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  • Posted By: wageekrn @ 09/21/2008 10:59:41 PM

    Amazing....

    Sam, allow me to answer your question for you about why Americans are so leary of elitists. (Although if you were anywhere near as intelligent as you believe yourself to be, you wouldn't need me to explain this to you.)

    Being extremely knowledgable does not translate into being a great leader. In fact, it can often hinder it. When someone thinks they know it all, and becomes dismissive, or worse, insulting, of the opinions of others, their ability to lead and inspire goes out the window.

    Your analogy of looking for elite neurosurgeons does not hold water. Neurosurgeons are paid to do one thing only. Elected office is another matter entirely. People are voting for someone to REPRESENT THEM. And guess what genius...a condescending, amoral, self-centered, know-it-all like yourself DOES NOT REPRESENT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. That is why elites have nearly always been shunned on the national politcal stage.

    See, for a smart guy you're really quite dumb to need a simpleton like me to explain it to you.

    If you were as intelligent as you claim to be, you would look at history and see that elites have very often been dead wrong (Karl Marx immediately springs to mind). You would also see that common men have been thrust into leadership and performed brilliantly. Harry Truman was a prime example of that.

    • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 09/22/2008 1:58:11 PM

      Yea, you have your Harry Truman???s but you also have your George Bush, an unmitigated disaster. You do realize that McCain graduated 895 out of 899 in his college class. So I guess that put him right about where the republican wing wants their leaders to be. No use getting too much of that edgumaction and stuff

    • Posted By: tpowers63 @ 09/21/2008 11:12:20 PM

      "Being extremely knowledgable does not translate into being a great leader. In fact, it can often hinder it. When someone thinks they know it all, and becomes dismissive, or worse, insulting, of the opinions of others, their ability to lead and inspire goes out the window."


      HA! I love this! Talk about a great excuse for W's reign. "He's a moron, so he can't be too dangerous!"

      Actually, hon, you're in need of clarification. Obama doesn't THINK he's knowledgeable. He IS knowledgeable. Ergo, not dangerous.

      You guys are a laugh a minute.

      • Posted By: wageekrn @ 09/21/2008 11:32:24 PM

        <<Obama doesn't THINK he's intelligent>>

        I said absolutely nothing about Obama in my post, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning him. In fact, I might even vote him - haven't decided yet.

        I also made no claims whatsoever of Bush being a great leader. We are on the same page as far as that is concerned.

        Why do you assume that because I disagree with the author that I am a Bush supporter? I am actually very moderate. I call the BS on both sides.

        My point was much more general than that. I was refuting the autor's premise that elites would make better leaders while also pointing out the hypocrisy and condescension that filled this article. I was trying to answer his question about why elitists have fared so poorly in national elections.

        Just because I think elitists are arrogant, and therefore poor leaders, does not mean that I am in favor of putting an imbicile in the White House. There is a middle ground here. It is not necessary to have an IQ of 180 to be the POTUS.

    • Posted By: gulsbyja @ 09/21/2008 11:25:47 PM

      You seem to be arguing that 'common' people make the best leaders of the USA.

      That proposition might make some sense, but this lady comes with a mythical overseer that she apparently regularly consults for comparison that what she is doing matches his plan. Seems I've heard that somewhere before. I think from a guy named Ahmedinnejhad. I wonder if Sarah gets better instructions since her waking hours are later in the day, so she gets the overseer's latest thinking? Have any ideas on that?

    • Posted By: DC_Washington @ 09/21/2008 11:18:49 PM

      "Being extremely knowledgeable does not translate into being a great leader."

      Wageekrn am I to understand you believe that George W Bush, who is without a doubt not extremely knowledgeable in how to fight wars, grow the economy, and leave the country better than he found it, is a great leader, then?

      Here's what happens when less-than-knowledgeable people are in powerful positions:
      1) They hide their ignorance with arrogance ("believing they know it all")
      2) "They become dismissive, or worse, insulting, of the opinions of others"
      3) "Their ability to lead and inspire goes out the window"
      4) Other people (companies, lobbyists, their own VP) start manipulating and controlling that leader

      So you can have W back. In 2004 I thought America as a country deserved whatever happened to it under W's leadership. If America makes the same mistake voting McCain in 2008, then I'll still love America, but I'll be scratching my head about the election for another 4 years.

  • Posted By: mpirog01 @ 09/22/2008 12:42:21 PM

    Thank you for writing this article. People both Democratic and Republican; Atheists and the religious, all need to pay more attention to Ms. Palin's politics and not be swept up the fact that before a month ago no one outside of Alaska had ever heard her name. She is simply not ready to be President, Vice President or anywhere near such an office and this article shows why.

