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  • Posted By: angel10 @ 09/20/2008 11:07:14 AM

    Some of the decisions made by authorities are terrible. In the California Wild Fires, they forces people to evacuate, and did not defend their homes from fire. However the people they made evacuate were not told they were not going to go in with fire potection and evacaute. Then when the fire has passed they will not let people back in. In another wild fire they will not have the cooperation in the evacuation. People can take care of themselves. We do not need government to do everything. If it had not been for the neighbor hood defending our home, we would have lost our home because the city made a decision that the firemen could not go to a certain area. They sat a block away while the area was on fire. Our neighbor keep going to where the fire trucks and fire men were and they would not come. Does this make the people trust the government? NO!!!
    We do not need the government telling us everything to do. They do not always know best. And when a decision like this is made and the people do not know help is not coming because some city authority made a decision over the fire fighter this is unforgiveable.
    Also the cry that people that stay are bad because some one then needs to come rescue them is incorrect. Many Americans have the ability to take care of themselves, their family and their property with out the government telling them what to do. We need less government and more common sense.

  • Posted By: angel enraged @ 09/20/2008 10:58:20 AM

    People often choose to ride out a storm because they can not afford a hotel room and do not want to put their families in shelters - due to the fact the shelters house "animals" and I am not talking about the 4 legged kind of animals! I personally feel safer facing a storm rather than putting myself in an unchecked enviroment.
    These shelters DO NOT screen the citizens they let in. How can they? This means that drug addicts, theives, Child molesters and all forms of violent people are let in. And the Red Cross expects me to put my babies where?????
    The evacuess from New Orleans were so bad that Houston REFUSED to open shelters for hurricane Gustav. Also, during gustav there were reports of fighting and rioting in the shelters that were opened.
    Thanks, but No thanks! If I can't get out on my own, I'll take my chances with Mother Nature thank you very much!

  • Posted By: oneeye20 @ 09/20/2008 10:54:17 AM

    After watching the looting in New Orleans, with police officers participating, it's obvious that we are responsible for protecting our homes and property.

  • Posted By: jazzbo65 @ 09/20/2008 10:53:03 AM

    No matter how one chooses to describe these individuals (infirm and elderly aside) there is only one accurate term that covers them all: stupid. You want to be stupid? Fine. But who do you think pays for those first-responders and helicopters when you have to be rescued from your own stupidity? I and all the other taxpayers don't want to have to pay for your moronic behavior. So, what agencies need to do is bill these idiots when they need to be rescued. Maybe knowing that you're going to pay through the nose for being an idiot will move these people to action even when logic doesn't.

  • Posted By: adachase @ 09/20/2008 10:51:09 AM

    Talk about a bullseye, I'm from Pensacola, Florida. I was born and raised there and I understand why some don't evacuate. A lot of times the weather channels and the news spread a bunch of hype about the storm terrifying everyone into a state of panic so that you do evacuate only to not be allowed to go back home for days. Mind you, I do understand it is a neccessity sometimes, but not all the time.

  • Posted By: Papa T @ 09/20/2008 10:47:44 AM

    It's our right to choose. We, as Americans, have free will and don't like the "guvmint" telling us what to do. Ivan came up my back yard. I walked out in the eye of Erin and saw blue sky I watched my neighbors oak tree develop a permanent lean-over from Opal. My roof still had not been fixed from Ivan when Dennis hit and that's the only time I evacuated but I only sent my family away. I stayed. Why do we stay? It's ours. We buy it. We fix it up. We repair it. We maintain it. We stay to make sure its' safe and start the repairs. We protect it from the looters (yes - thieves that would profit from other's loss are alive in well in the US of A. The first week after Ivan there were over 70 arrests in Pensacola - and those are the ones that were caught.) Why didn't Davy Crockett leave the Alamo when certain death was over the horizon? Why did Danielle Boone carve out a nitch in the wilderness under theat of Indian attack? Why did people stay in San Fransisco and Anchorage after they suffered huge earthquakes? We are the Americans that have left our ancestral heritage in the old world and have fully rooted ourselves in this country for the freedoms it offers. We don't look for handouts - we help others. We work our jobs and pay our taxes. We trust in God and not in politicians. We believe half of what we hear or read in the press and are sick and tired of every story being an editiorial instead of reporting the news. We defend our country with our blood and believe everyone should serve in some way even if just a few years. And when the opportunity arises, we spit in the eye of the hurricane. But I will admit, that the last time I did the Tornado attraction at Universal Studios after Ivan my palms got sweaty because it was a 20 second flashback to an all-night event of riding out the storm. I'd ride out the storm again but I don't think I'll pay money for that experience.

