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  • Posted By: Spinner @ 09/22/2008 4:34:28 PM

    This privatization idea had been discussed long before the rule of "being born before 1950" was included in the "plan" in 2005. If privatization had been instituted when it was first discussed, elderly women would indeed have been a part of this picture. Bush just decided to try to push it through again more recently and added the "1950" part. More importantly, why does your article not mention this, or say anything positive about what Sen. Obama was trying to explain, and why?

  • Posted By: TruthForward @ 09/22/2008 3:59:10 PM

    "No documents found."

    Well that's it folks, that's McCain's entire plan to fix Social Security, according to his website. Good luck if you think he should be elected.

    • Posted By: neocon @ 09/22/2008 4:17:32 PM

      Here I'll help you out. You just don't seem to put out the effort to find the facts do yu?

      http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/reform.htm

  • Posted By: Suzls @ 09/22/2008 1:57:39 PM

    Either way, Obama has a plan that does protect our social security. McCain's plan would put an end to social security as we know it and our young people, our children and grandchildren would suffer horribly under McCain's plan.

    • Posted By: neocon @ 09/22/2008 3:29:34 PM

      Your statement is false. There is no basis for Obama to claim that "the millions" who rely on those benefits would be affected, or that anyone's nest egg would "disappear." But McCain does support allowing some Social Security funds to enter the stock market in the future, while Obama does not.

    • Posted By: neocon @ 09/22/2008 3:16:46 PM

      Get your facts straight.

  • Posted By: neocon @ 09/22/2008 3:14:32 PM

    On his Web site, McCain says he "supports supplementing the current Social Security system with personal accounts ??? but not as a substitute for addressing benefit promises that cannot be kept." The Web site does not specify how those accounts would operate. But McCain supported President Bush's plan in 2005 to allow some workers to place a limited amount of their payroll taxes into private accounts, which would have been invested in stock or bond funds.
    That proposal ??? which never came to a vote ??? limited participation to people born in 1950 or later. None of today's recipients of Social Security retirement benefits is old enough to have participated. So, under the specific plan that McCain weighed in on, it is wrong to say that "the millions of Floridians who rely on" those benefits would have them tied to the stock market. Some younger people who chose to participate would have their future benefits affected.
    It's also important to note that we can't know whether the private funds President Bush proposed may ultimately have benefited someone who chose to participate. And even with a prolonged stock downturn, it is incorrect to say that these nest eggs would "disappear," since the plan McCain supported would only allow for a portion of someone's Social Security contributions to go into
    a personal savings account. And McCain himself describes the accounts he espouses as "supplementing" the current system ??? not replacing it.
    With nearly 80 million Americans expected to become eligible for Social Security retirement benefits in the next two decades, the program presents a financial drain on a nation that is already trillions of dollars in debt. It is a critical and controversial issue ??? and prime election fodder, particularly in swing states like Florida, in which votes among older citizens could make a huge difference.

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:40:42 AM

    10. Does the tax distribu­tion look a lot different if we factor in other federal taxes, such as the payroll tax?

    It???s true that the distribution of taxes is somewhat more equally divided when payroll taxes are accounted for???but the change is surprisingly small. Payroll taxes of 15 percent are charged on the first dollar of income earned by a worker, and most of the tax is capped at an income of just below $100,000. The Tax Policy Center, run by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, recently studied payroll and income taxes paid by each income group. The richest 1 percent pay 27.5 percent of the combined burden, the top 20 percent pay 72 percent, and the bottom 20 percent pay just 0.4 percent. One reason that the disparity in tax shares is so large is that Americans in the bottom quintile who have jobs get reimbursed for some or all of their 15 percent payroll tax through the earned-income tax credit (EITC), a fairly efficient poverty-abatement program.

    11. How do tax rates in the United States compare with tax rates abroad?

    Overall, taxes are between 10 percent and 20 percent lower in the United States than they are in most other industrial nations. This gives America a competitive edge in world markets. But America???s lead in low tax rates is shrinking. For example, the United States now has the second-highest corporate income tax in the developed world, after Japan. Our personal income tax rate is still low by historical standards. But in recent years many European and Pacific Rim nations have been slashing income taxes???there are now ten Eastern European nations with flat-tax rates between 12 percent and 25 percent???while the political pressure in Washington, D.C., is to raise them.