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/22/2008 1:55:47 PM

      Like anyone had heard of Barack Obama until he made a speech at the Democratic Convention a few years ago. Since then, all he has done is hang on to others coat tails and run for office. What experience to run our country does that give him? Do you think that just because he was able to attend an Ivy League school because of affirmative action that makes him more intelligent or gives him a greater understanding of the needs of middle class Americans? I don't think so. Let's all be honest. If either party could go back and choose another candidate they probably would. Don't act like Obama is some sort of savior. He is as ill equiped as Palin just with some extra initials behind his name. One big difference, he is running for President.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/22/2008 11:27:43 AM

    Senator Obama looking forward to battling worlds problems. "I will rid the world of Yankee Imperialism, hirsutism, capitalism, botulism, sexism, hypogonadism, militarism, priapism, racism, stoicism, jingoism, and the Detroit Red Wings." said the candidate outside of Columbus Ohio today.

    • Posted By: HockeyMom18 @ 09/22/2008 11:35:15 AM

      Are you kidding? What did the Detriot Red Wings do to him? The truth needs to come out strong and clear on this guy. Pull the teleprompter and see the man!

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/22/2008 11:54:37 AM

        As a Chicago Blackhawsk fan, I am sure that I am not alone in supporting the disbanding of the Detroit Red Wings and sending their fans accross the Baring Straits to Siberia.

        • Posted By: dsqard @ 09/22/2008 1:54:07 PM

          Which you can see from Alaska!!! HAHAHAHA

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/22/2008 1:12:56 PM

      Are you serious? I'll have to check that one out. If so, I hope that he doesn't need Red Wings fans to pull Detriot.

  • Posted By: ronnie8365 @ 09/21/2008 11:06:45 PM

    What real job has Obamba had professor? and for how long? All the other time living off the govt. dole. What about Biden try 35 years. But obamba is the out sider yeah right

    • Posted By: lisaooo @ 09/21/2008 11:25:23 PM

      You're right, all black people are on the dole and so must Obama be. If you're a black Harvard graduate and serve for years in the Illinois state senate, then you're on welfare. But if you're a white beauty queen who barely got out of a bottom-of-the-barrel college and serve as governor, then you're the second coming of Jesus. If you're black and are a community organizer, you're a joke like Al Sharpton. But if you're white and served on the PTA, you're Erin Brokovich.

    • Posted By: ChrisT @ 09/21/2008 11:16:59 PM

      You do not know your facts. Like other typical dumb Americans, you are content to pass judgment without having taken time to get off your --- to do some work/research. Oh yea getting your "facts" from FOX News does NOT count as critical research!

    • Posted By: tpowers63 @ 09/21/2008 11:13:03 PM

      Um, McCain?

      Oh, crap. Forget it. You're hopeless.

  • Posted By: 2008Fairness @ 09/22/2008 1:23:49 PM

    It's funny how diversity and respect for people's beliefs seems to stop when it comes to Christianity. The left is very happy with the Obama/Biden ticket. They know Obama was merely using Reverand Wright for political gain not as a spiritual advisor. Although Biden claims to be a devout Catholic, he is 180 on key tenets. His tax returns shows either he is a no show at Sunday mass or just stiffing the church when the collection plate is passed.

    • Posted By: gulsbyja @ 09/22/2008 1:50:51 PM

      It just goes to show that many 'Christians' are just hedging their bets, just in case there is a god. When will we grow up? the Catholics went around the world destroying all of the 'pagan' gods and then suddenly the 'virgin Mary' would miraculously appear in a former revered site of the 'pagan' religion. They burned people at the stake who discovered scientific truths that didn't match their dogma. And just because protestants disagreed with them doesn't give them the high ground, they disagree with themselves. Islam is just 500 years behind in not taking their 'holy book' literally when it (and the bible) call for the stoning to death of people!

  • Posted By: Gavin1776 @ 09/21/2008 11:26:48 PM

    Ronnie: A Marxist is already running the country. His name is George Walker Bush. He just used my tax dollars to bail out private corporations that I???ve never owned. I now own an insurance company, a giant mortgage company and soon I'll own a lot of bad unregulated capitalistic (yes innovative) debt. This is the friggin ???Animal Farm??? if I eve saw it (Google it since you apparently don't recognize socialism when you see it). And if Barack Obama were named Joseph Palin (rhymes with Stalin), you'd be first in line at his inauguration. So now tell us your REAL problem with Barack Obama now that we KNOW Marxism is not your problem???