  • Posted By: zacksmom @ 09/20/2008 10:32:22 AM

    I live in Wilmington, NC. We have lived through Bertha, Fran, Bonnie, Dennis, Floyd, Charlie, Ernesto, and most recently Hanna. We are a big bull's eye for the path of hurricanes. It is usually late before we actually receive evacuation orders. During Floyd, we did evacuate - we drove to Virginia before we found a hotel room. People are driving like idiots, the weather is horrible; tornados start spawning. When we were able to go back home, our house was fine, but we were robbed. Unless you live in a flood prone area, evacuation is not always the best choice.

  • Posted By: littlecub @ 09/20/2008 8:37:49 AM

    I agree with having to pay for rescues under mandatory evac notice and I also think they should lose any govenrment aid. Yes, we pay taxes but those tax dollars are to cover emergencies, not stupidity. Our taxes would have to go up and its not just about money. Becuase you chose to ignore a mandat. evac. order, you are now placing other people lives in danger to rescue you. Two thoughts on the pet thing. People can evac with pets most of the time, our county took in over 500 pets and boarded them for free, including pets on buses. The second thought is that I love my pets and would be heart broken without them, but losing a pet and losing a life are 2 different ,though painful, things. A pet's life should not replace a human life. I had to leave my large dogs when Rita hit and my home was severely damaged. Due to precautions I took beforehand, they survived the storm. Its time to use our brains and think about our actions and the consquences they will have instead of doing what we want and expecting someone to bail us out. I'm speaking from 16 years experience of rescue, EMS and disaster relief.

    • Posted By: swimlady @ 09/20/2008 10:26:58 AM

      Please contact Noah's Arc next time or other pet rescue agencies so your dogs are not left behind to possibly die a death by drowning.

  • Posted By: swimlady @ 09/20/2008 10:23:02 AM

    People often stay because shelters will not accept their pets. For millions of Americans their pets are family members and they will not leave them behind. Case in point, the American Red Cross--not one of their shelters accepts pets. The city of Miami has a wonderful program for pet owners and provides shelters where the owner can go with their pets.

    Until such time as the Red Cross changes its policy (and stops spending most of its money on admin costs rather than assistance) not one red cent from me.

    Signed,

    Not without my pets

  • Posted By: onceshy @ 09/20/2008 9:42:49 AM

    First to all the people who decided to stay and ride out the storm and then decided it was worse then you thought, just keep in mind all the lives that you put in danger. All the families that had loved ones who had to attempt to go in and rescue all of you because you decided you knew better then anyone else. I think you should all have to pay for the expenses that were used trying to get you to safety, and then I think you should spend time in jail for ignoring manditory evacuations. Last time I checked manditory meant you had to. Second, all of you who stayed and made it through the storm, God was looking out for you, but once again I think you should go to jail for ignoring a manditory evactuation notice. Third, all of you who stayed and had children with you, should not only go to jail for ignoring manditory evacuations, but also for child endangerment. Shame on all of you I did not realize your children were worth so little to you that you would put them in harms way. Last, all of you who stayed and lost a loved one to the storm, I am truly sorry for your lose, but shame on you for trying to take on GOD and thinking you could win, and you too should go to jail just like the rest of them. Maybe if these people were arrested for not obeying then there would be less of them apt to stay when told to leave, and maybe there would be less lives lost for foolish reasons.

    • Posted By: El Jefe @ 09/20/2008 10:22:58 AM

      As someone who did ride out this storm and who suffered minimal damage, I have to wonder if most of the comments here are from people who live in hurricane-prone areas. Everyone has to make the decision to evacuate or not evacuate for themselves, no matter what the authorities order or suggest or recommend. For every time that they declare a mandatory evacuation and are correct about widespread damage, there are dozens of times that the hurricane doesn't strike the evacuated area, strikes a very small portion of it, or does mimimal damage that really doesn't put anyone at great risk. Nothing can replace personal responsibility...knowing the risks and preparing for them wisely. As storms approach my location, I assess their strength and make a decision. Up to a certain strength, I stay...primarily to do damage control in the middle of the storm. Yes, that's possible...if there's a hole in one part of your roof, you can save a lot of possessions simply by moving them to another room. Above that strength, I get out of there...there's no point in trying to do damage control to a pile of kindling. And anyone who thinks the authorities should just conduct neighborhood sweeps and jail everyone who stays behind is not living in the real world. People would hide when they see the police coming (which most of them don't do now). Would you have the police break into every locked home and search it to see if anyone is there? And how would you handle the DOZENS of SWAT situations that would inevitably develop? There wouldn't be enough police or National Guard to handle them, and how do you deal with a SWAT situation (which usually takes hours and can take days) when a hurricane is bearing down? If you want the government to do something that would make people more likely to leave, end the foolish restrictions on returning to stricken areas for people who can prove they lived or worked there. Turn off the power, check ID, warn them of the dangers, and let them in. People will be more likely to leave if they know they won't be ordered to stay out of their homes for weeks after the storm passes.

