You know what eers2ya...... let them have that point.. let them be born gay. they still dont have to engage in the kinds of activites that only make thier problems worse, like male to male intercourse for instance. Now if that's what they want, I really dont hate them for it, but please, can they keep it to themselves......
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:35:55 PM
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Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/20/2008 10:34:57 PM
I'm a christian and a republican but I 100% believe you are born gay or straight. Who would choose a life of hate and fear? Sexual orientation is but a small part of what makes up a person. It is hard enough to find love in this world, why should it matter if it is with a man or a woman? My life is complicated enough. I can't imagine needing to know what two adults are doing or not doing in their bedroom. Gay or straight , everyone deserves the right to have the same hopes, dreams, and asperations as everyone else. And the ability to achieve them.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:32:34 PM
I think they're stumped on the judging question.................they've been thinkin on it for a while now
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Posted By: bigotandnarrowminded @ 09/20/2008 10:26:18 PM
Dang the good luck I just knew this being straight thing would pay off someday just look at the great benifeits like health insurance for my wife, and as far as there life partner having to fight for whats theirs in the death of their partner its called a will u can leave a dog one million surely you can leave your gay lover your collection of elton john albums, As for the post by pilot i agee you hit the nail on the head and getthepoint your post are not to bad either
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Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:32:10 PM
Most straight married people in the USA end up financially ruined after divorced.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:29:29 PM
having a will was my first thought too. I wonder why they didn't think of that, they're the smart ones.
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Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/20/2008 10:31:58 PM
I'm a christian and a republican but I 100% believe you are born gay or straight. Who would choose a life of hate and fear? Sexual orientation is but a small part of what makes up a person. It is hard enough to find love in this world, why should it matter if it is with a man or a woman? My life is complicated enough. I can't imagine needing to know what two adults are doing or not doing in their bedroom. Gay or straight , everyone deserves the right to have the same hopes, dreams, and asperations as everyone else. And the ability to achieve them.
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Posted By: Work4Play @ 09/20/2008 10:31:37 PM
I don't know why everyone is so quick to jump homosexuals based on this article. I am a straight man myself and I find it very hard to believe any individual would choose to deviate from the norm and get ridiculed and critisized every day. Who says gay sex feels better? I would think it feels the same as you're stimulating the same body parts. There is a difference between having sex to feel good, and actually being attracted to someone both physically, mentally and spiritually.
Now to those saying, "what goes around, comes around...", I have never committed a single crime, never hurt anybody, stole from anybody, never slept with another man nor have had thoughts to. I work hard to help others, yet I've suffered very many tragic events in my life ranging from deaths of my family in my teen years (parents and brother) to a deadly progressive heart condition that has required 4 surgeries and counting, and I'm still in my 20s! So why would God punish me for all of this? That's right, He doesn't. That's just the way my cards were dealt. So older gays suffering from being alone isn't because God is punishing them, it's because they are denied rights that any human would want.
We are ALL allowed to judge, that's just human nature. But I don't get why everyone gets so offended by people who have sex with the same sex--I'm sorry, but this has been going on since the ancient Greeks and the world still has not ended. It's very easy to point th efinger and put all the blame on one scapegoat, and I feel homosexuals are a huge scapegoat in many of todays problems.
One cannot get AIDS unless they exchange blood or sexual fluids with another AIDS victim, or if they are unlucky enough to get pricked with a needle with HIV. So if 2 HIV NEGATIVE people are having sex, that is not promoting or spreading AIDS at all, and I don't see how it's affecting the world or why God would be so angry over it.
I think a big misconception is that homosexuality is based just on sex. People tend to forget or not realize that there can be a genuine love shared between 2 of the same sex.
My point is...no one hear has walked a mile in GOd's shoes, therefore no one should speak for him and what his judgements are. No one witnessed how the Bible was created. We are simply humans searching for the answer to life--we don't have all the answers! I for one am THANKFUL for diversity in ethnic backgrounds, sexual lifestyles, and political and religious views because it's great to get to know and learn from others--NOT to hate or ridicule.
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Posted By: eers2ya @ 09/20/2008 10:30:56 PM
I'm a christian and a republican but I 100% believe you are born gay or straight. Who would choose a life of hate and fear? Sexual orientation is but a small part of what makes up a person. It is hard enough to find love in this world, why should it matter if it is with a man or a woman? My life is complicated enough. I can't imagine needing to know what two adults are doing or not doing in their bedroom. Gay or straight , everyone deserves the right to have the same hopes, dreams, and asperations as everyone else. And the ability to achieve them.
