How To Keep Him From Cheating

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  • Posted By: milkjugcowboy @ 09/28/2008 7:42:01 AM

    What a load of crap (the target of the article). I know way more women who cheat than men. Men being the only or predominate ones who cheat is such an old and stupid stereotype.

  • Posted By: gmgl @ 09/28/2008 6:10:16 AM

    Yes of course it's all her fault he cheats. Unbelievable. Is it all his fault if she cheats? She felt unnappreciated? Where is the article. How about the fact that we are decended from nonmonagamous apes. No that would be too logical.

  • Posted By: jmmarks @ 09/27/2008 11:57:26 PM

    Q: What can couples do to get a relationship back on track and sustain it?
    A: 45-minute uninterrupted time alone talking or playing board games or reading.

    OMG - what terrible, lethal advice. Ladies - spend your 45 mins f***ing your man! That's the best medicine. If you think you'll connect playing bored games or reading, don't be surprised when he looks somewhere else for sex.

  • Posted By: nacho_cheese @ 09/27/2008 7:53:59 PM

    And what, may I ask, do we do if this kind of (biased) advice and no appreciation i given in return?

    I'm not married, but I hope to be, to my long-term boyfriend. Before we do, though, we need to hash out what appreciation really is. When I was between (and searching for) jobs one summer, I cooked, cleaned, did the laundry, and did everything else around the house while he attended class for a few hours a day. I'd be happy to see him when he got home, but then the clothes would go everywhere, dishes would pile in the sink, he'd leave glasses and papers and remotes strewn all over the house, and would generally be a pig. Of course, he knew it'd be cleaned up when he came back from school the next day, and I'd have to go through the same process over and over.

    This, on top of thanking him for picking up some groceries (which he bitched and moaned about before), thanking him for rinsing the dishes after dinner (when he actually "got around" to doing it), and never nagging about other things to do around the house. Is it so much to pick up a shirt and throw it in the hamper?

    I, on the other hand, never got a thank you. Wait, no. Maybe once, in months of doing this.

    Currently, I have a job and go to school, both full-time. The house is a disaster, he only attends school, and I still am expected to clean house. Without a thank you or anything, for that matter. We'll see how long this goes on for.

    Anyway, so yes. We need to talk, and desperately, before I lose my mind. But I'll tell you this right now, and I think it should apply to all men who feel "unappreciated": Look at all your wife does for you, and how little she gets back for it. And consider why this article is expecting those same women to treat men the way that they so desperately would like to be treated.

    • Posted By: Wiggles P. Blamer @ 09/27/2008 11:50:36 PM

      Your boyfriend doesn't show enough appreciation for all you do. Obviously you have no choice but to cheat on him.
      So says the rabbi.

    • Posted By: PossibilityofTransformation @ 09/27/2008 8:09:01 PM

      Nacho -- are you crazy?

      DON'T MARRY HIM!!!!!!!!

      • Posted By: nacho_cheese @ 09/27/2008 8:29:53 PM

        He can be REALLY good when he wants to be. But when he gets lazy, or tired, or otherwise like his "old self" (as he has come a long way), it all goes to hell in a handbasket. And we're working on that.

        The main thing is, we're willing to work on this issue -- HE is willing to work on this issue. It's when he's not willing anymore, that our relationship will end. At that point, I'll know that it's useless. :)

        • Posted By: PossibilityofTransformation @ 09/27/2008 8:40:27 PM

          Are you sure?

          As a general rule, people like that don't change. They may fake it for a while... like long enough to get your "I do" -- but it's probably a lifelong habit, if his mother cleaned up after him the same way, and will most likely NOT change in truth. Are you and he planning to have kids? It is a TON of additional work and you can bet that he won't want to touch a diaper. If this is driving you out of your mind you are taking a BIG risk of being sentenced to same for the rest of your life. Please make sure love isn't making you blind!

          • Posted By: nacho_cheese @ 09/27/2008 11:27:54 PM

            No, I'm not sure that he'll want to help me with general homemaking, which is why we're making the compromise for me to be a SAHM when our kids are born. (I love this idea... I love staying home and keeping house. It's just hard to balance with a career, ya know? And I'm sure it's hard with a child, too, but at least I'll be there to take care of as much as possible.)