    • Posted By: befair @ 09/22/2008 11:55:08 AM

      I will certainly give you your due. You are good at researching and quoting facts. You may want to write a book about it. I do wonder though, if the average voter is going to take the time to go in depth the way you have. We have to be realistic and know that many people vote on an emotional basis and not on a factual basis. The subject on this article is about candidates exaggerating. I think all of them do it and the voters are pretty adapt at knowing it and ignoring it.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 2:39:18 PM

        You are right candidates do exagerate and voters are lead around by their noses and never check things out for themselves.... most voters don't even know what their candidates really support ... they just vote the ticket blindly.... both democrats and republicans

  • Posted By: willnotvoteobama @ 09/22/2008 9:04:00 AM

    why is it okay to tie bush to mccain>>>>>>>> but if you tie obama to resko, ayres, wright, saul alinsky,and all those other questionable freinds its not okay this is bull *** double standard liberal bull *** !

    • Posted By: befair @ 09/22/2008 11:11:14 AM

      I think it is ok to tie Bush and McCain together because McCain himself has said he voted with bush over 90% of the time. Both Obama and McCain have met people and associated with people that allow people to try to disparage their character. I happen to believe that Obama and McCain are both men of honor but the way they choose to see the issues that effect all of us is what causes me to believe that Obama will be a much better President.

      • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:27:02 AM

        So you think Obama is better... okay then why did Obama support the Democratic Congress 97% of the time and voted with George W. Bush 49% of the time?

        Q: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?
        The Obama campaign keeps claiming McCain has voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time. Is this true? Is this significant?
        A: Yes, it's true, according to Congressional Quarterly's assessment of McCain's voting record.
        Sen. Barack Obama has attempted to use the Arizona senator's voting record against him in statements like this:

        Barack Obama (June 3): It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush 95 percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year.

        The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time ??? the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office ??? and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

        Democrats are, of course, attempting to make the case that a vote for McCain is a vote to continue the policies of Bush, whose approval ratings are, to put it charitably, not a political asset for McCain.


        Is 95% "Significant"?


        As for whether voting with Bush 95 percent of the time last year is "significant," that's a matter of opinion that we leave to readers to determine for themselves.

        When doing so, they may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007. That shouldn't be terribly surprising. Even the Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, voted with Bush 39 percent of the time last year, according to the way Congressional Quarterly rates the votes.

        The McCain campaign points out that Obama told a local TV interviewer recently that "the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush." Obama was actually wrong about that. In 2006 he voted alongside the president 49 percent of the time, and in 2005, the year before Democrats took control of the Senate, Obama voted with the president only 33 percent of the time.

        Also, Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.


        And so . . .


        So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career.

        - Emi Kolawole


        http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

        • Posted By: befair @ 09/22/2008 11:40:01 AM

          The reason it is important to note the loyalty that McCain shows to Bush is because McCain is claiming to be about change. Voting 90% of the time with Bush is not change. You site Obama's voting record and you try to make it all the same. When 80% of the American people believe that Bush has been a failure as a leader, that should tell you that we do not wish to repeat his failures by electing a man who thinks Bush has been right on the important issues that effect all of us. When we share our views and opinions on these sites we do not have to be disrespectful. Your thoughts are important to you and mine are to me. No need to be so angry.

          • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 2:22:47 PM

            Posted By: befair @ 09/22/2008 11:40:01 AM
            Comment: The reason it is important to note the loyalty that McCain shows to Bush is because McCain is claiming to be about change. Voting 90% of the time with Bush is not change.

            Does it show loyalty to Bush or the Republican party? I think more likely the republican party.....

            You site Obama's voting record and you try to make it all the same. When 80% of the American people believe that Bush has been a failure as a leader, that should tell you that we do not wish to repeat his failures by electing a man who thinks Bush has been right on the important issues that effect all of us.

