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  • Posted By: snowwhitemother @ 09/22/2008 12:17:27 PM

    This article made me sick!! that's why Hillary Clinton got thrown under the bus!! See how Obama treated Hillary?? he wants her to campagin for him!! give me a break!!! Journlist like Sam is bias!!!

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 09/22/2008 12:42:15 PM

      Obama and his supporters finally realize that he made a grave error by snubbing HIllary as VP. We wouldn't be talking about OH, MI, PA, or FL becuase they would all be going blue ! He would be ahead by double digits if he tabled his self interest and put the country first. Instead he picked a windbag like Biden that nobody gives a damn about.

    • Posted By: gulsbyja @ 09/22/2008 12:40:09 PM

      I am a Hillary supporter. Sam Harris is not a lournalist. He is a scientist, author and non-believer. He is arguing that Sarah Palin does not have what it takes to be a heartbeat away from being president of the most powerful country in history. He doubts that someone who relys upon God for consensus building on the 'plan' qualifies them to be anything. I think that you'll find that he dislikes Obama's (or any candidate's) need to court the 'religious'.

    • Posted By: News and Notes @ 09/22/2008 12:38:46 PM

      This article is counter productive. Why would an Obama supporter want to write all of this personal nonsense if Obama wants to talk more about issues?

  • Posted By: colbyward @ 09/22/2008 12:38:02 PM

    Please explain this focus on Palin and her "inexperience". I see very little distinction between her experience and Obama's...and he is at the top of the ticket. That is scary to me. Obama talks a good talk about having experience, but when you actually look at the details, he is very inexperienced.

    • Posted By: Dr Rick @ 09/22/2008 12:41:24 PM

      It's not just Palin's inexperience that Sam is writing about: it's her thought process that is at issue here.

  • Posted By: intrepidone @ 09/22/2008 12:37:21 PM

    WHY on earth is this article headlined "When atheists attack"? This point of view has nothing to do with atheism--I am a mainstream god-fearing Jew married to a mainstream god-fearing Catholic, and we agree with every on of Harris' words. What is Newsweek trying to accomplish by this sensationalism?

  • Posted By: Ben323 @ 09/22/2008 12:35:53 PM

    If the comments below represent the best intellectual response by your readership to Harris's article, they serve as far greater evidence of their mediocrity and decision-making incompetence than any comments found in Hariss's article. I am with Sam. I want the "best of the best" at America's helm. I want someone *smarter* than the "average American" - an elite leader - to steer the direction of this country, not some backwater hick. "Gud enuf" is NOT good enough for America!

  • Posted By: jcfost @ 09/22/2008 12:35:09 PM

    I understand Mr. Harris's views and respect the fact that he can hold them, but to lump all Christians into a collective idiot camp is contrived and disingenuous. Many of the greatest national and world leaders that have been able to successfully lead this nation among others have been Christian. Not to speak of the majority of founding fathers and historic presidents.
    Even a brief assessment of Mr. Harris???s diatribe on the abilities of Christians to hold public office shows his disdain for all people of faith. This is a fundamental dichotomy which distracts from the realities of history and precedence. A casual observer of western civilization history would be hard pressed to assert the propositions that Mr. Harris has regarding the inability of people of faith to lead.
    Recent history alone has shown that the same prejudice held by Mr. Harris is unwarranted and ultimately harmful to the dialog on policy and national interests. John F Kennedy was disdained by many, even Christians, as unfit to lead due to his Catholic faith. Ronald Reagan, a former actor and then governor, was chastised for his ties to the ???religious right??? but affected an unprecedented wave of democracy and freedom among the majority of the rest of the world including the former Soviet Union and communist Europe.
    The hypocrisy of Mr. Harris???s argument is suppositional in that his obvious leaning toward the democrat ticket of Obama and Biden still leaves his arguments out in the cold. What faith do these nominees purport to hold to and follow? Whether Christian, Muslim, or the abject faith of modern humanism and Atheism ??? all form and shape worldviews which should be studied and understood by all voters and free thinkers as we approach this election.

  • Posted By: markanthis @ 09/22/2008 12:34:21 PM

    Everyone keeps saying this election is important. What in the hell is so important about this election than any other. The issues are the same. They haven't change in 200 years you idiots. They are well known now with the media and all. But they are the same. Just know you know when someone changes their shoes. So don't give me this election is important. Maybe it is because of a black man running for president. If so, that is sad. Should not make a difference. But it has and that is the truth.

  • Posted By: Ben323 @ 09/22/2008 12:34:15 PM

    If the comments below represent the best intellectual response by your readership to Harris's article, they serve as far greater evidence of their mediocrity and decision-making incompetence than any comments found in Hariss's article. I am with Sam. I want the "best of the best" at America's helm. I want someone *smarter* than the "average American" - an elite leader - to steer the direction of this country, not some backwater hick. "Gud enuf" is NOT good enough for America!

