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  • Posted By: bonnerform @ 09/22/2008 10:10:05 AM

    Well, these posts on this site have shown me one thing. Most people who post are emotional and irrational. I can tell from the comments on my post. People think I am an ignorant bigot wacko. I am a conservative Republican atheist who is pro-choice, pro stem cell, pro gay marriage, pro normalization with Cuba, pro talking with our enemies. I won't vote for Obama because he is too liberal, and his past connections, and I think his wife is somewhat of a racist. I would happily vote for Colin Powell or Condi Rice or Watts or Keyes or any qualified black person , even if they are not a Republivcan. Disagree with my assesments, but don't call me a racist. P.S. I was also a religion major in college. Al Bonner

  • Posted By: sharenews @ 09/22/2008 3:16:34 AM



    Donald Trump who just acknowledged that Oil is dropping like a rock on Larry King Live this weekend just endorsed the JOHN MCCAIN / PALIN TICKET!!!



    McCain/Palin 2008





    • Posted By: _mytwocents @ 09/22/2008 10:04:42 AM

      Why wouldn't he? He benefits enormously from Republican economic policies.

  • Posted By: mohrs1 @ 09/22/2008 10:00:15 AM

    I cancelled my subscription to Newsweek, as I'm tired of their bias and slanted agenda....

  • Posted By: hwhack @ 09/22/2008 9:58:51 AM

    Sam is an idiot if he thinks people care what the media attaches names to: Bush Doctrine. The simple version would be to protect the USA from all foreign powers, and that is what President Bush has done. He may not of done it well, but should we forget the incompetence of JFK and the Bay of Pigs or Vietnam, where 1000's and 10000's Americans lost there lives. The article is petty bickering from the liberal left and has no place in Journalim.

  • Posted By: clcorbett @ 09/22/2008 9:56:56 AM

    RalphSink:

    As a Catholic who attends mass faithfully and is intending to educate my child in the Catholic school system, I feel I'm qualified to say I "get" religion. And I agree with this atheist. I believe it is Sarah Palin who does not fully understand religion, as, indeed, she does not appear to fully understand anything at all. Christianity is--or at least it should be--a deeply held belief in God that inspires us to be better people, to internalize the words and deeds of Jesus Christ and wallk in his footsteps to make the world a better place for all of us--even those who are despised by the conservative establishment (remember that Jesus defended lepers, prostitutes and even tax collectors). It si not a tool you can use to defend every inane or dangerous thought in your empty head, simply because you call yourself "religious". Sarah Palin is a weak-minded fool who uses and abuses her religious faith as a subsitute for independent, well-reasoned thought. It's easy to parrot back everything you've been told all your life and never, ever question your beliefs. It's much harder to look at the world around you and say sometimes, "Gee, what a mess. But I still believe, so let me do something constructive." I do not believe Sarah Palin has ever questioned anything at all, unless it the value of the dreaded "community organizers" who were seeking to help their fellow human beings (she may want to browse through her New Testament to read about a fellow who devoted his life to the same type of activity, I'm pretty sure his name was Jesus). Sarah Palin has allowed herself and her family to be hijacked by the Republican Party in a transparent bid for a power and responsibility she doesn't understand and doesn't deserve. I could say the same about John McCain. Neither of them possesses the temperament nor critical thinking ability to hold the highest and second-highest office in this land. They are in way over their heads and if they should be elected, like most drowning people, they will pull the rest of us down with them. Personally, I'm praying to God that this is not his will. I invite you to join me.

  • Posted By: carverxt @ 09/22/2008 9:55:21 AM

    Obama doesn have experience and at the very least an education that would give him the ability to make some of the most important decisions in the world.

    Obama has a degree in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University.

    Went to Harvard Law School and was the first Black President of the Harvard Law Review. (Not easy for a white guy let alone someone who is "Different". This means he was the best of the best of the most intelligent minds in the country...)

    As far as protecting freedom... Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years!!!!! Hmmmmm!!!!!!

    After this is when he began his political career...

    Can either John McCain or Sarah say they have been the best of the best??? Or are they the best of the ordinary???? We need extra-ordinary people running the country and making decisions...

  • Posted By: jareddame @ 09/22/2008 9:46:09 AM

    Excellent article ... nice to hear someone else publish straight forward criticism against Palin.

    What was McCain thinking? I know people I have made the argument that Obama is inexperienced but at least he is intelligent, informed, and has been to Washington DC for more than a family outing. I hope that the debates throw questions that would not be read from the TelePromp or given to the candidates as Barrack has an ability to answer tough questions on the fly and his opponents do not share this ability.

  • Posted By: bdhotwheel @ 09/22/2008 5:05:29 AM

    Let's throw the athiests on a raft in the middle of the ocean and see who will help them. Not God that's for sure.