            I site Obama"s voting record to show that he himself has voted 49% at one point so I guess Bush wasn't wrong when he himself voted to support the same policies McCain supported.... and then when the democratic Senate and Congress got in office in 2006 (which more than 90% of Americans have a lower approval rating for them than they have of president Bush) he voted with them 97% of the time.... So why should we elect somebody like Obama who has proven that he is all talk and doesn't promote the change he talks about?

            When we share our views and opinions on these sites we do not have to be disrespectful. Your thoughts are important to you and mine are to me. No need to be so angry.

            I'm not angry and 99% of what I posted is not me saying a thing?? Check out the site and then you will know that it is someone else.... In this post I only wrote the first sentence... comparing 90% to 49% and 97% voting with Congress...

  • Posted By: frostyAK @ 09/21/2008 6:27:01 AM

    These posts clearly indicate that many don???t understand where Social Security is headed if reform is not immediate.

    For those crying ???the war costs too much??? and/or ???the deficit is tremendous??? here are some number facts. The current defense spending is 4.2% of GDP. This is up by 1.2% because of the war but also necessary regardless due to an under funded defense budget (3% of GDP from the 1990???s.) and is still well below the historical average of 5.5%.

    The current federal deficit is at 2.9% of GDP slightly above the average of 2.5%. The budget surplus or deficit is an indicator of how much the annual debt has CHANGED. To get an accurate understanding of our indebtedness you have to look at the debt RATIO which currently is 38% of GDP. Lower than the historical average of 45% and lower than any time during the 1990???s.

    The public debt will, however, be pushed to staggering levels (300% of GDP by 2050; 850% by 2082) because the federal deficit will be driven to 18% by entitlement spending (Social Security, medicare, medicaid, etc.) which will more than double in the next 40 years. This is because the population collecting social security is increasing at a much faster rate than the population supporting social security. In less than 30 years retires (65+) will grow nearly 50% but those paying into the system (20-64 years old) will only grow by about 11%.

    In 1945 there were 42 workers for each retiree. Today there are only 3.3 and by 2025 the ratio will drop to approximately two workers for each retiree.

    Beginning 2017 the program begins paying out more than it takes in. Even though the ???trust fund??? won???t be exhausted until around 2041 the deficits will balloon at disturbing rates reaching $76.9 billion in 2020 and $312.3 billion in 2035. This ???trust fund??? isn???t an actual fund with real economic assets like stocks or bonds ??? it???s simply IOU???s the treasury owes the program which will have to be paid back with future taxes. This will also require congress to find new resources for the money it currently borrows from Social Security or reduce their spending by about $80 billion. Is that likely??
    Increasing Social Security payroll taxes for the 24th time (or Obama???s plan to ???ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a little more) will have to amount to the largest tax increase in U.S. history and still it will only delay the programs insolvency from around 2017 to 2025.

    Merely opposing a proposed solution of partial privatization isn???t a suitable strategy to solve a looming crisis and leaving it as it is isn???t an option ??? soon the retirees will significantly outnumber the workers paying in.

    • Posted By: obamaphoneyforliberalfools @ 09/22/2008 1:10:40 AM

      Bravo for speaking the truth, not that these Obama fools blogging here would care. My only suggesting is to include the links to Trustees report or CBO's.

      • Posted By: frostyAK @ 09/22/2008 12:48:08 PM

        Thank you, you're correct, it was late and I neglected to include the link. Here it is: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/TR08/trTOC.html

  • Posted By: Karenn1 @ 09/21/2008 8:45:51 AM

    Obama is right. McCain wants to get of social security he thinks its too liberal.Conservatives could do a better job on wall street.Conservatives now socialist.Conservatives been dead since 1980,conservative don't let deficit raise.

    • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 09/21/2008 11:58:12 AM

      Are you that ignorant to think we are afraid of so-called Conservative Ideas (Whatever that is) Look, your ideas have been tried and tested and failed for the MAJORITY of us. Conservatism whether it's Social or Economic is straight Bullshit! You got a clear example of it when you look at your VP Nominee " Palin"... she advocates ABSTINENCE ONLY Sex Education but yet her own Daughter is pregnant. I bet we would not have ever heard of that if she didn't have to reveal it to combat another Rumor. Life itself is revealing your Idea as nonsense and soon you will have to come with something else before people just say to hell with you all.

      • Posted By: frostyAK @ 09/22/2008 12:18:48 PM

        People who go through SAFE SEX education programs get pregnant too. PLUS, the sex education programs in Alaska schools aren't abstinence only where Bristol Palin attends. So, you see, Bristol had the usual condom on a banana education and like so many other people, still got pregnant. It happens. Your argument is pointless except as a silly distraction.

    • Posted By: annie29 @ 09/21/2008 11:32:37 AM

      And who do you think can do the job? CRS McCain? You have no clue

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:41:52 AM

    12. Do tax cuts on investment income, such as George W. Bush???s reductions in tax rates on capital gains and dividends, pri­marily benefit wealthy stockowners?

    The New York Times reported that America???s millionaires raked in 43 percent of the investment tax cut benefits in 2003. It???s true that lower tax rates have been a huge boon to shareholders???but most of them are not rich. The latest polls show that 52 percent of Americans own stock and thus benefit directly from lower capital gains and dividend taxes. Reduced tax rates on dividends also triggered a huge jump in the number of companies paying out dividends. As the National Bureau of Economic Research put it, ???The surge in regular dividend payments after the 2003 reform is unprecedented in recent years.??? Dividend income is up nearly 50 percent since the 2003 tax cut.

    The same phenomenon occurred with the capital gains tax, which is essentially a voluntary tax because asset owners can avoid it by simply holding onto their stock, home, or business. This ???lock-in??? effect, as it is called, can be economically inefficient, since owners have a tax incentive to keep poor investments, rather than drawing out the cash and putting it into assets that are more productive. When the capital gains tax is cut, people unlock their assets and reinvest in other enterprises.

    The 1997 tax reform, passed under President Clinton, reduced the capital gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent, and taxable capital gains nearly doubled over the next three years. The 2003 reform brought the rate down to 15 percent, and between 2002 and 2005 there was a 154 percent increase in capital gains reported as income.

    This explosion in realized gains cannot be explained only by the rise in the stock market, which averaged just 13 percent annually between 2003 and 2005. Capital gains tax receipts also far outpaced the revenues that the government???s static models predicted. Between 2003 and 2007, actual tax receipts exceeded expectations by $207 billion.

    Stephen Moore is senior economics writer for the Wall Street Journal editorial board and a contrib­utor to CNBC TV. He was the founder of the Club for Growth and has served as a fiscal policy analyst at the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation. His latest book is ???Bullish on Bush: How George Bush???s Ownership Society Will Make America Stronger??? (Madison Books).

    http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:40:08 AM

    7. Are lower tax rates responsi­ble for the big budget deficits of recent decades?

    There is no correlation between tax rates and deficits in recent U.S. history. The spike in the federal deficit in the 1980s was caused by massive spending increases.

    The Congressional Budget Office reports that, since the 2003 tax cuts, federal revenues have grown by $745 billion???the largest real increase in history over such a short time period. Individual and corporate income tax receipts have jumped by 30 percent in the two years since the tax cuts.

    8. Do the rich pay more taxes because they are earning more of the income in America?

    Yes. There???s no doubt that the share of total income earned by the wealthy has increased steadily over the past 25 years. Since 1980, the share of income earned by the richest 1 percent has more than doubled, from 9 percent to 19 percent. The share of the income going to the poorest income quintile has declined. Income disparities, in absolute dollars, have grown substantially.

    What is significant is that for the top 5 percent and 10 percent of earners, the ratio of taxes paid compared with income earned has risen. For example, in 1980, the top 10 percent earned 32 percent of the income and paid 44 percent of the taxes???a ratio of 1.4. In 2004, this group earned more of the income (44 percent) but paid a lot more of the taxes (68 percent)???a ratio of 1.6. In other words, progressivity???in terms of share of total taxes paid???has risen. On the other hand, for the top 1 percent of earners, progressivity has declined from a ratio of 2.2 in 1980 to 1.9 in 2004.

