The Monster That Ate Wall Street

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  • Posted By: rozeh27 @ 09/28/2008 5:10:38 PM

    Ross27, The article explains in plain English what actually happened. The CDSs in wrong hands caused this havoc. Many years ago one could get a mortgage with at least 10% upfront, with no less that an excellent credit, but in the last 7 yrs it was all about getting the big commissions, and the headlines read how it made the American dream a reality. Do not put the blame of the homeowners who did not read the fine print.
    As for NAFTA and treaties like this only benefit developed countries that have a superior infrastructure.

  • Posted By: jimclay75051 @ 09/28/2008 5:03:03 PM

    Not sure I understand why the CDS would cause the current problem. What caused AIG to default on them?

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/28/2008 5:08:44 PM

      A lot of these CDSs are what were referred to as "auction rate" investments because they were regularly auctioned off, like the ones that are backed by student loans. The problem arose when no one bid on them, and suddenly what had been a "liquid" and relatively secure investment tied down cash for an indeterminate period. Because no one is buying them, their "market value" can not be established.

      It doesn't mean there are not assets behind the securities, it means that the ones holding the securities can't exchange them readily for cash they might need to run their businesses, to retool their product line and pay their employees, to refinance their inventories and pay their rent and taxes.

  • Posted By: rcolby7 @ 09/28/2008 4:56:32 PM

    before reading this story, I was sure it was the failure of the Congress to regulate the industry. They encouraged these low credit individuals to buy homes. Now some Republicans are complaining when it was within their perview to stop this in the first place. I would bet my bottom dollar that these Congressman ALL have expensive homes that have quadrupled in value because prices ran up wildly because of their inaction. They want Wall Street to pay back the public for the bailout, but where do you see them asking to give back the fruits of their purchases?
    I have a comment on the bank problems also. WaMU had a run on its deposits because depositiors felt it could fail. That caused $14 Billion to be pulled out and the bank to fail. Why not have the government insure all bank deposits completely? It could be done by insurance or by legitimate Credit Default Swaps. If the large investors such as institutions knew their money was safe they need not run to withdraw money.
    If more regulation is socialism, bring it on !!!

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 5:07:07 PM

      Why don't you go to Russia? They still have this socialism. You did not live under true socializm, so you don't understand what you are saying.

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 09/28/2008 5:06:07 PM

    The tax cut program was the cure all and when it didn't deliver the backup plan was deregulation.

    Once the flood gates opened and the huge profits came rolling in, there were few heros willing to risk it all by questioning the golden goose.

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 09/28/2008 4:49:54 PM

    Sadly, the future for residential real estate is going to be a very slow recovery. Not only are we faced with the financial crisis on Wall Street, but the international competition will continue to depress domestic wages resulting in lower average loan qualifications, assuming we return to the old tried and true methods of qualifying borrowers - abandoned in recent years.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 5:03:02 PM

      What do you mean by "recovery"? Sky-high prices? I will be glad seeing prices go down about 30% more and then ajusting with inflation. Houses must be used for living in them, not for speculation.

  • Posted By: stellarslayer @ 09/28/2008 5:01:08 PM

    Is there anyone in any of these industries that self regulates their own ethics?

  • Posted By: oi8122 @ 09/28/2008 5:00:37 PM

    If you want some other information on this mess go to Burning down the house on youtube. It goes back to Freddie and Fannie

  • Posted By: Matt Daddy @ 09/28/2008 4:39:41 PM

    Bighappy, THINK! McCain supports the bailout! In fact, even last week he stated that he always supports deregulation and the says the economy is fundamentally strong! Think indeed. In fact, let's go back to his chairmanship of the Commerce Committee. That's where the foundation of this disaster starts--deregulation and the gutting of regulatory staff so that even the laws on the books couldn't be enforced.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 4:58:53 PM

      Yes, I am thinking. Yes, our economy indeed is sfundamentally strong. If not such oil prices (thanks to Democrats, who opposed the drilling for severaL years) and bad loand which in fact we owe to each other, not to to foreign countries (I mean only bad loans). Of cource, Bush administration is liable for other mess (I never voted on primaries fot this idiot), but do you want to pay for all those overpriced houses? I did not buy them, and do not want to help those bastards who drove real-estate prices to completely unaffordable level.

