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  • Posted By: GregHere @ 09/22/2008 6:08:54 PM

    .....................................The United States is NOT a real Democracy!! The powerful wealthy elements control the news and political information that is presented to the American People and this information is biased and twisted towards the Right Wing of the Republican Party. The news is owned by Corporate interests in Cable and Network News Nationally. Radio and Print News in most States give the Right Wing twist and this has been going on for decade after decade to where their propaganda has influenced our elections going to the Rights and determined elections to where there is not much of a chance except for the Right Wingers and this makes the "Red States be the "Red States".........the twisted news tells America that Right is Right always!!!

  • Posted By: jh35180 @ 09/22/2008 5:54:35 PM

    In reading some of my previous posts, you will find that I am no fan of Barack Obama. Unfortunately, I have gotten into some of the petty name calling with Obama supporters. I have also attacked "Newsweek." MSNBC, et al. for their Obama bias. That being said, I feel that this time "Newsweek" has gotten something right. We are generally a center-right country. The extreme left elements have hijacked the Democratic Party and this is why we are left with such weak nominees: McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerrey, and Obama. Carter was an ineffective President. I will agree with C. MacLean to a point. That is extremist nuts on both sides have too much control over their respective parties. If the Democrats could nominate someone of the Scoop Jackson, Evan Bayh, or even Bill Clinton style of Democrat, I might be persuaded to vote for a Democrat. But when the Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer, Barack Obama wing of the party takes control that does not leave us open to many options. Frankly, we are in need of a common sense third party.

  • Posted By: glimps @ 09/22/2008 5:54:06 PM

    this Country & it's woes....

    the Repblicans know how to win by playing ppl, & the Dems play to nice when they need to get harder.
    Politics is a dirty game ( even if your a nice person). there are extremist on both sides & neither do any good for the majority.
    the "Middle of the road" are Independants & these independants are usally Conservative /Moderate's so every election is pandered to them ( who ever wins them over wins the election).. seldom the promises are held to them but they still vote mostly Repblican ( based on religion, way of life, ect..ect...)..

    what i'm still trying to figure out is who are the complainers after a yr. or two when the promises arent fulfilled? are those the Independants/ the losing party?

  • Posted By: ghuckabone@gmail.com @ 09/22/2008 5:51:13 PM

    The 3rd quote that will be remembered: I did not inhale.
    We're doomed.

  • Posted By: SPORTLOCK09 @ 09/22/2008 5:49:42 PM

    I think Dems lose elections because the majority of America does not except excuses or finger pointing for their faults. I wanted so badly to vote Democrat this year but I can not be apart of what most of you bleeding heart liberals believe in. In a nutshell, blame for all failures, accept responsibility for success, know what is better for everyone else, and if someone doesn't agree with you, they must be stupid. But hey let's not forget whats good for a Dem, is bad for a Rep. And when you point it out, they just say, but, but ,but BUSH........... Kinda creepy really, but hey, thats just my opinion and how I feel they lost my vote. I could be the only one who thinks this way but I would say the polls show differently. BTW, the rabid foaming at the mouth everytime someone makes a gaffe and excusing your party for the same thing couldn't possibly help either.

  • Posted By: sangjmoon @ 09/22/2008 5:07:33 PM

    History will remember Bill Clinton in a single mental picture of him with his pants down at his ankles.

    • Posted By: Young Hickory @ 09/22/2008 5:37:47 PM

      Keep your fantasies to yourself.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 09/22/2008 5:20:12 PM

    I don't believe this is a middle of the road country at all. Both sides have been hijacked by extremists who are too pumped up by their own egos and too arrogant to listen to anyone talk except themselves. A review of the vehemence found in this blog is ample proof of just how impossible the rhetoric has become; the name calling alone is abhorrent.

    The last time our country's rhetoric was this severe was during the late 1850's - neither side could give an inch or hear a morsel of truth from the other side, and we ended up killing each other in a war so devastating we are still lancing the scars.