    • Posted By: ronnie8365 @ 09/21/2008 11:44:22 PM

      Uhh gavin I believe the congress has to vote on that and who is running it? I believe the names Nancy and Harry come to mind and I believe Friday they tied like a good liberal to stick another 50 billion on top of that.
      Bush tried reform at freddie and fannie the democrats blocked it all the way ask Baraks 2 advisors that got hundreds of millions out of it even Jamie Girelick got 75 mill. So don't preach about Bush. What are you going to do when the social security medicare bill comes due.. remember bush tried to fix it too.....

      • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 09/22/2008 1:50:37 PM

        You have got to be kidding. The republicans/Bush wanted to privatize both the medical industry as well as Social Security. Can you imagine what a mess we would have if more reasoned minds had not prevailed on those issues? This country has been ruled by greedy wall street dealers and its now time to pay the piper.

  • Posted By: ughleemann @ 09/22/2008 1:46:46 PM

    It seems to me the authorof this article has forgotten his own American history. How elite were the troops that fought the British in order to gain their independence for future generations of Americans?. So who is being elitist here? A country that was formed for the people .by spilling the blood of the people .should be governed by the people.. I don't know Palin. She is however of the people...so leave her be nd pu the relgious stuff on the backburner. Separation of church and state!!!. Seems to me the author is purposely instigating the collision of both. Mybe the uthor should look to his own elitism before pointing fingers.

  • Posted By: independentthinker1813 @ 09/22/2008 1:41:17 PM

    Considering that 33% of the world believes in some form of Christianity and 78% are Christian in the United States, it's a little disturbing and insulting to dismiss Sara Palin's beliefs.

    Instead of attacking this woman, why not write an article that compares her experience wtih that of Joe Biden and then provide your conclusion as to why you feel one, both or neither is capable of being the second in charge.

    It seems like a simple and fair approach. I am independent, but I can see the liberal slant in just about everything on tv, especially MSNBC and newspapers such as the New York Times.

  • Posted By: Geministorm @ 09/22/2008 1:40:48 PM

    This article is discussing the difference between the usage of "elites" (as in; snobs, people who act/think/feel like they are superior to others, especially middle America in the fly-over states) or elite = the best and brightest. In my experience, people such are anything but of superior intellect or ethics.

    Mr. Harris' proposition is that we should want the best and brightest to lead our country. The only problem is that this isn't language class, the majority of Americans still don't want snobs who look down upon them to lead them because they already understand that their opinions are down played or even dismissed by the "elites" as it is.

    Mr. Harris, you know what is being described with "elites" is a reference to oligarchs, who would dismiss any they didn't think that were their equal (east coast, west coast and no one in between). That is certainly not a representative democracy! You make a simple play on words to try and lead us to accepting the "elites" as preferred candidates. So, to clear up this mess, I'll just call them Olli's from now on so you understand that we mean snobs, etc.

    We *all* wish to have the best among us lead, that is a given. Everyone wants the superstar to be on their team and to be their captain, no one holds the opinion that we shouldn't have the best and brightest. The only problem is that we are not being given the choice of the best, so we must take what is offered and hope for the best, that the sub-elite Presidential candidates don't lead the country into destruction. The only thing I see this forum has done is to allow people show their anti-Christian bigotry, espousing their utter distaste for all Christians as ignorant fools that should have their voting rights taken away. Oh, and to bash Sarah Palin endlessly.

    Once we're offered an elite candidate, then we'll get an elite PotUS. Until that time, we're all just picking the lesser of two evils.

  • Posted By: sampeters @ 09/22/2008 12:20:27 AM

    This person has taken the most inane view of an interview that was intended to be a got you to portray Governor Palin as unaware. In the language of some inarticulate reporters who themselves don't understand their business there are questions that are not answerable on their face. Without some specific meaning I can ask what do you think of the moon. That is not a question. All this demonstrates is the ignorance of the reporter. There are very brilliant people who have different values who can learn quickly I admire for character, say Lincoln.

    • Posted By: Lucretius @ 09/22/2008 12:44:20 AM

      "Sampeters" reflects the kind of voter ignorance we must combat in November and is a good example of what Harris is talking about in Palin. "Sampeters" can't even write a logical sentence - how can he/she be expected to think clearly and logically when voting?

