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  • Posted By: News and Notes @ 09/24/2008 2:46:16 PM

    While I am not a Palin supporter, I found this article to be an angry, sensationalistic, exaggerated, unfounded, subjective, irrational personal attack. As a democrat I was embarrassed.
    In my opinion this anger should be directed at Barack Obama for making the perilous error of putting Biden on the ticket instead of Hillary. When Biden himself says Hillary might have been a better candidate, and he contradicts the Obama campaign regularly, that is a problem.
    I don't think McCain every thought Palin had the credentials Hillary does. However, his selection was successful, because Palin is a constant reminder of Obama's terrible judgement of not selecting Hillary.
    Let's give a chance for Palin to conduct interviews, debates, press conferences, etc. to prove herself, or not. She hasn't done many interviews yet, and it will be a problem if that continues, but let's see what happens. Is she a reformer who can separate political policy from personal and religious views? Stay tuned.

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/24/2008 5:44:40 PM

      News & Notes, Saying Hillary might have been a better choice is sort of like saying the cat would be better than the dog to watch our steak. Given that Hillary & Bill had a very controversial investigation over some questionable dealings, and Joe Biden, himself has, according to reports,failed to pay campaign expenses amounting to approx. $150,000 from his failed run for president, then there is the live broadcast recently, where Biden made the comment that "In 1929, when the depression began, and the market crashed, President Franklin D. Roosevelt went on T.V. and made the announcement to the public." Maybe Mr. Biden should go read his history book, because in 1929, Herbert Hoover was president, and there was no television. Yeah, we want someone in the White House, who could become the president should anything happen to Obama, who doesn't even know his history well enough to know who was president when the market crashed which started the depression, and that he could not have gone on T,V. that did not exsist. I'm surprised he knew what year the market crashed. But, according to some he is smart. All I can say is I sure hope somone is who get into the presidential office.

      • Posted By: News and Notes @ 09/25/2008 11:06:26 AM

        Hillary was the only reasonable choice Obama could have made, in fact, Hillary would have made a better nominee. Yes, she has some baggage, but one could find baggage in just about anyone, including McCain. Hillary has diverse experience and competenece, and she is brilliant, tough, hard working, and has an exceptional and detailed understanding on a broad scpectrum of issues. You may not agree with her policy views, but she can state, defend, and implement them better than anyone.
        Biden is a windbag. Obama is underexpereienced, scripted, and has terrible judgement.
        Getting back to the article, the far left, party elites, and the DNC that pushed Obama over the top to the nomination. Clearly the article was written by a crazy far left lunatic, and it is an angry, hypocritcal, vicious, personal attack that only serves to award undeserved sympathy for Palin. It is a horrible article.

        • Posted By: star3 @ 09/25/2008 3:46:16 PM

          News & Notes, you are absolutely correct in your post today, and I can find nothing there to disagree with. Your assesment of the candidates and of Hillary are right on target. No, I do not agree with many of her policies, but there is much to admire, also, and I agree she would not have been nearly as scary as either Obama or Biden. But maybe that is why Obama was nominated, was because he can be manipulated by the powers that be in the Democratic party, and Hilllary could not.

  • Posted By: marksgershenson @ 09/25/2008 3:38:44 PM

    Here is the actual code for the flag saluting. To all of the people who take things out. This comes from the US embassy...Chapter 10, Sec. 171
    All the states, at one time or another, have enacted laws relating to the United States Flag. Whereas the Federal Flag Code does not provide penalties for certain conduct or may not govern certain practices, state laws often do. At the national level, the Federal Flag Code (Title 36, U.S. Code, paragraph 170-178) provides uniform guidelines for the display of, and respect shown to, Our Flag, and conduct during playing of the National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. The Code is designed 'for the use of such civilian groups of organizations as may not be required to conform with regulations promulgated by one or more executive departments' of the federal government, such as the armed forces. The Flag Code does not prescribe any penalties for non-compliance nor does it include enforcement provisions. Rather, it functions as a guide to be voluntarily followed by civilians and civilian groups.

