A Gloomy Vista for Microsoft

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  • Posted By: Steve_Y @ 09/21/2008 8:56:54 PM

    First off, a thought to chew on: Let us not soon forget the Macintosh is, technically a PC.

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    It seems like there was two schools of thought between that is currently being produced and the earlier Gates/Seinfeld Ads. It's almost as if there was duplication of effort. Could the current campaign been thought up by a different team than the Gates/Seinfeld ads? Well, it seems that way.

    The underlying message of the 2nd set of ads seems to continue to tow-the-line message of the Mojave Experiment, one of Peer Pressure, and "You judged too soon". Mojave received the negativity because the underlying message in two words was: "You???re dumb". I foresee this backlash to continue throughout the $300MM campaign until Microsoft makes a concentrated effort to own up to their mistakes and invest substantial resources to rectify it. This concept would be bold, but I refuse to hold my breath. Concepts of "Pride" and "Full Speed Ahead" are possibly too deeply engraved in the DNA of Redmond. Such action would run opposite of ANYTHING ever witnessed from the company.

    From a user perspective, if people have to go through the motions of re-learning basic OS tasks, and abandon all previously obtained knowledge of approaching and completing tasks, the user might as well try something new, shiny and also offers (at minimum) existing functionality. So it's not surprising that the high end of PC market is eroding to the OSX/Mac platform!

    Macintosh allows the user ability to run OSX alongside XP. Running legacy XP/Vista OS and associated applications (Yes, I did tag XP/Vista as Legacy) under Parallels/VMWare provides this.

    I don???t know. If this continues, I imagine people would start asking Apple to release an ???Open Version??? that will run on all hardware. Indeed, if things continue as they have, It???s not that difficult to imagine.

  • Posted By: jinx101 @ 09/21/2008 8:54:51 PM

    That's a hardware problem and not an OS problem. It's convenient for HP to blame Microsoft when they sub-par hardware fails to work. I switched to Vista a few weeks ago on 4 different PC's and haven't had a problem... I also don't buy sub par hardware from companies more than willing to point fingers at convenient targets instead of themselves.

  • Posted By: Bob_Lewis2008 @ 09/21/2008 8:40:29 PM

    Well, I just bought two HP laptops in the last 30 days running Vista and have experience the startup problem. I had a chat today with HP Tech support and their response was the same as this article. Remove the battery,hold down the power button for 30 seconds, plug back in the a/c cord and push the power button to start up. Seems they still haven't fixed the problem from day one! I can't believe that we put up with this...

  • Posted By: Master Guru @ 09/21/2008 8:32:11 PM

    It is unimaginable that Newsweek actually allowed this biased article be published in light of the author, none other than Fake Steve Jobs....aka...Dan Lyons. It is Newsweek that now looks like the fool...

  • Posted By: raysbike2@comcast.net @ 09/21/2008 8:31:38 PM

    I guess I am an "early adopter". I tried Vista when it was a beta version, and was annoyed at how some windows would open behind others leaving you waiting for a program while it was waiting for input from you. I bought a new laptop from Dell that Christmas with a "ten dollar upgrade to Vista" deal. I couldn't get Vista to work on that laptop when Vista was finally available. I recently bought a Macbook and was dual booting with Vista Basic, but Vista is just too painful to use after using OS X Leopard. I removed my Vista partition and I an now using OS X exclusively. I tried to like Vista, but it is "user hostile".

  • Posted By: animaitrix @ 09/21/2008 8:03:45 PM

    As somebody who came into the graphics world in '88, I was proudly "PC-free since '93"...well, until 2007 when I discovered certain advantages to being 'OS bi-lingual", I can tell you, personally, both Vista and OS 10.5 have been problematic, particularly for people like me that use certain legacy apps for their artistic work. Personally, I long for the halcyon pre-X days when Macintosh was playful and fun, not like now, when it is so very SERIOUSLY hip.

  • Posted By: SpirtTribe @ 09/21/2008 12:27:17 PM

    People that don't like Vista must have really slow computers, I'm sorry I have to be honest. People that don't use the imbedded Internet Explorer must not know what good programming is. I'm running Windows Vista at a 1920x resolution on my 2003 Inspiron 8600 laptop for my 21/20 vision, it programmed seamlessly without a single hitch and I believe runs Everquest 2 magically Vista over XP better, if you get my point. I am proud of the name Microsoft chose for their latest OS, I am a Spanish speaking Mexican.... Vista stands for Vision in Spanish. Right now my live 3d internet desktop temperature readout says 69 degree, Las Vegas, NV. WOW!
    .... and it only cost $97 US on pricewatch.com OEM. :D :D :D LOL!

    • Posted By: Brotherman7 @ 09/21/2008 7:45:51 PM

      When it was advertised Vista requires Revised Windows Vista requirements more clearly demarcate Vista-capable from truly Vista-ready. According to a Friday post on Microsoft's Windows Vista blog, a Windows Vista-capable PC should have: "Modern processor (min. 800MHz); 512MB system memory; [and] DirectX 9-capable graphics processor." A Windows Vista Premium-ready PC would need: "1GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor; 1GB system memory; Support for DirectX 9 graphics w/ WDDM driver, min. 128MB graphics memory, Pixel Shader 2.0 [and] 32 bits-per-pixel; 40GB hard drive with 15GB free space; DVD-ROM Drive; Audio output [and] Internet access." The latter is need for product activation.

      http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/how_much_oomph_does_vista_really_need.html

      RAM is not the issue. The software fails too much, for too much money, and it is too invasive.