            He is also very helpful around the house when he wants to be, but it sometimes takes something major... like him running into something he's left out, or our landlord peeking in and saying, "Whoah." ;)

            I've also made the case that, if we have a kid, he'll be touching at least one diaper a day. He's kind of "ick" about that, as I plan to cloth diaper, but hey, his kid, too! And he's already agreed that if he's home, he'll be as much help as possible... considering that I'll have stayed at home the rest of the time to clean whatever he doesn't have to do. The shorter the "honey-do" list, the better, especially since he'll be more willing.

            And I'll ultimately be more appreciative!

            He's made significant (and permanent) progress. We've been together for over three years, so it's been interesting to watch him change... especially since he knows it means, so long as he remains the respective, helpful person he's become, marriage is guaranteed. Fortunately, there are still two more years to go until marriage, and those two years will prove whether or not he's ready for the commitment... and for me! If those changes stick those two years, we'll be golden... as he'll overall have made over 4 years of progress.

            That's good enough in my book. :)

            (May I also point out that the comment I made, was directed towards a period that was almost 2 years ago. Since then, he's done a lot of great things, and I only hope that he'll get even better as the years go on.)

            Thank you, much appreciated!

    • Posted By: myopinionhere @ 09/27/2008 9:45:28 PM

      It took me a long time to get to the point of what I'm about to say after YEARS of telling my ex-husband, 50/50!!! Half cleaning--the whole housework thing should be split and/or I damn well should be very much appreciated for it... Well...I finally "got it" from some women who are NOT americans. And the deal is this: at the end of the day, women care a lot more about how THEIR house looks than guys do--by and large this is just a universal truth. You care more for it; clean the damn thing and keep it clean. YOU will keep your peace and you'll be a helluva easier to live with. AND your boyfriend will appreciate it, even if he never SAYS it. He will show his love in his own way. And finally, it's YOU who will be judged if your house is a disaster zone. Any female who lives in a house over the age of 18 will be judged on how that house looks by her female peers (and society in general). So...long story short: just keep your house clean and be happy that it's clean. Your boyfriend has nothing to do with that.

      • Posted By: nacho_cheese @ 09/27/2008 11:17:50 PM

        That's utter bull. But thanks for your opinion -- it makes me even more grateful for my boyfriend.

    • Posted By: doingwaytoomuch @ 09/27/2008 10:21:04 PM

      It is not going to change. I'm sorry but trust me! What will happen is he will probably promise that he will change and he may do stuff around the house until you get married, than once he has got you, he is back to the his ole self. Believe me it it is in him now not to help you or appreciate you,please please do not get married, have kids then regret that you married him.

  • Posted By: LuckyinKY @ 09/27/2008 11:40:37 PM

    The idea here seems to be that men will cheat and women should expect it if they are not willing to actively stop him from doing so, even if it means going black ops on your husband. On the other hand, women who become discouraged and cheat are often immediately outcast as sluts and "homewreckers". I just seems very unfair that the bulk of the responsibility of marriage seems to be placed on the women's ability to (for lack of better words) entertain her husband. You know it's understandable when you have a 5 year old and you've fallen asleep on that child one too many times and crayons end up inside the VCR, or juice gets spilled, etc. The child knew it was wrong but did not really understand the implications of his actions. The same can not be said for cheating on one's spouse and I am sick of men getting a pass for it. Most men understand that an affair can end their marriage, at the very least if they get busted the marriage will be broken (like the VCR), but unlike a real child, the husband is immediately aware that he must hide his affair and decieve his wife in order to keep what he has. Which begs the question, if it was so bad in the first place, why even lie about cheating? Why not say "You don't appreciate me so I went else where !" I'll tell you why...because it's crap, plain and simple. It's a cop out to cheat and you may be able to justify it while your in the act but you can't really defend yourself once it's over but still there is a huge campaign to help women "understand" why men cheat and thus get over it. I just have a question for the Dr. How many of these 200 men were cheated on and how many times did they forgive their wives or were even urged to forgive her ? ....for the kids...or for loves sake..or what ever. Men don't want to be perceived as bungling idiots but they will glady play the part of it means getting away with selfish crap and it is so old and tired.