    While the Code empowers the President of the United States to alter, modify, repeal or prescribe additional rules regarding the Flag, no federal agency has the authority to issue 'official' rulings legally binding on civilians or civilian groups. Consequently, different interpretations of various provisions of the Code may continue to be made. The Flag Code may be fairly tested: 'No disrespect should be shown to the Flag of the United States of America.' Therefore, actions not specifically included in the Code may be deemed acceptable as long as proper respect is shown.

  • Posted By: pastol @ 09/25/2008 3:34:34 PM

    careerdaytrader, don't ever go to a ball game. You will loose your mind. The place is crawling with "freaks".

  • Posted By: trublu @ 09/25/2008 3:30:17 PM

    Probably the best writing and thinking I have witnessed in a long, long time. It gives me hope that there is intelligent life left in America.

  • Posted By: ksskidude @ 09/24/2008 9:47:13 PM

    Star3
    Atheist's simply do not believe in god's or anything supernatural. You ask what is the point of being moral if you don't believe that there is life beyond this one. Kind of a silly thing to say don't you think? Morals do not come from religion or beliefs, they come from observations over periods of time. People thousands of years ago realized that killing someone was not a good thing, because it meant than they too were open for murder. I don't understand why xtians think that they have the only keys to be moral. So if there was no god, are you saying then taht you would rape and kill and steal, just because? Do you really need a magic man in the sky to tell you that those things are wrong?
    I have plenty of hope as an atheist. I have hope that my daughter will grow up and have a wonderful life, fall in love, and have children of her own. I have hope that one day science will discover cures for terrible diseases like cancer and ALS. I have lots of hope. I feel sad for you star3, that you will waste your whole life believing in a fairy tale, believing that you will live forever. How arrogant you xtians are!

    • Posted By: star3 @ 09/25/2008 3:27:07 PM

      First of all, the idea that God lives in the sky is a very childish one, and most people stop thinking that way by the time they reach puberty. I am not trying to covert anyone to my beliefs, and will appreciate if you show me the same curtsey. Thank you.

    • Posted By: JEM1024 @ 09/25/2008 2:35:21 PM

      You moron... do you believe in the morality of a radical terrorist? If you do, I would think you have a problem. If you do not, then I think you would have logically to conclude that your argument is pure fallacy. If a society or a group of people so deem that a terrorist attack on innocent people is moral then how using your logic do you contend that it is wrong. Before you type a comment, maybe you ought to sit back and think through your logic to the end.

  • Posted By: Jeff Hardy @ 09/25/2008 2:23:43 PM

    I too feel that ???the prospects of a Palin administration are far more frightening??? (???When Athiests Attack??? September 20, 2008). I consider what McCain did by announcing Palin as his vice presidential running mate to be as much an act of terrorism as had he strapped on a vest filled with explosives and walked into the White House.

    The reckless act of seating a novice where only a highly-skilled political co-pilot should help navigate our country through ever more volatile and complex times is not that much different from putting a child in the pilot???s seat of a packed airbus as it flies through a turbulent storm system.

    McCain is NOT a maverick; he is an outlaw.

    Bush is a maverick; ever since 9/11 he has been waging an individual rebellion against the US Constitution and any country that has oil worth the blood of our sons and daughters.

    McCain lives by his own rules and is throwing the grossly lacking and long-outdated US Constitution???s vice president eligibility requirements in our collective face. Like Burton Alvord, another Arizonan who in 1866 became widely known as the ???Lawman turned Outlaw???, McCain has taken unconscionable liberties with our Constitutional liberties to the breaking point.

    Outlaw McCain and the Sundance Kid are now perilously close to winning the most powerful office in the world. Frightening.

    jhardy@NoHiddenPatient.com

    • Posted By: careerdaytrader @ 09/25/2008 3:06:33 PM

      Than I vote for the OUTLAW vs an idiot Obama who will ruin our economy. Go OUTLAWS !!!

