Why McCain Loves Misha

I was recently in Russia at the time of the Georgian conflict. I too heard stories that Russia was provoked and that Saakashvili was reckless in his actions. Granted, Russia did seriously overreach. I do not however support Georgia becoming a member of NATO. NATO is a defensive alliance requiring it's members to come to the aid of a member who is attacked. Georgia in reality brings very little to the table for the United States interests other than their friendship. Their joining NATO WILL provok Russia, period!!! Russia has always throughout it's long history, tried to buffer itself from threats (or perceived threats) in their south just like we have tried to protect ourselves from threats (or perceived threats) to our south. Remember studying the Monroe doctrine? How about Theodore Roosevelt's corollary (logical extension of) the Monroe Doctrine. Sounds like a form of current Russian policies to me. Crack open your history books folks.

We and Europe need to work with Russia more than we need to work with Georgia. Our interest is Georgia is limited to the pipeline that crosses Georgia. South Osetians appear to want to be part of the Russian Federation, and sooner or later, that's going to happen. In the end all Russia ended up getting was a very poor part of northern Georgia that wanted to be with Russia anyway due to their ethnic ties. Russia also scared the daylights out of the other former republics like the Ukraine. This overeaching action on their part will drive a number of the other pro-western, former USSR republics into the western camp. Adding Georgia to NATO and then going to war with Russia over a territory like South Osetia does not sound like a very prudent move in the grand sceme of things. Relations with countries are NOT writeen in back and white. At times they are colored in shades of gray and it is high time we start to recognize and deal with this reality.

What McCain likes to do is blow things up. He is not much interested in diplomacy. Right now, considering the "bailout" and all the money we taxpayers are on the hook for, diplomacy costs much less than war. McCain's running mate asserts that war with Russia over Georgia is worth the cost. Neither one of them has the common sense to run the country.

My suggestions to the author is to do his home work. Here are some of the references for his and others review:
1. MOSCOW TO LAUNCH WAR OPERATIONS AGAINST GEORGIA IN LATE AUGUST Source: http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2008/07/05/9984.shtml
2. MOSCOW READY FOR MAJOR CONFRONTATIONS WITH PRO-WESTERN GEORGIA AND UKRAINE Source: http://jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=427&issue_id=4530&article_id=2373158
3. MOSCOW ORCHESTRATES WAR SCARE IN SOUTH OSSETIA Source: http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=427&issue_id=4579&article_id=2373282
4. MOSCOW MADE PLANS MONTHS AGO TO INVADE GEORGIA< FELGENHAUER SAYS Source: http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/2008/08/window-on-eurasia-moscow-made-plans_14.html
5. DID RUSSIA PLAN ITS WAR IN GEORGIA? Source: http://www.rferl.org/content/Did_Russia_Plan_Its_War_In_Georgia__/1191460.html

McCain is not mistaken. He knows well how dangerous is resurgent Russia.
MOSCOW TO LAUNCH WAR OPERATIONS AGAINST GEORGIA IN LATE AUGUST
Published on JULY 5, 2008. Source: http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2008/07/05/9984.shtml
Informed source inside the intelligence service of the Caucasus Emirate reported to Kavkaz Center news and information agency that the Caucasus intelligence has received the confirmed operative information about upcoming military operation that Russia will conduct against Georgia.. Putin had made the political decision to launch war operations even before Medvedev was elected president of the Russian Federation. After the castling from the Kremlin to Duma the plans concerning Georgia did not change. Sources of the Caucasus Emirate intelligence services reported that intense preparation for a war has been underway on all levels for the past several months. Bringing Russian railroad troops to Abkhazia is a part of that scheme. Putin is directly in charge of the preparations for the war. Operative information points at the fact that the main objective of the war operation is to seize the Kodori Gorge and to optimally weaken Saakashvili's regime or to overthrow Georgian President Saakashvili. If the political and military situation during the war operation to seize the Kodori Gorge is successful for Russia, then the plan implies that the war operations get spread across the entire territory of Georgia involving total destabilization of the situation all across the country and de facto disintegration of Georgia. The war operations are supposed to start in the period between August 20 and September 10, 2008. The beginning of the war will be preceded by the increase in the intensity and the number of clashes between Abkhazians and Georgians, and a series of provocations involving human casualties on the territory of Abkhazia as well as on the territory of Russia. According to one of the scenarios, a large-scale terrorist act is supposed to take place in Sochi, which Georgian secret services will be blamed for. The operation will have the nature of blitzkrieg. Offensive operations involving forcing the Georgian troops out of the Kodori Gorge are supposed to be completed within 7 to 10 days since the start of the operation... Moscow has used its operative channels to make a deliberate information leak for Washington about the inevitable military operation against Tbilisi. In the Kremlin opinion, at this time the escalation of military tensions in the South Caucasus and especially in Georgia would be extremely disadvantageous for the United States???

