christopher_second - Still around?
christopher_second - Still around?
my husband cheated on me and had a child with her. I just find out 4 months ago. What do you think I should do. The girl is just 33 year old . He is 55. My kids are 30 and 27 years old.
Don't do anything right now. Let it sink in. This was a long time ago, Don't let it affect your health.
Peace
I think the "girlfriend" is 33 not the child that resulted. If you didn't mis read that then 4 months is not a long time.
Kick him out. You have kicked him out haven't you? What are you thinking? That you will now stand by this man? I'm just curious.
seek counseling before you Do Anything.
Lawyer. And a good one. No doubt, just do it.
I'd like to try once more to bury an incorrect interpretation of the whole message here. A lot of women who are posting here are hastily jumping to the defensive posture, believing that when a person or author says that a woman the power to lower the odds of her husband cheating, the underlying message is that it is their fault if the man does cheat.
Let me be clear that it is NOT the woman's fault if a man does cheat, but I still do believe that women have the power to lower the odds of it happening. As I'm prone to analogies allow me please to present it this way: I can help to prevent world hunger by donating to a charity that fights poverty and hunger, and hopefully my donation however large or small would help in some way. However if I choose NOT to make that donation, it does not make it my fault that someone somewhere in the world is still hungry. This may not have been the best analogy but I hope it makes it a little more clear.
The poster before this is right in that there are SOME men who will do wrong no matter what. And anyone that would use a little fussiness as an excuse to cheat needs to get over it. That kinda stuff happens in a marriage no matter how good or bad it is. But I think a lot of women would be surprised to know that many men who do cheat are wishing inside that the act they just committed with another woman, could be done right at home with the woman that he married. But life tends to get in the way and when it does, who goes to the back of the line, the husbands. And no human being, male or female can withstand but so much rejection and being taken for granted. Does it justify cheating at any level, ABSOULUTELY NOT. As a man I take pride in that (at least as far as I know) my wife has eyes for nobody but me, and If I were a woman, I would feel the same way. I'd personally be insulted if anybody was better at catching my mate's attention than me.
You know what I'd love to see on this thread, a woman who's bold enough to say "hell, my man's to TIRED to cheat, because I'm so good that there ain't a woman that can turn him on better than me!" That's the woman that gets my praise.
I wear my partner out......and I know I turn him on like no other woman can.....I am also a good woman with a great heart and love of family and home......does that stop other women from texting him and cslling him? Does that stop these women from sending him dirty messages? No it does not....and that is what is killing my relationship and trust.
I am soory to read that....IMO as a guy...You sound like a fantastic women that would make most men happy to have married you. A fantasy come true. Yet, like other women I knew before.....you just got involved with the wrong GUY!! A guy who doesn't appreciate you and more importantly, I hate writing this, doesn't love you. Cause if he did he would have gotten rid of his "Black book" girls and would have forbidden them to call now that he had found his soul mate. I know I would have.
More importantly as you write...you may wear your partner out, but if you were truly turning him on," like. know other woman can," he wouldn't be looking for it!!! He would have stopped these "boring" o
nes from calling or messaging him. It is NOT those women's fault, it is his!!
i think he is with you for the wrong reasons, hence the straying opportunities he is not putting a stop to. If you are as good as you sound ,then TRUE Love would have kept him. But , the LOVE Aspet on his part is not there.
Sometimes screwing around leads to a lack of committment and change in behavior for some who are addicted to the 'hunt'. and an't let go of that lifestyle
Hey Lady, It seems to me that your husband, no matter what he says or what you think, had fallen out of love with you. I think this happens a lot. In my experience, after years of an unsatisfying (to say the least) relationship on many fronts with my wife, I finally came to the realization that I had fallen out of love with her. Furthermore, I realized many years later that I married her for the wrong reasons. Her fault? Of course not. The truth is, mant people stay in a marriage for the wrong reasons.
and where in the day of kids work, HOUSE WORK, food shoppng, laundry, etc........do we make the male feel so tired he doesn't want to stray? try helping with the home, cleaning cooking taking care of the kids, and running all over the world to try keeping MY world running smoothly, God, i would kill to be the center of ANY man's world! but it ain't gonna happen! that's a fact!
A woman who wants to be the "center of a man's world" is a woman with severe self-esteem issues. A real man truly appreciates a woman who can stand on her own two feet and is the center of her own universe. A woman who wants to be the center of her man's universe should have the word "doormat" tattooed on her forehead.
so what you are really saying here is that if a man doesn't feel like the center of a woman's world he is also suffering form self-esteem issues? hmmmm,how very interesting!
