A Gloomy Vista for Microsoft

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  • Posted By: blinkdt @ 09/21/2008 11:37:43 PM

    "I have had to buy a new camera, scanner, printer/fax to be compatible with my laptop."

    jordine4: You're joking, right? Why on earth would you need a new camera, in any event? And I have yet to find a scanner or printer that does not work famously with Vista, despite the Apple hype to the contrary. In fact, all legacy printers that I have hooked up to Vista machines install automagically, quite nice. Only hardware I have found that has been problematic is wireless adapters, and only because the manufacturers are too lazy to write the driver ("buy our newer version!").

    And what the heck are you doing shopping at "Best Buy?" "Worst Rip-off" is more like it. Once you know, you newegg.com, my friend.

    • Posted By: karl langer @ 09/22/2008 6:22:28 PM

      I have to agree I didn't buy any new equipment to work with my Vista PC. Its obvious this is a very inexperienced user he must use his mouse as a foot pedal.

  • Posted By: Late2bass @ 09/22/2008 9:48:17 AM

    Whining about Vista is so last year.

    Vista works great, users tend to be the issue.

    • Posted By: karl langer @ 09/22/2008 6:20:45 PM

      You must be a novice user.

  • Posted By: Shihaluud @ 09/22/2008 6:12:31 PM

    I have been running Vista for over a year now and I love it. I did have minimal performance issues when it first came out, but, no more than XP did when it first came out. All you need to do is ensure you have all the latest Windows updates and don't skimp on the memory (It's so cheap nowadays why would you want to anyway?)
    Most of the people I have spoken to hate Vista and they never even gave it a chance, they just hear done of their friends complain and they jumped on the hate wagon. I am looking forward to the future of Vista as it is shaping up to be a fantastic operating system.

    • Posted By: karl langer @ 09/22/2008 6:17:46 PM

      You must not turn on your PC or you think all the bugs are normal. BTW Vista is a repackaged Server 2003 and nothing will change with that until Windows 7 release in 2010 or 11.

  • Posted By: karl langer @ 09/22/2008 6:15:27 PM

    I'll have to say Vista is highly problematic I purchased a Mac for my daughter to use at school and its like night and day. My next upgrade will be a Mac machine

  • Posted By: ben (bts) @ 09/22/2008 6:05:55 PM

    I use Windows XP at home, and just started to use Windows Vista at work. I am an Excel power user, and was very pleasnntly surprised to find that Excel 2007 actually runs about 2x faster under Vista, and I think this is because memory management is better under Vista. And the same for the internet explorer!

  • Posted By: Wolfsnout @ 09/22/2008 6:05:12 PM

    I have received a Sony laptop as a gift. Yes, it has Vista on board. I have been a Mac user for years until my last one died of overuse. I was a radio show host in the Bay Area (S.F.) and I used my Mac for producing and editing my shows before air time. I would also use it to record downstream sounds, interviews for clips to add to my program. With Vista, all of that came to an end. I can no longer record to my hard disc via internally. For simplicity, I used to go to the local library and use their computers that were running XP. I found I could download my sound clips onto a flash drive using Audacity. I now have an expensive laptop at home with Vista and I still have to run down to the Library. Point is, "Microsoft, fix this. If you do, your world of sales will change"!. Dissapointed but not giving up, I have been searching Craigs list to "swap" computers. I look forward to having a Mac again. I really got used to Vista and found it sort of like a Mac. If I could get Audacity to work I would shout to the world how wonderful Vista is, until then.....

  • Posted By: Louisiana Man @ 09/21/2008 12:40:28 PM

    You must be a MAC biggot. Thr problems you describe wiith the CEO's laptop and the fix impy a hardware problem. The software never began to load. He spun it to look like VISTA when,k in fact, it was his box.

    I have Vista on threee systems and could not be happier with it and IE.

    I have one old laptop that has XP and that's all it can handle. Older, slower systems still need XP.