    Another few years of this, and we will be shooting at each other again. We have chosen not to learn from our history, and we are doomed to repeat it.

    There is no center, there is only US and THEM.

  • Posted By: Gluckstaler @ 09/22/2008 4:59:50 PM

    History will remember Bill Clinton for the sentence "it's the economy, stupid!"

  • Posted By: marc christophe @ 09/22/2008 3:56:11 PM

    The article hit the nail on the head. The Democratic Party has been co-opted by a gaggle of immature extremists who cannot look at both sides of any issue. To their fevered little minds, one party is evil and the transgressions of their own candidate are unimportant. Look at the idiotic blogs by Dale Rutherford and BWLear for proof. Look children, has it occurred to any of you that when politicians change their minds they are called "flip-floppers", but when they refuse to consider change they are called "senile and out of touch" (if not worse?) Neither criticism is fair. Look at policies and long term trends rather than minutia, and maybe you will see something bigger than "whose team is winning the most gotcha points". As a historian, a constitutional lawyer and a political veteran of three-score years, let me propose the following: First, there must be a balance between the free market and government as a referee. Laissez-Faire capitalism does not work, but neither does socialism. Any candidate that wants to simply "re-distribute wealth" will kill off the very wealth he wants to redistribute. That is not theory, it is historical fact. When you remove everyman's dream of becoming a millionaire , the worker has no incentive to keep trying. In the USSR, the joke was "we pretend to work and the boss pretends to pay", meanwhile, there were shortages of everything. Do any of you Obama supporters see illegal immigrants trying to break into China? Russia? Cuba? No, they come here. Good old Republican-conservative USA.
    Speaking of Obama, he is the classic narcissist (if not megalomaniac) who fits the classic political science definition of the fascist "man on a white horse". He is a self-anointed savior of mankind, with a "record" of 143 days experience in the U.S. Senate. While McCain may change his positions as circumstances warrant , at least McCain is man enough to take a position "for the record". Obama is a sniveling, opportunistic coward who let's others make decisons, and then he chimes in later to agree or disagree based on how the decisions worked out. That is why Obama voted "present" 130 times, and why Obama had no response to the invasion of Georgia (he waited a week and then agreed with McCain) and no response to this latest wall street crisis (although Obama may have been obliged to shut up given the massive contributions he pocketed from Freddie mac and other sub-prime lenders , not to mention the fact that his finance chairwoman (pritzer) is a sub-prime mortgage lender herself. neither candidate is perfect, but I would prefer an imperfect McCain to a sniveling socialist coward.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/22/2008 4:11:02 PM

      Wow. Like Mr. McCain - not a true point in this whole long wasted post. Do you guys ever look at the truth? Ever? Well, maybe when you read it. Fact-check is on your right. They'll explain lying, sniveling coward. Was Mr. McCain a coward when he gave up US logistic under duress? How many died because of that I wonder? And fact-check will also tell you Mr. McCain voted less than - well anybody. Good luck in school sir.

      • Posted By: jtudor2002 @ 09/22/2008 4:45:50 PM

        The problem with your comment about dreaming of being a milloinaire is that by the time the Republicans are through with us, we'll be a banana republic and a million dollars won't buy a pack of gum.

  • Posted By: Bob.Koswick @ 09/22/2008 4:45:12 PM

    Marc, you are so typical of the Clinton blame machine.
    Can't you accept that your party has made terrible decisions and so have the democrats. Maybe you are a political scholar and I am some fool, but I did much better during the Clinton years than any of the last 3 Republican presidents and so did the majority of the country. I think that says something.

    Carter was a joke, we all know that, but that was 30 years ago! Don't blame this governments short comings on the fact that we had an incompetent Dem 30 years ago or your bitterness that a Democrat did a better job than a Republican as president.