    9. Have gains by the rich come at the expense of a declining living standard for the middle class?

    No. If Bill Gates suddenly took his tens of billions of dollars and moved to France, income distribution in America would temporarily appear more equitable, even though no one would be better off. Median family income in America between 1980 and 2004 grew by 17 percent. The middle class (defined as those between the 40th and the 60th percentiles of income) isn???t falling behind or ???disappearing.??? It is getting richer. The lower income bound for the middle class has risen by about $12,000 (after inflation) since 1967. The upper income bound for the middle class is now roughly $68,000???some $23,000 higher than in 1967. Thus, a family in the 60th percentile has 50 percent more buying power than 30 years ago. To paraphrase John F. Kennedy, this has been a ???rising tide??? expansion, with most (though not all) boats lifted.



  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:39:22 AM

    4. But haven???t the tax cuts put more of the burden on the backs of the middle class and the poor?

    No. I examined the Treasury Department analysis of how much the rich would have paid without the Bush tax cuts and how much they actually did pay. The rich are now paying more than they would have paid, not less, after the Bush investment tax cuts. For example, the Treasury???s estimate was that the top 1 percent of earners would pay 31 percent of taxes if the Bush cuts did not go into effect; with the cuts, they actually paid 37 per­cent. Similarly, the share of the top 10 percent of earners was estimated at 63 percent without the cuts; they actually paid 68 percent.

    5. What has happened to tax rates in America over the last several decades?

    They???ve fallen. In the early 1960s, the highest marginal income tax rate was a stunning 91 percent. That top rate fell to 70 percent after the Kennedy-Johnson tax cuts and remained there until 1981. Then Ronald Reagan slashed it to 50 percent and ultimately to 28 percent after the 1986 Tax Reform Act. Although the federal tax rate fell by more than half, total tax receipts in the 1980s doubled from $517 billion in 1981 to $1,030 billion in 1990. The top tax rate rose slightly under George H. W. Bush and then moved to 39.6 percent under Bill Clinton. But under George W. Bush it fell again to 35 percent. So what???s striking is that, even as tax rates have fallen by half over the past quarter-century, taxes paid by the wealthy have increased. Lower tax rates have made the tax system more progressive, not less so. In 1980, for example, the top 5 percent of income earners paid only 37 percent of all income taxes. Today, the top 1 percent pay that proportion, and the top 5 percent pay a whopping 57 percent.

    6. What is the economic logic behind these lower tax rates?

    As legend has it, the famous ???Laffer Curve??? was first drawn by economist Arthur Laffer in 1974 on a cocktail napkin at a small dinner meeting attended by the late Wall Street Journal editor Robert Bartley and such high-powered policymakers as Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Laffer showed how two different rates???one high and one low???could produce the same revenues, since the higher rate would discourage work and investment. The Laffer Curve helped launch Reaganomics here at home and ignited a frenzy of tax cutting around the globe that continues to this day. It???s also one of the simplest concepts in economics: lowering the tax rate on production, work, investment, and risk-taking will spur more of these activities and will often produce more tax revenue rather than less. Since the Reagan tax cuts, the United States has created some 40 million new jobs???more than all of Europe and Japan combined.

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:38:52 AM

    Yes, income in America is skewed toward the rich. But taxes are skewed far, far more. The top 5 percent pay well over half the income taxes. STEPHEN MOORE has the numbers.
    1. Are income taxes fair?

    That depends on who is offering the opinion. Democratic candidates for president certainly don???t think so. John Edwards has said, ???It???s time to restore fairness to a tax code that has been driven badly out of whack.??? Hillary Clinton laments that ???middle-class and working families are paying a much higher percentage of their income [in taxes].??? Over the past seven years, however, Americans in general think taxes have become more fair, not less. The Gallup Organization found in an April poll that 60 percent of respondents believe the income taxes that they themselves pay are fair, com­pared with 37 percent who believe the taxes they pay are unfair. In 1997, the figures were 51 percent fair and 43 percent unfair.

