If the issue is of a financial nature, i.e. not being able to afford proper birth control. Where does the money come from for the cost of the abortion? I don't know the cost of an abortion, but I have to beleive it is more expensive than condoms.
If the issue is of a financial nature, i.e. not being able to afford proper birth control. Where does the money come from for the cost of the abortion? I don't know the cost of an abortion, but I have to beleive it is more expensive than condoms.
Until all the anti-choice activists actually take in foster children, adopt unwanted children, do real work to stop child abuse and domestic violence, all of this is nothing but hot air. Why, why, why are people only concerned about the sanctity of life until the baby is actually born? Why are so many people who are upset about abortion perfectly fine with the death penalty, and cutting social programs that provide nutrition, medical care and educational benefits to children? I hear lots of protesting, but what I really hear is hypocrasy. Personally, I'm anti-abortion. My solution? I never had one.
I'm not really getting involved in the debate one way or the other, except to say that the part about having to adopt foster care children is ludicrous. The waiting list to adopt newborns in this country is 10 miles long. So many people want to adopt newborns and can't. Yes, their is a lot of older foster children. And more people ought to be willing to adopt them. But that is really a separate issue. There aren't a lot of infants out there that they are having a hard time finding homes. The fact is the waiting list on adopting newborns is incredibly long.
There are more than 100,000 children in the US who are waiting adoption. Yes there are waiting lists for healthy white babies but not for those with birth defects, older in age, or of color.
And every child in foster care costs tax payers $40,000 a year.
Exactly. They want to cry about the injustice of "murdering" a baby...then they cry about having to support that baby when the mother can't.
BTW those that think you should have the choice to decide what happens to your body - Again make the choice before sex. And then if you still need to make a "choice" to murder an unborn child. At least make it at your own expense!!!!!!
If you think abortion is murder, do you support putting girls and mostly poor mothers of young children in prison for having abortions?
Murder is murder. Do you think we should release all murderers onto the street today...or just the ones who chop up and suck out the brains of victims who aren't able to fight for themselves? Think about it!
Ok so what if a robber comes into your home at night and you kill him. Murder is murder.
There definitely is a consequence for illegal actions. Are you trying to tell me that an unborn child is akin to a robber?
Actually, yeah. There's a famous philosophical argument that compares a fetus to a robber. If a woman takes every precaution to become pregnant, like you take precautions to avoid crime, yet somehow becomes pregnant (i.e. the robber in your house), doesn't she have the right to kill the intruder?
So, you support prison sentences for desperate women who can't afford another child. You support removing millions of kids from their homes and dumping them into a broken foster care system. Now you think about it.
If you cannot afford another child, do not have sex! Or...make sure you cannot get pregnant. If you do become pregnant, give the child up for adoption. The waiting lists adoption of infants is a mile long. I find it sad that people will say how difficult it would be to give their child away, but apparently it is ever so simple to chop them into bits and throw them in a garbage can.
Well if a women can not afford a $500 abortion who do you think is going to pay the thousands of dollars it takes to have a child and raise it?
Overturning the Hyde Amendment is the fiscally responsible thing to do.
As opposed to what? Who else is going to pay for it? Public money doesn't fund abortions. It funds "family planning". I know those are the same things in "righteous town", but in real life, it is very different.
This country is way to judgemental and so are a lot of the bloggers on this post. You can't judge someone else's situation by your own experience or lack thereof. I had a friend who had an abortion at 24. She had a 15 month old son, an under-employed husband and worked very part-time. I want a child more than anything in the world, but I understood that in her situation it was not feasible to have another child. Her decision had nothing to do with me. And she has moved on to have a happier and successful life. I would have hated to see her miserable with another shild, trapped in a bad marriage because she couldn't afford to leave, and possibly neglect or abuse both children because of her misery.
And she would have been miserable. There is no use pretending that women stop being individuals in their own right when they have children and that their mental state doesn't affect their ability to parent. It absolutely does. She made a difficult decision that she felt was best for her and her existing child. Others may not have made the same decision.
