The Changing Face of Abortion

RE : bojack27

You are wrong about a lot of things because your perception is skewed towards Christianity. Witchcraft!!! Ridiculous. I wasn't condoning controlling men with this. I have personally never needed to do that nor would I. I'm just trying to make a point which you obviously don't get. Of course men call this kind of control witchcraft. How else would they persuade women not to use it on them? they burned a lot of 'witches' for less than that, like just caring for animals. It's scary to think that you are a women who perpetuates inhumanity to other women. Witches, you should be ashamed of yourself using this word to try to incite negativity toward me. So many innocent women have been put through hell and torture because of this kind of thinking, CANT YOU SEE THAT??????????

Of course the current state wants people to believe that Gandhi was what you say he is. They must discount his methods because they worked, for Martin Luther King too who modeled his methods after Gandhi's. Gandhi developed his methods by watching women suffragists protest in Britain, where he was educated. you do believe that women should have the vote, right? Well this is how it was done!!!!

You should be slower to believe everything you read. And looking at later blogs and I see you are physician, makes me very scared. Physicians like you are constantly trying to tell women that you know my body better than I know it. The medical community is full of sexism. You may even deny me birth control if I'm not wearing a wedding ring!!!! Your faith allows you to discount the opinions of others who don't follow the text of Bible literally. All religions have truth in them, including Christianity, I used to be one. they just don't know everything and all of them have something to offer you if you would just do your own research and study on them instead of listening to a preacher who has his own agenda. I suppose since you believe in the Bible you also believe that women can't be preachers or spiritual leaders......am I right? Again, what a ridiculous way of thinking. I think women have more to teach the world than you think. Women who raise children need to be appreciated for all of the things they do. Raising children is spiritual work that men would benefit from.

Since you think you're opinion means more because you are a physician, I should tell you that I'm a PhD in Cell and Molecular Biology. Of course as a scientist I am angered by MD's because they prescribe drugs they know nothing about, and do little else except maybe recommend surgery. So I guess we're evenly biased. here's another quote by my spiritual teacher for you.........

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.???
--Mahatma Gandhi

Oh yeah and you are wrong about some of the stats on miscarriages. Genetic anomalies and aneuploidy alone would make the percentage much higher.

Stop and think before you bring God into the abortion debate. By the most conservative estimates, 1 in 5 pregnancies ends in a miscarriage. Infertility specialists believe the actual number is closer to 1 in 3 pregnancies. That's a lot of pregnancy terminations initiated by God.

In response to the comment (question?) by sj32. When one person's freedom infringes upon another person's basic human rights in a grave manner, the law must protect the weak. Neither the mother nor the child ("fetus") are more important than the other. To look at the issue in that way creates a false dilemma. The real issue in this debate is about preserving basic human rights and establishing laws that will prevent an individual from harming those persons who cannot speak for themselves with regard to their basic human rights.
How does this issue affect each one of us personally? Of course you may ignore the issue because it seems to have no clearly discernible practical effect on you at the present moment, but may you ignore the cries of the innocent? Would you ignore a man murdering his brother or sister in the street, or would you care only if that brother or sister owes you rent for the month? The common good is not served by individualism, and each of us must become our brother's keeper, or we all suffer.

To answer your question SARAH. When I was in school, all social issues were different. Today, our teens see issues differently. Teachers having sex w students gets reported, Christmas Play is Holiday Play. Pledge to no one. My mother in the 1950s adopted out, todays teens have babies. Gomer was just funny not funny and. If I couldn't get an erection it wasn't on TV. Wake up to a new generation, We are getting older. I thought Columbus did discover America.

we live in the "free world". that means the freedom to make our own choices. you choose to have sex, you choose to get married, you choose to have childeren. you do not choose to get raped, live in poverty, get abused...yea yea "just dont have sex" how many people here actually follow that mantra? we all have sex, even "need" it. stupid argument. life does not exist without procreation

and the government does not pay for abortions, none of your tax money pays for it.

is abortion directly affecting a "pro-lifers" own life? does it keep you awake at night? does it make you regret being human? is it affecting your job, your rent, your family? if your pro life, great, now leave it at that. im so sick of people pushing they're own views onto others they deem "lesser".

your pro-life, but pro war...your "good christians" but you all lie and cheat and steal and commit adultary.

i was talking to a coworker of mine today and we got on the subject of war. all he said was "bomb the whole middle east and wipe them all out...just nuke the bastards" keep in mind this man is a devote christian...then i spoke about this article and he started saying how sickening it is that people kill innocent babies...hmmm...gotta love hypocrisy... last i checked our own government that will somehow be able to decide what a woman does with her life, is also the same government that launches missle strikes that always seem to entail a few dozen innocent bi-standards gettin killed or severely wounded. and we dont give them a support system either...

"land of the free to kill anyone, except that unborn fetus, thats government business".

enough with the fear. who the president is will not have an impact on what makes a woman have an abortion. let's get real. overruling roe v. wade, however, will have a NEGATIVE impact. women will still have abortions. we'll be back to the back room abortions and the coat hangers.

Well, get ready for these numbers to drastically increase if Barack Obama gets elected! After all, he doesn't care how many teenagers have abortions (without parental notification). He doesn't care how many innocent babies are killed... and if they don't die right away, he doesn't care if the "Doctors" just throw the babies in the corner and do nothing while they suffer a slow agonizing death.