Actually yes, that is what I'm saying! A fair amount of men who do stray (not all of them - quite a number of men are downright scum) are seeking validation from outside sources other than their wives/girlfriends, whom they feel aren't giving them validation. The problem, for both men and women, is the seeking of validation from people other than themselves. If you think that what I'm doing is justifying self-centeredness, you'd be 100% right. People who are the center of their own worlds won't cheat - they'd just cast off those who are weighing them down.
So where does love and appreciation come in? First of all, if I'm doing something around the house for my wife, I'm actually doing it for selfish reasons: I get a sense of gratification in her happiness and appreciation. It's not that she's the center of my universe - it's that she's someone whom I love as much as I love myself, and I value her opinion above those of most of the human race (I'm also something of a misanthrope...take from that what you will :P ). It's the mindset of "she digs the fact that washed and put away the dishes, fed the cats, and started dinner before she got home from work - if my wife likes that, then that's a good thing so I'll keep doing it". If I do something and she's a bit critical, I ask how I can do that something correctly. If I do ANYTHING and she gets critical, however, I'd then get the sense that she doesn't love me as much as I love her, or that there's something that's troubling her. If it's the former, then I'm GONE. No cheating, no drama, no BS. If she doesn't love me, then I don't want her in my life. It's that simple. However, if it's the latter and something is troubling her, then I do what I can to ease that, even if it's to give her her space so she can deal with it, if that's what she wants.
Anyways, I went off on a tangent (I do that - oh well). Hope that clears things up.
next time you feel unloved and unappreicated, i'm sure there are a ton of women who would love to hook up with you, if you are as great as you have stated. BUT, don't make yourself available until you truly ARE available, then you will be really and truly appreciated!
Oh believe me, I have no intentions of being available heheheh. I'm happily married, thank you. I look at dissolution of the marriage as a last resort, and for me, cheating isn't even an option.
And yes, I AM pretty great, aren't I? Hahahaha. Oh, I crack myself up. But seriously, I feel that, with the numerous flaws I have, I am quite a catch, and I'm glad it was my wife who "caught" me. I've made quite a few mistakes in my life, but I saw to it that I learned from them. I can be a royal pain in the a**, I can be needy at times (abandonment issues...fun, aren't they?), sarcastic, and because of my Asperger's Syndrome, I find it extremely difficult to read signals, hints, and body language. And as I've said, I have a tendency to be a misanthropic a-hole. But I'm also smart, funny, handsome, good in bed, talented, and very attentive to my partner's needs, and the mistakes I've made in the past have only served to make me a better man than I was in the past, and I'm constantly trying to better myself.
Yes Linda... "time for counseling" , yes... LEGAL couseling!!!!! And pronto!!
Linda, I would say it's time to get a good divorce attorney and even though he has devasted your dreams you can still have a life. It is time for you to move on with your own life for you and for your kids.
I disagree with the first part of the article, when it says men are all insecure. no we are not. What we're not is servants. the typical guy doesn't go to work, take out the trash or do all the things he does just to float his boat. he should and probubly does do them because he knows its good for the both of them as a couple. the apreciation measures how much his efforts are worthwhile. he isn't insecure. so if he works all day and tries to be nice and is met with critisizm, eventually he will leave or put his efforts somewhere else. why wouldn't he?Women do the same thing. it isn't about men being all sensitive and secretly a big softy and being unsecure.
Posted By: B J Guide-Odu 10/4/08
As a Court Trained Family Mediator I often tell my clients it's not what you say; it is how you say it. What you will not do the other woman/man will. If you want to be treated like a Queen try treating him like a King. Understand you are with the person GOD wants you to be with, no doubt my belief Reason,Season, Lifetime.