  • Posted By: ronnie8365 @ 09/25/2008 2:20:47 AM

    Posted By: HarleyisHere @ 09/24/2008 7:44:53 PM
    Comment: Hey TRAITOR, Obama just wants the "rich" to pay their share, who's crying for a free ride now...A$$HOLE!

    I'll let the great Rush Limbaugh school your ignorant ass Harley.....

    "Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush???s tax cuts, according to a new," according to the Congressional Budget Office. You know what this means? (Raspberry). It means zilch, zero, nada. The rates, which were reduced from 39.6 to 35% have resulted in "the rich" paying an even bigger bite of the total federal tax bill than they were paying when the top rate was 39.6%, which the Times has to begrudgingly admit but deep in the story.

    "Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened..." It has not, and we had the story last week. The gap between rich and poor has remained statistic for a number of years. It's another myth that is out there. But so what if it has? When has it not? Where is the law that says the poor are supposed to be as rich as the rich? Would somebody give me that law of physics or economics or any other law? Somebody explain this to me. These are stupid presumptions made by a bunch of Marxist liberals, all for the purposes of exploiting class envy. Middle income, middle income groups, families in the middle fifth of annual earnings who had average incomes of $56,200 in 2004, saw their average effective tax rate edge down to 2.9% in 2004.


    But that's unfair. The rich are only paying 35%. That's not fair. The middle class is getting 2.9%, that's not fair, that's okay, but 35% is unfair?

    • Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 09/25/2008 2:53:11 PM

      The only thing "great" about Rush Limbaugh is the amount of money he pays his numerous doctors for his prescription pain medications.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/25/2008 2:57:46 AM

      And you actually believe that drug-addled gasbag?

  • Posted By: Doglover @ 09/25/2008 9:21:22 AM

    Thank you Sam Harris for eloquently articulating what many of us think and fear about Sarah Palin. The news media has given too much attention to her showmanship and not enough to her qualifications to run for the second highest office in our nation. Polls show "people like me" (senior citizen, female, caucasian) are enchanted by Palin. I think I should wear a T-shirt stating my opposition to her. I am a strong spiritual believer that God expects us to work for what we believe in so I will do my part to support Obama for president!

    • Posted By: not-fooled-by-slick-talking-charlatans @ 09/25/2008 2:45:27 PM

      Just make sure you don't wear any Obama supporting gear to the polls when you go to vote because the voting staff won't let you in the door. Wearing anything visible that supports a candidate is considered "campaigning".

  • Posted By: Jihan @ 09/25/2008 2:40:35 PM

    A well-reasoned analysis with an absolutely absurd title. This piece could have been written by an intelligent priest; it has nothing to do with Harris' athieism. Yet the choice of title makes it look like nothing more that anti-religious ranting. And he's not "defending elitism" -- he's defending intelligence and thoughtfulness. Sorry Newsweek editors, you really dropped the ball on this one.

  • Posted By: pastol @ 09/25/2008 2:34:15 PM

    I have no doubt that I am not alone in my stance of total agreement with Mr. Harris. There was much slander towards Obama in the form of calling him a "Rock star", but now that Sarah Palin has obtained that status, it seems to be OK. The talk about Obama's lack of experience continues while it would be difficult to find someone with less experience than Palin. There are those that believe that Obama will turn this nation into a socialist country. But the Bush administration has beaten him to it. We all own a piece of the nation???s largest financial organizations today, and we weren't even allowed to say yes or no to that ownership. George Bush graduated at the bottom of his class yet we elected him president. Now we stand ready to repeat that mistake again with yet another underachiever and a clueless person at his side. I agree 100% with Sam Harris. I am insulted by Mr. McCain???s dim view of my ability to recognize a selfish sophistic tact.