    • Posted By: sfobear @ 09/21/2008 12:43:18 PM

      The point here is why should you have to have more powerful hardware to run an OS?? The OS is supposed to serve the applications, not the other way around. That is what pisses me off most about MS. They keep writing code that takes more and more resources that could go to the applications and that makes no sense at all.

      • Posted By: thosfiore @ 09/22/2008 5:49:37 PM

        The thing is that the same is true for Apple computers. You can't run OS X on older machines because it requires more resources than they have available. One thing that Apple has done is to limit the hardware that will run their OS so that they have a more controlled environment in witch to operate; the up side is that it works better, but the down side is that they set the price and it is higher than that of a comparable PC.
        I haven't seen any studies showing that it's less expensive to support Apple vs. PC (probably because Apple still doesn't have the market penetration in the business environment), but just taking a glance at Apple's web site I can see that the cost for a desktop or laptop is at least 30-40% more than the cost for a Dell desktop or laptop. Without some real solid proof that there are significant productivity gains with the Apple machines I wouldn't want to be the one to suggest that we increase IT expenditures by 30% so that we look cooler.

  • Posted By: pteicholz @ 09/22/2008 5:37:28 PM

    I am a Vista Ultimate user on a dual quad Intel laptop with 2 meg of memory. The OS loads slowly, but other than that, it has performed flawlessly. Everything I have tried (devices and programs) have worked fine. Performance is also excellent, at least for my needs. I have also had no security problems using Windows Live OneCare which protects and optimizes the machine. I previously had multiple programs for these services. So, my feeling is that the OS is doing well, though the public perception could be improved.

  • Posted By: CybScryb @ 09/22/2008 5:36:55 PM

    The most important line is in the next-to-last paragraph. If you must run Vista, run it on a Mac. We're running Vista with bootcamp on more than two dozen iMacs with much better performance than on a PC. Microsoft will continue to slip as there has been little vision for the company and the current economic adjustments will finally force companies to demand hardware and software with a product life cycle longer than two years.

  • Posted By: us2insanmarcos @ 09/22/2008 5:28:28 PM

    My biggest issue with VIsta was the fact that I couldn't load and use certain software. It took me 3 days to get my new laptop to cooperate with me after loading software I needed for my job. Fortunately I am fairly tech savvy, but I was disappointed with the herculean effort it took to get the darn thing to work right. And, there is still one piece of software that I cannot use as it conflicts with Vista and causes IE to stop working properly, which as we all know means Windows stops working properly.

    Other than that, Vista seems to work well, though I don't see any significant advantage to using it vs. XP. Knowing what I know now, I would have insisted on XP for my laptop. It would have saved me a lot of headaches, and I bet I'd be running all the software I wanted on it.

    Note: the software in question is Sprint wireless web. Ido have WiFi, but if I am away from a hot spot I need to access the Internet remotely, and cannot do that now.

    Also the hot sync software for my Treo 755p is not compatible with Vista. I have to sync it to my old desk top pc which runs XP to back up files, and re-enter contacts into my laptop which runs Vista.

  • Posted By: mpoole32 @ 09/22/2008 5:21:01 PM

    This man clearly explains the fundamental problem with Microsoft.

    http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2008/09/what-advertisin.html

  • Posted By: west coast guy @ 09/22/2008 5:08:45 PM

    Having used Windows since Windows 3.1, I have to say that the complaints about Vista are quite ludicrous. I'll admit it wasn't a smooth transition from XP to Vista for me, but since SP1 it's been fantastic. Also you'll always have problems when switching to a new OS. I remember owning a Mac and having OS 9 on it and then having to switch over to OS X, it was a nightmare. Nothing was compatible with it and there was barely any software support for OS X it's first year of launch. I've also heard complaints from friends of mine who own Macs when Apple switched to Intel, there was a lot of incompatilbilty problems on that front because older software that ran on OS X Tiger would no longer work on OS X Leapord. But because Microsoft has a larger user base and people love to hate Microsoft, you hear the complaints more frequently.