I think the point of the article is call attention to the fact that while we have been so focused on school aged girls and preventing abortion in that population that for MANY reasons the number of older women having abortions has increased and that increase has been largely due to the fact that they already have children and having more would burden them financially and mentally. How to solve that is to provide better access to birth control (most private insurance companies do not cover the pill unless prescribed for something OTHER than birth control), better education, resources, and jobs. Some of these women would gladly have another child if they could fianancially support it along with their existing children.
What none of them need is an angry politically motivated attack on their very personal lives. They need support and options (not just abortion versus adoption) that are far reaching and complex just like their lives are far reaching and complex.
Is there ever an excuse to murder the innocent? On this blog many people give excuses for murder..... murder is murder no matter how you try to justify your position.... we all get into position we don't like either through our own doing or by others.... but murder is not the answer to get out of a situation especially if that situtation is not life threathening....
Is not the goal of Christian to spend eternal life with God after death? If so, the aborted babies are on the fast track to the goal...and they are basically sinless..so they face much less of a chance of being turned away by St. Peter.
Your an idiot! Plain and simple..... maybe we should start killing Christians since according to your reasoning we will meet God in heaven..... it still doesn't take away from the act that people are being killed..... gessssshhhh what a STUPID MORON YOU ARE!
And if you aren't Christain?
If you are not Christian then Eternal Hell Fire, I suppose.
There you have it- straight from the mouth of God or is it MoJabar?
What are you talking about?! Abortion is NOT murder. It is a forced miscarrage. You are like the rest of the fanatics on this blog both pro and anti choice. Too narrow in your thinking and too stubborn to look at someone else's situation and see that you cannot rubber stamp it with your own judgement. There are too many women who are facing awful decisions that many of us will never confront. Not only do we not provide women with a lot of resources we also don't provide them with much compassion.
Call it what you want .... but in reality it is just MURDER!....
Look at the methods of abortion and tell me that you are killing/murdering innocent children....
http://www.lifesitenews.com/abortiontypes/
nemo....
what about the babies choices.................................................................................................who speaks for them..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................
apparently people like you think you can speak for an unborn fetus, soo....you speak for them, you make a decision that affects they're life. you are that person. and you dont seem to include ALLLL the other factors that come along with bearing childeren in different parts of the country, with different levels of income, different surroundings that would affect that child later in life. it would be interesting to see someone that opposes abortion, yet gets mugged and killed by a person that was born from rape or incest that led a life of abuse and crime. someone born of a mother that phsycoligically wasnt ready for a child, that financially wasnt ready for a child, that wasnt ready to be raped or whatever the case may be...maybe one day that disturbed abused person will put a gun to your head and with no remorse kill you...difference??
What an insane line of reasoning. If there ever was a way to know beforehand which child would become a murderer, this world would be a paradise.
The author is definitely biased in her opinion. For me the most disturbing part of this article is the comparison of abortion rates in the early 70's to current rates. The data for abortions in the early 70's is limited and skewed. Many abortions were back room abortions and no one knows for sure how many of those occurred. Often the only abortions recorded where those that went wrong and the women had to seek medical help or in worst case went to the morgue. There was a reason for the legalization of abortion; which many people have now forgotten.
If Palin get in get ready for those days again, and it will be the fault of a womans descision! Made by womens choice, in a president for a single reason.
You dummy! Palin If she gets in does not have any kind of power to overturn anything! The supreme court does and if it was turned over the decision would be up to the individual states!
Why do you have to call people names, it makes you sound less intelligent. Anyway, McCain/Palin (or the Supreme Court) will not be able to overturn Roe v Wade anymore than any previous Republican President. It is a non-issue. The real issue about the election is the economy, the war, and immigration. Don't be distracted by the stuff that doesn't matter.
It is not true that Roe v. Wade is a non-issue. While McCain and Palin or whoever the next Pres/VP are does not have direct control over overturning RvW, they do make Surpeme Court appointments that do make these very important decisions. Not to mention many other personal liberty issues.
That is exactly right. They will be able to make the appointments (assuming there will be a change in the sitting judges). Bush has already made changes to the Supreme Court during his Presidency. It will not take much to change the overall viewpoint of the Supreme Court at this time. Even though Roe v. Wade is protected under the Constitution under the Right to Privacy.
: Hmmm
What about your tax dollars feeding the 600 billion a year military machine! May I ask if you mind about that????
