Nice Bailout. Now Pay For It!

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  • Posted By: john123doe @ 09/25/2008 1:56:17 PM

    Let them fail is easy enough to say but in reality it is not an option if anyone has plans of working, eating, traveling, and maybe savings some money in the future. The problem began by the Feds over emphisis on inflation and failing to provide liquidity to the system. If we just let them fail the rich will stay rich and everyone else will be unable to borrow money, sell a home, or find a job because no financial institiution will be able to loan anyone money! Sounds like a depression to me which is something I would prefer to avoid. And if you can purchase something at below market values that is never a bad idea! However, it should of never come to that.

    • Posted By: Simpleton @ 09/25/2008 6:47:56 PM

      Here's a cleaner solution. If not injecting $700 billion in a recessing market is not an option, i.e., for the sake of the economy, we should have these monies available, open a federal bank with $700 billion in capital. Then, use good lending practices and loan money to *all* forms of businesses, not just, and *especially not just* the very same banks that failed so disastrously.

      Why bail out the subprime disasters to stimulate an economy?

  • Posted By: eharper13 @ 09/25/2008 3:51:20 PM

    Not everyone is just looking for a handout. I have a friend who is raising 8 children. She and her husband had 2 and have adopted 6 others from right here in the US. The last of which was adopted mre than 5 years ago. All of which have some kind of mental or physical issues. Yes they get help from the state but even with that and woking as many hours a week as they can while still providing a loving and secure home are still feeling the sinking of their ship. They are not far behind but just enough that they even go and donate plasma to make sure Christmas gifts are possible. They live very meagerly and don't spend unless necessary. What do you say to someone like that who really could use a bailout. Sorry you should be such good people and here I am taking your money to give to the bank but you won't really see any benifit you are still a month behind. So very sad. I have emailed this thread to my congressman, both my senators, and I plan emailing it to anyone else I think it might have a shot of really getting to. I suggest you all try the same. At least now I feel like I have tried to be heard.

    • Posted By: Simpleton @ 09/25/2008 6:44:53 PM

      Why exactly do they need a bailout? Who asked them to adopt when they are incapable of raising these kids?

  • Posted By: mom2K @ 09/25/2008 4:42:45 PM

    I am a single parent, barely making ends meet. Although I was prequalified for a mortgage when the money was flowing freely, I did not take advantage of it as I knew that at some point in time I may not be able to make the payments. I don't own a home and pay rent each month to fatten someone elses pockets. I have heard that the proposed bail out could cost every one of us an additional $3600 per year in additional taxes and lost services. My question is, why am I paying for someone elses mortgage? Why should I help those who were fiscally irresponsible and overextended themselves to stay in their homes that they never could afford it he first place? If I have to incur an additional $3600 per year, then give me a house also and level the playing field. I hate to pay for something I don't have and probably never will!
    Laslty, I think that the CEO's and directors of these companies that put us in this position should be forced to pay back all of their ill gotten gains. The did a poor job of running these companies and put the American poeple in an economic crisis. Instead of being penalized for their erroneous judgement, they are being rewarded with huge buyouts and healthy pensions. Take back all the money they received and put that towards the deficit. Use their money to bail out the homeowners and businesses. Let them pay to clean up their own mess!

    • Posted By: Simpleton @ 09/25/2008 6:38:27 PM

      I can only express my genuine sympathies for you. You did the honorable thing by not being irresponsible, and struggling because of your honesty.

      And we have the nation's leaders (democrats and republicans alike) who are going to discourage more like you by, get this, making you pay for others who were dishonest and exploited a corrupt, greedy system.

      If it was necessary to put money in so that the markets won't collapse, the easiest thing for the lawmakers to have done would have been to simply open up a federal bank with 700 billion capital, and loan money for *all* businesses, not just the failed subprime businesses.

      Watch how ineffective the oversight and the limits on executive bailout compensation is going to turn out.

  • Posted By: mom2K @ 09/25/2008 4:34:04 PM

    I am a single parent, barely making a living. Although I was prequalified for a mortgage when the money was flowing freely, I did not take advantage of it because I knew that at some point in time I might not be able to make the payments. I don't own a home, but rather pay rent every month to fatten someone elses pockets. I have heard that the proposed bailout could potentially cost everyone approximately $3,600 per year more in taxes and lost govenment services. My question is why am I paying for someone elses mistakes?. Why am I helping the fiscally irresponsible people who over extended themselves to keep their homes that they couldn't afford in the first place. If I have to pay for someone elses mistakes, then give me a house too and maybe the additional $3600 per year won't hurt as much!

    All of the CEO's and directors of these companies that caused these problems should be held accountable for their mistakes. Instead they have been rewarded with hugh payouts for a job done poorly. Make them pay back their ill gotten gains. Let them bail out the homeowners and businesses that they put in this position. The average tax payer is tired of footing the bill.