  • Posted By: markanthis @ 09/22/2008 12:33:58 PM

    Everyone keeps saying this election is important. What in the hell is so important about this election than any other. The issues are the same. They haven't change in 200 years you idiots. They are well known now with the media and all. But they are the same. Just know you know when someone changes their shoes. So don't give me this election is important. Maybe it is because of a black man running for president. If so, that is sad. Should not make a difference. But it has and that is the truth.

  • Posted By: 66&fine @ 09/22/2008 12:33:27 PM

    Mr. Harris;
    Why not make the same analysis for Sen. Obama. He is not the pinical of political experience. In fact his short time in office and the number of his "Present" votes does not define a strong political knowledge or sterling performance. And this is the man running for the "Office of President", not VP!

  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/22/2008 12:27:35 PM

    Focus? Seems right on the mark to me to point out a little bit about the fundamentals of Pentacostal belief, and the potential ramifications of putting the trigger for nuclear doomsday into the hands of someone whose faith predisposes them to think Judgment Day will be a Good Thing! NONE of the other aspects of "effective governance" will matter one whit, if this ultimate power...basically the power to bring about the end of the world as we know it...is entrusted into the wrong hands. Like the hands of true-believers of apocalyptic religions, who MIGHT just honestly believe that God WANTS them to push the button.

  • Posted By: Staats Weikly @ 09/22/2008 12:27:25 PM

    Well said, but only "intellectual elite liberals" are likely to read this and get your message. The people who love Palin will love her until the day she sends us to heaven/oblivion.An interesting article from outside the US that puts this in perspective, albeit with conservative leanings, is here: http://tinyurl.com/4pq5sp

  • Posted By: ronnie8365 @ 09/22/2008 12:03:21 PM

    Comment: jasperrube: After 8 years of Bush, are you seriously convinced that we will see changes for the better under McCain/Palin?



    Yes,
    1) Both have taken on their own party and worked with democrats ...has Obamba worked with republicans?

    2) Both have cut spending and McCain has taken no earmarks...Has Obamba?

    • Posted By: Dr Rick @ 09/22/2008 12:26:17 PM

      McCain is apparently claiming that he can save $100 billion simply by eliminating earmarks, past and present. Let's start with a simple overview of earmarks, which are line items inserted by lawmakers into legislation funding the federal government. Estimates of earmarked spending vary. For fiscal 2008, the budget watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense said there was $18.3 billion earmarked in spending bills. Citizens Against Government Waste came in at $17.2 billion. The Office of Management and Budget tallied earmarks at a mere $16.9 billion. In 2006, the Congressional Research Service, which used a different definition of "earmark" for each of the 11 spending bills it studied in that year, came up with over $67 billion.

      But contrary to popular belief -- this is the first of several bits of information readers may be surprised by -- cutting earmarks wouldn't necessarily cut government spending, according to independent budget experts from across the political spectrum. Jeff Patch, a budget fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute (and also a former McCain volunteer) told FactCheck.org that "earmarks just direct funds from executive agencies to specific projects or companies." That is, while there are still a few pet projects slipped into legislation in the dark of night that do increase the federal budget, earmarks often simply tell agencies how to spend money that they are already getting. So while earmarks may drive up the cost of government slightly (by, for example, awarding no-bid contracts in a legislator's home district), cutting earmarks alone is "not sufficient for cutting wasteful spending," Patch said. The Brookings Institution's Paul Cullinan, research director of the Budgeting for National Priorities Project, agrees, saying that earmarks "might be an allocation issue" rather than a spending issue. And Scott Lilly, a senior fellow with the liberal Center for American Progress, told us that "there???s no evidence that if you took earmarks out, federal spending would go down."

      And (surprise #2) McCain now says that many earmarks aren't really wasteful spending at all. For example, in 2006 the Congressional Research Service counted 75 percent (or $15.7 billion) of the 2006 foreign operations budget as earmarks. That figure includes $4.3 billion in aid to Israel and Egypt. Another $16.1 billion was earmarked for military construction and veterans affairs, and $9.4 billion more was earmarked for defense spending. That's $41 billion ??? or more than two-fifths of the amount of earmark spending McCain cites. But McCain has no plans to cut those particular earmarks. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain's chief economic adviser, told FactCheck.org that "if you don't have earmarks, a lot of those things would be funded under regular order, if they have merit."

  • Posted By: navydoc @ 09/22/2008 12:26:14 PM

    All this talk of liberal elitism slays me. Isn't what the Republicans are doing now the worst kind of elitism around? If they are not elite, how can they continue to get away with sounding off on issues that their own party engages in throughout campaigns? Earmarks are bad, unless it gets A LOT of money for your constituents (a la the Bridge to Nowhere that Palin "fought" after it was dead in the US Congress and all the projects that have brought billions into Arizona for McCain's constituents over the years). Teen pregnancy and pregnancy out of wedlock are bad, unless it is a conservative's kid doing it. Then it's a beautiful affirmation of love and devotion. Attacking female politicians like Clinton isn't sexist, but examining Palin is. Getting away from discussing the issues and talking without substance (as they accuse Obama of doing) is meaningless, unless it's the Republicnas doing it and then it's about "energizing the base" and "bringing change."
    I wish conservative Republicnas could turn the microscope on themselves once in a while. This is the worst kind of elitism, the kind the Republicans decried the Democrats for in 2004 and are doing again in 2008. Oh, wait. It's probably NOT elitism, because now they are the ones doing it...