  • Posted By: chipbag66 @ 09/20/2008 9:53:17 AM

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  • Posted By: roadkill1965 @ 09/19/2008 6:41:54 PM

    Did anyone else feel chills up their spines at the quote "Children are considered wards of the state?" Wow. I always felt that the government stuck its nose way too deep into our familys' personal business, but that thought is terrifying. Can anyone say "big brother/"

    • Posted By: Mammabee48 @ 09/20/2008 9:52:45 AM

      I wanted to write to the idiot that said children are "wards of the state". Of course, they are NOT. But children have rights and the adults that care for them should be charged if they "endanger their lives". Children cannot choose to evacuate; so if their parents or guardians do not leave under a mandatory evacuation order and the child is injured, they YES, they should be charged with child endangerment. Children have a right to live and to be safe. Check out "Children's Rights" at any government website.

    • Posted By: Mammabee48 @ 09/20/2008 9:48:00 AM

      I wanted to reply to the idiot who said that children are "wards of the state". Of course they are not. But children have "rights". They are young and helpless so someone must take care of them. If that someone endangers their life (neglect, abuse,etc..) then the government has a responsiblilty to protect that child and their rights. Children don't make the decision to stay or go. They rely on the adults who care for them. So, if the adult endangers themselves AND the child; then, yes, they do deserve to get a "child endangerment" charge.

  • Posted By: lilpinksock @ 09/20/2008 9:24:39 AM

    deeser: The majority of our country (and most other places around the world) with the highest population density is by water. Living by water offers a lot of resources: fishing, transporting of goods, fertile land for crops, etc. No one "allows" anyone to build in these places, it is simply what happens with new settlement. I would like to add something to this article. Sometimes people do not evacuate when they have cars, gas, and means because there simply is not enough road capacity to accomodate everyone. I know of people who spent over 24 hours on the interstate trying to evacuate. because there s89



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  • Posted By: splash @ 09/20/2008 9:16:30 AM

    First I'm thinking, Mr. Mayor Nagin needs to go. I think he means well and wants to do the best for his community, but I think his perception of how people will respond and react to his information and how he presents it is not acceptable.
    Maybe 2ND, the communities could get a lot more organized.
    How about a disaster plan that helps to usher people in a coordinated evacuation so road ways don't get impassable. Split up the communities in a grid and designate certain areas to mandatory evacuation on certain days leading up to the predicted day of certain disaster. Send out or publicly announce via all means of communication, ALL residents of the specific grid areas will be me evacuated on September 18, 2008 voluntarily or via arrest and removal starting at a specific time. NO MATTER THE EVACUEE'S PERSONAL CONDITION HEALTH OR FINANCIAL status. Have a bus, paddy wagon, ambulance and etc., go house to house on pre-specified days and move em. Utilize the Health care emergency management planning for SAFE areas. Another facility not in the "facing certain death" areas. Have the roadways managed by designating certain routes evacuee's take @ a certain time and keep it moving.
    I guess it's a plan that takes minute things into consideration, and it does take choice out of the scenario, but, it does allow life after and at least the people will live to sue for damages or collect on all the insurance payments they 've made over the years.
    I just think that our emergency evacuation plans need to be more forceful and with more pre planned support of our community emergency response teams. They could staff accordingly because they would know specifically what would be expected.
    There's so much more that could be done.

  • Posted By: scroissant @ 09/20/2008 8:49:11 AM

    littlecub, are you in Texas? I am. If you get through on the phone they give you a number. Guess what? it doesn't translate into a hotel room. The Red Cross and the Salvation army have provided nothing in Central Texas, no cots or bedding (people are forced to sleep on dirty floors or in their wheelchairs), no food or water (other than crackers), no medical care and no one to talk to. They won't even let the press in. They are lettiing sex offenders get in and their have already been arrests including one for sexual assault of a child. Basic needs are not being met. People are not being treated with dignity. 325,000 people are homeless, haved asked FEMA for help and they aren't getting it.

    • Posted By: Spooot @ 09/20/2008 8:59:40 AM

      And where are you getting your information from? When we opened the shelter here in our town for Katrina evacs. Our townsfolk got together, church, orgs, and citizens to make sure these people were taken care of. They were cooked 3 meals a day and given all the personal hygiene items they could ever want. There were those few that did't like anything that was cooked for them, they didn't like the bedding they were given, they didn't think they were being taken care off. One person threw his plate of dinner on the floor and said he wasn't eating that carp. There will be those that don't like anything being done for them. I find it hard to believe that people in a shelter have no water or food. Where is the community? Why wait for Red Cross or FEMA? We didn't.

