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  • Posted By: luke23 @ 09/22/2008 11:57:52 AM

    The McCain backers are willing to repeat any Steve Schmidt/Karl Rove lie that they hear on Rush Limbaugh radio. Senator Obama does not support "infanticide." Illinois state law already protected infants born alive during an abortion.

    What he voted against had a provision that would have attempted to overturn Roe versus Wade. He backed the Federal protections for infants born alive, which did not have this unconstitutional provision.

    Senator Obama does not approve of abortion. He just doesn't think the government has a role in making personal decisions for women and their families. He does believe in abstinence training, but also in being realistic- unlike Sarah Palin. Comprehensibe sex education should be taught to all teenagers along with responsibility and birth control information.

    As for gun control. Senator Obama wants hand guns registered and made more diffiult for criminals to obtain. The only hand gun that he is against is the cheap midnight special which many gangs use. He is a constitutional lawyer and not against second amendment rights.

    Stop the lies. Senator Obama is in the mainstream. It is the other candidates who are not.

    • Posted By: boots07 @ 09/23/2008 12:51:25 PM

      If he is so maintstream how come the elite Hollywood crowd loves him? He says he is going to do something and doesn't do it. Look at last week. He cancelled his SNL stink because of Ike but didn't go there to help any people. Than when the market is crashing his is having a party which cost 30,000 to get into. Is that mainstream? He is an elitest who only thinks of himself. I think you should look up the NRA website they have an earful on Obama. On what he wants to do with gun control.

  • Posted By: Catamount1412 @ 09/23/2008 12:49:45 PM

    There is a definite point here. It's not that Republican are bad, it's just the combination of them become too extreme on some issues and having no real challenge to their point of view. Republicans used to believe in limited government, that is government that was as big as it needed to be to do its job in areas where the government was required, but that didn't overstep it's boundaries by getting into things that government shouldn't control. Then Reagan came along and suddenly it became about small government or no government. Long gone are the days when Teddy Roosevelt used government regulation to spark the Progressive Movement, or when Nixon (a crook, but a wise crook) started the EPA. Today Republicans just think government has no place in society, and as a result of their recent policies, we've seen growing national debt, unchecked destruction to the environment, a total economic collapse, increasing unemployment, falling wages (except when Democrats get control of Congress), and a VERY questionable war. Democrats need to get in to power for awhile not because it's a case of their ideas being right and Republican ideas being wrong, but merely a case where Democratic ideas that add needed balance to our policy have no been sufficiently present for the past few decades, leading to unchecked extremist policies and the price we have paid for them.

  • Posted By: joe 6pack @ 09/22/2008 7:08:51 PM

    The Democrats keep losing because they are gay for gay marriage.


    VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT IS GAY


    DON'T BE GAY!


    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 12:49:26 PM

      Are you telling us not to be HAPPY ?

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 12:46:29 PM

      But mostly you just don't want to be gray.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/22/2008 9:28:58 PM

    Outrage in the Obama camp as countless Democrats refuse to appear with Obama. "There will be hell to pay if he gets elected." said Kwansi Mifune a top Obama official. "It will be an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Charity for all who supported us and Malice towards those who did not. I tell you, it will be the winter of their discontent in January. They will face the slings and arrows of his eternal wrath. Our party expects every Democrat to do their duty"

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 12:45:50 PM

      Jose, I see you are quoting Mifune again.
      Which Democrat (hope you are not referring to the aide who was really on the Other Side all along) does not want to be 'seen' with Obama.
      You offend reason, sir!

  • Posted By: anchovy @ 09/23/2008 12:45:10 PM

    Wasn't it Newsweek that said a few months ago that the GOP only runs campaigns based on fear or something like that? (The O Team cover story)

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 09/22/2008 11:31:03 PM

    Let's face FACTS....If you take away accountability and LOGIC from a Republican.....You've got a democrat.
    Sad, but true......Democrats need to lose the victim mentality!!!!!!

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 12:40:40 PM

      So far, have not noticed any "accountability or logic" in the Party which you defend
      so eloquently.

  • Posted By: jim43 @ 09/23/2008 12:30:04 PM

    OK Nov 4 2008 I live here

  • Posted By: ILiveInTheStatesYouHate @ 09/23/2008 11:25:34 AM

    I've thought about this quite a bit through this election cycle. What are those of us who have more liberal values to do? How can we ever "mend" the country? Why did people from middle America suddenly love us so much when the East Coast was terrorized, but now they hate us again? What would they do if those of us who work in the "big cities" and on the coasts just stopped? I'm tired of being expected to feel guilty for living in a Blue State

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 12:25:11 PM


      Your 'blue state' is beautiful.
      Guilt issue, if true, not required.