    2. What income group pays the most federal income taxes today?

    The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul­dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent???those below the median income level???now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don???t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

    3. But didn???t the Bush tax cuts favor the rich?

    The New York Times reported recently that the average family in America with an income of $10 million or more received a half-million-dollar tax cut, while the middle class got crumbs (less than $100 shaved off their tax bill). If we examine the taxes paid in a static world???that is, if we assume that there was no change in behavior and economic performance as a result of the tax code???then these numbers are meaningful. Most of the tax cuts went to the super wealthy.

    But Americans did respond to the tax cuts. There was more investment, more hiring by businesses, and a stronger stock market. When we compare the taxes paid under the old system with those paid after the Bush tax cuts, the rich are now actually paying a higher proportion of income taxes. The latest IRS data show an increase of more than $100 billion in tax payments from the wealthy by 2005 alone. The number of tax filers who claimed taxable income of more than $1 million increased from approximately 180,000 in 2003 to over 300,000 in 2005. The total taxes paid by these millionaire households rose by about 80 percent in two years, from $132 billion to $236 billion.

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 09/21/2008 7:27:39 AM

    Obama is right. If Social Security had been invested in the stock market, it would have crashed when the market crashed. My private pension is invested in the stock market, and it crashed when the market crashed. When the underlying securities fail to produce, then Social Security can no longer make payments.

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/22/2008 11:37:44 AM

      Any loses now are only paper loses unless you were stupid enough to sell off. It is a fact that the stock market is up 305% from the early 1990's. With the potential for significant returns, even factoring in the recent losses, I would love to have the opportunity to invest privately with the option of leaving the balance of my accounts to my children when I pass away. With the current system, not only will I likely not receive any return on my involuntary investment, I will likely not even see all of the principal that I have paid in - not to mention that the government keeps the remainder. Even with the recent losses in the stock market, my retirement account has not even come close to cutting into my principal investment unlike SS.

  • Posted By: bojack27 @ 09/22/2008 11:24:34 AM

    Q: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?
    The Obama campaign keeps claiming McCain has voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time. Is this true? Is this significant?
    A: Yes, it's true, according to Congressional Quarterly's assessment of McCain's voting record.
    Sen. Barack Obama has attempted to use the Arizona senator's voting record against him in statements like this:

    Barack Obama (June 3): It's not change when John McCain decided to stand with George Bush 95 percent of the time, as he did in the Senate last year.

    The claim is true. According to Congressional Quarterly's Voting Studies, in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president's position 95 percent of the time ??? the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office ??? and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain's support of President Bush's position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party's position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

    Democrats are, of course, attempting to make the case that a vote for McCain is a vote to continue the policies of Bush, whose approval ratings are, to put it charitably, not a political asset for McCain.


    Is 95% "Significant"?


    As for whether voting with Bush 95 percent of the time last year is "significant," that's a matter of opinion that we leave to readers to determine for themselves.

    When doing so, they may wish to consider that Obama's votes were in line with the president's position 40 percent of the time in 2007. That shouldn't be terribly surprising. Even the Senate's Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, voted with Bush 39 percent of the time last year, according to the way Congressional Quarterly rates the votes.

    The McCain campaign points out that Obama told a local TV interviewer recently that "the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush." Obama was actually wrong about that. In 2006 he voted alongside the president 49 percent of the time, and in 2005, the year before Democrats took control of the Senate, Obama voted with the president only 33 percent of the time.

    Also, Obama voted in line with fellow Senate Democrats 97 percent of the time in 2007 and 2005, and 96 percent of the time in 2006, according to CQ.


    And so . . .


    So to sum up, McCain has indeed voted to support the unpopular Bush 95 percent of the time most recently, but less so in earlier years. And Obama has voted pretty close to 100 percent in line with fellow Democrats during his brief Senate career.