  • Posted By: thosfiore @ 09/22/2008 5:07:31 PM

    I'm running Vista and for the most part it is fine. I upgraded my computer from XP to Vista and there were several things, mostly VPN client software, that I couldn't use anymore, but that has been corrected over time. My biggest problem is that I have a Pentium M instead of a Duo Core or Quad so the operating system easily pegs out the processor to 100%.
    I can see how people can have issues with Vista and it has taken a long time for the product to get to where I consider it stable, but does work and it is far more secure of a product than XP was. With that said, I don't see any really compelling reason for a company to move away from XP; there is nothing all that earth shattering in Vista that I couldn't live without.

  • Posted By: drvax @ 09/22/2008 4:33:39 PM

    Ok, so let me get this straight.. A CEO hits the power button on a laptop loaded with Vista, and that???s Vista???s fault?? Ya, ok.. Then the genius hit???s ^-alt-del?? Ok, so the power isn???t on and he???s hitting the kb.. Smart.. I've been running Vista Ultimate on 2 Laptops and PC at home with no issues at all.. Problem is these vendors are making garbage for systems and don't test them as well as they should.. That's one thing the dictator (jobs) at Apple has going for them. The CAN control the hardware and software, I'm sure all of MS's partners would love that.. If it does'nt work, bang on the hardware vendors doors..

  • Posted By: dsmb2007 @ 09/22/2008 4:29:01 PM

    I'm certainly not an expert at OS or computers, but I love my new HP with Vista. I actually own a boutique design firm, and while my designers all use Mac's, I wouldn't use one for administrative purposes or web development. The Mac's are down far more often than either my desktop or my laptop, and if it's a serious problem, I have no one around who can fix the machine. The closest Apple store is 100 miles away. I've owned both for over 10 years now, and although Mac's do have the 'cool' aspect, I don't see how they are 'better' in any sense. Again, I'm not an expert on the details, that is just my opinion from using both types of machines. That being said, I have seen issues trying to put Vista on an older machine. But if anyone is looking at the newer models, I think Vista is definitely the way to go.

  • Posted By: hestia_m @ 09/22/2008 4:27:31 PM

    My guess is that the laptop that wouldn't turn on had been in sleep mode. This is a well-known problem outside of Redmond, even with SP1. Even when the machine powers up correctly, it takes too long. On the campus where I take classes part-time, I see students walking around the campus all the time with their laptops open, looking like a bunch of ridiculous waiters.

  • Posted By: cassivella @ 09/22/2008 4:25:45 PM

    People like Microsoft operating systems because when something breaks with the software (or the hardware, for that matter), you can actually do something about it. Apple is a monopoly - until really recently, you had to buy all your hardware from Apple, get your hardware fixed by Apple, etc. I've run computing departments at a major university. When our Windows computers went down, I can do something. When the Mac computers went down, the only thing to fix them was to re-image the software (meaning you lost everything on the computer). Vista's only drawback for me is that it is attempting to save customers from screwing themselves - something Mac has prevented for years by not allowing its customers the ability to do squat to configure their hardware or software. Unfortunately, there are people out there who need protected from themselves. For those of us who like to tinker, Windows is the only way to go.

  • Posted By: ist816 @ 09/21/2008 1:39:22 PM

    Vista's problem can be summed up simply: Vista does nothing better, faster, simpler or more reliably, running on the same hardware, than the opertaing system it was designed to replace. After 25 years of working with Microsoft operating systems, I can safely say this is the worst release the company has ever made. My clients seem to agree - they are universally opting to "downgrade" to XP when they purchase new machines for their businesses and are converting home machines back to XP at their own expense - if they are not simply purchasing Mac's. Microsoft will need to make sure that they do not make it "two in a row" with Vista's soon-to-appear successor - even a company as large as they are cannot afford to make this kind of mistake twice.

    • Posted By: rcfoulk @ 09/22/2008 4:23:44 PM

      Microsoft touts the total number of copies of Vista sold but in reality it does not count in that the number of people who have been allowed to "downgrade" after purchase as well as business use of Open Licenses which count as Vista sales but allow at no cost the installation of the earlier operating system - XP. That's what our clients are doing now that XP cannot be directly purchased or costs $99 for the downgrade.

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