  • Posted By: jcray @ 09/25/2008 4:14:37 PM

    I think it is absolutely ridiculous that the middle class, lower class and poverty stricken people of America who already struggle to make it financially in life have to pay to bail out a bunch of rich business men. Please explain to me how that is fair? Don't middle class, lower class, and poverty stricken people who can barely make their monthly payments and are hoping to just keep a roof over their heads and food on the table deserve a break??? Instead of charging us more tax to help out the already extremely wealthy, the wealthy should just accept their loss and maybe use their money to help out those of us who are really struggling. With the way the economy is right now, the average to low income people definitly cannot afford to pay out anymore. The government, although they are thinking the bailout by the tax payers will help save the economy, is out to lunch on this one. It's only going to make things worse, and any realistic, smart person can see that. The government needs to come up with a new plan to fix the economy that doesn't involve taxing those who are already taxed enough! Additionally, what does that to the all of the money people received as part of the economic stimulus package? It's taking the money out of the hands of those who sincerely need the extra money and putting back into the hands of those who don't need it.

  • Posted By: eharper13 @ 09/25/2008 3:51:00 PM

    So it looks like we all pretty much agree that this bailout doesn't really help the situation that has been created. Could congress not take that money and pay off all missed payments on our credit and mortage accounts. I would think if you started with all accounts 90 days past due and worked your way up (60 days... 30days..) not oly would it help the financial institutions by funnelling in the money but it would help all of us who have worked very hard to earn a living but are still just that much short each month. I am not saying that this is not a little unfair to those of us that aren't behind at all but honestly who doesn't have a friend or loved one that is struggling. We as Americans get the perk of our own money directly helping us while fixing the banking situation at the same time. Yeeees I agree all these CEO's that are walking away with millions need to be held accountable for their crimes and the money returned but if the government really wants to bail someone out ...bail out the people.. Maybe it's my own weird logic but I think it would work. Now here is my real question. How do we get anyone to listen? How as joe public who means less than a grain of sand to the big boys and girls in Washington get heard. Yeah I can forward this post to my councilman, congressman, senator..but do they ever really see this or is some intern filing my concern in a file (13)?

  • Posted By: john123doe @ 09/25/2008 2:48:43 PM

    Bailing out the little people sounds like a worderful way to redistrubute wealth. No matter how you look at it we are heading toward socialism. If the plan is to bail out the people who purchased more house than they could afford then the governement can bail me out of my credit card debt while their at it. Even though I have a 780 credit score and have never missed a payment. I don't want my tax dollars paying for someone who was dumb enough to go off and buy a 600,000 home when all they could afford was a $200,000 home.

  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/25/2008 2:14:59 PM

    We can see here the real and systemic evils of fascism. I don't mean just the perverse Hitlerism variety, with its insane racial-supremacy agenda...I mean the basic form of economic organization that sanctions the incestuous marriage of private industry and government, which pretends to preserve private ownership "under public control". Either private ownership is an illusion, or public control is: they cannot co-exist. Usually the big money interests in the industry to be regulated gain control of the government boards and committees that do the regulating, and exploit the powers of those boards for their own profit. When the wheels come off, the big money interests scuttle away with their profits, and leave the taxpayer to try to salvage something from the ruins...as is happening with the financial industry here. The solution, such as it is, is NOT to bail them out when this happens. If the government just HAS to bail someone out in this mess, why not start with the little people who are losing their homes, instead of the big banks and bankers? If the failure of the system is threatened by so many foreclosures that the government MUST help, why not prevent foreclosures by offering assistance to those about to lose their homes, rather than Wall Street's Greedy Gusses?

  • Posted By: dieselm @ 09/23/2008 10:51:29 PM

    Warren Buffett invested $5B into Goldman Sachs today.

    For his cash, he received perpetuity preferred shares w/10% dividend, plus $5B more in options priced at 8% below the close.

    Can anyone here explain why if a bank like Goldman is stable enough for the world's pickiest investor to put money in today, why we need to give $700 billion of taxpayer money for free, no strings, no dividends, no equity, no options?

    If Warren would up his investment to $7B, 99 more private investors like him and we'd be at $700 billion. Or we can give half of 2007's personal income tax from every taxpayer in america to the banks for free.

    Outrageous. This crisis is a sham.

    • Posted By: Fred Norris @ 09/24/2008 11:30:55 AM

      I think you are totally missing the point - we are not giving money to anyone, we are buying below market assets from companies who need to reduce their over leveraged balance sheets. It's a win win for all parties when the US Economy turns around. (We need to then limit the over leveraging of assets by Wall Street in the future which caused this whole problem)

      • Posted By: Cassiopia @ 09/25/2008 12:08:40 PM

        This isn't going to benefit us the taxpayers. We could potentially wind up with a whole lot of woes purchasing these. I really don't see any intelligence in purchasing assets that are "below value" at the current inflated rates. This is a horrible idea, and just gives the government that is trying to control us more and more the titles to the property that we are trying to own. This just gives them one more thing to hold over our heads .... oh you don't want to do this fine we are going to demand payment of the debt you owe us in full or we are going to foreclose on this ... We shall then have a lot of homeless and just another "problem" for the government to "solve".