  • Posted By: emmarcee @ 09/22/2008 4:00:07 PM

    Don't cry dem brothers. You made a mistake when you went for the thin resume hyped up candidate. It just takes an ounce of "doubt", for americans to go against somebody. This is what happend with Kerry. (It was not that people thought Bush can keep us safe) Wrong choices all the time. Like Bill Richardson, if he was man enough he should have ran along with Hillary instead of stabbing her from behind. Any body else! They found the Blessed Barack Hussien Obama!!! We will see.

    • Posted By: AskPlus @ 09/22/2008 4:06:29 PM

      Popular opinion is that the Reps lie, cheat, steal to win, then lie cheat and steal some more once they're in there, then blame the Dems for their screw-ups. Sadly, America is a very dumb country - take your stance for instance, it reeks of unevolved, petty sentiments.

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 09/22/2008 4:14:41 PM

        If you are a level headed adult, you will know that US president cannot do a lot to help and shield us from the market forces. The best they can do is to affect some social policies by not going against now DEm Majority congress. The change you dream is just going to stay in your head.

      • Posted By: emmarcee @ 09/22/2008 4:10:06 PM

        unfortunately, that is how people make their choice at the end. Hope you will understand that well. You know what, for your type of people Roman democracy would have been a great choice.

  • Posted By: Leroy999 @ 09/22/2008 3:24:15 PM

    It is true tthat this country is a bunch of stupid, religious-nut hilbillies that have no common sense. The country's wealth can't hold forever without a little brains and intellect. Soon other nations will catch up and surpass us. Look at the stupidity at throwing away 58000 young men in Vietnam, and 4200 in Iraq, all for nothing. The democraphics will be changing, our advantage lessening, and we'll have to stop this evangelical craze and electing morons for presidents if we're to stay prosperous, safe and healthy in the future.

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 3:37:15 PM

      No doubt Leroy999. I dont understand it thought. I live in the south near boarders of GA, TN, AL. I'm surrounded by people I like in a part of the country that I love, but these same people confound me. Year after year they vote against their economic and social interests. They are bright and hard working in their daily lives but to this day slap the Bush/Cheney bumper stickers on their cars, right below their stickers that say 'W - the President'.

      I dont understand it and it seriously breaks my heart. Even stranger is this election cycle. Obviously wrong to vote republican since 1994 and vote Bush into office twice, instead of thinking 'I made mistake voting for bush the past two elections, maybe I should try a different path' they are all waving the McCain flag now. I swear to god (who doesnt exist by the way) that a good percentage of the people I work with and see regularly believe Obama is musslin, that republicans are financial conservatives, that there taxes will go up (instead of the fact they would go down) if Obama is elected, that Iraq had heavy involvment in 911 and had weapons of mass destruction, and the list goes on.

      I truely dont understand it but my home state (TN) will vote Red yet again, as will all the southern states.

  • Posted By: dmorris@cebridge.net @ 09/22/2008 2:21:55 PM

    Great observations. Why have Democrats chosen far left candidates recently? I do not get it. This would be a landslide if Obama were a centrist. McCain will win precisely because he is a real centrist. If voters truly examine Obama's votes and not his campaign words, they will see that he is no centrist. On the other hand, McCain has bucked the party many times on immigration, judges, campaign finance reform, global warming, etc. Don't judge Obama or McCain by their words, judge them by their deeds. Check the Senate website for their votes.