    • Posted By: BiContinental @ 09/22/2008 9:32:29 AM

      If I was stuck in the middle in the ocean, it wouldn't be any gods saving me. It would be a trained rescue team that employed human beings, or even just a passing fisherman on his boat would do the trick. Or, if worse came to worse, I could paddle my raft to a nearby island, and survive on papaya and coconut.
      I hate to break this fact to you, but no god will ever save you from anything.

    • Posted By: TheNastyOne @ 09/22/2008 8:05:19 AM

      If you believe that God would ignore the needs of people simply because they dont believe in God, you fail to understand the nature of God. Perhaps your view more accurately reflects your own nature.

    • Posted By: TheNastyOne @ 09/22/2008 7:59:38 AM

      If you believe God would simply ignore the needs of people who happen to disbelieve in God, you fail to understand the nature of God

  • Posted By: MGaskill @ 09/22/2008 9:18:26 AM

    Thank you for putting into words what so many people are afraid of saying out loud. I am a woman and would love to see a woman in the oval office, but she has to be competent, not just any woman. I had hoped the American public had learned from past mistakes - George Bush - that you shouldn't elect someone you want to have a beer with, but someone who understands the problems of the world, can help solve them and is able to keep you and your family safe and is not on a personal agenda.

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 09/22/2008 9:14:21 AM

    "end times"...?

    I wounder that if someone who believes that the "end times" are a good thing,... well, why would she defend the country if she believes the "end times" are not so bad, for Christians.

    Palin would not keep us safe.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/22/2008 9:09:27 AM

    High anxiety on the Obama camp as McCain closes gap in Illinois. A typical sentiment on Michigan Avenue this weekend was: "Obama has not done (expletive) for us. The moment he became Senator, he started running for President."

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/22/2008 9:07:16 AM

    Obama making great strides according to his debating coach. "He is a quick study," said John D. Sophist, Professor of Rhetoric at NYU. "Once I corrected his tendency to answer questions by saying that it was above his pay grade, it was smooth sailing."

  • Posted By: pinpin1 @ 09/22/2008 12:57:55 AM

    Say what you want but I'm voting for the Palin-McCain ticket 'cause I luv Sarah! She's the prototype average American and I can't wait for her to become the President (remember, one heartbeat or one more cancer away?).Then we'll have a First Family that will be the poster family for anti-higher education. Altho she herself finished her four-year course in six years at five different schools, the first dude is a college dropout. And her son was too patriotic to finish high school and he instead enlisted in the Alaska National Guard. Her pregnant daughter is out-of-school and her future son-in-law is not in the high school senior hockey team photo. When her mother was asked if her son is enrolled, her retort was, "Ask him". So our self-proclaimed hockey mom is no longer one. Enough of this Ivy League types, i.e. Bush, Obama and other elitists before them like the Clintons. Go get them Sarah, then get McCain, too, if the heartbeat factor doesn't cooperate, same as you swept away your mentor, Frank Murkowski. Can't wait for Sarah to get so blessed to be sworn in. The naysayers will say that will be the day America goes to the dogs, so what! We are already there anyway, thanks the George W.

    • Posted By: TheNastyOne @ 09/22/2008 9:05:53 AM

      how can you possibly vote to elect an average person to the White House?! I dont want an average person anywhere hear the White House. I want someone far, far above average. I want a President who has acheived excellence

  • Posted By: ronnie8365 @ 09/22/2008 1:23:40 AM

    Lori

    Watch this Penn and teller video...these are typical Obamba supporters....I recommend the whole thing but you'll get the jist when the wackos sign a pledge to ban water......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

    This is the whole thing ....what idots....AND THEY VOTE!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3InQzsLltHE

    • Posted By: Cazador1972 @ 09/22/2008 2:03:50 AM


      Seriously, do you really want to go down that path? Conservatives voted in mass numbers for Bush... TWICE! Those people don't think critically but neither do most conservatives. What do Rush Limbaugh supporters call themselves? Ditto Heads! How about those creationists who believe the earth was created seven thousand years ago? Do you want anything more moronic than that?

      By the way, it's spelled "idiots" not "idots".

      • Posted By: TheNastyOne @ 09/22/2008 8:59:35 AM

        "most conservatives don't think critically"? i suggest you sharpen your critical-thinking skills...

  • Posted By: TheNastyOne @ 09/22/2008 8:43:01 AM

    This article has nothing to do with atheism. You don't have to be an atheist to recognize the inherent danger in a political leader who thinks God occupies the Oval Office. We need and seek rational leaders who will govern with honor, wisdom and sound judgement regardless of their religious orientation. Having said that, America has a long and rich history of rational leaders who also held a deep personal faith, whether they were deist or christian, and sourced their fath in search of the wisdom and judgement necessary to govern wisely. I will elect a wise atheist over a dim christian...