All these billions wasted could do so much good to improve the american people's lives !
The madness and paranoia of this government is an insanity !! and you idiots mind about helping the unfortuate?? As a european point of view, you are not only insane, but dumb!
"What about your tax dollars feeding the 600 billion a year military machine!"
Yet Europe expects the US to be involved in every world catastrophy spending billions in aid more than any other nation. If you are really from Europe, why are you so concerned about our country?
Are you going to help pay the taxes for government funded abortions if Obama becomes president?
The supreme court (7 conservative judges right now) makes the decision. Besides, he has also always focused policy equally on prevention. How about some common sense policies such as health benefits that cover contraception as equally as erection dysfnction drugs or even simply combined with the reduction of the uninsured (read the report, the poorer, uninsured, and uneducated generally have greater abortions). Hate has to make you assume government funded abortions if Obama becomes president. Well we will not have to worry about that because of aliens from outerspace that would already come here as soon as they learn he is elected.
7 conservative justices? whatever your smoking, i want some. there are 4-scalia, roberts, alito, thomas. the rest are slightly left of obama/bill ahyers, ie, government control enthusiasts who like to legislate from the bench what the citizenry would otherwise refuse to endorse.
You obviously haven't been tuned in and listening to the 'Supremes' if you think that there are only 4 conservative voices. Out of the 9 Justices, only 2 were appointed by a Democrat. (Ginsburg & Breyer) The remaining 7 were appointees of various Republican administrations: Ford, Reagan, Bush 41 & Bush 43.
Opinions of the court can actually be reviewed on the official website- that way, one can read and think for themselves as opposed to parroting something they've heard on talk radio.
wildlife, the US defense budget is less than $500 billion.
Oh my GOD!!!!! These comments just enrage me!!! I'm a white single 42 year old woman and am happy to say that I'm Pro-Choice. I'm responsible and no one tells me what I can and can't do with my body. As for you conservatist groups why don't you go to all the foster homes in every state and adopt all those children who are in foster care. And while you are at it gather up all the abused children that are in the country and take care of them. Keep God and Politics separate. Its a womans choice on what she wants to do if she gets pregnant.
It's interesting to note that people who are pro-choice and so against the pro-lifers recommend that the pro-lifers adopt children, and seek a cure to the horrific problem of domestic and child abuse. Again the pro-choice are saying that these foster children and those who are abused are unworthy of the pro-choice movements affection. Why do pro-choice individuals seem to undervalue every life but their own???
Actually that's not what twiddle said at all. Nice spin, though.
That is a such a joke, many pro-choice liberals are out there trying to better the lives of those who are already here. It's hypocritical conservatives who spout hate against gays, yet go have anonymous gay sex. They preach values and morals, yet they support the growing gap between rich and poor and would rather cut spending for programs that help people instead of cutting the defense budget??? How many more obsolete weapons can we make so defense contractors keep making money? And it's funny how people who claim to be so Christian will still get divorced??? What's that about? And you can say people shouldn't have sex as much as you want, that's fine if that's your opinion, but I choose to deal with the reality of the situation that people DO and they won't stop. It's been that way forever.
I'm really disappointed in some of the language choices in the above article. "It's not all good news", numbers are "troubling", "sobering numbers". This is a medical procedure, and the "unbiased" media should treat it as such. If more women in their 20s had their appendices removed as compared to teenagers, no one would call it troubling, it would just be a statistic. Journalism lesson 101: the author's view shouldn't matter.
I noticed the rather one sided verbiage as well. It was hard to ignore. Though...comparing an appendix to a fetus opened you up to all kinds of irate responses! :) Brace yourself!
Don't worry about irate response. With that mindset, no one will bother. It's like trying to convince Hitler to love the Jews.
So there's always affordable abortion clinics available, but not affordable birth control pills or IUDs at those same clinics? What's up with that?
If Articles could give FACTS without tilting left or right. This issue would still be debated.
