you above all people would be for making all rights available to every legal person in the US. not just those that suit your needs or have your opinion.

  • Posted By: a man1923 @ 09/20/2008 9:49:17 PM

    I notice we have Black Pride, Gay Pride, Latino Parades and all sorts of other parades and Pride days. Maybe we should have Strait Parades, Christian Pride, White Pride or maybe we should have a College graduate pride holidays, No, wait all those are politically incorrect, 'specially White pride.. Ooops !!I'm a White guy, Should keep my mouth shut. Dang!!

    • Posted By: thundering @ 09/20/2008 9:58:52 PM

      The reasoning is that everything you said (white, christian, etc) is the majority, and thus society to some degree caters to their needs. Minorities have pride days so they can feel normal, like the majority, for a few hours.
      As far as having straight/white/christian pride events, I'm all for it, and anyone who isn't is only misunderstanding its meaning. The events would be politically incorrect because minorities wrongfully assume that white or straight pride is everything else is bad or wrong, and people as a whole don't seem to have the brain power or common sense separate the two

      • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:28:16 PM

        thundering, so is it abnormal to be black or Jewish since you equate majority as normal?

        • Posted By: thundering @ 09/21/2008 6:57:09 AM

          I'm using the majority as a guideline for "normal" because what else can you go on? The word normal is very subjective and if you have a "better" universally applicable definition please enlighten me.

    • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:23:07 PM

      Over 90% of the human population is straight, about 90% of Americans identify as Christian, and about 78% of Americans are white (though race is more of a sociological construct than a biological one but that is a different story.) Do you really feel like you are being repressed in some way as a white, Christian man?

  • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/20/2008 10:56:10 PM

    Nice job eersaya.... tell me I chose a life of hatred and fear (which I have by no means done) and then accuse me of bashing your christiian values by saying that christians get on their soapboxes with the bible in their hands.

    • Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/20/2008 11:10:08 PM

      To be honest ...I'm not really understanding your comment...please explain.

      • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/20/2008 11:29:16 PM

        Why do you assume I chose a life of hatred and fear? it's not true at all.

        IIt only shows that you need to get out more or something.

        • Posted By: thundering @ 09/21/2008 6:44:45 AM

          Many people who claim being homosexual is a choice are not referring to literally BEING homosexual, but the choice that we make to act on those feelings. We weigh our options of being normal, but never-ever really being close to happy or even content with our shell of a life, or being actively gay, fulfilling our lives and being happy at the expense of facing the societal issues with it. We merely make the choice to being happy, and others don't understand it. (For straight people: What if tomorrow, you were told that you could only have sex and relationships with your same gender, and if you don't just for the sake of being "normal" most everyone would judge you, think much, much less of you, and ultimately discriminate you for it. You probably can't fathom the feeling, but it isn't a necessarily good one)

  • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/20/2008 11:53:02 PM

    Sorry, yes, I completely agree with you. If you are interested in reading more about the brain differences in gay men, Dr. Simon LeVay wrote a great book, "The Gay Brain," which details his studies on the hypothalamus in gay men. He discovered that our brains are wired different, and although it is somewhat of a technical book, the summary is that we have an additional node that processes more information through the hypothalamus. While this does not conclusively mean that all gay men have that interstitial node, it may indicate that we are born with different brains.

    Perhaps with more research and genetic mapping a gene will surface.

    • Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/21/2008 12:11:45 AM

      Thank You!!! I promise I will read the book. I have many gay and lesbian friends and it breaks my heart to see the way they are treated. I may be a republican, but when it comes to gay rights and issues i'm liberal. Everyone deserves the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. More than one gay male friend of mine have tried at times, in their lives, to be someone other then themselves. Meaning, they have had relationships with women..because that is what "society" wants. To think that you would have to hide who you are to be what society considers "normal" just blows my mind! This is a prime example of what is wrong with our world today. Alot more people need to understand that you love someone for who they are not what they are!

      • Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/21/2008 6:37:32 AM

        Tell your friends about www.opencirclecommunity.com!