  • Posted By: Caleb Murdock @ 09/23/2008 12:24:47 PM

    Here's my last comment without the typos: This is actually a very poor article. The premise that this is a center-right country isn't supported by facts. The author simply contends that Republicans have been able to convince the public that they are better at national security. Instead of a serious article, we get seven small paragraphs that say little. This is very poor journalism.

  • Posted By: Caleb Murdock @ 09/23/2008 12:22:59 PM

    This is actually a very poor article. The premise that this is a center-right country isn't supported by any facts in the article. The author simply or contends that Republicans have been able to convince the public that they are better at national security. Instead of a serious article, we get seven small paragraphs that say little. This is very poor journalism.

  • Posted By: NewsWkDickG @ 09/23/2008 12:17:56 PM

    It is really hard to have any faith in McCain when all he offers is his past total support for Bush-Cheney policies, impulsive reactions that he quickly flip-flops from, the selection of the bazaar Palin for his running mate and claiming credit for the 'surge' success. Even the 'surge' at best is questionable as while the violence is down, nothing else is accomplished and we are still paying all of the costs, plus then it is questionable as to whether the Anabar (sp?) Awakening had more to do with any reduction in the violence or if the surge would have even worked without the Awakening (where Iraqi's took responsibility in their neighborhoods). On top of all of that McCain and Palin have both demonstrated a clear propensity for dishonesty. As I say, it is hard to have any faith in the McCain-Palin ticket.

  • Posted By: desertman @ 09/23/2008 2:53:19 AM

    The Democrats keep losing because they keep nominating the jackass himself every four years! The real Democrats are all but gone and what you have now is the National Socialist democratic party of America! The Republican side has not been much better for the past 20 years! Bush II was never a conservative republican and I doubt he understands what a real Republican is? After all we havent had a good Republican since Reagan! Im voting McCain/Palin simply because I dont want this Arrogant socialist part time Muslim who pretends he never was one lying Son Of A Bitch to be our next President!

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 12:08:37 PM

      The only jackass that keeps being elected is your genius Bush, father of Bush.
      They are not democratic nominees by the way.

      Now there is another J. you are trying to elect, the McCain one.

      Hang on to the fantasy genius,

      because you will need it when your retirement Social Security has been deregulated.

  • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 09/22/2008 11:17:51 PM

    Selective memory? It seems that dems everywhere are casually overlooking the FACT that John McCain has been screaming "FIRE" and nobody was listening...now we have the Fannie, Freddie, AIG "situation"....while
    Osama has been sitting back waiting for the coin to fall before making a pro/con statement...he's constantly making his call after the damage has been done.......He's a LOSER from the get go!!!!!

    • Posted By: KDKay @ 09/23/2008 11:39:34 AM

      While McCain Screamed "Fire" 2 days after the country went up in smoke, Obama introduced a bill 2 years ago proposing sweeping reforms, to combat mortgage fraud, increase federal law enforcement programs and create a database of national database of brokers who acted with discipline. http://obama.senate.gov/news/060215-obama_durbin_pr/. As always, McCain is a day late, a dollar short and had to get change for his dollar 4 or 5 times before his handlers could let him know that 1 + 1 = 2.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/23/2008 12:27:03 AM

      The damage was done on Republican watch, with the party's insistance on deregulation of all things financial. Obama refuses to rush to judgement on a fix-it package, unlike McCain who shoots from the hip, then backtracks.

      The economy is sound
      No,no, it's the workers that are sound.
      Fire Cox, give Paulson the oversight authority
      No one person should have the oversight authority
      Pass the bale-out bill quickly,
      No, no. don't pass it quickly.

      It's a wonder the old guy doesn't have whiplash from snapping back and forth on his positions.

      Obama has heeded the advise of key financial experts (Buffett, Bloomberg, Rubin) and the requests of Paulson, Cox, Pelosi and others in his party to let the Administration and the Congress do its work without partisan interference. McCain seems to prefer the partisan interference.

  • Posted By: srpottershouse @ 09/23/2008 1:10:13 AM

    The real ignoranius's are the liberals such as the previous post who only know how to yell, scream, call names and show a general lack of real honest and civil discourse. The reason why Obama is going to lose is that he really has nothing to say. Anyone can teleprompt a scripted speech written by someone else. Listenning to Obama babble on when he is ask questions reveals a man with no convictions of his own and shows he has no experience except for the 18 month's he's been running for office. If you have any doubts go watch the Saddleback debate that he and McCain did. He can't answer a simple question without stuttering and stammering through long explainations. He doen't know what he believes and is a fraud and is only saying what he thinks he should to get elected. America is seeing through the Hollywood hype that they've been fed for the last year and will reject him when it comes November 2. No inflated media slanted poles will be able to erase the reality that they Democratic Party selected a man who was not prepared to be president, a man who was the product of a left wing extreme minority who live in a fantasy world that doesn't resemble most of America.