  • Posted By: deeser @ 09/20/2008 8:52:17 AM

    Why and who allows building on an island that has a history of natural disasters. Our money from insurance and tax dollars should not be spent on people who disregard common sense and exhibit ignorance.

  • Posted By: scroissant @ 09/20/2008 8:41:42 AM

    There are still millions without power and running water, hundreds of thousands without shelter, drinking water, food, or gas. The spread of mosquito borne disease has already begun. This is a national catastrophe but as far as the media and the federal government is concerned it's yesterday's news.

    • Posted By: littlecub @ 09/20/2008 8:47:47 AM

      Then they need to find someon and go to a shelter. If they chose to stay in the affected areas, they do so at their own risk. Shelters all over TX along with FEMA agreed hotels are still taking people in, all you have to do is go and ask someone or head to a working city with a REd Cross or Salvation Army. There are enough disaster personnel in affected areas now where you can find someone and they can get you a ride out if you have no money to evac. Its what they do.

  • Posted By: scroissant @ 09/20/2008 8:36:23 AM

    Please who are making these comments have the money and the means to leave. As people in Texas have discovered, the shelters are shutting down, the state won't let them go home, and FEMA will not provide housing assistance. There are now 325,000 homeless people who have asked for help. Some are probably wishing they had never left.

    • Posted By: Spooot @ 09/20/2008 8:47:22 AM

      Shelters are short term for emergency stiuations only...where are their families? I'm not without compassion, but families should step up in these situations, it isn't up to the gov't to continue to shelter us. As for being wealthy, not by any stretch, but I do have alternative plans if I can't come home. What the heck has happened to family bonds? Why does everyone think the gov't should be their cartakers? I just don't get it.

    • Posted By: littlecub @ 09/20/2008 8:44:55 AM

      Actually the first buses we unloaded in central TX were the poor, elderly, and handicapped. It required no money on their part and no prequalifiying paperwork was done. As for shelters closing, the goal is to close shelters and move people to shlters closer to their home or to get them into hotels. Fema is covering hotel rooms and to find out which hotels are participating int heir programs you ned to go femaevachotels.com. People have to be registered with FEMA first which they can do at a shelter, Red Cross office or by phone. There really is no excuse for not having a place to stay. If you are having problems with the system, you need to go talk to someone. If there is no on where you are at, then you must not have evacuated lol. Oh and the Salvation Army is covering food and clothes...so all your basic needs are being met.

  • Posted By: BPANTE @ 09/20/2008 6:42:27 AM

    They left out one reason, my reason. Once you leave, some government bureaucrat gets to decide when you can return to YOUR home. I don't expect to get rescued.

    • Posted By: lineboss01 @ 09/20/2008 8:38:54 AM

      Thats BULL and you know it, when the water raises and your in danger your going to call.Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: gladys33 @ 09/19/2008 6:18:13 PM

    Could another reason be, the hassle, trying to get back to their property, after the storm? This has got to be irritating to evacuees...if their house is still standing, they can bring their own water, food...just let them get back.

    • Posted By: Spooot @ 09/20/2008 8:38:00 AM

      There is a reason for not allowing people back in, SAFETY!! The crews have to be able to get into those ares to clean the trees out of powerlines, and to get the power back up and running. They can't do that with people attempting to get back in. My son works for such a power company that has been on crews to put powerlines back up after a storm like Ike. It isn't easy with people in cars sightseeing, the danger to those same people that want o get back in with powerlines lying across the roads.

      And not to mention those same people that want back in are the same people that are cussing and threatening these guy attempting to get power back on for these folks. Of course we shouldn't be back in until the all clear is given. We made sure to call the sheriff's office after Rita to see if we could come home, they gave us a time that we could return and when we were allowed we came back. The reason they gave us? Powerlines down and lying on the roads, some can't be seen for the trees lying on them. Now do you want to drive over one of those or accidently walk on one while clean debris? I don't, I will heed the warnings, I have children and grandchildren that love me and want me around for a few more years, they are my first concern, not my STUFF.

    • Posted By: polar224bear @ 09/20/2008 5:55:30 AM

      I agree that we should be allowed to return as soon as we get back, sometimes the utilities are not back up though. People don't think "I can't flush a toilet", or "I can't get gas to run a generator", or better, "If I get hurt clearing debris!, like slicing my arm open on some sheet metal, is there somewhere to go to get help?"
      Many people, like the scout that's ALWAYS prepared can go it alone, many a survivalist can too, but that's not the mainstream of the population, who needs a cold soda and entertainment weekly or a ballgame to get their lives back in order, and letting the cleanup take care of itself.
      We evacuated for Hugo in 1989. Closest hotel?Charlotte. It crossed us that same evening at 97mph. Next morning, trees down, no power, gas etc. We concluded we could live like that at home so we came back.
      Loaded as many groceries and batteries as we could in our Sentra and headed home.

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