  • Posted By: tamra30 @ 09/28/2008 4:56:33 PM

    tcnw, you are right, live like our fathers & grandfathers, if you don't have the money, you don't get it. but the liberal cried "fowl" , thats not fair....everyone gets a house, etc. etc. oh lets give out food stamps, monies to pay utilities. now some actually needed help, but he have "HELPED" people to become lazy and expectant that There should be a tradeff. before any handout, you have to do community service. If america doesn't wake up take back control of the their government, China will own us, just as McCain said. I urge you to read, dig and get some knowledge under your belts. http://www.insightusa.us/FayesFacts/FFsept24-08

  • Posted By: newsweekthisweek @ 09/28/2008 4:53:20 PM

    Here is an analogy to all this disgusting mess.

    I say they all had it coming, sooner than later and it did arrive sooner than later. They all knew what would eventually happen with this type of arrangement; they just took advantage of it realizing that today is what matters; we'll deal with the mess tomorrow and get away with it, either way. "Mama's there to help us out. She loves us unconditionally."

    The government is at fault for allowing this to happen since within each and every government regulation, there exists loopholes that contradict its entirety rendering it null and void determining the self-interest of the party concerned. They de-regulated anything that was in any way profitable to their own selfish interests to line their pockets.

    As usual, they took a blind eye; neglected their responsibility, gambled and lost, sooner than later.

    You give a match to a grown up to light a fire and put it out if and when the need arises; they gave the match to a child who lit the fire and who neither cared nor wished to put it out. The neighbourhood burned down and the child ran to his mother, (the government); got a scolding and that's the long and the short end of it.

    When conglomerates play with other people's money and act like irresponsible children, they should be severely punished and receive jail-time and no payout. Period. They should be barred for life for their criminal acts. And once again, the government is acting irresponsibly by even thinking of doing payouts to these ignoramus idiots.

    Can you imagine how the ordinary person is going to cope with paying into someone else's criminality by taking their last dime and giving it to such preposterous actions...that the government supports...? How much more can a 'normal' person take of all this B.S.? And why do you think we keep going down and down and getting deeper and deeper in a bottomless pit of a debt to borrow from Peter to pay to Paul? Do you actually think the government cares? NO!!!

    They sleep well at night!!! It's not their money!!!

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 09/28/2008 4:01:14 PM

    We are committing $700 billion in various financial instruments for how many years????

    And the public mouth pieces are telling us that it will be a six month turnaround for the economy????

    Some of the Wall Street players are saying privately that this is a 10-15 year workout..

    The next four years is going to look like one of those horror movies - with a meat cleaver - going after social programs while we continue to expand the military.

    It ain't going to be pretty.

    • Posted By: Liberal Lady @ 09/28/2008 4:13:38 PM

      How do you sell bad medicine to the child? You sugar coat it and tell them how good its going to be for you once you get past the taste. It isn't going to be that simple here. What the government is buying will translate to real estate, deteriorating, depreciating, no buyer in sight real estate. If these houses were that easy to sell and recover the investment, the industry would be doing it as they have in the past. Unfortunately they held on to how they always did business without modifying those loans or working with people individually to see who they could help who was a lost cause. The industry has a habit of not working with people unless it fits their mold. They turn the default over to servicers whose income and fees depend on adding them to the defaulted balance. This how trustees and attorneys handling the default make their money people. A little like short selling, they make money on the default. They aren't movtivated to helping people stay in their homes. Bernanke always said you have to start at the bottom and help those who could be helped to cushion or prevent the situation from getting worse. Lenders are now dumping houses on the market after foreclosure for pennies on the dollar, to heck with protecting their loan. They have already written the loan off. This mess will cost the taxpayers trillions if it doesn't take the entire economy into depression and that is if we bail out these bad players. We are buying real estate folks, decaying, deteriorating real estate for which there will be no buyers for many many years, if ever. Those sub-prime buyers are gone! There is a glut of housing on the market in varying stages of construction and decay. It ain't coming back folks! Not for years. By that time these houses will be in too bad shape to restore or recover. I drive through a neighborhood in Memphis where 1 in 3 houses is boarded up and vacant. No buyers. I sell real estate. I have 4 wonderful houses for sale at bottom dollar. I actually could sell them in a heartbeat. I have buyers but they can't qualify to buy. They have no money, down payment assistance is gone, their credit is poor. No one will make them a loan. Even if the lenders are bailed out this segment of the market is gone.

      • Posted By: klebrun @ 09/28/2008 4:49:33 PM

        Sadly, the future for residential real estate is going to be a very slow recovery. Not only are we faced with the financial crisis on Wall Street, but the international competition will continue to depress domestic wages resulting in lower average loan qualifications, assuming we return to the old tried and true methods of qualifying borrowers - abandoned in recent years.

