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  • Posted By: shredder53 @ 09/23/2008 5:47:30 AM

    Desertman, you're kind of a moron, and kind of a racist. He's not muslim, and even if he was (which he's not: once again I point out the kind of a moron part of you) He's better than the past eight (that's the number after seven: once again the moron part) years. Health care is a bust, economy down the tube, and education is at such a low point that it produces someone like you.
    Get your head on straight.

  • Posted By: hkjonus @ 09/23/2008 1:54:26 AM

    Its been shown time and time again that the Reps will do/say anything to win the office. If Obama is all "Hollywood" then so be it. Check the polls, he's winning. I dont care how, as long as we dont have another Rep Prez Disasterous Admin like we've had the past 8 years.

  • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 09/23/2008 1:51:50 AM

    McCains new T.V. add Must see!! Great!!!

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/mccain_camp_runs_ad_on_obamas.html

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 09/23/2008 12:35:34 AM

    The Ignorant masses, the toothless Rednecks, the Bigoted South, the uneducated fat ass-s of So. Carolia, Texas, Alabama vote as a block irregardless of who is on the Repig Ticket, while the stupid Lib's bicker about how , why, when, and who. The Repig's stick together even if it's a couple of illititerates like Dumbya and McHoover.or a one-eyed Mongolian Pedophile

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 09/23/2008 12:29:50 AM

    The Dumbing down of America will be complete if McHoover gets in for sure. If Obama and Biden wait and defend instead of going on the offense they will lose. Kerry was a stupid Lib who waited to long to defend himself after getting swiftboated. The Repig's are professional , Slime meerchants.

  • Posted By: LudwigVanBeet @ 09/23/2008 12:25:41 AM

    The biggest reason they lose is that the Repiglican Slime Machine is an ongoing Slime machine that never stops. The wimpy a-- Lib/s try to be polite and nonaggressive while Rove shoves a pitchfork up their A--. The Repig Slime Merchants like Hannity, O'Reilly, Rove never stop and the Dem's try to ride on laurals. The Repig's have turned kindness into hate,

  • Posted By: Ron Paul For Pope @ 09/22/2008 9:42:20 PM

    This article is a distraction. It's feel-good "us-vs-them" fluff when there are real problems facing the country.

    Real Americans, Republican and Democrat, are facing a financial meltdown that threatens their futures and their childrens' futures. Oil prices are skyrocketing, credit is drying up, and we're about to start paying more than ever for our winter heat.

    We can choose between Obama and McCain.

    On the one side, Barack Obama is advised by Warren Buffett and Paul Volcker. Warren Buffett is the eminently sensible billionaire from Oklahoma. Volcker ended the economic misery of the 1970's and went on to manage the Fed under Ronald Reagan.

    On the other side, we have John McCain, whose advisers are Phil Gramm and Carly Fiorina. Gramm is the architect of the deregulation that brought you this meltdown, and called the American public a "nation of whiners". Fiorina was the CEO of HP who was fired after she nearly ran that company into the ground.

    Even George Will, the award-winning **CONSERVATIVE** columnist, said that McCain's behavior in the past week was "unpresidential" and made Will "fearful", while Obama was "calm" and "unflustered" (source: Sep. 21, "This Week" on ABC).

    • Posted By: ICYEYES800 @ 09/22/2008 11:14:13 PM

      You're throwing away you're vote, so don't bother going to the polls......Haven't people learned that there is always that "DISTRACTION" (Ron Paul,etc) who know they are going nowhere and are on the ballot as a SPOILER....it's just voting for the sake of voting...knowing your vote is going in the trash...

  • Posted By: rogerally @ 09/22/2008 7:48:32 PM

    Joe 6 pack is right. Take the gay rights stuff out of the Democratic platform, and they win easily. I became a Republican because of it. And I will never return to the Democratic party as long as they promote gay rights.