  • Posted By: Jenefer-Jane @ 09/21/2008 1:28:42 AM

    I have a gay son and I worry every day as he ages how he will be able to cope with the bias, injustice, and the total disreard we have for any one that is not a conformist to todays society in America. We make loud noises of how we are the greatest nation in the world yet Europe is far ahead in recognising the Gay population and allows Gay Marriages with the right to inherit.
    My hairdresser was destroyed emotionally and financially when his partner died after 35 years of being together, not only did he lose their business and home to relatives that came out of the woodwork, but he also
    lost his sanity, it was a long haul back to the present day.
    Please don't bring religion into this, we are all human beings with the same needs, everyone should remember "treat everyone the same as you want to be treated, with kindness, respect, and love. WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD WE WOULD HAVE. Jenefer-Jane.

    • Posted By: OCC-D @ 09/21/2008 6:36:08 AM

      tell your son about www.opencirclecommunities.com - a place where he may be welcome and comfortable and happy

    • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/21/2008 1:59:34 AM

      Yes they do come out of the woodwork. Sound financial planning can prevent that, such as forming a Living Trust with exclusive rights of survivorship. But the bitterness and hated goes on for a long time. A Will can be contested and often is with aged gay couples; which brings with it the expense and time it takes to fight. Your son is fortunate to have a supportive and loving family.

      ... and getthepoint I know you would be ready to grab all you could of your brother's estate if he were gay and worth a few bucks. All at the expense of his lover; without a moment of regret.

  • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:43:30 PM

    hey dunes......at least your honest about not having used the scientific method. If more of those on your side of the fence would put that into practice, we would find that global warming is truly just a scare tactic.

    • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/21/2008 1:30:13 AM

      And all along I thought it was to make people go out and buy more stuff because it's 'green.'

  • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:45:48 PM

    michelle..............what's divorce got to do with anything here...................................

    • Posted By: Pimientita @ 09/21/2008 12:31:03 AM

      @getthepoint

      "what's divorce got to do with anything here..................................."

      Um...maybe the whole ""traditional marriage" argument?


      See, "traditionally," couples could not get divorced unless the woman was barren (it didn't occur to men that the men could be "barren" also until very recently) or unless the woman could prove the man was a homicidal maniac (which was hard to prove what with women not allowed to be independent witnesses and all...btw based on the Bible). Also "traditional" marriages were usually arranged either through formal arrangements or through pressure ("he's a nice jewish boy and a lawyer!" or" she's about to inherit a fortune! pop out a couple of kids and continue the line."). Screw that. I want to marry for love.

      Maybe I am weird...I am a lesbian, after all, but my marriage will be about partnership, not domination. Maybe that is what some people are afraid of. That marriage won't automatically say "she's mine. Thisi s what I own, now."" Is that what the people who say that their marriage will be undermined by allowing gays to be married are afraid of?

      If not, I don't get it....

    • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/21/2008 12:24:11 AM

      I am not sure as to how old you are but divorce is something that affects most heterosexual, married Americans, is often considered the worst experience that has ever happened to them, and most of the time gay people had nothing to do with it. I am guessing you are probably a rather young person because most people my age and younger don't even consider it a possibility.

  • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 9:28:00 PM

    I have a question for all the Christians on this board, why not fight against child abuse, or war or poverty instead of being against what tax paying, consensual adults do in their own home?

    • Posted By: mythought @ 09/20/2008 9:41:22 PM

      We do fight for those things and more. We feed the hungry, stand by the bed of people dying with aids, or people dying alone, are first on the scene during natural disasters, in our courtry and foreign countries we provide a means for clean drinking water, agriculture, live stock, medical attention and the list goes on and on. We are dogmatic in our beliefs and felt the need to get involved when you took your sex out of the bedroom wanted it taught in school. But please do not feel offended because we want to teach our children about sex ourselves ... I'm sure just like you will want to teach your surrogate child or ai child when he or she reaches that age. Sex, politics and religion need to stay out of schools and be taught at home.

      • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 9:56:05 PM

        Well I am glad to see someone in the world doing good. I am amused how sex ed in schools was somehow interjected.

        • Posted By: mythought @ 09/20/2008 10:43:51 PM

          Thank you!

          Sex education was interjected because at the end of your question you stated "instead of being against what tax paying, consensual adults do in their own home."

          It was taken on by Christians and others when what was done in the home was taken from the home and in some school districts is being taught as part of sex education and by Planned Parenthood on line. Go to www.downthere.org. This is being paid for by my tax dollars and again as a parent it is my right and responsibility not the governments' to teach my children about sex at home.

          You asked why and I replied.

          • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/21/2008 12:27:48 AM

            Many Christians also support comprehensive sex ed. Many others also realize that knowledge isn't going to turn their kids into a nympho. My best friend was born and raised in Sweden and is still a virgin at the age of 22 years simply because he chose to.

    • Posted By: thundering @ 09/20/2008 9:52:26 PM

      Sorry, misread your post! But let me try again, lol...
      If you believed someone was going to die or suffer, would you try to save them or others from the same fate? So you don't believe some issues are equal to others, but don't knock other people for doing something they believe is saving lives/souls from eternal pain and fire and suffering and what not.

      • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:18:01 PM

        If you must know I am Jewish so I don't believe in doing that.

    • Posted By: thundering @ 09/20/2008 9:48:36 PM

      Probably because this is a board regarding homosexuality, and no one in their right mind could spend 24/7 "out in the field" fighting all these issues. Some people like to relax and browse the internet on occasion.
      The real question is why YOU aren't out fighting those things this second? Oh, that's right... you're not superman or wonder woman...

      • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:15:34 PM

        Well right now I am working on my graduate degree hence I am at home on a Saturday night but I do find time to volunteer at Big Brother/Big Sisters and I also volunteer at my local rape crisis center. I see what crazy things people do to each other (mostly straight people v.s other straight people), every day.

  • Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/20/2008 11:38:45 PM

    You must not have read my full post. I said...We are born gay or straight. Who would choose a life of hate and fear...meaning...With the horrible and demeaning way society treats gays and lesbians, no one is going to wake-up and say..today I think that I will be gay. No, that decision was made at the point of conception. We have no control over our sexual orientation.

  • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:56:06 PM

    For : Pimientita

    I never said they couldn't be saved. And He does accept all, but not all that we do.

    • Posted By: Pimientita @ 09/20/2008 11:37:08 PM

      @getthepoint

      "I never said they couldn't be saved. And He does accept all, but not all that we do."

      Right. Got that. So who are you to pass judgment? Why bother getting up on your soapbox on a freakin newsweek forum? Your savior will supposedly judge each and every one of us based on our individual hearts. So, to put it impolitely, who the *** are you? You say you are supposed to judge, but where does Jesus say that? Does Jesus give you points for every time you make someone else's life miserable? Should they come to Jesus just because their worldly life has been condemned by someone on the internet?

      Do you really leave the judging up to your god or do you take pride in judging in your god's place?

      The Bible (at least in the NT...the OT god is a vengeful, murderous prick, but the bloody sacrifice of JC was supposed to make up for all of that, no?) says that you are not your brother's keeper. You are only responsible for your own salvation. You can spread the "good news," but your god will make itself known (or not...) to it's children. Those who preach it's name (the goats) will not get into heaven as opposed to those who live in the footsteps of the messiah (the sheep...look it up). You can scream all you want and say you are a Christian, but until you do what Jesus did...you are nothing but a self-righteous, hypocritical goat.

      Hate is not a Christian value. Your plank is a 2x4 compared to the speck of dust in the gay Christian's eye. You are not struggling against your hate of the homosexual while the gay Christian struggles every day of his/her life. You have taken the easy way out...the gay Christian will never have an easy way out.

      Congratulations.

  • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 7:23:41 PM

    jjay15 I'm a Christian Republican Lesbian. What I find to be sick and DISGUSTING are poorly educated ignorant low lifes that get pissy on here and can't spell. From experience...the ones who act soooo over the top homophobic generally do so b/c they have the inclination to be gay and hate themselves for it. What are you even doing reading this article if you don't care about gay people? Do us all a favor and go read a book and learn to spell.

    • Posted By: Deeleesa @ 09/20/2008 8:00:18 PM

      wow jj is upset and finds it SICK AND DISGUSTING that some people can't spell? Do you honestly find that more disgusting than a woman carpet muncher? Do you REALLY? LMFAO Oh and jj, I believe that YOU believe you're a "Christian Republican" Thanks for a great laugh!!!

      Remember the FDS!!!

      • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 11:19:36 PM

        Where do I even begin with Deelessa? If you were functionally literate you would see that my name is "GoGatorsJH" and that comment was directed to jj so-and-so who had posted previously. That is not my name. So...before I even read into your comment...I see what level of intellect I'm up against. Yes, I am more disgusted by ignorant uneducated people that "carpet munchers." We save our "disgusting" sexual preferences for the privacy of our own homes but you idiots just come out and flaunt your stupidity openly. The fact that you got so tickled to find out that I'm a Christian Republican Lesbian exposes your ignorance. Simple people tend to have a hard time when people don't fit in tidy little boxes. I AM a Christian b/c I know that Jesus died for my sins and is my Lord and Savior. There is no debating that one...even the hateful Christians will agree with me there. Secondly, I am a republican b/c of my political views regarding foreign policy and the economy. Unlike you, I am able to think logically and not emotionally. Either way...it's Saturday night and I'm heading out b/c I actually have friends. I don't sit on the computer fighting with people I'll never meet b/c I don't have anythings else to do, like other people.
        By the way...I'm not familiar with the FDS. Does that stand for Fugly Deeleesa Society? Nice name...can I buy a vowel? I'm leaving now...If you respond while I'm gone, I'll let you win. Deeleesa is my intellectual superior everyone. She wins....I lose. Haha.

      • Posted By: thundering @ 09/20/2008 9:39:38 PM

        Christian is a very broad term, generally defined solely by the belief that Jesus was God's son and died for our sins; there is a lot of wiggle room within that that you aren't recognizing.
        Secondly you can be an economic conservative and still consider yourself republican (LCR, et al)

        • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 10:01:59 PM

          Well...Thundering "gets it." I definitely AM a Christian as I KNOW Jesus died for my sins just as He did for everyone else. My sexuality does not exclude me from salvation through Jesus Christ. Secondly, I am a Log Cabin Republican due to the fact that I think logically and am not dictated by emotion.

  • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/20/2008 11:12:17 PM

    The Old Testament was wirtten at a time when the world was small. There had been no plages, no wars of significance, no mass eradication of mankind. In short, humans needed to procreate like rabbits. Of course homosexuality was secretive and never discussed; and in fact banned in the Bible. Well it's time for the Christians to drag themselves into the 21st century and realize that we don't need any more people on this planet and the argument for mass procreation is pretty much nil now.

    The Bible is a good book, I have nothing against it. Or Christians. I just can't stand it when they put their values on me.

  • Posted By: mushybrainpoo @ 09/20/2008 6:41:23 PM

    Why is it that only the most inane, ignorant, short-sighted *** on the planet ever post to online message boards? Are you people serious?

    • Posted By: mythought @ 09/20/2008 8:57:40 PM

      You posted too ... right?

      • Posted By: mushybrainpoo @ 09/20/2008 11:09:31 PM

        I knew I had that one coming. Quite observant of you, though. Bravo.

  • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 10:21:04 PM

    As a Christian Republican Lesbian I am appalled by the posts of some of you so-called Christians. Do you hateful Christians know who Jesus dislikes most? It is those that distort His word and misrepresent what He is about. So many of you are just regurgitating things you have heard without actually reading the Bible or having an independant thought. I'm not saying we all have to agree, or even like each other but we should be aware that we are representatives of Christ. Does this sound familiar?... "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto Me."

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:23:56 PM

      Im sorry, what have i said that was hateful.....................

      • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 10:40:36 PM

        I'm sorry Getthepoint...that wasn't directed toward you. It was just unfortunate timing. That was for the people who are being hateful and not respectfully arguing their points. I haven't been following your threads so I can't say that I'm familiar with your stance. I will say this though...I agree with you in regard to your comment above. However, following your logic, God is just as displeased with those straight people that sleep around having one night stands and couples that cheat during marriage. Straight people ruined the sanctity of marriage long before we gays even got a shot at it. So, straight people can't blame that on us...not saying you have. The only unforgivable sin is denying Jesus as your Savior.

        • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:57:54 PM

          you got that right.........................

      • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 10:27:45 PM

        I'm sorry...that wasn't directed toward you, it was just unfortunate timing. That was meant toward SOME of the Christians that are posting, not all. Have a good one.

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:26:23 PM

      and yes, He despises those who honor HIm with thier lips but whose hearts are far from him.....careful, I hear your words, but Homosexuality is far from his heart for mankind.

      • Posted By: Pimientita @ 09/20/2008 10:40:47 PM

        @ getthepoint

        "Comment: and yes, He despises those who honor HIm with thier lips but whose hearts are far from him.....careful, I hear your words, but Homosexuality is far from his heart for mankind."

        Says who? Jesus? I don't think Jesus had anything to say about homosexuality.