      The lack of ability to express yourself correctly and clearly, Mr/Ms Sampeters is the kind of problem we face with Palin; it is exhibits, and is based in ignorance, inability, stupidity, a poor education, a lack of understanding and a lack of viable experience. I'm afraid that Bill Maher was correct when he said it on the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC - the American voter is stupid. And this makes the threat of McCain/Palin all the more real.

      • Posted By: dark.energy363 @ 09/22/2008 1:40:34 PM

        To take it one step further and as the author had intimated, why is it that we want our leaders to be at best average? What is wrong with having an intelligent leader for a change? God knows what can happen when you have someone of mediocre composition. Hasn???t the recent example been proof enough? I guess not. I mean is it too much to ask that our president can at least say the word "nuclear" and not nucaler?

      • Posted By: Geministorm @ 09/22/2008 2:30:46 AM

        I think Bill Maher should decide who is smart enough to vote and who isn't. That way the liberals can do what they really want, which is to lobotomize conservatives and make them ditch diggers. After the present generation dies off (euthenasia, since we'll be such a burden to society), fetuses that are determined to have tendencies towards conservatism will be aborted.

        It will be great, I can't wait! I want to volunteer me and my family to go first, just steer us towards the appropriate station...

  • Posted By: Debbie - Valley Forge @ 09/22/2008 1:26:16 PM

    One of the most important freedoms we have in this country is freedom of religion???not just for one religion but for all religions???.or belief in none. Freedom to speak of a religion and freedom not to listen to those speaking of religion is guaranteed to all. The spread of any religious beliefs should be done outside of politics - separation of church and state. It seems to be that the only substantial amount of experience Ms. Palin has is that of faith. She may have a buffet of other experiences but each one seems to be superficial in content needed for the level of vice-president and possibly president. As a former Miss Congeniality & sportscaster, Ms. Palin has learned how to work a crowd. However, it seems that it is rare that she can actually answer the question posed to her (if a question is allowed at all). It scares me to death that she actually believes that she is prepared to handle one of the top two positions in our country. Reality obviously is one of her weaknesses. If she is so prepared, then why are the Republicans keeping her on such a short chain? It seems that her congenial appearance is the ploy to get people to show up for McCain appearances. We saw from the last eight years what incompetance leads to. Since we as a country are already at a low level, do we need to add more depth to the hole with her shallowness?

    • Posted By: Georgia-Dan @ 09/22/2008 1:40:28 PM

      The irony of this situation is that it is Republicans who are truly cynical about Christian evangelicals. They essentially think that Christian evangelicals (especially those in small towns) are basically stupid. All Palin has to do is say the right words, project the right image, and fit the right mold. Republicans strategists don't care if she is qualified or not. They are using her strictly as bait (ironic considering her hunting background).hunting

  • Posted By: the_drill1116 @ 09/22/2008 1:38:03 PM

    Its funny how the writter is quick to point out Gov Pallins indiscressions, but we need to remember that she is trying to get the VICE PRESIDENTIAL seat, unlike Senator Obama who is jockeying for the PRESIDENTIAL seat and is less qualified than Senator McCain. The reason so much focus is being put on Gov Pallin is because she is just as charasmatic as Senator Obama, and she poses a threat in the Democrats eyes.

  • Posted By: bzbatl @ 09/22/2008 12:55:27 PM

    I agree with most of the what Harris says in this article (as I do with most things he writes), but yet again, he fails to see the danger in the alternative. And the alternative is not a "third party" who has no shot whatsoever at becoming POTUS or VP. It'd be wonderful to be able to live in the perfect society that has no religion, no party politics, and no infringement upon the greatest government document ever written... but we don't live in that world.

    It's an abomination of American politics to have to choose the lesser of two evils every four years, but it's necessary when selecting those positions.

    Based on the big four's political records, we have a much better shot at restoring state rights under McCain-Palin than we would Obama-Biden - however slim that may be.

    Your vote doesn't matter in the POTUS election anyway. The reason we should all be voting in November is for our local politicians who can send a message to Washington that it is NOT OK to have these sub-par people in our political machine, and that a two-party system is detrimental to our country.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/22/2008 1:03:05 PM

      That's not how you responded in the past. Good to see.

      • Posted By: bzbatl @ 09/22/2008 1:37:11 PM

        Responded to what in the past? This was my first comment on Newsweek, ever.