    • Posted By: AzTim @ 09/22/2008 10:57:01 PM

      I stopped voting Republican after Reagan caused the Savings & Loan crisis... after the Bush family profited greatly from it... and now John "Set the Wolves Loose!" McSame says Regulators were asleep at the wheel. What Regulators? He spent the last 26 years making sure there wouldn't be any. At any rate, the hate revealed in your comment makes me doubt you EVER voted Democrat. The most hate-filled people I can name are all Republicans. THAT is how they win elections. They make "White Trash" feel good about themselves and enable them to take pride in both their ignorance and their hatred. I've no doubt rogerally falls squarely into that camp and always has.

    • Posted By: AzTim @ 09/22/2008 10:56:29 PM

      I stopped voting Republican after Reagan caused the Savings & Loan crisis... after the Bush family profited greatly from it... and now John "Set the Wolves Loose!" McSame says Regulators were asleep at the wheel. What Regulators? He spent the last 26 years making sure there wouldn't be any. At any rate, the hate revealed in your comment makes me doubt you EVER voted Democrat. The most hate-filled people I can name are all Republicans. THAT is how they win elections. They make "White Trash" feel good about themselves and enable them to take pride in both their ignorance and their hatred. I've no doubt rogerally falls squarely into that camp and always has.

  • Posted By: Bornusa @ 09/22/2008 10:39:24 PM

    Hm....seems like the real slackers are the ones on walstreet who wants a bailout! supported by the wonderful ideas for deregulation by McCain and company. Dang right I don't want to bail them out! But it's true the dems try this foolish tactic of trying to appeal to the thinking process. That again in November Bush/Republican/McCain buried your dumb.... in debt but you will vote for the Republicans again. . They Republican really know how to work the stupid. To which the rich republicans refer to you as quote "white trash" after they win the election. You should be offended.

  • Posted By: Bornusa @ 09/22/2008 10:28:54 PM

    Actually the demoncrates don't win becuase the majority of the country are not thinking logically when it comes to elections. Sadly they think with emotions logic is void. Here's the thing that I wonder Demoncrates are depicted as more educationed free minded indiviuals. All I hear is those liberals with all there uppity etc...damn it when did getting an education become so horrible. Here's the thing the rich republicans need the "white trash" uneducated to put them in office by lying, and fear tactics. Here's the beauty of it when the McCain wins he will leave the white trash to suffer with the rest of us. You won't spend one night in one of his seven houses or 13 cars. So let's see how special you will feel then! welcome to the dems..zone.

  • Posted By: archmsu @ 09/22/2008 9:49:12 PM

    Because they're out of touch!! No one, even poor people, wanna pay for the slackers of society. Democrats lose because they think they assure party loyalty by keeping everybody dependant on the government, when everybody knows the Feds can't do a thing, especially today. Plus, regardless of your party , you have to admit that the Federal Government has become a beast that's out of control. This whole financial "crisis" we face is because of the Feds dropping the ball, especially Congress. They realize this, so they're bailing out all these greedy idiots to cover their butts for falling a sleep at the switch. Republicans are no better, they 're either christian fanatics or corporate lackeys these days. Frankly, i just don't really care about this country or people in it anymore, why should I? this country seems to be filled with greedy pigs and people look'in for their fifteen minutes of fame.

  • Posted By: ploughman @ 09/22/2008 9:33:29 PM

    The real Republican core is economic conservatives who are more worried about cutting their own taxes than anything else. In today's economy this includes most of the relative few who benefit from globalization and other policies that haven't done much for average Americans.

    The problem is that there aren't nearly enough people in that core to win an election, so they need to bring in others. Evangelicals still go for the tired running-against-the-Sixties stuff, and they want to hear the right things about issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, school prayer or a number of other things.

    As for that last 10% or so of voters they need to go over 50%, the big word is FEAR. Make people vote fears rather than hopes. Working-class America has largely fallen for this and been rewarded with 30 YEARS of stagnant incomes while education and health care zoom out of sight.

