Why Congress Is Failing America

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  • Posted By: unrepentant @ 09/26/2008 2:53:01 PM

    Damn I hate to say this but it is all about marketing. Yes, there are a group of far right house members that would rather sink the USA economic system than allow the government to be part of the solution, but the real issue is that the American people have not been properly sold on the plan. This is not about saving wall St. tycoons, it is about saving jobs and houses, allowing Joe 6-pack to buy a car on dredit, to send his kid to college with a loan. It is about businesses large and small being able to take out loans to expand their businesses and buy materials to make into widgets that consumers will buy. This is a liquididty crisis. That means there is no money! That means everyone's job is at risk. The longer that this is billed as a "bailout" for the fat cats on Wall St., the more resistance the average American will have to the solution to the problem. The presidential candidates, Paulson, Bush and the responsible members of the House and Senate need to explain to their constituancy why this plan is crucial to the economic health of the country.

    • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 09/26/2008 4:26:28 PM

      Liquidity in current credit markets perhaps, but don't forget of the estimated 4 trillion in capital "on hold" in mutual fund holdings that will most certainly need, in part, to move back into the credit markets...after they are cleaned up, of course. Our ecomony is far beyond that which was in 1929 -- there is massive amounts of global capital that would love to be poured back into a more stable US market. So, yes, let's fix the system, but not by a $700 billion buying spree that will solve little but reward the very crooks that got us in this mess. Make no mistake about it, the folks involved in this meltdown are still in the game...and will be.

    • Posted By: jcitizen1234 @ 09/26/2008 3:11:10 PM

      Fool! The real problem is citizens and congress alike spend too much and use too much credit! The issue here is debt - not housing, not banking etc. DEBT!

      • Posted By: unrepentant @ 09/26/2008 3:47:37 PM

        Maybe you should read my post and perhaps it would help if you didn't start off by attacking me instead of my points.

        How do you separate the debt from the liquididty crisis? They are obviously the very same problem that you seem to not understand. The debt problem is mitigated by the ferderal government buying the bad debt for a percentage of the value of the loans. There is clearly a lot of value in these loans since the bad loans are mixed in with the good ones. Every loan has some asset tied to it: a house or a piece of property. That asset has some value which can then be sold to pay back the money borrowed from the taxpayers. See this is really not as confusing as you think and by making fun of those who understand the problem and are trying to help fix it you become part of the problem.

  • Posted By: libertyfirst @ 09/26/2008 4:17:46 PM

    For those thinking this is a Republican "anti-regulation" mess; may I remind you that it was Bush & company that tried repeatedly in 2001, 2003, and 2005 to better regulate and manage Fannie & Freddie -- but were told by Franks, Dodd, and Schumer that "all was well , stop the fear mongering." This is a mess with beaurocrats and politicians from both sides of the isle at fault...and still at fault. The abject lack of credibility in Washington and the drive to "look like we're doing something' is what is making this ridiculous bailout a raw deal for everyone but those most hedged to weather the consequences. This is turning into a $700 billion feeding frenzy that the taxpayer picks of the tab while the Wall Street types and politicians slunk back to their Hampton estates with bloated bonuses, parachutes, and ill-gotten gains -- the very ones that caused this mess to begin with. Let the sky fall. I've lived through several recessions, periods of high inflation, double digit home interest rates, and alike. Somehow, we all survived. And we'll survive this as well. But at least we won't intentionally be enriching those who brought this mess upon us.

  • Posted By: haroldwolf @ 09/26/2008 4:16:45 PM

    Congress has let us down. The charters for both the House Finance and Senate Banking committees are oversight and jurisdiction over the nation's financial institutions. They have been a no show on this crisis for over a decade and now we want them to craft a bail-out? No Way!! Really we should be asking for all the committee members' resignations.