  • Posted By: hboogy @ 09/27/2008 9:26:08 AM

    You know what I just don't understand? Why so many women who are posting comments just refuse to believe what a lot of men are posting here. I'm a guy and if I ask a woman why she acts a certain way and she tells me, and then the next woman gives me the same answer, and then the next, and the next, they all keep saying the same thing, well then by golly at some point it would dawn on me that there might actually be some truth to it!! But you just can't tell some people the sky is blue, and water is wet. They'll find a reason to say it's not. Listen ladies, please open your eyes and really absorb what the men who are posting here are saying. They're not making this up.

    • Posted By: gwyth @ 09/27/2008 10:56:59 PM

      Listen man, please open your eyes and really absorb what the women who are posting here are saying. They're not making this up.

  • Posted By: reformation or bust @ 09/27/2008 10:16:54 AM

    Woman need to get a clue..we have feelings too..Just because we don't wear them on our sleeve doesn't mean we don't have them. I amost cheated one time...but never did. The reason..not sex. My wife will have sex whenever and where ever I want. But that is just the point..when I want.
    Wouldn't it be nice if you woman would just (once in while) take your husband by the hand, lead him to the bedroom and have sex. MEN WANT TO FEEL THEY ARE DESIRED TOO!
    That's part of the advice I gave my daughter before she got married.
    So to the woman who are reading this, if you want to be treated more like a woman..try treating him like you desire him...
    Why do men like porn? because it is full of woman who are desiring to be "taken" by a man. God knows, men don't see that in their lives...so it's nice to see it somewhere.

    • Posted By: gwyth @ 09/27/2008 10:55:22 PM

      Newsflash - Porn is not real life nor is it representative of any sort of healthy sexuality. It's sick when men try to mirror this exploitive BS in real life.

    • Posted By: gwyth @ 09/27/2008 10:52:23 PM

      I hate to break this to you - Porn is NOT REAL LIFE or any sort of representation of healthy sexuality. That you are trying to equate it to real life is sickening.

    • Posted By: doingwaytoomuch @ 09/27/2008 11:18:40 AM

      I'm not saying this because I don't understand your point, because I do, believe. The equivelant (to a woman) would be the man taking the dish out of her hand (without her asking/nagging) and doing the dishes himself. There was an article on this site, I believe, that stated that when men help out with the housework, they actually benefit more because that will in turn show your wife that you care about what she is doing and she will in turn do the same. We are different, no doubt, but we all must come to an understanding that it is not ALL about what women want or all about what men want. Its a compromise. Part of the reason why most men complain they do all the work "in bed" is because the women do most of the work outside of the bedroom. COMPROMISE PEOPLE! In addition, there was another article, on this site, about how Chinese or Japanese ?? women are avoiding marriage because all the men 'want to be taken care of' it is or was their culture. Women in that culture are becoming more educated and career minded and are more equals to their men couterparts. Maybe us US women should follow suit. Until our men stop 'wanting to be taken care of' we should avoid marriage! Alternative COMPROMISE PEOPLE AND GROW UP!

  • Posted By: kjames196 @ 09/27/2008 10:37:39 PM

    The case for it not being about the sex but about being appreciated would be a lot stronger if there were a lot of cases where men had affairs that did not involve sex.

  • Posted By: BryanH @ 09/27/2008 10:15:26 PM

    Good article. I'm interpreting it as not just about "men cheating", but what leads to affairs by either/both spouses. It's pretty insightful, if not plain obvious, in hind-site.

    The only issue I have with his viewpoint is the approach of the spouse with "there's a problem, what are we going to do about it" - sort of just laying it all in the cheating spouse's lap, rather than interdependent, creative, pro-active engagement. Of course cheating by itself, as the article states, is the sole responsibility of the cheater, but the relationship always takes two, engaged in the health of the relationship in an interdependent, creative, pro-active way if the root causes are going to be resolved and/or avoided.

  • Posted By: BryanH @ 09/27/2008 10:15:03 PM

    Good article. I'm interpreting it as not just about "men cheating", but what leads to affairs by either/both spouses. It's pretty insightful, if not plain obvious, in hind-site.