    When Republicans do get in power, though, they do things mostly to benefit the core economic group (tax cuts at the top, bankruptcy bills favoring banks, anti-union laws, etc.). Other parts of the coalition get table scraps. They say the economy will grow its way out of deficits, yet that never happens under Republicans (Reagan and both Bushes will have ZERO balanced budgets in 20 total years, despite Bush 43 inheriting one!)

    This time, though, the 9/11 and national-security bit has worn thin and we're seeing disasters from the deregulatory mentality they pushed so long and hard for. A wedge-issue distraction also won't cut it because things have gotten so bad.

    • Posted By: archmsu @ 09/22/2008 9:35:50 PM

      I thought this was a story about Democrats?

  • Posted By: sternenlicht @ 09/22/2008 9:19:25 PM

    Republicans don't have to win on the issues because they have long proselytized that proportion of the population that is susceptible to irrational belief. Rovian demagoguery appeals to a large segment of the population which is susceptible to irrational belief. It is a trait that has been rampant in humanity throughout history, and well documented. Religion attempts to herd people to the good side of that human frailty, Machiavellian dictators like Hitler and Osama have herded those people to the evil side. Whether for good or ill, the Republicans have made their cause a religion with the faithful. Loyalty is about faith, not reason.

  • Posted By: sternenlicht @ 09/22/2008 9:18:19 PM

    Republicans don't have to win on the issues because they have long proselytized that proportion of the population that is susceptible to irrational belief. Rovian demagoguery appeals to a large segment of the population which is susceptible to irrational belief. It is a trait that has been rampant in humanity throughout history, and well documented. Religion attempts to herd people to the good side of that human frailty, Machiavellian dictators like Hitler and Osama have herded those people to the evil side. Whether for good or ill, the Republicans have made their cause a religion with the faithful. Loyalty is about faith, not reason.

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 09/22/2008 9:10:18 PM

    Yes, greghere needs to go back to high school for a civics class.

  • Posted By: gmgl @ 09/22/2008 8:41:38 PM

    You know what I will remember about the Clinton years? I'll give you a hint. It was not the two nasty snarky lines this so called thinking reporter put in. No. What I'll remember is how much I never worried about war or financial collapse or deficits. How well I slept. How good things were. Now I know that NBC is about throwing out the "middle" or Clinton part of the party in favor of the so called "left" (even though I think any unbiased evaluation of Hillary Clinton's policys would have put her slightly to the left of Obama's, his mythical non vote on Iraq notwithstanding). Doesn't matter. NBC and Huffpost trash the Clintons and learn no lessons. Deliver peace and prosperity and rational solutions and people will vote for you again and again. Be about internal party warfare instead like Obama and the new media backing him was by not putting Clinton on the ticket and you've got a needlessly close election. Obama and the democratic party are now associated with dissing white women courtesy of the self indulgent VP selection by Obama and McCaine's clever pick of Palin. It's simple. That is why it's close. They can blame it on race and they will if Obama loses but he's benefited from race as much as been hurt from it. Race built him an automatic party base. Not extending his base out to white women by his VP pick was not only arrogant it was stupid too. We may have so many problems the democrats will drag Obama over the finish line.