  • Posted By: Garnish @ 09/26/2008 4:16:35 PM

    The only emergency that I can detect is that many insolvent banks and other institutions want a whole bunch of money now. Probably most of them have been actually insolvent for many months - they merely decided to wait until the middle of a Presidential election and a week before the scheduled adjournment to claim there is a crisis. I applaud Congress for taking some time on the single greatest expenditure our nation has ever been asked to make. Sure, the politics seem a little haphazard, but I didn't see the banks and Paulson in February saying we have this grave problem and we need action within the next 6 months to address it. And are seriously trying to suggest that they woke up to the fact that their mortgage debt portfolio was garbage only late last week? Nonsense.

  • Posted By: haroldwolf @ 09/26/2008 4:15:51 PM

    Congress has let us down. The charters for both the House Finance and Senate Banking committees are oversight and jurisdiction over the nation's financial institutions. They have been a no show on this crisis for over a decade and now we want them to craft a bail-out? No Way!! Really we should be asking for all the committee members' resignations.

  • Posted By: GraceSC @ 09/26/2008 4:13:23 PM

    It amazes me how many people gravitate to one party line or the other like there is much difference one way or the other between the way the two major parties govern this country. Reading the posts below, it is obvious that most people have not taken the time to educate themselves on how we got to where we are. There is no way to post a history lesson in this context but let's just say this, "If you put a frog in boiling water, he jumps out immediately. However, if you put a frog in warm water and heat it up slowly, you get frog stew. He adjusts to each small change until the lid blows off." This is what has been happening for decades - by both parties. At best, each thinking they are doing us a favor by keeping the bubbles going. Each bubble created and replaced by the next bubble. The few who try to implement change are drowned in a system where the bottom line is exactly what we saw last night. Everybody finger pointing and yelling. Agreed there are very different ideas about the best way to minimize the affect on the population in general but the bottom line is the government is just like most of the people in this country - they spend more than they make, do not save properly, and then look to someone to bail them out. There is no quick fix. Socialism is not the answer. Don't let the "spin" get you. Anger clouds judgment. Get the facts folks because this stew is still heating!

  • Posted By: real packer fan @ 09/26/2008 3:20:21 PM

    nsky56 - Redo the math. $785 billion divided by the 100 million or so actual taxpayers in the US is less than $8,000 each, not $400,000. I don't know about you, but that's not enough to pay off my mortgage. It won't even get me a new roof.

    • Posted By: DustyFtLauderdale @ 09/26/2008 3:48:48 PM

      I've heard this several times now but the number has varied between 1 miillion -1.5 million. I'am not doubting anyone but how can it be that out of 350 + millon population [ exclud kids & retired with only SS] can their only 1 million?

      Thanks in advance for any insight

      • Posted By: real packer fan @ 09/26/2008 4:12:24 PM

        Dusty - please re-read the post. It says 100 million, not 1 million. And it doesn't include everyone who files a tax return, only those who actually pay taxes on a net basis.

  • Posted By: ggeilman @ 09/26/2008 4:11:38 PM

    This 400,000 thing has been going around the internet being posted everywhere. Obvious from a mass email. Problem is no one bothers to check their math before posting it. It has a problem of three too many 0's. It is 400, not 400,000 to each person.
    As for the last comment, the Senators are doing their job, It is the House Republicans that are dragging their feet. Tax breaks and insurance isn't going to fix this.

  • Posted By: papernot @ 09/26/2008 3:51:13 PM

    Instead of giving, lending, or whatever it will be called, money to Wall Street, consider giving equal payment to every American person who filed a tax return last year. Instead of $300, what if the government gave everyone who file last year $400,000. Now that equates to about $85,000,000,000, or what was given to bail out AIG. Now if you do the math, that amount of money in every taxpayers account, would, yes you got it, payoff most morgages, buy new cars, remodel homes, even payoff credit card debt. Buying new products, means manufacturing can restart in America, business can hire and expand. Oh and by the way, That $400,000 is taxable, so the government gets it's cut. I'm sure there are holes in this idea, but it's a better start than what the President and Congress have going.

    • Posted By: real packer fan @ 09/26/2008 4:03:44 PM

      Where is this ridiculous $400,000 figure coming from? Can't anyone do math anymore? C'mon, divide 85,000,000,000 by 400,000. It comes to 212,500. That is the number of taxpayers in the city of Atlanta, not the whole country. Where are you people getting this $400,000 number? I've seen it posted to boards all day.