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Posted By: coexistence @ 09/20/2008 8:44:48 PM
hello everybody,
i don't usually do message boards unless seriously compelled to do so.
upon reading this thread of messages i felt i should give it a go.
i find it appalling that heterosexual people assume to know for "fact" that a homosexual person "chooses" to be said preference. we can not fully understand anybody unless we've walked a mile in their shoes. the "choice" debate is tired and without merit. i'd rather read messages expressing how a homosexual should turn from their natural disposition and come to the light or something along those lines than read another post containing the same old redundant rhetoric about "choice".
we could assume anything about anybody, but at the end of the day that's all it is, an assumption.
i'm not here to change anybody's mind, maybe just give everybody something to think about.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 8:53:03 PM
truth may sound redundant, because it never changes...............once a choice, always a choice.
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Posted By: coexistence @ 09/20/2008 9:00:01 PM
understood, my friend. It's not a choice in the first place, ergo the term "always" is irrelevant. the paradox is that neither of us is correct.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 9:03:35 PM
sorry "friend:, there is always a choice before you take any action...................
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Posted By: thundering @ 09/20/2008 9:20:11 PM
I agree, while we may not choose to have homosexual feelings, we do make the choice to act on them.
Any reasonable person would not argue whether one is born homosexual, because simply there is not enough evidence on either side. I am gay, but I have yet to hear convincing reason to believe I was born this way or even predisposed to be, so I could never make such a claim in good conscience.-
Posted By: Pimientita @ 09/20/2008 10:26:46 PM
thundering;
I don't think it matters. I have a reasonably good feeling that I was born this way (straight siblings...good family life...several gay relatives - whom i saw once maybe twice a year and who weren't out to me until
after i came out).
However, even if being gay were a "choice," that doesn't mean that we can be discriminated against.
Religion is also a choice. Sure, it is especially protected in the US Constitution, but we (homosexuals) are also protected by the 14th amendment of the Constitution (equal protection under the law). Choices are protected and have been from the beginning ("pursuit of happiness"). Owning a gun is a choice and it is protected.
Funnily enough, discrimination based on race (not a choice) wasn't in the original draft...nor was gender..
You have a choice, but your choice is yours and in this country (for the time being) that is good enough as long as your choice doesn't directly harm anyone else.
That is the dream of America. Not a hive mind of theocrats, but a country where everyone can live their lives with everyone else's right and lives in mind. Funny how the theocons want to distort that and still call themselves patriotic.
The Christian Right vision of America is as far away from the ideas of the Enlightenment ideals of the US Constitution as you can get.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 9:53:18 PM
For Michelle:
Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 9:41:28 PM
Comment: I am a heterosexual woman. I was never taught to be hetero and I never made a choice. Even if I would have never had sex I would still be a straight woman. Sexual orientation has so MUCH more than what one does or doesn't do with one's anatomy.
But I guess you don't get the point do you?
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Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 10:26:11 PM
Actually no, it's no choice anymore than having brown eyes or opposable thumbs.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:01:29 PM
wrong.....it does not say "thou shall not judge".....it says," judge not, that ye be not judged". there's a difference. read the next line...." for with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged". That means that when I judge, I will also be judged, and by the same standards.......
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Posted By: rayray13 @ 09/20/2008 9:56:59 PM
It is Matthew 7:1-5, by the way. I also beleive that it states that we should hate the sin not the sinner. As someone that works with the senior popluation, I do not care what the sexuality choice is, I care that each senior receives the care and services that they so deserve.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:13:02 PM
Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:01:29 PM
Comment: wrong.....it does not say "thou shall not judge".....it says," judge not, that ye be not judged". there's a difference. read the next line...." for with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged". That means that when I judge, I will also be judged, and by the same standards....... -
Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:08:20 PM
see below
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:03:51 PM
I never said I hated any of these people.....and i dont.... I simply hate what they are asking me to accept as normal. I dont even care if they accept it as normal...but they should keep that in thier own homes, and not try to push it on others as they say
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 9:58:09 PM
Here's a question about judging one another..... If your getting ready to have intercourse with another person you ask them if they are STD free (sexually transmitted disease). Aren't you getting ready to judge them. If they are clean, then you judge them safe....if they are infected, you judge them not safe. That's wrong in your way of thinking.....you should give equal rights to all......