  • Posted By: Galasso @ 09/22/2008 3:00:14 PM

    The Democrats used to be the party of the people but now they belong to labor unions, whatever minority or special interest group squalls the loudest, late night talk show hosts, potato heads on Comedy Central, and with the extreme left wing of the party in dominance, it is entirely possible that Robert Redford's omen may come to pass. He said that if the Democrats don't win the Presidential election this time, the Party is finished. And that would be a good thing so maybe it can be rebuilt from ground zero. Barack Obama's appeal has its foundation in the party's core that demands entitlements and fosters the hatred of any elected Government to the right of Fidel Castro or more contemporaneously - Hugo Chavez. The Party was taken hostage by the extremists after the Kennedy assassination when LBJ began the disasterous Great Society and quickly established a welfare state that lasted for generations. There are myriad reasons why some of us left the Democratic Party in the 1960's and 70's and it had nothing to do with religion or race. The Republican party has a far right wing as well, but at the end of the day the party is usually in lockstep when the voting begins. The Democrats are irreparably fragmented, and with con artists Jackson, Sharpton, the disgustingly porcine Michael Moore and his disinformation campaign, the condescending, patronizing Hollywood elite, and Al Gore's scheme to make himself rich - all putting a face on the Democratic Party - it leads any reasonable person to conclude this dog won't hunt. The Republicans seem to be always optimistic and the Democrats are negative to a fault. George Bush (like Carter) will be dismissed as an anomaly and will be largely forgotten soon afterwards - but few in the center or right-of-center see the Democrats as a viable alternative. They have controlled Congress for two years and accomplished nothing. The country will hopefully remain in the center where it belongs because a hard swerve to the left is not the best course correction for the hard right turn we have been in for 7 years. Obama is so mercurial it is impossible to put any substantive meaning in his statements, but given his socialist views and affinity for Marxist professors (his book) and the cast of characters in the Democratic Party - it is no wonder that he is hanging on by a thread this late in the election.

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 3:23:33 PM

      Galasso: Unfortunately there is a small sliver of truth in your rant, which is both parties have shown a stunning ability to argue about wedge issues for years while our great country sinks toward irrelevancy economically, morally on the world stage.

      That said, while Obama is not the person I would pick to be the democratic party nominee this election cycle, to ignore the shortcomings and outright danger to our country in electing mccain is irrational.

      Throwing all party issues to the side, here is why mccain can not be elected president:
      - Judgement: Choice of Palin for VP. This should be enough of an explaination but to elaborate; no more far right neocon types in the white house. Not qualified, not smart enough.
      - Age: McCain is to old. I'm not referring to chronological age; I'm talking about his symptoms including forgetting what he said hours before hand, unclear thought process during many of his public speaking engagements, he is not physically and mentally up to the task.
      - Temper: The man cant keep his cool under fire from 'the liberal elite' 'mainstream media'. How is he going to keep his cool trying to deal with world impacting problems.

      The list goes on. Why bother continuing 'cause nothing I wrote or any of the othe voices of reason wrote on this blog will be met by anything other than republican talking points; liberal elite, there gonna take your guns, liberal media, blah blah blah .

      • Posted By: Galasso @ 09/22/2008 8:03:59 PM

        Looks like we have only two choices - we can buy an Edsel or we can roll the dice and buy something that has never been test driven. Not much of a choice is it?

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 09/22/2008 4:04:42 PM

        can't you see the choice of Palin was automatic in response to Biden (Conservative to hold the base) and a ploy to get the media attention. Media made the republicans desperate. I think they did pretty good.

    • Posted By: bwlear @ 09/22/2008 3:38:21 PM

      So when Republican members of Congress are caught soliciting sex in bathroom stalls, attempting to molest pages, under inditment for fraud, praising a women who issist that another women who has been raped or the victim of incest be forced to have any child created by that attack, and socialized the entire finiancial system, that represents the thinking of most Americans? Your so quick to dismiss G. Bush but your canidate voted with him 90% of the time. Did you vote Democratic after Carter? But you expect the people to vote Republican after Bush?
      And how does " all of the party being in lockstep with votes help when those decisions were not in the best interest of the American people. I understand why you dont see Democrats as a " viabe alternative" , your too busy blaming them for all the problems that have occured while YOUR party has been in power for the last 8 YEARS!
      When did Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton get elected to office? Why dont you have a problem with the influence Ann Coultor, Rush Limbaugh, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, or Bill O'Reilly have had over your party? 4 more years of this type of leadership and we wont have to worry about the Russians or Irianians or anybody else. Try to vote in the best interest of the nation and yourself for once in your life, you might be suprised at how much better you and your friends lives are.