    The only issue I have with his viewpoint is the approach of the spouse with "there's a problem, what are we going to do about it" - sort of just laying it all in the cheating spouse's lap, rather than interdependent, creative, pro-active engagement. Of course cheating by itself, as the article states, is the sole responsibility of the cheater, but the relationship always takes two, engaged in the health of the relationship in an interdependent, creative, pro-active way if the root causes are going to be resolved and/or avoided.

  • Posted By: illiamna @ 09/27/2008 9:47:51 PM

    Instead of empowering women by telling them to spy on their husbands, why not tell men to grow up? Tell them to stop causing so much pain to the people around them. Teach them to ask for whatever it is that they need from the marriage rather than just destroying it by cheating.

  • Posted By: illiamna @ 09/27/2008 9:45:51 PM

    This isn't empowering women - it is finding an excuse for a husband to cheat. We are all responsible for our own actions and when one spouse cheats it hurts everyone in the family. Instead of telling wives to spy on their husbands, why not tell men to grow up and learn to ask for what THEY need in the marriage?

  • Posted By: LuckyinKY @ 09/27/2008 9:40:57 PM

    I have been with my husband for 15 years. we are still relatively young ( 34). When we started the relationship we were great to each other and I could tell that he loved me very much. He didn't have to ask me for anything and if he did, it was given freely. I was affectionate, attentive, and supportive. Eventually, I got pregnant with our first child and I was excited to be having his baby. I just knew he would be there every step of the way. Well, as my body expanded so did his interest in other women. I finally found out when I was 8 months pregnant and I was devestated. After the baby was born, I took him back but he would never answer my questions about what happened but still we tried to make it work. The curiosity, jealousy, and insecurity ate me up. Well, after years of doing anything to make it work, to the point of looking like an idiot, I finally decided that no matter how much effort I extend he would never appreciate it so I gave up. I was discouraged until I gave up but I didn't cheat even though he already had. Now I find myself in heated arguments about why I don't come on to him anymore, why I act aloof, why have so many things changed about me since the "good ole days" and the one thing he continues to say to me is the he "doesn't feel appreciated, anymore" well you know what ? I haven't felt appreciated in years but catered to his "manly need for appreciation" anyway, thinking that I would "lead by example" well that turned out to be bullshit. Please understand I was a real trooper...sex every other night, cooking, cleaning, space when he needed it, and I have my own money as a matter of fact, I AM THE BREADWINNER ! I never got a thank you and it took 4 kids, 15 years and finally emotional abandonment to even get an apology. Now how am I supposed to go back and put myself in that position of needed him after he abandoned me for all those years. I put him first and both of us forgot about me. I now want out and he cries daily but I don't give a ***. So I said all that to say this...feelings of appreciation should go both ways, preventative measures should go both ways. Someone mentioned that there was no at the ready advise for men on how to keep women happy and faithful so why should our relationships be consumed with counter measures to stop the hubby from cheating. He already committed ! So if he can't keep up his end of the deal, rather than join his pity party...recognize the game and get out while you still recognize yourself.

  • Posted By: yellowhouse6 @ 09/27/2008 9:06:29 PM

    Our marriage is better after his affari than before. We were forced to address issues that we had simply tried to sweep under the rug. I would not want to go through it again, but we are happy and reconnected six years later.If you have kids, like we did at the time, it's hard to look at them and feel that THEY don't deserve you giving your husband a second chance. I did and it paid off. He IS a very good man...wrong place at the wrong time.

  • Posted By: SOSPLEASEHELP @ 09/26/2008 1:10:40 PM

    I HAVE BEEN MARRIED ALMOST 2YRS AND I AM STARTING TO HAVE THOUGHTS OF CHEATING ON MY WIFE...I HAVE STARTED TO FEEL DISCONNECTED FROM HER EMOTIONALLY, SEXUALLY TO SAY THE LEAST..I REALLY DO NOT WANT TO HURT HER IN THAT WAY BUT MY MIND CONSTANTLY WANDERS...ANY SUGGESTIONS...SOS

    • Posted By: kjames196 @ 09/27/2008 8:53:50 PM

      Work to get reconnected. Tell her your concerns. She might have the same. Either work on it, or get out of it. There will always be some tough spots, but if you are good for each other, they'll work out. But if you've tried and it's not going to work out, do the honorable thing and get a divorce before you start looking for someone else. Cheating not only completely disrespects your partner (and if they find out, will cause them to question everything you've ever done), but it also is a stain on your character. And how will the person you are cheating with, ever really be able to trust you? You can't always control your feelings, but you can control how you act on them.