  • Posted By: STARGAZER1963 @ 09/28/2008 4:44:18 PM

    nafta and congress letting business go out of this country and giving tax breaks to those who did is part of the problem if a person aint got a job how can he or she pay their mortgages no money coming in there surely will be no money going out so lets thank clinton and that liar bush too for their economic faux pas STARGAZER

  • Posted By: traderkurt @ 09/28/2008 4:37:01 PM

    It doesn't matter WHO is at fault, the president, congress, lobbyists. You don't regulate "sound ethics". If everyone would only use strong ethical values we wouldn't be in this mess! I think most professional in the industry know exactly when, where, who and what laws were changed or added that caused this. What we need to do is get back to ethical standards in the finance industry. Regulation..deregulation is what got us here. The banking industry knows what a safe secure loan is and the principals reguired for a homeowner to secure it. Hopefully, we dont' have to learn this lesson again. You don't regulate or deregulate ethics!

    • Posted By: Matt Daddy @ 09/28/2008 4:43:35 PM

      Agreed. You don't regulate ethics, but you do model them. We've suffered through many years of unethical and immoral behavior from our Chief Executive. Coupled with blind deregulation (McCain "always supports deregulation") we shouldn't be surprised by the results.

  • Posted By: stevelley @ 09/28/2008 4:42:55 PM

    I agree totally with bighappy. We are bailing out Wall Street which inidrectly bails out Main Street, or else this would surely melt down into something close to the Great Depression of 1929 - 1945. But we should not bail out those homeowners who should never have bought a home in the first place because they just could not afford to. This kind of welfare would have no end and would encourage foolish behavior in the future. For Wall Street, there will be very stringent regulations forbidding them from running those risks any more.

  • Posted By: tcnw @ 09/28/2008 4:40:25 PM

    People like to blame others every time something goes wrong but never look at themselves. Where did the financial institutions get all the bad assets. It is from the people who purchase on credit and cannot pay back. The poor, lower and middle income family wants to own a home and the government give them the chance but many people abuse it. Taking more than they can repay. That's why there are so many foreclosures. Until you pay off your debt, you own nothing. What a joke to have people that borrow into their home equity for a vacation or buy expensive item that they can afford. There is not much different that the rich that pay $10,000 for a bottle of wine. At least, the rich pay in cash and not credit. The reason why the rich is getting rich because they can pay off everything and the middle and lowwer income class cannot but they still continue to get credit and get more debts just to live like the rich. We are saving the US financial systems caused by the US people who cannot pay off their debt. For all of us that pay off our debt and house, we are bearing your debt. So don't just blame the government, the president, the lawmakers, the financial institutions and the rich. Take some responsibility and pay off your debt first before making another. This whole country is built on credit. Loan after loan and credit for credit. They should go down just like the financial institution. This bailout is trying to save this irresponsible people who it will not bring down the US economy.

  • Posted By: tm822 @ 09/28/2008 4:39:22 PM

    Blame N.A.F.T.A. for all of this. We send all our money ouy of the country and nothing coming in. And this didn't just happen overnight.

  • Posted By: STARGAZER1963 @ 09/28/2008 4:38:29 PM

    nafta and congress letting business go out of this country and giving tax breaks to those who did is part of the problem if a person aint got a job how can he or she pay their mortgages no money coming in there surely will be no money going out so lets thank clinton and that liar bush too for their economic faux pas STARGAZER

  • Posted By: LeoDu @ 09/28/2008 4:37:06 PM

    Ok, we know that one of Sen. McCains campain advisors received retainers. Thoes retainers don't go into Sen. McCains pockets to use. On the other hand Fannie May/Freddie Mac Both gave large some of money directly to Sen. Obama's campain for him to spend for his own bennifit. That sounds like a big difference to me.

  • Posted By: Watchman09 @ 09/28/2008 4:33:27 PM

    My goodness, such an excellent piece. No mention of Carter, no mention of Clinton, no mention of Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, or Janet Reno and their roles in this. And the author managed to get a plug in for renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban as well. A masterful liberal fairy tale spun just right. Is it any wonder readership of legacy media is fading away?

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  • Posted By: afrizunk @ 09/28/2008 4:27:02 PM

    I was a bank examiner years ago and the object was to see that commercial banks didn't get carried away with risky loans since non of the money they lent "belonged" to the bank, only to the depositors and equity providers. So that went very well until the introduction of interest swaps and CDS evolution of those third-party risk transactions. And the failure of regulators to assess those risks in the past 7 years especially. Homeowners loans have been badly mishandled by formerly trustworthy institutions. A bailout just rearranges the deck chairs.

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