      • Posted By: Galasso @ 09/22/2008 7:54:48 PM

        You're missing the point and you're part of the problem. The point of the article is that the Democrats are clueless when it comes to the centerline. I quite agree that Ann Coulter is a superficial idiot and Bill O'Reilly is a gasbag. There has to be a synergy of action in the Congress where they all sit down like adults and solve problems but they are indeed the problem. The news media has more power than any elected official in providing "information" and influencing public opinion and they are accountable to no one. Why should these transparent morons like Coulter and Moore be given such exposure and the inevitable credence in establishing the lines of "battle" in electing a President? There is enough sensational scandal on both sides to go around but the news media has largely ignored the essence of the issues in favor of promoting this rancor and discord in the public arena. O'Reilly does pale by comparison to Olbermann however. I do think that Obama is alternately vainglorious and unpredictableand much too inexperienced to benefit from on-the-job training in the Oval Office in order to lead us out of the desert. McCain is not Bush redux. There was supreme dislike between the two in 2000 and McCain does not have the same swaggering, reckless approach to foreign policy and has a history of bipartisan cooperation - and we have no clue about Obama. There is so much confusion fueled by an unprofessional, agenda driven media that the political center is the only sane place to find a solution now and the public has realized this early on - witness the removal of Heckle and Jeckle from the election desks on MSNBC. Obama attempted to tack to the center after he looked at the polls - but now has drifted back left and is stuck there. Unless he can convince the voters that he is genuinely concerned about the overall health and security of the country, - in the center where the majority of swing vote is hiding - he is going to lose this election.

  • Posted By: marc christophe @ 09/22/2008 4:10:31 PM

    Having just read the idiotic reply by Dale Rutherford (and some of his other garbage) let me begin by pointing out the obvious. The Democrat party controlled Congress from 1952 until 1994, a period of 42 years. During that period they held the White House during the Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Clinton Administrations. Carter had an overwhelming (better than 2 to 1) Democrat majority in Congress, but Carter did NOTHING about the oil problem, NOTHING about alternative energy, NOTHING about the economy and, in fact, gave us the gift of "stagflation". Dale, you obviously are not real bright, but please tell us what was "good" about 22% mortgage interest, 12% unemployment, 19% Inflation, and a military so run down that it could not launch six helicopters to get our hostages? The Democrat Party held control of Congress throughout the 1980's and ran up record deficits (and tried to blame Reagan), while dumbass Democrats who do not understand the workings of the three branches of government drank the Kool-Aid. Clinton is the one who de-regulated Fanie, Freddie and the Banks, while Democrats like Barney Frank and CHris Dodd shoveled thousand of dollars in their pockets. oF COURSE, IT WAS CLINTON WHO STEERED THE HUGE DEFENSE CONTRACTS TO HALIBURTON , all of which were in place before Bush/Cheney were elected.
    Two years ago the Democrats regained control of the Congress. Two years is long enough for even the dumbest Democrat to author a bill supervising Fannie mae or Freddie mac (or to support McCAin's regulatory Bell proposed in 2005 but killed by the Democrats in Committee). Yet 2 years of Pelosi and Reid have produced NO LEGISLATION except, of course, a Resolution declaring August "National Watermelon Month".

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 4:45:04 PM

      march christophe is typical of the far right, mindless and attacking. No real thought; no ability to focus on the subject as usual. There is no point in a detailed reply because you dont have the desire to discuss your initial "point" (democrats = socialism) without failing mindlessly in all directions, including back to a single term presidency in the late 70s that inhearited a recession and a country shaken by republican scandle that was the Nixon presidency.

      I'm sure you will reply with more irrelevant, off subject bs.

      While you have decided I am 'idiotic' I have no idea if you are intelligent or not, but I do know you are a partisan hack. While bush has been in office my country has suffered the worst economic decline since 1930s and the worst terrorist attack on american soil. I'm done with you now.

      • Posted By: pejsar @ 09/22/2008 7:08:05 PM

        Dale, Dale, Dale. "The worst economic decline since 1930." It's not even the worst economic decline in my life time. I am a partisan hack, by the way. But I do understand economics. What are you? Opinionated?