I'm afraid McCain will involve us in another unnecessary and ill-conceived war if he became president, because of his lobbying and other connections to Georgian president. We cannot be all things to all people (we're not all Georgians!). We have to take care of our own people (the unemployed, the laid off workers, the people losing their homes to foreclosures, etc) before we start meddling in what's not our business!

If Obama is to blamed for every Democrat's illegal activity, then McCain should be sent to jail for Abramhoff, Randy Cunnigham, Scooter Libby, Rep Foley, Senator Larry Craig's misdeeds.

Comment: Another McCain idiot! Yo, dumb ass, I'm a college graduate, Harvard. How about you? McCain school of lame.

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Bush has an MBA from Harvard

I have a certain amount of respect for Russia - what it has accomplished
and its potential and its people.
I even have a certain grudging respect for Putin and Medvedev.

Tip: Get rid of the bellicosity.

If you behaved more like Britain and France then the issue of
Georgia joining NATO would probably not be on the table.

Great discussion on CNN Saturday night with five former Secretaries of State: Kissinger, Baker, Powel, Albright and Christopher (3 Republicans, 2 Democrats for those of you who've forgotten) . Each and every one thought that McCain's statements on Georgia were wacked. Powell could barely hold his contempt. All agreed that Russia was provoked and that Saakashvili was reck;less in his actions.

The deal is that we need Russia more than we need Georgia. Our interest iin Georgia is that that pipeline crosses South Osettia, which is why the ethnic region was divided into North and South and South was given to Georiga. But South Osetians want to be part of the Russian Federation, and sooner or later, that's going to happen.

In the meantime, the West needs Russia as an ally against Iran and North Korea. McCain's statements were reckless and ill advised. And not al all presidential.

Last time I checked, Georgia was an sovereign independent country.
As such does it not have the right to make decisions to enter in
to treaties and international alliances(without outside interference)?
Surely it does.

Saakashvili called for the admission of Georgia to NATO. NATO is a defensive alliance.
South Ossetia has been internationally recognized as belonging to Georgia.

Georgia was conducting military operations on its own territory and the Russians
magically" showed up with hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops.

KInd of like the country of Mexico intervening to protect Mexicans in California.

4. Joe Lie-berman has said that "John McCain would be the Best in a War Crisis based on his Experience" Not True, John McCain would have Started (Nuclear World War 1) and Noone Will ...WIN !!
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If WWIII transpires,it won't be the US who starts it.

bush does not want to start [Nuclear World War 1]

Some of you, act as if this is E.European ragga Muffin Country is the Southern State of [Georgia] when its... NOT

Go Fight for them and that Nut Saashkavilli...

Saashaskavilli Started it and this is what he gets.....

He wanted to Involve NATO, The United Nations & United States States and he now Suffers for his Misjudgements.

He should've waited until Oct 31, to Sneak Attack and Kill Hundreds, because he thought, this would Help Himself, Georgia and John McCain, but as you all can SEE, it is actually Helping Obama, because The Bush Administration is actually using Direct Diplomacy, You see Condoleeza Rice In France and Georgia.

Russia has one of the Largest Stockpile Nuclear Weapons on the Planet, Our Military is Spread paper Thin and Russia Supplies the World with Oil and Gas and that Includes the USA. We are in debt with the Chinese and after the Olympics, China is going to make it's presence felt on the Georgia_Russia Crisis and it will Not be with US....

especially after the One Sided Media Stance of America.

You guys had better Visit Sites like...

BBC.Co.Uk

NPR.org

Reuters.com

PBS.Org

You have got to be kidding Me !!!

1. McCain's Foreign Policy Advisor an Very Recently is a Former Lobbyist for (Georgia) is right there in the Thick of Things.

2. John McCain's Campaign stated that if a War Conflict were to Occur, it would Help Mccain..it will Not Now.

3. George W. Bush & John McCain made a Very Bad Choice in Choosing Hot Headed Saashkavilli as their (War Instigator-Tool) Because Bush's Administration are in fact using Direct Diplomacy and Not Force and have said, Military Force is Not in the Equation...Sorry

4. Joe Lie-berman has said that "John McCain would be the Best in a War Crisis based on his Experience" Not True, John McCain would have Started (Nuclear World War 1) and Noone Will ...WIN !!