    - Emi Kolawole


    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

  • Posted By: befair @ 09/22/2008 11:03:54 AM

    The fact remains that Republicans want to privatize social security and if they had done that, then indeed many more Americans would be hurting right now. When you hold McCain to the fire and require absolute accuracy and honesty from his stump speeches and ads, then I will do so with Obama, until then, I like most americans take some of what all politicians say with a grain of salt. When it comes to the issues and the plans to make things better, I will take Obama any day.

  • Posted By: austin c @ 09/22/2008 10:30:34 AM

    Remember the fact: the original Barrack Obama, who died miserably in Kenya, was a habitual liar, drinker and abandoner of woman and children, among which Sen. Obama is the most famous victim of family abandonment which is still common in certain America community.

  • Posted By: obamaphoneyforliberalfools @ 09/22/2008 1:02:25 AM

    Everyone knows (or should, that) Social Security will be bankrupt soon, when the baby boomers retire. Its either cut back benefits or increase taxes, according to all the objective experts. Both of the candidates are not advocating real structural reform which entails real pain (the third rail of politics). Privatizing by allowing investing in the stock market will only help a few (McCain), vs pretending theres no problem (Obama)???

    • Posted By: Bacalove @ 09/22/2008 9:33:22 AM

      It is a fallacy to belive that Social Security will be bankrupt soon, not after the Government has showed its hands -- that it has billions, even trillions to bail out U.S. Corporations all around the world!

  • Posted By: Bacalove @ 09/22/2008 9:31:25 AM

    "In 2007, Wall Street's five biggest firms-- Bear Stearns, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and Morgan Stanley - paid a record $39 billion in bonuses to themselves." ABC's Political Punch -- I say no Bail Out!

    AND

    Senator John McCain???s campaign manager, Rick Davis, was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/2...

    More McCain Hyprocrisy

  • Posted By: USA Country Girl @ 09/21/2008 9:50:28 AM

    Lie after lie after lie. Mr. Obama couldn't tell the truth if he had to and this is what so many people support
    for the next leader of this great land? The libs don't have a plan, so they just attack and spread lies about
    those who do have a plan. This man is slick and we don't need another slicko in the White House. We
    need a leader who has the courage to protect our national interests and has proven that over and over.

    • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 09/22/2008 7:28:08 AM

      Country Girl... your plans have been tried and look what we have. You want to put our future in the hands of an OLD ASS MAN WHO IS PROBABLY ON HIS WAY OUT. Give me a *** BREAK!

  • Posted By: chipmcd @ 09/21/2008 4:27:14 PM

    I am 43 years old and have already paid over 100k towards SS not counting the employer match. According to my SS statement of benefits. If I retire at 67 (2037) and live to age 83 (median age for males) I will only have gotten about 95% of what I have already paid in. I don't think I will ever see a penny a SS. I am all for being allowed to put 1/2 of my SS decutions into a private account and accept greatly reduced payments along with the proceeds from my "Private" account. I also think that I should be able to pass along my private account to my heirs. Most of the people against these private accounts are for income redistribution and are ignorant of the true benefit of privatization. How come people are not willing to put aside for their future. It's the reason we are in this mortgage mess now. Refinance and cashing out for instant gratification and wanting more then they can afford. Accept some personal responsibility for your life. You'll be much happier.
    BTW; I am a disabled veteran and have been out 18 years and have not collected 1 RED CENT of disability because I CAN WORK AND PROVIDE FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY!

    • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 09/22/2008 7:22:54 AM

      You are a 43 year old IDIOT WHO LOVEs TALKING POINTS. Fool, the transition and maintenance costs alone will destroy the SS system. Just go ahead and say you want to Gamble on the Stock Market stop lying about you want to reform the SS System be INTELLECTUALLY HONEST you don't want to reform Social Security you want it destroyed because of your DUMB IDEOLOGY which have gotten us in to this mess we are in now. You are a DUMB OLD AS S MAN WHO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND RETIRE OR WHATEVER BEFORE YOU SCREW UP THE FUTURE OF THE YOUTH. DAMN YOUR STUPID!

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