"I don't want my daughters to be punished with a baby!" - Barack Obama

RE Bojack27-------Don't be scared. I'm not saying it's all about that. But if the woman of the world all closed their legs at the same time.........what would government do? What would men do? Rape? well then we are sure to be heard. Violence against those for change is nothing new and not something I am afraid of. Sorry to disappoint you. Why do you think I am deceived? Do you presume to know more than I on this issue, I guarantee you don't. Men like you often presume you are more wise than any woman could be, but you are wrong. Weren't you just talking about bald eagles....what do you care? You should educate yourself on the challenges women face. You should educate yourself on everything. Here are some quotes from my spiritual teacher.....Mohandas Ghandi

When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always.

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary.

If by strength is meant moral power, then woman is immeasurably man's superior.

If nonviolence is the law of our being, the future is with women.

Woman, I hold, is the personification of self-sacrifice, but unfortunately today she does not realize what tremendous advantage she has over man.

The Endangered Species Act
Passed in 1973 and reauthorized in 1988, the Endangered Species Act (ESA) regulates a wide range of activities affecting plants and animals designated as endangered or threatened. By definition, "endangered species" is an animal or plant listed by regulation as being in danger of extinction. A "threatened species" is any animal or plant that is likely to become endangered within the foreseeable future.
The Act prohibits the following activities involving endangered species:
??? Importing into or exporting from the United States.
??? Taking (includes harassing, harming, pursuing, hunting, shooting, wounding, trapping, killing, capturing, or collecting) within the United States and its territorial seas.
??? Possessing, selling, delivering, carrying, transporting, or shipping any such species unlawfully taken within the United States or on the high seas.
??? Delivering, receiving, carrying, transporting, or shipping in interstate or foreign commerce in the course of a commercial activity.
??? Selling or offering for sale in interstate or foreign commerce.
Prohibitions apply to endangered species, their parts, and products. Most of these restrictions also apply to species listed as threatened unless the species qualifies for an exception. The Act also requires that wildlife be imported or exported through designated ports and that special declarations be filed. If the value of wildlife imported and/or exported is $25,000 per year or more, importers and exporters must be licensed.
Exceptions:
Permits may be granted for scientific or propagation purposes or for economic hardship situations involving endangered or threatened species.
Penalties:
Violators of the Endangered Species Act are subject to fines of up to $100,000 and one year imprisonment. Organizations found in violation may be fined up to $200,000. Fish, wildlife, plants, and vehicles and equipment used in violations may be subject to forfeiture.
Rewards:
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Most people are probably wondering is ....what does this have to do with the topic.... It is a strange place where we can look after the offspring of birds, plants, animals, and fish.... and consider it a crime to destroy or kill these animals or plants..... and receive a fine up $200,000 dollars and two years in prison.... yet when it comes to the life of an unborn we say that it is a right!

Comment: Women cannot wait for men to get their act together. They have not done a very good job in my opinion of running the world. Maybe women should give it a try. I will always encourage women to live for themselves. When they empower themselves they can transcend this life. Our ability to control our fertility is vital to our liberty. Add modesty and chasteness to this, women will run the world. WE HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO GIVE LIFE. I'm tired of reminding men of this. We have what YOU want and need. If you seek our love and self sacrifice you should earn it. Until then, look to Europe where the government is so desperate to get women pregnant that they pay you to have a baby. When this begins to happen everywhere, we will have a voice. Maybe even equal representation in government!!!

Sex is not the problem. Sex is an absolutely vital part of who we are. The lack of embracing this fundamental part of our physiology is the real problem. Women don't often 'get it' because they are plagued with hang ups: abuse, rape, the 'good girl' 'bad girl' dichotomy, sexual dysfunction in 44% of American women, and selfish men who don't get it either. I promise if you're doing it right, your woman will want it. Men don't read self help books. They are guaranteed satisfaction in this matter, women are not. That's why the act itself has to be about us, women must demand this. Luckliy I have not experienced any of these things, only brushes with them. I have been multi orgasmic since I was 18. At 15 I was able to make a decision about my own life without my parents and because of Planned Parenthood, I was able to protect myself. I have had deep meaningful relationships with men who were unselfish lovers and I am so grateful for that. I have fantastic sex at least twice a week. I think everyone should have this. Sex is like food or water, natural, god given, and here for us to enjoy. The world would be a better place if everyone was having great sex.

Teen abortion rates have dropped also because more teenagers are keeping their babies. There is no "stigma" of rearing a child while still a child-- it has become quite fashionable. We need to offer free birth control to every woman of childbearing age who can't afford it.

To all that believe Abortion should stay Legal, Congradulations it is still Legal. For the so called Bible thumpers
I would say dont give up and keep having Babies. Someday they will be able to vote.

These "numbers" make me ill. These aren't just statistics. Each one of those "numbers" was a child who will never get a chance or a choice. I have two children and cannot imagine making a choice to kill one of them.

Hey, all you people who want to get rid of abortion why don't you adopt all the children who are in foster care who need rescuing??? How about all the children out there who are abused on a constant basis why don't you save them????? What I do with my body is my own business, so leave me alone!!!!!!

To wifenmother4evr, I don't think anyone suggested that tax dollars pay for abortion. But I'm interested in how our country was founded on Christian principles? They could actually be considered the principles of other religions that Christianity. Also, is a revolution where you kill your former countrymen Christian? "Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society." Thomas Jefferson. Seems more like we are founded on ideals of ancient Greek and Roman society (duh).

Outlawing abortions means going back to back-alley abortions and young girls dying of perforated uteruses or horrible infections. It's that simple.

The people accusing pro-choice supporters of "infanticide" should take a look at their own contributions to the injuries and deaths caused by the increase in illegal abortions when it's made illegal.

I try to exercise my rights as a Democrat American woman by having at least one abortion a year. I've even learned to enjoy it. I try to get Planned Parenthood to pay for it whenever possible just to stick it to tax-payers! Let them pay for my stupidity. My body. My choice. My dead babies!