It is obvious from this article among other information that women use abortion for birth control. We are scraping, sucking, and chemically poisoning the children we have created for the sake of some misguided social expedience. It is truly sad that is "OK" to pluck children from our wombs, in the numbers of millions per year, yet we bemoan thousands sadly lost in wars. Which life is more valuable. The life of a mother who submits to abortion is forever changed psychologically. I am a physician and mother of 4 Susan Olsenpsycholicall
Thank you Susan
Ok, I really have to get some sleep now. I just finished feeding my 2 month old daughter, she is so precious. I can't even imagine ripping her to peices in the womb. I weep just thinking it could happen in my country. Thank you for speaking out against this tragedy in America. We have a long way to go in so many areas don't we? We must stand for life and goodness, love for all man kind.
Goodnight.
Bearfur,
I have been reading all your comments. You remind me of a man I know... Oh, yes! My husband. There are men out there who really do care about and love their wives and children no matter the circumstances. It is a true blessing to have someone like that to love.
I was at a gathering 2 weeks ago where a couple gave all the numerous reasons that they had to abort their baby. Yet they decided against it and are beautifully blessed by their child every day. They know the happiness they would have lost had they destroyed her. Many of these people just need someone to help them sort out the conflicting information that is out there. So many just do not know what abortion REALLY is. They are told it's not a child, just a bunch of cells. It's one of the most heinous lies ever told. And, unfortunately, many women find out after it's too late.
I hope you keep fighting the fight in your kind and compassionate way.
Congratulations on your new and precious little one.
When I was 28 years old I had a set of triplets. I already had another daughter. My husband then had a vacetemy. On the triplets first birthday, I found out I was pregnant again anyway. The vacetemy didn't work. I had an abortion and have never regretted it one day. I have wonderful children now grown. By the way, my husband left me when the triplets were five years old. He was out having an affair while I was tied up taking care of babies at home
Thank you for you positive comment about abortion. It's nice to show that not every woman who has had an abortion is wallowing in regret and heartache since this is truly not the case for so many woman who are well-informed and can make an informed decision.
do you know how many people wished they were never born? why force it on them?
Why assume that before they're born? Aren't you glad that someone left that decision to you?
Of course, if you were never born you wouldn't know it.
My question is why we think we have failed the 20-something/minority population. Where is individual accountablity. Why do I have to pay more in taxes to support an increase in educational altenatives to women in their 20's and minorities from more impoverished demographics. These women know that sex leads to pregnancy, and I would venture most know what to do to prevent unwanted pregnancy. We don't need an educational plan or additional costs incurred in contraceptive couseling for this demographic. At this point in a womans life her social background and own personal choice will propel her actions more than the advice and counseling of additional state programs and freebies. Medicaid is available in most states if the individual is willing to press through the bureaucracy to attain this help. Not only that, programs like CHIP are in place to help women who fall between the making too much for Medicaid and not having health insurance gap. What it boils down to is personal responsibility and personal choice. These women have an opinion on whether abortion is ethical, they have other options (including adoption just like teens). They may not have a great support network and they may have other disadvantages, but seriously do we need ANOTHER program funded by tax dollars to "educate" women or provide "birth control" when the women from this demographic will pretty much do what they want to do anyway?
I don't think anyone is wanting ANOTHER program. I think what needs to happen is for certain people and organizations to just get out of the way and let the programs already in place (Planned Parenthood) do their jobs! I'm also concerned by the way you acknowledged that the "minority demographic" may not have had "a great support network and they may have other disadvantages" and then you gloss right over that as if though it exists, it doesn't have any impact. THEN, you suggest we shouldn't try to education that population because they're basically ineducatable......."this demographic will pretty much do what they want to do anyway".
as proven last year by a ucla student, planned parenthood is still engaged in racial and economic eugenics a la hitler and stalin.
good answer. that will certainly solve the problem.
Someone broke Godwin's Law, tsk tsk.
Come up with a better, or any actually, argument.
Think about this: If a woman can not afford birth control how is she going to afford another child? Which is a bigger burden on tax payers? Paying to prevent a pregnancy or paying for the pregnancy and the next 18 years of the child???s life?