  • Posted By: Dr Rick @ 09/22/2008 2:46:59 AM

    Obama opposed the "born alive" bills as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion. At the time of those votes, there were already (and still are) laws in Illinois that protect children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life.

    Jill Stanek's (not Staneck) claims regarding "infanticide" in an Illinois hospital were investigated by the state of Illinois, which found that they could not be substantiated. Furthermore, the acts she described, had they occurred, were and still are illegal under Illinois law.

    • Posted By: TheNastyOne @ 09/22/2008 8:18:57 AM

      um, why would a doctor performing an abortion on a viable fetus need to use the procedure most likely to protect the fetus? The entire purpose of an abortion is to abort the fetus. i.e. end it's life/potential for life, depending on your interpretation...

  • Posted By: deerob123 @ 09/22/2008 8:10:31 AM

    I am a Christian. You might even consider me an evangelical. However, I am not in any way offended or "scared" by this article. I agree with it, overall. Sarah Palin is simply not qualified to be the VP of the USA. One's personal religious beliefs are not and should not be qualifiers for this position. Sarah Palin is scary...to atheists and the rest of the faith community, alike.

  • Posted By: deerob123 @ 09/22/2008 8:09:12 AM

    I am a Christian. You might even consider me an evangelical. However, I am not in any way offended or "scared" by this article. I agree with it, overall. Sarah Palin is simply not qualified to be the VP of the USA. One's personal religious beliefs are not and should not be qualifiers for this position. Sarah Palin is scary...to atheists and the rest of the faith community, alike.

  • Posted By: Lipstick1 @ 09/21/2008 6:16:01 PM

    Sam Harris does nothing but point out exactly what the Sarah Palin situation is without an agenda other than, objectivity based on logic, and reason. You are correct Sam, this is a scary situation. Her belief that God has put her in what situation she finds herself, and therefore she is "ready" for whatever GOD throws at her. That is ok for a last line of defense, but not the first line. WOW. That's ok logic when I'm with some Christian friends at our book club, but that in no way should be acceptable in the White House. I'm sure I would get along fabulously with Sarah Palin, but only while waiting in line at the grocery store. Just a thought, from one 44 yr old White, Atheist, American Women (with a lot of pizzazz) and has spent over a year in worn torn IRAQ.

    • Posted By: robert62201@msn.com @ 09/21/2008 8:29:42 PM

      If the definition of objectivity is the ability to perceive or describe something without being influenced by personal emotions or prejudices, being accurate, unbiased, and independent of individual perceptions... then Mr Harris fails to meet this criteria. He obviously has personal prejudices against Christianity as evidenced by the revelation that he is an Atheist. Also, since Sarah Palin has not made her religious views public, Sam is only stating what he believes her views to be, which again, is subjective rather than objective. So your assertation that "Sam Harris does nothing but point out exactly what the Sarah Palin situation is (in an objective manner) without an agenda" is flawed at best. Furthermore, your statement; "Her belief that God has put her in what situation she finds herself, and therefore she is "ready" for whatever GOD throws at her" is said as if these were the known beliefs of Sarah Palin when, in actuality, they are merely the opinion of Sam Harris' view on Sarah Palin. Finally, your support of Sam Harris' (above mentioned) made up senario on Sarah Palin; "That's ok logic when I'm with some Christian friends at our book club, but that in no way should be acceptable in the White House" could be interpreted as your willingness to change your position depending on the company that you keep at the time. It is either OK logic or it is not regardless of if your Christian friends are around at the time or not. And since you spent a year in war torn Iraq, you are aware that you are an infadel who should be forced to conform to the religious beliefs Islam, even if this must be accomplished with the sword, right?

      • Posted By: Lipstick1 @ 09/22/2008 7:53:35 AM

        My Christian friends may believe in whatever they need to get through life. I don't disagree with their faith. I disagree with their religion. I am proud that I am always open to a discussion about my complete lack of faith. I only have hope to work with. My opinion does not change depending on who I am with, but rather how important is it to stir things up. If I'm going to make a stand its smarter/kinder to do so for a reason (election year) as opposed to anger or confuse my friends of all faiths....including men and women Muslims. The separation of church and state is created to protect religion from government. I have read the Bible and the Koran, and they have both lead me to atheism. I have since never been so at peace with the world although I hope that too changes for the better. I allow for a person to be Christian (faithful). Is not atheism an option you allow a person to have? Or am I just waiting for the big burn? Also, only religious people have Infidels. By not believing I rid myself of that nasty behavior...that leads to wars. (I dis agree with wars only when each side believes that God is on theirs and theirs alone.) I don't let people immediately know that I am faithless...so that they have the opportunity to know me and see how I live life based on reason should not be feared. I'm sorry I scare you.

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