  • Posted By: dtoussaint3 @ 09/26/2008 3:59:30 PM

    Both sides of the aisle have completely screwed this up. Instead of acting like mature, intelligent , elected officials of the people, they have resorted to name calling, finger pointing, and foot stomping. I believe every Senator who has been involved in these lame games should be voted out the next time they are on the ticket.

  • Posted By: terrificworld @ 09/26/2008 3:43:46 PM

    WE CHINESE PEOPLE...are laughing at the circus that America become...America become un-governable. With people from top to bottom who has no respect for each other nor one another. Today while USA is deep in it's WONDER DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM...Chinese Astronauts are walking in Space.
    Sure we are laughing at you americans!
    Your freedom, your liberty, your democracy, your human-rights! made your nation un-governable!
    Where on earth would it be allowed in CHINA to have a Press, a Midia that DESTROYS IT's own country.
    Where on earth we chinese would allow a person such a Barrack Obama bashing, slaming the President of the country with such disrespect ! NEVER! we would not allow this!
    Where on earth would us in China allow a candidate for President talk so bad, slaming, slaming the economy
    of our own Nation just for Political ends? political purpose? NEVER! we will never allow that to happen in China.
    Where would we chinese allow say, a Barrack Obama go to Europe or any other country as matter of act, and talk so NEGATIVALLY about out own economy, about our own country??? go against the very country he is seeking to be President???
    In China he would be tried for TREASON! and possibly be hanged! Sure!
    No, Thanks! we dont need your Democracy! we are really really fine! Thanks!

    • Posted By: real packer fan @ 09/26/2008 3:57:28 PM

      Great post. I'm not buying the whole Chinese thing though. It reads like an old Bonanza script.

    • Posted By: writerrisk @ 09/26/2008 3:55:48 PM

      What a post. China is such a great place. Here are a few examples of how great it is:
      1. speak out against the government and go to jail
      2. speak out against the government more and get shot.
      3. Buy milk processed in China and die.
      4. Buy toys from China and your children die.
      5. Natural disaster and many people die because the government can't or won't respond.

      A real utopia that China.

      And by the way, don't get to hung up over your astronauts. It took you 16 years to get into space. It took the US 9 years to land on the Moon. Have landed anything anywhere.

      Yea! You have a great government. That is why there are so many Chinese trying to defect. I would much rather die free than to live under a government like yours, thank you very much.

      Have a nice life in Utopia.

    • Posted By: AnAmericanGirl @ 09/26/2008 3:52:03 PM

      To Terrifcworld: I would much rather be in America with all of its problems then in China where I would get shot for speaking out publicly. At least in America I am allowed to make my own decisions, I have freedom of choice, religion and a slew of other freedom that you and those in your country could only dream about. Yes, we are in trouble. We voted in (yes WE voted these people into office but we can also vote them out. At least we can vote). But as in the history of our country we will pull thru this. Stay in your own country with its medieval ways. I'll stay in mine thank you very much.

  • Posted By: just jerry @ 09/26/2008 3:54:25 PM

    The failure isn't simply with the politicians! The bureaucrats also get mighty cozy with those they regulate and with the politicians. Bureaucrats don't mind spending money foolishly, they have no voters asking questions of them or voting for or agianst them in the next election.
    The "bailout" may seem to be a good thing to Wall Street and to bureaucrats while the voters aren't being considered. The politicians have an obligation to speak up for those voters that elected them to represent the people not Wall Street.

  • Posted By: @ 09/26/2008 3:53:58 PM

    we in china is busy scripting spacewalk dialogue a day before it occurs, beating dogs to death with sticks, flattening students with tanks, killing babies with melamine...

  • Posted By: cuppa jo @ 09/26/2008 2:52:46 PM

    McCain has shown leadership, Obama has shown that he can be reached by phone.