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Posted By: braveheart123 @ 09/20/2008 10:04:19 PM
DO YOU WANT TO GET STD's??????? Of course you better find out if the other person (better be of the opposite sex, by the way) has std's. Dumb ***!!!
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:11:51 PM
and how bout we start with (better be a person) lets let them get up to speed here
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 10:09:46 PM
hold on braveheart, i know you'd check em out....that comment wasnt meant for, it was for the other dude
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Posted By: benchthis @ 09/18/2008 3:17:14 PM
God never made you gays this way, you choice the lifestyle.
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Posted By: andycat5 @ 09/18/2008 3:27:31 PM
Most gay people had same-sex attraction as early as elementary school. Were they "choosing" a sexual orientation before they even knew what it was?
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Posted By: braveheart123 @ 09/20/2008 10:06:40 PM
No they didn't!! Sick homo.............
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Posted By: science-comments @ 09/18/2008 5:05:52 PM
OMG, I'm having a field day. So following your line of argument, when did you make your choice? Between a homo and a hetero lifestyle? Or are there more choices? Or there is only one (? eh?) to choose from? And why did you make that choice? Did you you make that choice against a backdrop of parental and societal disapproval, if not outright hostility? Or did it simply fell on your lap? Hmmm....
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Posted By: sffilk @ 09/18/2008 3:25:58 PM
No, we didn't.
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Posted By: braveheart123 @ 09/20/2008 10:01:42 PM
What the crap? The only thing worse than a homo is a old one. ugh, i am feeling sick................(runs to bathroom.)
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Posted By: Kawoin @ 09/20/2008 9:37:58 PM
MichelleChemE
THE BIBLE ALSO STATES THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE
How in the world are you going to try to give some true knowledge with BASHING AND SLANDERING.
Are you crazy? Thats like you call 911 for help and they arrive with a bad attitude and rushing you to he point and not wanting to do their job. WOULD YOU WANT TO DEPEND ON THEM?
Think twice before you type or speak. BECAUSE NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU OR TAKE YOUR ADVICE IF YOUR GONNA TURN AROUND AND BASH THEM AND CALL THEM HARSH WORDS!-
Posted By: MichelleChemE @ 09/20/2008 9:58:49 PM
The fact is most self proclaimed xtians don't know the Bible all that well and just say whatever their pastor tells them. I have no idea what 911 has anything to do with this but in my area they havn't been much help.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 9:45:00 PM
tell me, where does it say I shall not judge............find it....... It does say I should judge. It most clearly says that I should judge. It does not say that my judgement on somebody is eternal however....that's Gods business. But I am told to judge a tree by it's fruit. I am told to judge the company I keep. Like or not, those are wise things to do, bible or no bible.
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Posted By: samigurl @ 09/20/2008 9:23:14 PM
Why is it that radical religious individuals in the middle east are considered crazy, but the radical right in our country is just as insane in their thoughts and behaviors. The bible is a book and no one knows that it is the truth or fiction. If you feel that God is speaking to you, well then you are seriously in need of meds and therapy. Gay adults are adults and I have er met one that just woke up one day and decided to be gay or are out recruiting straight people. Porn makes people want to be gay? Really, so show straight porn to gay people and that should straighten them out. Sex is sex and there isn't a lot of difference between straight and gay sex, just a gender swap. Get over it and stop dwelling on who is sleeping with who. Go to church since you obviously need another individual to tell you how to hate and live your life. Common sense works for a lot of people, but I understand that some people aren't bright enough to do it on their own. I love how christians are all so high and mighty and think they are the chosen few and they are the biggest haters on the planet. Studies have also shown that overly religious people score lower on IQ tests and I believe that by the comments posted here that is in fact true. Hey, if you can believe your bible, then I can believe a scientific study.
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Posted By: mythought @ 09/20/2008 9:51:38 PM
Christians love you. Before you speak such hateful things perhaps you should find out what true Christians have done throughout the world for the past 2,000 years ... not people who proclaim to be Christians but Christians who have proof of their beliefs. Why don't you ask a Katrina victim or an Ike victim what a Christian did for them. Or go to Africa and ask an aid patient what a Christian did for them or any other country and ask a village what a Christian did for them. Did these people have to change their way of life for the love and support of these Christians ... no. Did some accept Christ as their Savior ... yes. Why? Because the love of Christ was shown to these people and they loved Him in return.