  • Posted By: hubahuba @ 09/22/2008 1:34:38 PM

    I cannot beleive the morons that respond in these blogs. Obama has FAR more experience and intellectual ability than Palin. You are demonstrating your stupidity with such a statement. Obama graduated at the top of his class from Harvard Law School, Palin has a bachelors degree. I have a bachelors degree myslef, I'm not putting it down, but I'm not running for VP. Obama is a constitutional law scholar. He is an author of best selling books. Obama has FAR more experience in world affairs. Anyone who would say he "has done nothing in his life of any importance, and has no life experiences to speak of" is someone obviously suffering from penile dysfunction!

  • Posted By: caballer @ 09/22/2008 1:31:22 PM

    Obama has just as little experience, but Palin will not be Pesident. McCain has has the experience, but the people were getting wooed by Obama's charisma and eloquent speach. So McCain said, "Ok if they want beauty, charisma, youth, an ordinary person...etc, I'll give it to them." As I see it, now the McCain team has experience, charisma, and values tied up all in one package. Obama still just has his charisma and inexperience.

  • Posted By: ikonoklast @ 09/22/2008 1:30:44 PM

    Thank you for writing this. This country is being overrun by idiots. The legitimizing of Palin represents the dawning of a new dark age.

    I'm sorry to see Newsweek decided to slap such a stupid title on your piece. "Common Sense" would have been much more appropriate.

  • Posted By: thesandiegan @ 09/22/2008 1:29:18 PM

    And all this about the VP. When Oboma has less experience then the governer and the demacratic party wants to put him in charge of "issues like nuclear proliferation, ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and covert wars elsewhere), global climate change, a convulsing economy, Russian belligerence, the rise of China, emerging epidemics, Islamism on a hundred fronts, a defunct United Nations, the deterioration of American schools, failures of energy, infrastructure and Internet security"

  • Posted By: NthAnalytics @ 09/22/2008 12:05:01 PM

    I don't agree with Sarah Palin on any issues I can think of, but please, give the lady a break! Are you saying being an evangelical Christian disqualifies a person from being president?

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/22/2008 12:34:56 PM

      What part of this do you fail to understand: "Its unwise to put the power to end the world into the hands of someone who thinks the end of the world is a good thing".

      • Posted By: yourebeingused @ 09/22/2008 1:28:57 PM

        In general, Christians do not believe that one person will set off the events that end the world as we know it. Nor will one or any number of people begin the final war of Armaggedon. Only God can initiate the events that lead to the "end." He won't "tell" anyone to press anything. Anyone who believes this is not a true student of the New Testament. Therefore, putting a candidate without an elite education at power doesn't bother me nearly as much as a candidate without morals. Where is C.S. Lewis when we need him?

  • Posted By: jarahjohnson @ 09/22/2008 1:18:49 PM

    Did Bush or Cheney know all the answers when they took office? I don't think so, what about Bush Senior? Or Jimmy Carter? Bill Clinton? Come on give her a break. No one knows all the answers besides isn't that why we have such a huge government with all the different committees? So that we have experts that brief everyone else?

    • Posted By: gulsbyja @ 09/22/2008 1:28:24 PM

      If Bush ever new the answers, he never shared them with the rest of us. Instead of answers, we've gotten two knew problems to every issue that he faced. Thank 'god' for term limits!

  • Posted By: fran-daddy-o @ 09/22/2008 12:36:23 PM

    I believe that the term "elitism" or even worse "eastern elites" , has become Republican code. I think that at the Republican convention, the repudiation of "elites and eastern elites" was a way of saying "JEWS". The fact that Mitt Romney got up and said the same thing, and he was Gov of an eastern state, was chilling as they repeatedly beat up on the Elites. It was almost anti-semetic, Down with the Elites, Down the the Jews.
    Its is code.....

    • Posted By: Geministorm @ 09/22/2008 1:26:42 PM

      How many tin hat wearing loons are going to visit Newsweek this week?

      The only ones hearing any "code" are people with mental issues. No one is coding anything, so get back on your meds so you can participate in the conversation.

      This article is discussing the difference between the usage of "elites" (as in; snobs, people who act/think/feel like they are superior to others, especially middle America in the fly-over states) or elite = the best and brightest. Mr. Harris' proposition is that we should want the best and brightest to lead our country. The only problem is that this isn't language class, the majority of Americans still don't want snobs who look down upon them to lead them because they already understand that their opinions are down played or even dismissed by the "elites" as it is.

      Mr. Harris, you know what is being described with "elites" is a reference to a oligarchs, who would dismiss any they didn't think that were their equal. That is certainly not a representative democracy! You make a simple play on words to try and lead us to accepting the "elites" as preferred candidates. So, to clear up this mess, I'll just call them Olli's from now on so you understand that we mean snobs, etc.

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