        This is a joke. Let them fail, or let them solve their own problems but do not bail them out. Isn't that what this administration has been saying for homeowners that are having problems. If they won't help the majority why on earth should we let them help out the minority fat cats?!

        • Posted By: john123doe @ 09/25/2008 1:54:52 PM

          Let them fail is easy enough to say but in reality it is not an option if anyone has plans of working, eating, traveling, and maybe savings some money in the future. The problem began by the Feds over emphisis on inflation and failing to provide liquidity to the system. If we just let them fail the rich will stay rich and everyone else will be unable to borrow money, sell a home, or find a job because no financial institiution will be able to loan anyone money! Sounds like a depression to me which is something I would prefer to avoid. And if you can purchase something at below market values that is never a bad idea! However, it should of never come to that.

  • Posted By: Cassiopia @ 09/25/2008 1:00:08 PM

    Woodrow Wilson on signing the Federal Reserve Act , "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

    Abolish the Federal Reserve!

  • Posted By: Cassiopia @ 09/25/2008 12:59:57 PM

    Woodrow Wilson on signing the Federal Reserve Act , "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

    Abolish the Federal Reserve!

  • Posted By: Another screwed citizen @ 09/23/2008 11:59:03 AM

    Regarding "It took both republicans and democrats to allow this to happen. In the end our elected officials have failed us. They were asleep at the switch when the train went by"

    Our politicians were WIDE awake when they chose massive donations from corporate America over representing the average US citizen. It is a government that has been bought and paid for.

    • Posted By: Cassiopia @ 09/25/2008 12:27:00 PM

      Thank you. This is neither the democrats nor the republicans fault, They don't care about WE the people, they care about their pocket books. The larger the pocket books of the people that can pay them, the more pay they can receive. This is all a joke. We need to take our constitutionally given rites to hand and boot them all out of office. All it takes is a Majority of WE the people to do this. All i see is unhappiness about our government we can remove them from office in a PEACEFUL fashion, there need be no guns or bloodshed merely signatures, however finding people that won't be corrupted by the greed and power of the office to replace them with is another story entirely.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/25/2008 10:58:39 AM

    Good question, who is going to pay for it since it amounts to $10,000 for every household in America 0r $2300 on every man woman and child in the country.
    The distressing part is it is a continuation of the trickle down economic policy of this administration, the $700 billion will go to the few and the many will pay it back for a long time to come and will sacrifice health care, education and infrastructure while doing so.

    Paulson has been described as the man in the right place at the right time to handle the crisis, but is "give me tons of money" all that creative?

    It may relieve Bush of the embarrassment of beating Reagan's 9.4 unemployment rate when he leaves office since 12% is predicted if the bailout doesn???t move forward.

    But for most American it has no effect, aside from more debt and may exacerbate their problems.

  • Posted By: lampcitymobster @ 09/25/2008 7:00:51 AM

    Why is it that, with a credit score of almost 800, I have to fill out stacks of forms to buy furniture; while a bunch of people with clearly demonstrated incompetence in managing money are being given $700 Billion with a 2.5 page "outline"?

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 09/25/2008 2:40:26 AM

    Actually, this is almost sounding like turning Americans in slaves, to pay for the rich! We won't go into a depression, there is no way that 100 billion in debt can cost 1 trillion dollars. America should be ashamed for putting up with this kind of BS. There is nothing complicated about it...simple accounting.

  • Posted By: warrior630 @ 09/25/2008 2:24:36 AM

    We should not have to pay for the problem of the wealthy. Let them become poor and see what it is like. I don't think Paulson knows what the hell he is talking about and if it wasn't for this idiotic president that we have we would not have to be in this finacial mess. I say no bail out!

  • Posted By: Sheller @ 09/24/2008 9:58:32 PM

    Every wonder what George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Paine would have done had England taxed the colonies $7 trillion dollars. Oh, I remember now.

  • Posted By: Bloggerista Babe @ 09/24/2008 8:36:21 PM

    Who's going to pay for the bailout? "The children of America," says the Children's Defense Fund.

    CLICK>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-tucker/childrens-defense-fund-fo_b_128878.html

  • Posted By: stevefal @ 09/24/2008 7:05:59 PM

    How about a fair alternative to bailing out the WS gamblers: http://stevefalcon.com/thoughts.htm#9_24_08

  • Posted By: stevefal @ 09/24/2008 7:03:54 PM

    Rather than bailing out the gamblers how about this alternative: http://stevefalcon.com/thoughts.htm#9_24_08

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