Live your life as you will because not only does our country give you that right but so does God. But don't HATE me or my beliefs for not agreeing with your choice. I do not hate you and there may come a time in your life when the only friend you might have is a Christian. I hope it is a true one. -
Posted By: Kawoin @ 09/20/2008 9:40:03 PM
Sam girl
NEVER DOUBT THE TRYE WORD OF GOD. BECAUS EONE DAY EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS OUR SAVIOR! AND THAT HE DIED ON THE CROSS TO WASH AWAY OUR SINS
SO PLEASE LEARN TO READ THE BIBLE WITH WISDOM AND FAITH AND FAITH IS UNQUESTIONABLE BELIEF. NOT WONDERING HOW OR WHEN OR WHERE.
GOD BLESS
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Posted By: a man1923 @ 09/20/2008 9:42:02 PM
As a Christ stian or a Christlike person, I wouldn't advocate this lifestyle or say it's ok. However we all have free agency to do as we wish for good or ill. I respect that. Some will be saved in the end, some won't. I just remember Genesis 19, about Sodom and Gammorra. It's not about taxes or fighting for or against causes, we contend with satan in our lives daily. Some days we win, others days we loose. Marriage between a Woman and a Man is part of the Creators plan. It began with Adam and Eve in the Garden. As a teenager are you a consenting adult to make this type of desision?? I wonder??
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 9:41:41 PM
and i dont care what they do in thier home, if they would keep it there. but they dont. they want me to teach my children that its normal, They want me to stop teaching the truth. They want you and me to keep quiet unless we are speaking for them.
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Posted By: getthepoint @ 09/20/2008 9:39:25 PM
here's the sad part.....they think they feel left out and lonely now............wait till they die......they think they are being treated harshly now..........what do they expect in hell.................... these folks have suppressed the truth so long they dont even know what truth is.........they think truth is relevant, and that it changes...............sorry, truth dont change................and truth wont always be there to suit your desires................they cannot fathom that they might be wrong about anything..........
and for Michelle, it's all the same, gay, child abuse, needless war, poverty....none of it is right, and none of it was meant for you and me.
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Posted By: KM521 @ 09/20/2008 7:27:47 PM
Dear WACKO CHATO: FYI - I am a hetero single woman living in "sin" with my long time boyfriend. Hot too, but the fact that you are so tragically fearful and homophobic leads me to believe that deep down sometimes you fantasize about the paper boy...don't deny it. Ever notice how the people who scream the most about morality and homosexuality are preachers or politicians who inevitably are caught in an alley with a tranny? (Foley, Craig, the freak from "focus on the family.") I will keep an eye out in the papers for you....till then, the less panicked you are all about this, the less inclined people are to keep an "eye" on you.
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Posted By: thundering @ 09/20/2008 9:36:26 PM
Don't get angry at people for trying to change something they believe is wrong when it is also part of their lives. The fact that is a personal problem is likely why they fight so hard to address the issue.
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Posted By: CHATO4444 @ 09/20/2008 8:54:32 PM
Yep! My point proven.. Your ignorant and living in sin. No kids, shacking up, and you think you know someting about parenthood.
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Posted By: Kawoin @ 09/20/2008 9:35:50 PM
That's a lil sad. No one wants to be lonely. But people need to try to Change their life from Homosexuality and or lesbian. Because Its not right... God doesn't like it. I know its hard and you feel like the straight people doesn't understand, And Actually trhey dont to be honest most straight men and women are very judgemental and idiots. but alot of Gays and Lesbians are also.. However. God isn't very pleased with it, just like he isnt with Lying Stealing, Cheating, AND SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE AND FORNICATION... With Jesus you wont have to worry about Dieases or losing friends, BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY FRIEND WE ALL CAN HAVE AND LIVE FOR YOURSELF BUT LIOVE IN A RIGHTEOUS WAY FOR THE LORD. Beacuse after al he say If you love me Obey My Commandments Keep them. Dont become disobeint to them. And the dieases he put her on earth wont happen to you. And even if it does happen to you. Jesus HEALS. SO PLEASE take my advice and TURN FROM WICKNESS, EVILNESS,ENVY, BAK STABBERS, BACK BITERS, Go to a church where you can hear from God. Not thing syou wanna hear but things that you dont want to hear, Coz the truth does tend to hurt when its true.
God Bless EveryOne
SINCERELY, QUAN
Columbus Ga
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