  • Posted By: ranekaa @ 09/21/2008 7:38:28 PM

    You know how Microsoft was going to stop selling XP earlier this summer? Amazon.com didn't seem to get the memo: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Professional-FULL-VERSION/dp/B00022PTI4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1222040694&sr=8-2 (Full Disclosure: I bought a copy of XP Pro earlier this year, just to have a spare copy on hand for my next laptop.)

  • Posted By: ranekaa @ 09/21/2008 7:38:12 PM

    You know how Microsoft was going to stop selling XP earlier this summer? Amazon.com didn't seem to get the memo: http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Professional-FULL-VERSION/dp/B00022PTI4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1222040694&sr=8-2 (Full Disclosure: I bought a copy of XP Pro earlier this year, just to have a spare copy on hand for my next laptop.)

  • Posted By: Brotherman7 @ 09/21/2008 7:37:15 PM

    Windows Vista Ultimate User
    Google Earth Does not work
    PDA sync, does not work with Dell Axim X51v (constantly getting dialogue boxes saying such)
    Install 2.5 inch USB hard drive, software can't 'see' it.

  • Posted By: realneil @ 09/21/2008 7:22:23 PM

    I run 64 Bit Vista Ultimate on a Quad Core Computer with 8 Gigs of RAM. It is fast and has no driver problems like people sometimes complain about. It works flawlesly and I'm happy with it.
    I also have 32 Bit Vista on another quad core with 4 Gigs of RAM and it's a DOG! It has problems all of the time and it never stops! Both computers are new and have quality parts inside, but the 32 Bit Vista is gonna have to go. So it's either back to XP Pro (I already own a few copies of) or save awhile for the totally too expensive but reliable 64 Bit Vista Ultimate for the second computer.

    Vista is both good and bad and the good is barely worth the incredibly high price.

  • Posted By: ToeKnee @ 09/21/2008 6:35:50 PM

    "... 89 percent of users surveyed claim to be satisfied or very satisfied." I can believe this because for those who are dissatisfied, it's easy to install XP and wipe out Vista. Those who do that would no longer qualify as Vista "users" and therefore would not be surveyed. Damn statistics.

  • Posted By: chulk90 @ 09/21/2008 6:34:24 PM

    phoenixfilmwks // What are you talking about? a Mac does NOT come with an XP. You have to install your own copy of windows.

  • Posted By: chulk90 @ 09/21/2008 6:33:48 PM

    phoenixfilmwks // What are you talking about? a Mac does NOT come with an XP. You have to install your own copy of windows.

  • Posted By: phoenixfilmwks @ 09/21/2008 6:19:49 PM

    SEATTLE, Sept. 21 (UPI) -- Some of the images in a new Microsoft commercial that shows a wide range of people boasting "I'm a PC" were created on Macintosh computers, an analysis claims.

    Computerworld says that the originating

  • Posted By: phoenixfilmwks @ 09/21/2008 6:05:53 PM

    "Mojave experiment"-big joke just like Vista. Vista cannot activesynch. Which means toss out your PDA. Also Wista comes with a word program (trial) to keep it you must pony up $450.00. Load XP in place of Vista? Do that and the warranty on your laptop is VOID. Suggestion: buy a new Apple and XP comes with it.

  • Posted By: astralan @ 09/21/2008 8:46:39 AM

    I build an occasional computer for friends. The last one wanted Vista. So, I spec'd out hardware that had the Vista Capable logo on it and put it together. I installed Vista with only a few annoying problems and installed all the applications they wanted on it. I burned it in then handed them the key (board). Two months later is on my bench again; Vista wouldn't boot. They had done a windows update and it just died. I used the Vista dvd to boot up and tried to do a repair, but that didn't work. I couldn't even get it to boot into safe mode. After numerous hours, I got a call from my friend and they just told me to purchase XP and install that. Problem solved. old me to purchase XP and install that. Problem solved. I put Vista on my system several times and within 3 weeks go back to XP. One time I was running Vista on one vid card and decided to purchase a second. Put in the additional vid, and Vista had a stroke. I have been working in computers 15 years and I even prefer 98 or OS/2 over this. It's not stable. It nags you all the time. I spend more time fixing it than using it. It's just wrong.

    • Posted By: Josh 1940 @ 09/21/2008 5:43:27 PM

      Exactly same thing happened to me when an automatic download of SP1 crashed the hard disk. I was able to revive it by booting with my XP disk .... (see my earlier post). Update: The India based Microsoft technicians promised a "level 3" US-based technician will call me newxt week. Whoopie!!!

  • Posted By: macosxp @ 09/21/2008 5:14:32 PM

    You know why HP is forced to make their slim LInux basic booter OS thing? Because people will not stand to wait for Vista (or even XP depending on hardware and how well the OS has been maintained). They will use Linux altogether or they will switch to Macs. Because when you have a Mac, you're up and running from cold boot in less than 20 seconds. Another thing: Macs are not more expensive than other PCs. If you've ever looked at other all-in-one designs or XPS laptops and configured them to be the same as Apple products you'll see that often the Mac will be cheaper. And look much sleeker and run much better. Microsoft is SO 1990s.

  • Posted By: cjsperl @ 09/21/2008 4:57:42 PM

    It looks nice but I am far from impressed. The biggest annoyance for me has been the incompatability of my Photoshop eduting program. The second annoyance has been that automated tapping feature. I like my XP much better.. My next one may be a MAC

  • Posted By: David in Cali @ 09/21/2008 4:03:00 PM

    The article, good in many ways, gives the impression that the preference of Mac over Windows is because of a perception of coolness: Mac has better PR. More significant, and the real reason why so many Macs may be seen in business class, is because it is a superior product.

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