  • Posted By: bgabriel28 @ 09/22/2008 1:15:28 PM

    The problem with this article is that it blames the conservative backlash against the democrats on the failures of Johnson's "Great Society" programs of the sixties, and does not mention those two other little pieces of legislation introduced in '64 and '65, the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. It is no coincidence that what had been the "Solid South" for the Democrats has been almost solidly Republican ever since, and it explains why the Dems have been fighting an uphill battle for the last 40 years. Pure racial bigotry explains as much, or more, than people's basic political orientation, especially when a majority of Americans are liberal on so many issues, such as public health care and gun control.

    • Posted By: AverageJoe61 @ 09/22/2008 1:37:24 PM

      No, I think the article got it right. The majority of folks in this country are right of center and hold traditional values while trying to reconcile that with one's right to chose thier own path. Your slur against the south speaks volumes about your bigotry and incapability to understand the views of people who don't agree with your liberal mindset.

      • Posted By: bgabriel28 @ 09/22/2008 4:25:02 PM

        What do you mean by "traditional values", exactly? Let me guess... you're pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and you think that a woman's place is in the home. Note to conservatives like you: just because something is "traditional" doesn't make it good. Racism, sexism, and various other form of bigotry are all "traditional" aspects of American society, too. Justifying them with appeals to religion doesn't make them any more legitimate.

        • Posted By: AverageJoe61 @ 09/22/2008 6:44:50 PM

          You are proving my point. With your mindset, the only possible explanation that people don't agree with your view and choices is that they must be racist, sexist, or some kind of bigot. It's too bad you can't see past your own bigotry to see that there are valid viewpoints that happen to be 'right of center'. I have as hard time agreeing with the right on certain issues as I do with the left, but I have an even more difficult time tolerating the ignorance and namecalling spewed by folks such as yourself, who demonstrate more intolerance than the people they ridicule for being intolerant.

    • Posted By: dmorris@cebridge.net @ 09/22/2008 2:30:17 PM

      You need to go back and read your history book. The Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were supported more heavily by Republicans that Democrats. That is a FACT. How do you reconcile a mixed race person such as myself who is staunchly conservative? Do I hate myself? Or is it impossible to believe that we may actually believe in the tenets of Christianity and conservatism? You perception of reality is warped. I am a southerner, highly educated, mixed-race, and profoundly socially and fiscally conservative.

      • Posted By: bgabriel28 @ 09/22/2008 4:00:41 PM

        dmorris, you miss the point. I'm not talking about how Democrats and Republicans IN CONGRESS voted on the Civil Rights Act, but how southern ELECTORATE has voted since then. Take a look at electoral maps before and after 1964 if you don't believe me.

        Aside from that, the Senate and house votes on the Civil Rights Act are skewed by the fact that almost all Southern Democrats in the House and Senate voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act. These were known as the "Dixicrats", and many of these lovely people, such as Strom Thurmond, later became Republicans. The only reason Republicans voted in larger majority in favor of the CR Act is that they were overwhelmingly from states outside the south.

        I'm sorry that you like to kid yourself that racism isn't still alive and well in America, and that it may well cost Obama the election. It's just hard to be optimistic when even longtime Democrats in places like West Virginia and Pennsylvania refuse to vote for him because they think he's a Muslim. Ignorance in action is truly a frightening thing.

  • Posted By: pejsar @ 09/22/2008 6:42:00 PM

    greghere, hey we've never been a democracy. We're a representative republic. Governments based on democracy are failures because of their inability to tolerate anyone that doesn't toe the majority line. Our system is tolerant, flexible and self healing when it needs change. You are a good example of someone without both oars in the water. Completely comfortable making up whatever it is you belive today to get your point across. Stop foaming at the mouth and try logical discourse. PS, on your planet does the RIGHT really control the media? I'd love to see that.

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