    • Posted By: KDKay @ 09/23/2008 10:59:13 AM

      Ouch! Running into "inflated media slanted poles" probably hurts.

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/23/2008 2:24:03 AM

      Your 'real ignoraniuses' are babbling about deregulating everything you need to have a life
      not only now , but tomorrow and in your senior years.

      The real fantasy is the one we are paying for: 10 trillion dollars in primary loan debt ; 5.4 trillion dollars in secondary (Fannie Mae) loan debt; 3.4 trillion dollars in Mutual fund loan debt; and now 700 billion dollar bail out paid by you and the tax payers of the USA.

      This is the Bush/McCain fantasy and we know how it ends.
      Check out movie now showing in your local Supermaket.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/23/2008 7:42:45 AM

    Good article, the only thing the article failed to note is the mental capacity of the voters.

    The comment "but by convincing voters that only Bush could keep them safe" is but one example of a very limited mental capacity so many voters have, There are people who actually believe this, the fact Al Qaeda has no ships or aircraft does not deter those who believe we are waging a war in Iraq against an enemy in Afghanistan so they will not invade the US.

    There are people who will vote on one issue and one issue alone, usually abortion, but some will vote because they wrongly believe Obama is a Muslim.

    The issue of organized labor has been one the GOP has propagandized since Nixon, Organized labor had more to do with creating the middle class in this country than any President, yet it is not uncommon to hear some guy making minimum wage, claiming the fault of a bad economy is the Unions, when in fact they are his only hope of raising his standard of living.

    Many of these people will go to the polls and vote based on the last negative ad they saw or with the words of Rush Limbaugh or some other right wing radio host ringing in their ears and vote against their own best interests.

    Many will vote against Obama simply because they are angry he beat Hillary or even worse, although the end result is the same; because he looks different.

    They may call themselves, "Compassionate Conservatives" because it has a nice ring to it, but are totally lacking in any compassion for anyone or what might be considered a conservative approach to problems.

    I see the word liberal used as if it is profanity, yet none of these users has a clue as to what it actually means, or for that matter what conservative actually means, if they did they would have to come to the conclusion, neither GW Bush or McCain among many others are not conservative at all, unless you can convince anyone ???bomb now ask questions later??? is a conservative approach to a foreign policy problem.

    There is no requirement made of voters to prove they have the mental capacity or the sanity to make choices in the best interests of America or even their own best interests.

    And the real problem is there are a substantial number of these people perhaps as high as 35 to 40% of the voters are simply too dumb or of limited mental capacity to be allowed to vote.
    You can call these people right of center if you want, and I will call them what I want and the word "right"isn't part of it.




    • Posted By: Young Hickory @ 09/23/2008 9:21:35 AM

      You are correct. We are reaping the fruits of our abysmal education system. Most people don't even know what conservative means. The majority of college grads can't locate Iraq on a map. We are making life and death decisions for people in countries that we are totally ignorant of. People still think Republicans are "conservative" when they just engineered the largest socialist takeover of the financial sector in the history of the United States if not the world. The financial sector alone is larger than the oil industry and healtcare combined. Can you imagine the outcry from our ignorant countrymen if a Democrat even whispered about government taking over healthcare or oil industry. The Republicans are about to do the equivalent of both in one fell swoop.

      • Posted By: cowen123456 @ 09/23/2008 9:48:41 AM

        omg, dems loose not because voters are ignorant. It is the very opposite, it is because voters are smart and see the worst of two evils.

        • Posted By: KDKay @ 09/23/2008 10:55:16 AM

          We are seeing the worse of two evils right now. Ignorant American's voted twice for the most corrupt government in history. Most people have no idea of the degree of cronyism, executive power grabs, signing statements, lack of respect for the constitution, and how the republican party is essentially the party of corporate interests (which apparently has a greed so uncontrollable that we are now facing a depression style economy).

          Before you blame this on people who got mortgages who shouldn't have, consider this: The banks were loaning money that belonged to the depositors of those banks--people like you and me. It was the bank's obligation to ensure that the risk they were taking with their depositors money was a well-considered risk. It was not. The banks caused this crisis because they weren't concerned with the risk it presented to their depositor, they were concerned about their own pocketbook. Why? Because depositors aren't customers, mortgage companies are customers. Deposits are product that the banking industry sold. Now, not only did they waste our money by approving ill-considered loans they profited from it, and now they are passing on the debt to the American public. Nice! They use our money, profit from it, take the profit and pass on the loss to the same people who gave them the money. That's the Republican philosophy in a nutshell.

          And it's the same way for Iraq and the profiteers for the war. They took our money and gave it to Haliburton and it's subsidiaries so that they could fund their own greed. The Enron Loophole? All your hard-earned money into the pockets of energy profiteers. The greed of the people who own the republican party is stunning. Yet most American's don't understand the connection.