    • Posted By: bwlear @ 09/22/2008 3:10:49 PM

      We will judge them by there deeds and Sen McCain will be exposed as the liar he has turned himself into in order to try and (fail to) steal this election. This once honorable man has forgotten everything he learned during his military service and his failed 2000 run. Sarah Palin is a prime example. He is a sad shell of his former self who needs to step back and remember that " country first " isnt just a campaign slogan. How can justify having Gov Palin this close to leading the entire free world? And then he gets on 60 min. and say that he has " no problem seeing her as President "! Was he really talking about President of The United States of America?
      How is it that you Republicans can act as if your party has nothing to do with what is happening to this nations economy? Are there two Republican parties now? Did G. Bush change his party ? Who had control of Congress for nearly the last decade? 23 years in Congress and MCain got it right twice? Look at the failures your party and it's big buck corperate handlers has enabled, Enron, WorldCom, Arthur Anderson, FannieMay, FreddieMack, Lehman Brothers, etc.
      How can you say that Sen McCain is a centrist, he changes his position more then a porn star! He cries that Congress was "asleep " during all of this while he and his chief finiancial advisor were the ones pushing thru all of the deregulation legistation that took away the power to watch the businesses that we now have to bail out. How can you say he fought his party when he voted with them 90% of the time he has been in office. Must have been a short fight. Just because he called out the religious right fringe as "agents of intolerance " before he reversed course (AGAIN) and went to speak at Bob Jones U, activly sought the endorsement of John Hagee (who gives Rev. Wright a run for his money but you dont want to talk about him do you?), and nominated Gov Palin for V.P.
      You keep supporting this type of governance and wonder why this nation is in the shape its in? You talk about records and refuse to look at RESULTS! Sen Obama is called a socialist because he wants to provide all Americans with an opportunity to have access to affordable healthcare while this Republican administration has socialized the entire finiacial system!!!
      Obama/Biden 08. Its our only hope!



      I have one question

  • Posted By: kapmep @ 09/22/2008 10:55:29 AM

    I'm a moderate Democrat who normally votes for Democratic presidential candidates. But I'm voting for McCain this time. I trust and respect him, and on average he's a reasonable moderate. Obama, however, is a far-leftist who has few qualifications for the office and who is tainted by the persistent smell of elitist anti-Americanism.

    • Posted By: millerm84 @ 09/22/2008 12:10:29 PM

      I'll take the time to remind you that Abe Lincoln served less time in any legislature then Obama, I'll take the time to ask you if you have ever met McCain spoken with him long enough to merit your trust. You call Obama the elitist because McCain's net worth is several times that of Obama. You call Obama anti-American because his preacher suffered under the cruel (and i'm white by the way) double standards of the white government during his youth and is still angry about it. You seem to be a person that votes by bumper sticker slogans, and I feel sorry for you.

      • Posted By: valark @ 09/22/2008 3:03:50 PM

        Obama isn't Lincoln...if you can't get past that simple fact, then you need some help. There are several other people who have had little experience who have done damage in the political world and several who have had lots of experience who have as well. You can't possibly compare either nominee to someone in the past who did well.

    • Posted By: luke23 @ 09/22/2008 12:17:16 PM

      McCain moderate? Please. Anyone who makes light of bombing other countries as a political solution is not moderate. John McCain delights in singing Bomb,bomb,bomb, Iran to the tune of Barbara Ann. That is not moderate. He is simply incapable of negotiating with either friends or adversaries because he does not respect anyone with a differing view than himself. Just ask his fellow Senators. They do not think he is "moderate" at all.

      I'm a conservative Reagan independent, and I will be voting for Senator Obama. The other guy is frightening, immoderate, irrational, and forgetful.

  • Posted By: modanofan @ 09/22/2008 1:48:52 PM


    "They will paint Democrats as out-of-touch elitists on the wrong side of the culture war, and a country that doesn't know better will accept their fabrication whole hog."

    Your words are the very reason that many ordinary people find Democrats elitist and on the wrong side of the culture war. You are as bigoted as any klansman, but you are so much more clever.

    Bob N

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 2:58:37 PM

      Mondanofan brings up an interesting point. What exactly is an ordinary person in my United States these days? Are they the people who dont know the definition of the word elite, to the point where the ordinary person believes that to be elite is a bad thing?

      Let me help you with the definition:
      - The best or most skilled members of a group
      - A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual status

      So the your definition of the 'ordinary' person is one who doesnt want an elite (superior intellect; most skilled in a group .. in this case politics; leadership) as president of my country the United States of America?