    • Posted By: AmeriScot @ 09/26/2008 3:02:06 PM

      McCain, when given a chance at the White House photo-op meeting, said nothing coherent. He had nothing substantive to offer. Going there and pretending to be essential is NOT leadership. Obama is a cool head and understands that the country needs to be communicated with and doesn't need empty posturing. Watch the debate tonight, Einstein, and you'll see who knows their stuff and who doesn't.

      • Posted By: krotten1 @ 09/26/2008 3:52:43 PM

        Exactly. Obama is not grandstanding and using this situation to his own advantage. He even tried to warn McCain that injecting Presidential Politics into the negotiations would not be helpful.

        And, once again, he was right and McCain showed himself to be the most gimmicky maverick in all of Panderville.

  • Posted By: STUMPY @ 09/26/2008 3:45:15 PM

    Congress Isn't failing America. For the first time in 8 years it's acting properly. It's a deliberative body, LET IT DELIBERATE.

  • Posted By: sunoverla @ 09/26/2008 3:42:36 PM

    Why aren't wall streeters in jail?
    Why aren't wall streeters on tv explainging their malfeasance?

    Let's vote out every single US House Rep and start over!!

  • Posted By: wshofner @ 09/26/2008 3:35:44 PM

    This whloe thing is a classic case of putting that cart before the old horse. The first step needs to be towrds those mortgages. How about if the banks and mortgage holders ere made to bring all residential loans down to 9% where they are higher. reduce the outstanding balance by 25% incertain zip codes where the vlaue drop has been precipitous. And, thsn, work with those people to make it work. The Fed could then promise to pay the bond holders a percntage of their loss, the banks a percentage of their loss but not all of it. The businesses that got us in to this deserve to suffer some. That is the nature of capitalism, it is risk and
    reward.
    Then with all this money we want to use, lets cut the capital gains tax to zero for six months, cut the corporate tax rate to 15% for two years, give a 25 % tax credit for R&D on alternative enregy, offer consumers a 25% tax credit for purchase of vehicles getting 35 MPG or the equivalent in alternative forms. Give businesses 35%.
    This would get the economy moving in the right direction, move us towards energy independence and, maybe, generate enough taxes to help us with our infrastructure problems. Bet all of this could be done for less than $700 billion.

  • Posted By: eyesus34 @ 09/26/2008 3:33:52 PM

    I'm not mad House Republicans balked at the bail out. I'm mad they waited until the 11th hour to voice their concerns. Senator Shelby said his economic advisers are telling him the Paulson plan won't work. Do you mind sharing what you know with the rest of the class Senator? Who are these economists? What are they proposing in the alternative? Do any of them think your counter proposal is a better solution? If McCain and friends sign off on the proposal tommorow afternoon, then they will have needlessly delayed an urgently needed solution for the sake of political theater. I'm betting even McCain isn't maverick enough to refuse to sign off on the bail out and risking economic collapse.

  • Posted By: ancor747 @ 09/26/2008 3:27:03 PM

    it's not congress who is failing america, it's the republican who are.simple on the immigration issue, the republican are listening to the kkk's on the right and the some of stupid fools on the right, the loudobbs, the o'reilly , the glenn beck and the rest of the americans on the right who thinks only white people should be living here. had this immigration problem been all about white people from europe and some other white countrys we wont be having an immigration problem in this country, all the illegal s would have been given legal status already

    • Posted By: real packer fan @ 09/26/2008 3:32:12 PM

      I was reading some interesting and thoughtful comments on this string until you showed up. Both Democrats and Republicans have been in the White House and in Congressional majorities since this crazy "home ownership for everyone" thing began a couple decades ago. Please refrain from posting unless you have something relevant to add to the discussion, rather than another stupid partisan rant.

  • Posted By: kurtgustav @ 09/26/2008 3:32:02 PM

    Daniel, you must be kidding! Congress may finally save our system by finally not giving in to the CORRUPT BUREAUOCRATS who have been in collusion with their Corrupt Wall Street buddies doing the revolving door thing between Goldman Sachs, J.P Morgan and the Treasury Department.......let these investment bankers collapse and get rid of the Central Bank which is a private bank set up in 1913 for the benefit of the world's most elite and wealtthy private individuals.

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