Many of the comments here indicate a person that has bought into the main stream media portrayals of relationships, everyone cheating or prone to it therefore you must join in because it's only human. MSM employees and writers etc tend to push an agenda using the bully pulpit of the camera microphone etc. They don't care about your relationships or you. AT the end of your day... you will = :-(
Many of the comments here indicate a person that has bought into the main stream media portrayals of relationships, everyone cheating or prone to it therefore you must join in because it's only human. MSM employees and writers etc tend to push an agenda using the bully pulpit of the camera microphone etc. They don't care about your relationships or you. AT the end of your day... you will = :-(
To smorisch latest comment, I believe women enjoy sex but I also think that women tend to be too senstive and get their feelings hurt far too easily and when they do, they get a chip on their shoulder, which carries over to the bedroom. I think it rarely has anything to do with a man's performance in the bedroom or something he may not be doing to please her. I understand that sex is more of an emotional connection for a woman. And, therefore, if she doesn't feel that emotional bond or connection with her man, she naturally is not going to feel like having sex. But men are not and will never be perfect in their words or actions. So, they are going to upset their ladies from time to time. But those same men, which by the way is ALL men, will still crave the need for sexual intercourse. Women either need to learn to not be so touchy about their feelings getiting hurt OR they need to learn to get over it faster (not days later) OR they need to learn to still have sex with their man inspite of being angry (or feeling disconnected). Otherwise, their men will seek out sex from other women. Not all men will, I doubt I would but that is due to some of my upbringing and sense of certain moral values. But most men will find that release in some form. And sometimes, he will not necessarily seek out the sex but at least the attention from another woman that will at least make him feel as though he could have sex with her, if he so desired. A lot of it has to do more with we want to feel desirable to someone of the opposite sex more than the act itself. But if our woman is constantly acting all pissy torwards us (for days) over something that should have been forgiven after an hour, then we feel undesirable and will seek it from someone else. Also, of the three options I was listing above, we (men) would prefer that you just get over it sooner. We cannot ever expect you to not get mad over us over "little things" as that is the way you are put together. And nor do we want you to have sex with us while angry. We just want you to stop harboring resentment and forgive a little quicker and be nice to us again and treat us favorably like you really WANT US and want to be with us. I hope at least some women will read what I have written and take an honest evaluation instead of coming back with some zinger comment out of bitterness or with judgement against what I have written. This isn't about winning an argument nor men against women. Otherwise, I wasted my time. Perhaps, men and women can never make it work. I certainly hope that is not the case.
i totally relate to this. i can certainly say i stopped staying mad and resentfull over long periods and this has allowed me to be able to engage in sex with my husband once again. it seems like such a small step but its your get out clause of the old ''inside the bedroom and outside the bedroom'' cycle. life is a lot easier now, he a lot less grumpy, am begginin to enjoy sex again and i ultimately have the awesome man we both know he is....i just need to tell him this more often.
What are there in the US alone over 300, 000,000 people? 300, a drop in an ocean, hardly the norm to draw conclusions from. Why even try? Hmmm....
newsblue - 7200 guys is nothing to sneeze at. Living in a world of self-righteousness only gets you so far.
Submarine living is something way out of the ordinary, say like prison behaviour. What on earth does that have to do with what 99% of the people onthis board are talking about? QUITE a stretch. Next!
newsblue - there can normally be 300 men per sub crew and with 24 ballistic subs in the Trident Submarine force that's alot of guys. Many of which take their career and home life Very seriously.
there are many reasons some one would cheat, I havent on my wife. but at times i think of it. but that is due to the sexual encounters or lack there of that i have with her as well as the lack of appreciation i see from her. I doubt even if she reads this let alone the comment i am writing if nothing else she will get mad or could care less not change or attempt to make changes. Thats the sad part too self rightious to see whats there and how things really are
silentscorpion - sorry, man...
i beg to differ though. You can't be absolutely certain she won't listen or blame her for being mad it hurts when a woman here's that from her husband. But eventually it installs the thoughts of the relationships downs in her mind and makes you want to do what it takes to make it better. Only if she truly loves you.
Expert in Any Field - You're funny.... But I think you explain yourself appropriately.
ColoradoKid - A portion of this article expressed that a woman feels if she appreciates her man he will do nothing. As a wife who very much valued the limited contribution of my soon to be ex-husband, that is exactly what happened. Yes, he worked long hours, but while I was working full time, earning a degree full time, and managing the kids and house, he goes to work and sleeps, that was about it. Understanding that a man needs to feel appriciated is only part of the equation, the woman needs to feel appricated as well. Hope this helps.
Just curious... How could you work full time, earn a degree full time,. Then say you managed the kids and the home....How??? Who raised the kids?? Who did the house work?? Was
More importantly, was your personal pursuits of employment and education agreed upon prior to marriage or did you selfishly change after marriage. Leaving no time for HIM. He sleeps cause he is unhappy with the situation YOU created.....just doesn't have the balls to say so. Yet, your timing of leaving him is interesting...after your degree,HMMMM seems selfish. It also seems you took control of the relationship with the choices you made. Was his feelns or opn ever considered??? Or , did you ignore what you did not want to hear or see from him??