      If the answer is yes then you are a party before country partisan; the opposite of a patriot. At the minimum do the world a favor and dont vote ever again. An added bonus for us Democrat bigots (your words) why dont you run along to some other country that prefers dullards as their leadership. Not sure where that is exactly but maybe you could start a country on an uninhabited island somewhere. You could call it McPalinVille or something.

  • Posted By: keep1600 @ 09/22/2008 12:34:02 PM

    Kevin Hassett of Bloomberg has deftly explained how this mega mortgage mess can be pinned on the economic policies of the Democrats. See it at www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0 .Essentially, the economic break down began with the sub-prime lending of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, and when the warning signs arose, Democrats blocked all efforts to fix the problems. McCain and the Republicans need to make hay about this on this info quick to shift the poll-changing momentum away from Obama.

    • Posted By: amme48 @ 09/22/2008 2:38:45 PM

      (Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. He is an adviser to Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona in the 2008 presidential election. The opinions expressed are his own.) Explains everything....

    • Posted By: Young Hickory @ 09/22/2008 1:12:45 PM

      Let me get this straight. For six years between 2001 and 2007, Republicans had unprecedented presidential power and controlled both houses of Congress, yet somehow this is a problem that Democrats did not want to fix? Democrats have never been in control of both the legislative and executive branches during this whole buildup? The Republicans have. Think for yourself instead of reading Republican propaganda. What is their solution now - the biggest socialist expansion of government in history spending a billion dollars to bail out the financial sector. That is not conservatism. A true conservative would let the market take its course.

  • Posted By: ChuckGoodman @ 09/22/2008 12:08:49 PM

    What is really amazingWhat is really is amazing is what both parties call their best. I???m 63 years young and I am totally surprised every Presidential election by who each party nominates as their best to represent their political views. America is without a doubt the greatest nation ever, Yet, we continually can???t find the best Presidential candidates. It is so very obvious who will be elected in 2008. Senator McCain is a patriot, war hero and basically an honest man filled with integrity. He has the experience we need and the lion???s heart to do our country well. Senator Obama on the other hand offers nothing, absolutely nothing for the betterment of America. Senator Obama has not even a little bit of the positive qualities Senator McCain has to offer our great country.
    And than I have to think again?????????is this the best both parties have to offer? The above article is about the Democrats. They chose Gore, than Kerry and now Obama. President Clinton desecrated the White House. What is going on here? Is this the best they have to offer? It is so very, very sad.

    • Posted By: Young Hickory @ 09/22/2008 12:13:11 PM

      Kerry was a true war hero who fought on the ground, not some flyboy who got unlucky and got shot down. You Republicans chose to re-elect a cokehead alcoholic whose only claimed to fame was that his father was president.

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 09/22/2008 12:46:41 PM

        You really don't have any idea of what you're talking about. Kerry didn't come close to or even comprehend what McCain went through. Your "war hero's" picture hangs in war museum for his antiwar stance.

        Bush stopped drinking in 1986, yet you ignore the fact your own candidate was an admitted drug user in his youth as well.

        • Posted By: Young Hickory @ 09/22/2008 1:16:33 PM

          Too bad Bush stopped cocaine and alcohol because at least he would have some excuse for his stupid behavior.

          • Posted By: cobalt6 @ 09/22/2008 2:18:19 PM

            I guess Obama has the same excuse since he is a coke head! Obama has admitted to being a coke head! So lets not make the same mistake and lets all vote for McCain/Panil!!!

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 09/22/2008 1:06:28 PM

        You really don't have any idea of what you're talking about. Kerry didn't come close to or even comprehend what McCain went through. Your "war hero's" picture hangs in a Viet Nam war museum for his antiwar stance.

        Bush stopped drinking in 1986, yet you ignore the fact your own candidate was an admitted drug user in his youth as well.