          The degree to which a republican will lie without blinking is breathtaking. It's the Liar's party. Republicans will name a bill designed to rape the Alaskan wilderness the "Alaskan Conservation Bill" and all the stupid lemmings in the US will shake nod and say "awwwww, that sounds really good. Why would anyone complain about that bill". Witness the republican convention: On a day when they held up signs praising "service" they bad mouth community organizers. On a day that the boasted about their warmongering they held up signs that said "peace".

          Today in our country, a US citizen can be detained without being given the right of Habeas Corpus. You can get your computer taken from you at the airport without cause. Does the average American citizen know about the erosion of these rights? And, if they did, would they have the mental capacity to understand the impact?

  • Posted By: PSM0001 @ 09/23/2008 8:10:30 AM

    There are some solid points in this article, but I'm afraid that this country is changing and changing quickly. Just take a look at the numbers for new Republicans vs. new Democrats in most states. Young Americans registering for the first time do not have much in common with the Republican party. And within 30 years, whites, who make up nearly the entire Republican party will be a minority in this country. They may or may not be able to squeak out another victory, but the tide will most likely turn very soon.

  • Posted By: marc christophe @ 09/22/2008 3:26:50 PM

    Thank you for a good analysis. My parents were Democrats who came through the Depression and voted for FDR and JFK. As my dad said before he died, these men were liberal, but they were Americans of unquestionable patriotism. They understood that government has a role as a "Referee", but not as a "player". Somehere along the way (probably 1972) the party was co-opted by kooks , unrepentant Socialists and products of the radical left NEA classrooms. The Howard Deans of the new Democratic party are haters, pure and simple. They are angry, they are immature, and they lack the hormonal and emotional development to even consider opposing points of view. Bill Clinton broke that mold and he won. Barack Obama (the lover of Che Guevara, William Ayres and Rev. Wright) is a step backwards into the radicalism of McGovern and Dean. I am not "anti-liberal", but I will not vote for a radical party that seeks an ill considered and brainless restructuring of a free republic into another failed socialist state.

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 3:44:36 PM

      marc christophe: and you state this blathering bull crap about democrats creating a socialist state during a time were your free republic is dominated by Republican President and the policies of a republican party in charge of Congress 16 of the last 17.5 years. You say this while republican appointees engineer the largest gov bailout (read gov takeover and majority ownership) of some of the largest private corp failures in history.

      After years of debating calmly with the far right back on IRC during the first Bush election and now on blogs and new sites, I have no more patience. Try posting an opinion bases somewhat in fact, instead of this partisan crap.

      • Posted By: Galasso @ 09/23/2008 7:16:10 AM

        Christophe makes a very good point. The ghosts of Democrats past left a solid legacy of governance and fairness. Tough love. But they are long gone. The neo-dems as Christophe mentioned are most certainly presenting themselves as angry liberators of the proletariat - free health care, free college education, end all weapons development (Obama's own words), rapid legalization and citizenship for any one who finds himself within our borders, and suffocate creativity and entrepreneurs by capping earnings with a tax increase that will grow exponentially in the next decade. These are giant steps towards socialism. The Democratic Party is being held hostage by imposters.

      • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/22/2008 4:11:53 PM

        He does not seem to want to read.

  • Posted By: Honest Missourian @ 09/23/2008 6:55:42 AM

    This is directed to desertman.You are a complete idiot! You would rather have a old out of touch war monger,adulterist,who has no clue about the economy,who wants to continue to give tax breaks to the wealthy,even though it is a major cause of the wall street collaps,foreclosures,inflation,recession,$4 a gallon gas,rising unemployement rates, outsourcing of jobs,rising food and clothing cost ,and the declining value of the american dollar (-50%).Mccain owns thirteen cars,seven homes and really does not care about anyone but the wealthy. Not to mention the republican vice president candidate who has no foreign policy experience other than being able to see Russia from her backyard.The only reason Mccain picked her to be his V.P. was the desperate hope of getting the Hilary votes. A typical republican campain, full of gimics ,distractions and lies.This is the team you'd rather vote for.There are only 2 kinds of republicans,the rich republicans and stupid republicans.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/23/2008 6:46:16 AM


    Good article, The only thing the article failed to note is the mental capacity of the voters.
    the comment "but by convincing voters that only Bush could keep them safe"is but one example of a very limited mental capacity so many voters have, There are people who actually belive this, the fact Al Qaeda

  • Posted By: shredder53 @ 09/23/2008 5:50:49 AM

    desertman,
    You're kind of a racist and kind of a moron. One he is not muslim, and never was one (his father and step father were non practicing) Two its's better than the last eight (that's the number after seven, you know the moron part of you) years, where health care is awful, the economy is down the tube, and education seems to be at a low point if it can produce someone like you.
    Yours in Christ

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