        According to Jesus, all we have to do is accept him and we are saved.

        If you want a different interpretation of the scriptures where any one who sins deserves to be tortured and/or killed and/or denied their rights in the US, you might want to start your own church...oh wait...you can do that? I thought that there was only one way. The TRUE way...which way is that? One of over 30,000 ways (Christian only)?

        *sigh*

  • Posted By: Rosalarroza @ 09/20/2008 10:56:42 PM

    is true..i did choose to be HIS CHILD.I just no agree, that, because you are gay, and you feel and wanted and choose to be HIS CHILD cant because you are gay....You still can be his child even if you choose to be gay....

  • Posted By: dunes cowboy @ 09/20/2008 10:34:11 PM

    You hit the nail on the head GoGators. Simply amazing. It wouldn't be so bad if they had just 10% of their biblical 'facts' correct either, but, they never do. They use the bible as their shield so they can stand on their soapboxes and preach crap about others. Personally, I've never known a christian that wasn't really a hypocrit deep down inside. .

    I have this hypothesis - mind you I've never tested it with the scientiific method - but I think people who are homophobic are also very likely to be racist as well. All this goes to show that gays may not actually be the ones that need help here.

    And actually, I don't see one thing in this article that asks for handouts, free healthcare, or for that matter asking for anything monetary at all. And after reading this crap it is entirely understandable why gay seniors are not likely to ask for anything either. How sad is that?

    • Posted By: GoGatorsJH @ 09/20/2008 10:53:51 PM

      I appreciate the comment. I can say that I have met quite a few that weren't hypocritical , including myself hopefully. :) The key to it is you have to admit that you are highly flawed and don't know anything. I learned when I was in my 20's, fresh out of college, that I didn't know s**t. Unfortunately, it's a hard thing to do b/c we always have the desire to feel superior to others. All I know is I'm gay, I prayed and prayed for years that God would fix it and it didn't work out that way. All I can get from that is that He must have a reason for it and I've reconciled my homosexuality with myself and Him so it all works out. Have a good one!

    • Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/20/2008 10:46:27 PM

      Sorry I have the same post on here 3 times..not sure what happened..But with that said ,I do agree with most of what your saying. However, not all christians are hypocrites. Some us do truely believe that Christ was a man of love and peace. What makes bashing someone's faith any different then bashing their sexual orientation?

    • Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:36:22 PM

      Exactly!

  • Posted By: Rosalarroza @ 09/20/2008 10:49:03 PM

    i think one worst sin, as a Crsitian , is do GODS work : JUDGE.I am LDS, and i no agree with this ife style, but is no my place no condem or judge.I just fallow Jesus teaching, WE ALL ARE GODS CHILDRENS.We all have sin in aures hands, litle or bigger, so who i am to said my is less than the others?.Who really belive in HIM should no try to take HIS place TO JUDGE.And he will do acordinly in how he see us as is child and look at aures hearth and what we did in this life.....and si so many things to do...and i no goin to waste my time and condem others...even if i no agree with them...

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:51:52 PM

      there;s a difference between judging others and condeming them. I am supposed to judge. Condemnation is none of my business..................

  • Posted By: Rosalarroza @ 09/20/2008 10:41:52 PM

    I am LDS, and i do aply what they teach us, and i do agree: Brothers and sisters who have same sex orientations, need to be loved and respect as CHILD OG GOD.We no agree in theirs life style, but they still aures brothers and sisters.We love them and respect the.And yes, they do have a choice and we need to respect that,even if we no agree.And that is how i feel.If they need to figth for what they think is rigth, they do have that rigth, and we who no agree have the rigth to do the same.Is sad that theirs sexual orientations choices lead them to a mess and sad life..this a hard issue and complicated.But we, all who really belive in the Gospel off Jesus, we should show respect , love and give them love , even if we no agree....they still my btothers and sister, they are HEAVENLYFATHER CHILDRENS!!!!!!

    • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:48:38 PM

      not everyone is a child of God. He gives you the right to become one, but you are not one just because you are a person. You are however, his creation, and He loves His creation. Your just not HIs child.....unless you choose to be.

  • Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:40:40 PM

    Hey work4play.....now this is serious............ God is not punishing you with all those things you mentioned. He's not the author of those kind of things. On the contrary, He is the one who has made a way for you to be above those attacks and yes, live a healthy life.

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