There are honorable men and women. It's the un-honorable ones that don't want to believe that... citing silly things like being on a submarine for years. That's moronic. Sorry. Also sort of funny.
newsblue - Honey, have you ever met a submariner??? I know about 60 of them... Moronic as it may seem, this does happen. If you choose to live in a doom-me and everyone world, sealed by guilt for the rest of your life, that's your issue. We are speaking of a very significant factor in society today. This is What could Actually alter the view of what marriage Really is, not the issue of gay relationships.
smorisch, I think you had mentioned in an earlier comment that you are currently seeing someone but if that doesn't work out, can I tempted you in a first date? lol I hope I am not breaking the rules here by getting off topic. I just like what all smorisch has had to say here. She has some good insights!
christopher_second, oops... just had a thought, your not married are you???
LMAO! smorisch, you are too funny! No, I am not married!!! If I was, that would really fly in the face of this article, now wouldn't it???
that was kind of the point.... wasn't it?
I knew that was the point you were making. I was just stating the obvious for everyone else. I wasn't knocking you, by any means. I think you're great!!!
Dude, it was totally a joke.. Sorry, forgot the emoticon :)
we need to talk...
So, how do you propose we do this? I don't want to give my phone number on a Newsweek Discussion for everyone to see. lol
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was just thinking about that... not sure...
I have a question How do you check phone records or e-mails when you don't have the password?. I recently found my husband and my neighbor had been exchanging phone calls and texts everyday, at least ten times a day for the last couple of months and even when we were on vacation and I had no clue After confronting them they told me it was just innocent. I have become so suspicious of him and it is taking a toll on me. He has since changed his password to his phone records and tells me he just does'nt want me checking on him everyday. He said he doesn't call everyday but calls her once in a while. How do I trust him. Help!!!
Enter Your CommentTrust me He is cheating with her if not one way another (maybe it's just emotionally, (people who have nothing to hide, Hide Nothing)
If he has changed his pass word he IS DOING SOMETHING he doesn't want you to know !!!!!!!!!!!!
here's something you may want to try to find the pass word out. call you phone co. tell them that
you are calling for your husband and that he can't remember his password ask them if they can give it to you, or ask them how to reset it, then you can change it your self before he gets home. they will most likely
reset it to 99999. and you will need his Soc. number. also you have to make him earn your trust back,If you stay and if he is will to put up with all your Mistrust for as long as it takes you to get over it then he really is sorry, because there's no time limit as to when you will start to fell secure again, but don't make it a life long thing If you feel like you can't ever get over it then you will just need to move on with your life, and keep in mind for the next man's sake he's not your husband don't group all of them together.
my heart go's out to you and I'm here to tell you that it's a long road to learn to forgive, Forgiving doesn't mean you forget It only means you forgive! but try to keep this in mind there was one that came that can help you learn how (to forgive) do you know his name?
God Bless
Thanks. I will try that. The problem is it is his cell phone and he carries it with him. I used to be able to see both our phone records when I log on the website and he has taken his phone off and I'm not sure how to view his phone details. I will try to forgive with the help of the Lord.
God bless you too and thanks.
My husband cheated on me with my next door neighbor for two years and I had no idea until he told me about his affair 10 years later! If you suspect it, you are probably right.
Enter Your CommentTrust me He is cheating with her if not one way another (maybe it's just emotionally, (people who have nothing to hide, Hide Nothing)
If he has changed his pass word he IS DOING SOMETHING he doesn't want you to know !!!!!!!!!!!!
here's something you may want to try to find the pass word out. call you phone co. tell them that
you are calling for your husband and that he can't remember his password ask them if they can give it to you, or ask them how to reset it, then you can change it your self before he gets home. they will most likely
reset it to 99999. and you will need his Soc. number. also you have to make him earn your trust back,If you stay and if he is will to put up with all your Mistrust for as long as it takes you to get over it then he really is sorry, because there's no time limit as to when you will start to fell secure again, but don't make it a life long thing If you feel like you can't ever get over it then you will just need to move on with your life, and keep in mind for the next man's sake he's not your husband don't group all of them together.
my heart go's out to you and I'm here to tell you that it's a long road to learn to forgive, Forgiving doesn't mean you forget It only means you forgive! but try to keep this in mind there was one that came that can help you learn how (to forgive) do you know his name?