    • Posted By: LisaWhite @ 09/26/2008 1:15:02 PM

      How about TALKING to her?

    • Posted By: paproudmom @ 09/26/2008 1:14:32 PM

      You need to grow up. You will have times where you do feel disconnected but they come and go. Being married is hard work. Speaking as someone who has been married for 25 years. Ask yourself what you can do to make your marriage work. Cheating is the lowest form of betrayal. Ask yourself what type of human being do you want to be. How would you feel if your spouse cheated on you everytime a disconnect was felt.

  • Posted By: designchick77 @ 09/27/2008 7:32:17 PM

    I love this article. It really makes sense. My mom, who has been married to my dad for 36 years, told me when I got married that you should not treat your husband with any less courtesy than you would offer to a stranger on the street, and that if he does something for you, you should do the appropriate thing and say "thank you" - even if that is just buying dinner or bringing home groceries.

  • Posted By: maggiemae57 @ 09/27/2008 3:17:59 PM

    I make it a point to tell my husband thank you for working so hard to provide for us. You should see how he lights ;up when I say it. He tells me thank you for working so hard to make supper and do all the little things to keep the house clean and running it sure makes me feel good to hear the words. I can't work because of rhuemtetoid arthritis so I feel like I am contributing and he notices. Sure we don't do this every day but sometimes you just need to hear the words. We have been through lots of financial hard times in the last few years. Several lost jobs and foreclosure on our home but we realized that the other person is not the enemy so we grabbed each others hands and brushed ourselves off and just kept plugging along. We live in Houston and today is the first time in 15 days we have had electricity. Did we fight during this time? No because he is my best friend and we laugh and pray during tough times. The secret treat each other with the respect and kindness you reserve for strangers and friends. This is our second marriage so maybe we just try harder to be aware of problems. Sure sometimes I want to pinch his head off and I'm sure the same goes for him that when I just go watch movies in the bedroom or lose myself in a book. As with most aggravation if you don't feed it with harsh words it passes.

    • Posted By: hboogy @ 09/27/2008 6:30:49 PM

      maggiemae57 - God Bless You!!!! It's good to see that some women still understand that being kind to their husband and showing some affection toward him and just being his friend isn't a capital crime (even though unfortunately for some women is apparently is). You make the world a better place!

  • Posted By: PossibilityofTransformation @ 09/27/2008 6:07:45 PM

    Fact is, men -- and women -- if you are a cheater, you are a liar. Doesn't matter how unappreciated you feel, how much you feel justified in punishing your spouse for her or his defects -- you are still a LIAR, undeserving of anyone's trust, and you'll have to live with yourself being that way. There is always a way of dealing with problems in a relationship that doesn't involve selling out your integrity. Talk honestly... do marriage counselling... do an inventory of who's doing how much work and adjust until it's equal... get meds or other treatment for a partner with mental illness... take responsibility yourself for making that together time... understand that sresses tend to divide, and compensate with love and "closing ranks"... analyze whether you've felt unappreciated in more than one relationship and realize that if so, it has nothing to do with your spouse and dates back to your family of origin... hey, have an open relationship so both of you can wander and no lying is involved! ...and if all else fails, honestly break up. Being out of integrity is NEVER necessary.

  • Posted By: Barry H @ 09/27/2008 5:50:16 PM

    This is a "global" issue in all relationships whether marriage, friendships, work, etc. Continual criticism and no appreciation is the ultimate "wedge issue" to drive people, institutions apart.

  • Posted By: DDavisJr @ 09/27/2008 5:41:29 PM

    You had me until "read his email, check his phone records, and track him by GPS." When does the suspicion, paranoia and distrust become more unhealthy than the (potential) infidelity?

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