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 1:13:01 PM

      I would defend to the death my country the United States of America, to defend its core values including freedom of speech.

      That said, has something happened to my country or has it always been this way? Now that I am in my early 40s I've been around long enough to see many election cycles and vote in elections since 1984. What I am referring to of course is the party before country that you see the past two election cycles (including the current election in progress).

      A comment I read states that McCain has the heart and experience while Obama brings nothing to the table. This is of course inaccurate and is prime example of party before country. As factual reality, party before country is the opposite of being a patriot. In this pivotal time in our country's history I believe that loyalty to party before country is boardering on traitorous.

      McCain is not only not a patriot hero, with selection of palin for his vp running mate he has crossed into traitorous territory. No matter what his supporters state, splin, fabricate, etc, palin is not intellectually qualifed vp or president of our great country. I could list the reasons why she is not qualified but every person who reads this already knows, and that includes her supporters (or more to the point, supporters of the republican party who place the party above the country in regards to loyalty.)

      So as there is argument back and forth between democrats and republicans on merits and demarits of Obama and McCain, the bottom line is this:

      The moment McCain selected Palin as his running mate he became a traitor to the United States of America and should immediately withdraw from the presidential race.

      Obama is not a perfect candidate, but he is bright enough to pick a running mate who could lead our country if something happened to him, while McCain picked someone who is not up to the task.

    • Posted By: dale rutherford @ 09/22/2008 1:12:50 PM

      I would defend to the death my country the United States of America, to defend its core values including freedom of speech.

      That said, has something happened to my country or has it always been this way? Now that I am in my early 40s I've been around long enough to see many election cycles and vote in elections since 1984. What I am referring to of course is the party before country that you see the past two election cycles (including the current election in progress).

      A comment I read states that McCain has the heart and experience while Obama brings nothing to the table. This is of course inaccurate and is prime example of party before country. As factual reality, party before country is the opposite of being a patriot. In this pivotal time in our country's history I believe that loyalty to party before country is boardering on traitorous.

      McCain is not only not a patriot hero, with selection of palin for his vp running mate he has crossed into traitorous territory. No matter what his supporters state, splin, fabricate, etc, palin is not intellectually qualifed vp or president of our great country. I could list the reasons why she is not qualified but every person who reads this already knows, and that includes her supporters (or more to the point, supporters of the republican party who place the party above the country in regards to loyalty.)

      So as there is argument back and forth between democrats and republicans on merits and demarits of Obama and McCain, the bottom line is this:

      The moment McCain selected Palin as his running mate he became a traitor to the United States of America and should immediately withdraw from the presidential race.

      Obama is not a perfect candidate, but he is bright enough to pick a running mate who could lead our country if something happened to him, while McCain picked someone who is not up to the task.

    • Posted By: bhop @ 09/22/2008 12:27:11 PM

      I respected McCain before his campaign. I would've gladly have had him beat Bush in 2000, where he surely would have gone on to win the presidency and would probably be president right now. But during this campaign, he has constantly relied on lies and smears. He's also chosen a grossly under qualified VP just to show pony around and take the votes of emotionally driven mother and men who just think she's hott. It's disgusting the lengths that McCain is trying to go to to win. I'd like to blame Bush's "black baby" tactics when he beat McCain for spoiling McCain's belief in integrity, but that still doesn't pardon him from his despicable behavior this campaign. An honest man no more.

  • Posted By: Idaho Ed @ 09/22/2008 1:34:49 PM

    Young Hickory,,,,,,,,keep drinking the KOOL AID........., doesn't do much for the mind, but great for the imagination.

  • Posted By: Daniel C. @ 09/22/2008 1:30:05 PM

    @ Tony V. CEO's raising commodity prices because they can't take pay cuts?? Its such so AMERICAN reasoning that makes this country full of some of the dumbest heads in the industrialized world.

  • Posted By: LVUONG @ 09/22/2008 1:21:51 PM

    Obama is even worse, he is extreme left.

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