  • Posted By: jasperrube @ 09/22/2008 11:56:33 AM

    Give me a break.
    What small minded, left-wing, atheistic idiots have to say bears no significance on what's really going on here. You, Sam Harris, and your ilk have yet to figure out that Christianity is still the largest belief system in this country. Thank God not everyone out there shares your views. To put words in anyone's mouth like you have done is ridiculous. Your statement that Chrisitans believe "all nonbelievers, Jews, Methodists and other rabble will be punished for eternity in a lake of fire" is just plain stupid. That's not the case at all and just shows how scared you are of anyone who doesn't believe what you do. Which is what, exactly?
    Personally, I'm not sure if Palin has the strength to be VP either, but the alternative scares the daylights out of me because Obama and his camp will certainly "change" things...for the worse. Get off your high horse and wake up to what's going on in this country. We don't need any more liberal wack job, selfish, low-moral, "let's get everybody in this hand-basket to hell so we're not lonely", self-interest groups telling us what to do.

    • Posted By: gulsbyja @ 09/22/2008 12:24:32 PM

      We could just change the constitution, like so many other places do when they have found the perfect leader, and allow the election of our dear leader, George Bush, as President for Life!

  • Posted By: ronnie8365 @ 09/22/2008 12:23:44 PM

    If there are any people with common sense left here is why we are in the financial mess we are in

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0

  • Posted By: dreamweaver39 @ 09/22/2008 12:21:56 PM

    Bravo for Sam Harris! It is about time someone recognizes the absurdity that this VP pick is and the hypocritical moral double talk of the conservative right. Sarah Palin is nothing more than a tool for McCain to get elected, and a figure head. He chose her for political gain and without any regard to her experience, education, or political past, which is full of mud. This whole political likeability personalities election - politicial + celebrity- is an insult to the educated minds of which Harris has plenty off. Thank goodness for reason, where will we be without our secularist friends, in the Dark Ages!!

  • Posted By: Just2tired @ 09/22/2008 12:19:47 PM

    What's with this palin-fixation? I am a strong Obama/Biden supporter. Yet your article offends me. You speak of her as if she is the anti-christ. Everyone already knows that Governor Palin is ill prepared to fully embrace the job of Vice President or step into the role of President. You are off task. Focus on effective governance issues when speaking about any of the candidates and I'll continue to read. We're losing our shirts right now! Stay focused!!!!

  • Posted By: Robert L. Brockett @ 09/22/2008 11:38:45 AM

    As someone raised and baptized in a Pentecostal church, the very idea that one of these people should get this close to that kind of power is beyond frightening. While there should be no official religious test for office, the electorate should expect to be properly served by a free and open inquiry by the press, especially when dealing with personal cosmologies that are so very extreme and primitive. If elected, I expect most of the free world (and parts not so free) to engage in one very long inhale over the prospects of John McCain's longevity. While in the past it has been true that we do not vote for vice president, this case has become very, very special...and dangerous.

    bb

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/22/2008 12:19:19 PM

      First of all, Palin has a background in the Pentecostal faith but has for years attended a non-denominational Bible church. Does this connection with a faith that is experienced and shared by millions disqualify her while Mr. Obama's background in the Muslim faith does not? Although neither Palin or Obama practice the Pentecostal / Muslim faith respectively, for some reason, we are supposed to forget Obama's history and hold Palin's against her. I might point out that Pentecostals haven't initiated terrorist attacks on our country. The fact that there is an obvious predjudice, lack of understanding and intolerance when it comes to Pentecostals only indicates that there are other discriminatory factors at work here.

  • Posted By: markanthis @ 09/22/2008 12:17:52 PM

    I was raised to know that politics and religion does not go together. At least in the same sentence. However, my view of your article. If I was on the street. You most certainly would be toast. Your view point is your view point. Isn't great to be an American?? One small thing from your article tho. If Sarah Palin isn't ready for that then you are saying that one must be an elite to be able to achieve and the last time I checked that sure in the hell isn't the American way. It would be like saying that I am not good enough for this position. GOOD ENOUGH. Now is that American.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/22/2008 12:15:24 PM

    Senator Obama ready to rumble says his debating coach John D. Sophist Professor of Rhetoric at Bowdoin College. "Obama has mastered my techniques. Look for him to obsfucate, question the premises, launch ad hominem attacks, and weasel out by saying that it is beyond his pay grade. "

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