The real issue is life. What is the Preborn? It is a human life. No other arguement holds water, it is not ok for anyone to indiscriminately kill another human being. Planned Parenthood and the like have lied to our society, they have taken the noble cause of human rights and turned it into a slogan to make billions of dollars a year by killing innocent Preborn children. By the way, they intentionally build their facilities in low income populated areas. It is part of Margaret Sanger's twisted plan to eliminate minority races. Finally black men and women are realizing the truth about abortion. There is much to do however to educate them in masses so that they will finally stand up to the largest killer of their race, abortion and those who perform them. Abortion will end in America when the good people of this country stand up against it. Until then they are doing the only thing it takes for this evil discusting murder to continue, and that is NOTHING!!! Abortion will not end with a party, or a person, it will end with a nation that says no to Planned Parenthood and anyone else that is in the baby killing business.
thank you Bearfur and Itellitlikeitis.....I thought I was the only one left who knew about Margaret Sanger.
To claim that a fetus is a person from conception is idiotic knowing what we do about science now. If a fetus cannot live outside the womb without the help of modern technology then it should not be afforded rights. You can rail all you want about how your beliefs say that conception is the beginning of life. Well mine doesn't and I'll thank you to keep your views to yourself.
By that logic anyone who is injured and cannot live without modern technology should not have any rights.
I don't think abortion should be outlawed, but I think at least it should be illegal for people to use abortion as a form of birth control. No matter how people call it, be it "choice", or anything else, it's killing the fetus. Using abortion as birth control is unatural because nature did not intend it that way. Nature plans for population control with disease, predators, food supply, and behavior, but abortion is not one of those. We human had gotten so smart that we are no longer affected by those things, but that still doesn't give us the right to make a full assault on nature. Killing the gametes, sperms or eggs, is OK, because they get killed by natural process anyway.
I wonder why women who choose to abort for no other reason than they don't want the baby never stop to think about their own presense on this planet. Your mother did not kill you; she protected you in her womb; she delivered you, brought you up and gave you a chance to develop to your full potential. Why do you not want to do the same for the life inside of you.
I am an Irish Catholic Woman Democrat. I have always believed that a woman should have the choice to do what is right for her. The fact that this is still a policital issue is unbelievable - it is a moral choice each person has to make on their own, not be dictated to. The conservative religious are all screaming "Thou shall not kill" but they are strangely silent on the issues of an illegal war that has killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people - they are also quite mute on the subject of the death penalty. The Catholic religion wants to punish politicans who say they are Pro Choice but says nothing about those who commit adultry, divorce, lie, steal and push for the elimination of social services to help these poor children once they are born. You can't have it both ways. Keep religion and politics separate - help fund education, means of getting birth control, family planning - this way we can keep abortion "rare and safe" like Hilary Clinton so wisely stated.
It's almost ridiculous to think that religion and politics could be separate when this country was founded on Christian principle. Even putting that aside, I would like to say this... if you'd like to give people a freedom of "choice" then I would really prefer to CHOOSE that my tax dollars not be used to pay for the murder of children.
Not true. This country was founded on the principlesof freedom of religion, speech, etc. which means a person should be able to freely practice any religion they so choose. Pushing your religion on others is the exact same thing the founders were against. Abortion should be a state issue--like corporal punishment.
twiddlecapp,
Maybe you are right. Old people need to be cared for to, so I guess we should kill them as well unless you are going to adopt all elderly people.
To KFish1987: "My severe pre-clampsia only arrived in my third trimester and termination at that stage abortion is already illegal." So you would've had an abortion with your last baby if partial birth abortion was legal? Can you look into your child's eyes and explain to him that your life is more important than his?
She wouldn't be able to look into her child's eyes if she was dead...what about the children she already had?
I was not told I would die if I had another child until after my second baby. Abortion was not even a consideration with my second child.
I was told on the operating table by my doctor to never have any more children as I will die the next time I get pregnant.
My children believe my life is more important than another baby.
the reason for this trend is very easy to explain, of course Newsweek will never say it. The reason for the change in demographics is that there is a morality gap between generations. In the eighties most older woman had morals firmly established, while young kids who saw Roe vs. Wade pass were the ones who had the abortion boom and saw abortion as acceptible behavior. These young woman got older and carried their values with them.
A valid argument until you consider teen pregnancy has steadily declined over the past 2-3 decades, which includes live births AND abortions. It's just not taboo to talk about it anymore.
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