Everybody in this (Conflict-Crisis) has Used Direct Diplomacy and as Obama has said, when asked, regarding this conflict, he said "We Only have One President at a Time"

Opposed to Hot Head Semi-Senile -John McCain !!

NPR.org, August 13, 2008

Saashkavilli Made a Serous Blunder, If he were going to Attack and help Semi-Senile John Mccain, he would've been WISE to doit on Oct.31st just before the ELECTIOn...

But Hot Headed Oppourtunist SaashakaVilli Spoiled that Badly Laid Plan and Oh by the Way....

NATO membership is O-U-T OF THE QUESTION !!!
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili's leadership in the war with Russia has sparked both Praise and Scorn.

His supporters describe his actions as courageous while detractors say he used catastrophically bad judgment. The American-trained lawyer has enjoyed strong U.S. support but may have ignored Bush administration warnings when he tried to recapture the separatist enclave of South Ossetia.

Saakashvili, now 40, won the presidency of Georgia in 2004 on a platform that stressed regaining control of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, two regions that have been under the control of ethnic separatists since the early 1990s. The separatists had the support of Russia, which has provided them with aid and troops who were part of a peacekeeping mission.

Condoleeza Rice Provided Warnings......

Saakashvili had American support, reinforced by a visit to Tbilisi in July from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The visit came at a time of rising tension between Georgia and Russia, and Rice took a tough stand, saying Russia had to be part of resolving the problem "and not contributing to it." Bush administration officials recently told The Washington Post that Rice privately counseled Saakashvili not to use force in his efforts to regain the separatist areas.

Source:www.bbc.co.uk and www.reuters.com

Despite Western governments' public statements of support for Saakashvili, some Western diplomats now privately say that the Georgian leadership or military made a serious and possibly criminal mistake last week by launching a massive barrage against the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali, which inevitably led to major civilian deaths and casualties.


Big Note: Russian officials have said 2,000 people were killed in the Georgian offensive, a figure that has not been confirmed independently. But it is indisputable that large numbers of civilians were killed in and around Tskhinvali.(Reuters)
We're Americans.

We like to divide up opponents in any conflict into Good Guys and Bad Guys. Since reality tends to be more complicated than that, we can easily be misled by politicians and media pundits whose personal agendas are served by telling us which are the Good Guys and which the Bad Guys.

Russia has agreed to "stand down" (NYT); and Georgia has apparently filed a lawsuit against Russia in in the International Court of Justice for ethnic cleansing. (Newsmeat; Examiner.com) But Russia made similar claims against Georgia when it went into South Ossetia. Is either side telling the truth? Are both?

Both sides have traded accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Russia has accused Georgia of killing more than 2,000 people, mostly civilians??? The claim couldn't be independently confirmed, but witnesses who fled the area over the weekend said hundreds had died. (Examiner.com)

During the course of trying to fit together the pieces of the media jig-saw (speaking of trust, lack of), a number of quotes snagged my attention.

Yesterday, Vladimir Putin said:

"The Ferocity in which the actions of the Georgian side were carried out cannot be called anything else but genocide, because they acquired a mass character and were directed against individuals, the civilian population, peacekeepers who carried out their functions of maintaining peace." (BBC News Key Statements)

Sashkavilli is a [Maniac] !!!!!

He's a Twisted [War Manger & Antagonizer]

The Georgians Started this Conflict and Sashkavilli was told by the Penatgon, Bush & Rice to Not Attack S. Osettia and his Crazed A!! did anyway, knowing full well, the Russians has Peace keeprs there.

The Coward did it, in the middle of the Night, Unprovoked and his Cronies paid the Damn Price.

All you so called [Georgian Sympathizers] take your A!!es over to that E. European Hell Hole, along with those [[War Mongering Low Lifes] and Enlist in their Cause.

Because Only John "We're All Georgians Now" McCain and Sashkavilli feel you should...

Call me, when Russia tries in Invade the Souhern State of [Georgia]


Like Ron Paul said, we should stay out of Other Countries Affairs and leave them alone !!!


Or we can Expect the [1st Nuclear World War] in our Lifetime and Noone will [Win] that War and Millions will Suffer...

That Mad Man [Sashkavilli] should be Dethroned and Semi-Senile John McCain, should never be President...Period

If it wasn't for nuclear weapons and the instinct for self preservation, then Russian tanks would
already have rolled into the Ukraine. That and the obcene cost of conducting modern warfare.
No, wait...the Russians would exact that from the Ukrainians after taking over that country
but it is a mitigating factor..

I don't believe that is what mcCain is advocating. If there is a war between the US and Russia
(if it doesn't somehow get triggered accidently) it will be Russia or Iran or both, and both those
countries leadership where the blame will fall.