  • Posted By: Jeff Hardy @ 09/25/2008 2:23:10 PM

    I too feel that ???the prospects of a Palin administration are far more frightening??? (???When Athiests Attack??? September 20, 2008). I consider what McCain did by announcing Palin as his vice presidential running mate to be as much an act of terrorism as had he strapped on a vest filled with explosives and walked into the White House.

    The reckless act of seating a novice where only a highly-skilled political co-pilot should help navigate our country through ever more volatile and complex times is not that much different from putting a child in the pilot???s seat of a packed airbus as it flies through a turbulent storm system.

    McCain is NOT a maverick; he is an outlaw.

    Bush is a maverick; ever since 9/11 he has been waging an individual rebellion against the US Constitution and any country that has oil worth the blood of our sons and daughters.

    McCain lives by his own rules and is throwing the grossly lacking and long-outdated US Constitution???s vice president eligibility requirements in our collective face. Like Burton Alvord, another Arizonan who in 1866 became widely known as the ???Lawman turned Outlaw???, McCain has taken unconscionable liberties with our Constitutional liberties to the breaking point.

    Outlaw McCain and the Sundance Kid are now perilously close to winning the most powerful office in the world. Frightening.

    jhardy@NoHiddenPatient.com

  • Posted By: alicelarocca@yahoo.com @ 09/25/2008 2:20:25 PM

    This is the scariest article I have ever read. I am grateful that it was published in Newsweek rather than a tabloid magazine. I recommend people rent a copy of the film "The Rapture."

  • Posted By: rightlyso @ 09/25/2008 1:38:40 PM

    Sam, it would be easier if you understood the physiology of belief. Emotion is the basis of memory. Memory is the basis of perception. The defense of self-identity s the prime factor in personality maturation. The fragile personality expresses ego as the idealization of the limited capacity of immature development. Such illusionary ideas of perfection are identified as God. Palin, and Bush speak to god, converse with God, and are God in their own psyche. Such ideas require group support, defense mechanisms, reinforcement, and a culture of acceptance. It is not ignorance, but conviction that rejects objectivity.

  • Posted By: hpmsnell @ 09/25/2008 1:12:40 PM

    What the hell guys? Mr. Harris has put together an incredibly astute criticism of the role religion???er magic plays in Sarah Palin???s conceptual framework upon which she will influence international, economic and social policy, if elected. Instead of using the puerile ???guilt by association??? tactics as employed at FAUX NEWS, Mr. Harris actually examines and analyzes what makes Palin tick as revealed in her shocking expressions. It is an important article for voters to consider. And then you at NEWSWEEK go and reduce the article???s attractiveness by entitling it WHEN ATHEISTS ATTACK ???? Like I said. What the hell?

  • Posted By: cincinnatimom @ 09/25/2008 1:09:39 PM

    Thanks for saying what many of us have been thinking.

  • Posted By: MatthewSt Louis314 @ 09/25/2008 12:52:28 PM

    Well written! Many of us have been marveling for years how odd it is that so many people celebrate mediocrity. Sarah Palin is the epitome of that mindset. Why any reasonable thinking republican would support her pick is beyond my comprehension. Her supporters are either clueless or immoral.

  • Posted By: MatthewSt Louis314 @ 09/25/2008 12:52:12 PM

    Well written! Many of us have been marveling for years how odd it is that so many people celebrate mediocrity. Sarah Palin is the epitome of that mindset. Why any reasonable thinking republican would support her pick is beyond my comprehension. Her supporters are either clueless or immoral.

  • Posted By: hpmsnell @ 09/25/2008 12:44:07 PM

    Nice title NEWSWEEK. If one wants to find

  • Posted By: steadycat @ 09/25/2008 12:00:02 PM

    I liked this article because it reeked of truth. Thanks, Sam.
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  • Posted By: steadycat @ 09/25/2008 11:57:18 AM

    I liked this article because it reeked of truth. Thanks, Sam.
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