God Bless
Trust me He is cheating with her if not one way another (maybe it's just emotionally, (people who have nothing to hide, Hide Nothing)
If he has changed his pass word he IS DOING SOMETHING he doesn't want you to know !!!!!!!!!!!!
here's something you may want to try to find the pass word out. call you phone co. tell them that
you are calling for your husband and that he can't remember his password ask them if they can give it to you, or ask them how to reset it, then you can change it your self before he gets home. they will most likely
reset it to 99999. and you will need his Soc. number. also you have to make him earn your trust back,If you stay and if he is will to put up with all your Mistrust for as long as it takes you to get over it then he really is sorry, because there's no time limit as to when you will start to fell secure again, but don't make it a life long thing If you feel like you can't ever get over it then you will just need to move on with your life, and keep in mind for the next man's sake he's not your husband don't group all of them together.
my heart go's out to you and I'm here to tell you that it's a long road to learn to forgive, Forgiving doesn't mean you forget It only means you forgive! but try to keep this in mind there was one that came that can help you learn how (to forgive) do you know his name?
God Bless
Trust me He is cheating with her if not one way another (maybe it's just emotionally, (people who have nothing to hide, Hide Nothing)
If he has changed his pass word he IS DOING SOMETHING he doesn't want you to know !!!!!!!!!!!!
here's something you may want to try to find the pass word out. call you phone co. tell them that
you are calling for your husband and that he can't remember his password ask them if they can give it to you, or ask them how to reset it, then you can change it your self before he gets home. they will most likely
reset it to 99999. and you will need his Soc. number. also you have to make him earn your trust back,If you stay and if he is will to put up with all your Mistrust for as long as it takes you to get over it then he really is sorry, because there's no time limit as to when you will start to fell secure again, but don't make it a life long thing If you feel like you can't ever get over it then you will just need to move on with your life, and keep in mind for the next man's sake he's not your husband don't group all of them together.
my heart go's out to you and I'm here to tell you that it's a long road to learn to forgive, Forgiving doesn't mean you forget It only means you forgive! but try to keep this in mind there was one that came that can help you learn how (to forgive) do you know his name?
God Bless
"Comment: newsblue - the type of STDs you speak of are solved by competent intelligent use of a condom."
Not true. There is a lot of studies say they can be transferred by mouth. What do you propose, using saran wrap. What about body lice, scabies, etc. no rubber is gonna change that, those creatures also carry diseases. How childish and twisted to defend cheating by using a rubber, like ahigh schooler would think. The fact is you should have to be using a rubber, an indication you are engaging in something wrong then.
There are many reasons that a man cheats on his wife. If he is an honorable person he will not do it. The plain true is that some men just can't keep their pants zipped up.
laume281 - I'm not so sure honorably has 100% to do with the entire male psyche. You put a man on a submarine for 77 days and see what he does when they pull into port.
A man can be honorable, but if his wife is not also his "girl fried" it's really hard to keep the "spice" up. right? Same with a guy, just because this article references him, that doesn't mean she hasn't been out a time or two, and may be for many of the same reasons.
Coward (both men and women) will cheat because they are not brave enough to confront the other spouse.If a spouse begins to find the other one less attractive and appealing , why not tell them straight up about how you feel about them, that way they have a choice if they want to remain there and watch being cheated on or move on with a deserving partner.There are very many principled people out there, why would i still be with a man who has expressed to me that he doesn't feel the same way and has indicated chances of cheating??
Being brave has nothing to do with it. I have tried countless times to talk to my wife. I have written lengthy detailed letters - 2 of them, expressing my feelings and left them on her pillow. I have tried counseling - with her, i have tried to get her to read books. I bought the book Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars, , , , , I bought it twice and gave it to her as a present.
She just threw it away, I do 75 % of the cooking, I do at least half of the laundry, I clean the kitchen, I take care of the finances, I iron ALL of my clothes, but to no avail. All I ask is that she speak nice to me, and show me that she is a little appreciative. I NEVER get a hug, N E V E R ! ! ! She never holds my hand voluntarily, She NEVER gives me a kiss unsolicited. She NEVER touches me, unless we are actually having sex. And, she has a degree in Communications. We cqan't communicate with each other. Sometimes it feels like we are speaking different languages. This article is about her and lots of others just like her. I know I am not alone but it sure feels like it sometimes.
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