The Monster That Ate Wall Street

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  • Posted By: fallon2012 @ 09/28/2008 4:24:52 PM

    Great video of C-Span2 hearings on Freddie and Fannie:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 4:24:31 PM

    I understand conservative Respublicans (even do not support) in their effort to block the bailout. If Obama is in the office - he will buy bad mortgages and forgive insane homeowners (Democrats already tried to include it in the package), and then all $700 billions will be lost for normal taxpayers. The bailout is the done deal, so if you want most of your tax money back - do not vote for Obama (still feel free to vote for Democrats in congress). You can blame bush and Republicans, buth still think.

  • Posted By: afrizunk @ 09/28/2008 4:19:47 PM

    Years ago I was a bank examiner for the Federal Reserve. So knowing about banks' risk levels was our primary mission, and that supervision kept banks from getting too ambitious with crazy schemes. However with the creation of third party risk swaps used for various illusory solutions, risk management and supervision of same went out the window. Your article tells the story very well.

    Bill Zunkel

  • Posted By: cdstrader @ 09/28/2008 1:55:27 PM

    Extremely pooly written article. The author understand precious little about the CDS market and how it operates. Wall street problems have NOTHING to do with CDS, but with current lack of liquidity.
    In the last half a year we had 2 very active CDS dealers collapse : Bear and Lehman. Together these two had written TRILLIONS of notional CDS contracts . Did the dissapearance of these banks collapse the CDS market? NO. CDS market keeps on growing without BSC and LEH. Why? Because it's proven that it's resilient and liquid and will survive the default of one of the counterparties
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    About the regulation. Most of teh CDS contracts are written by entities already residing in London, not NY. NYState cannot regulate these contracts. If they try to do it even more finance jobs will go to UK, like they did after 2002 Sorban oxley.

    • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/28/2008 4:13:51 PM

      Bull f|_|cking sh1t. CDS's were sold in excess of TEN TIMES the debt amount in order to circumvent liquidity laws, multiplying the credit risk per loan as much as ten times on a serious default. That's exactly what happened, and exactly why Bear Sterns and Lehman Bros. and Countrywide and now WaMu have gone out of business. AIG, the main insurer, could not repay the defaults upon the downturn of the housing market, and Bear and Lehman and WaMU and Countrywide all considered that debt to be "safe" and didn't maintain sufficient liquidity to survive when they found out it wasn't.

      Your name belies your possible bias. Credit default swaps are like landmines in the financial system - they explode in times of trouble, they cause a lot of damage, and each one has the possibility of exploding. If those finance jobs you mention are CDS trading - like yourself - feel free to go anywhere you like as long as it's not here. You can go to the UK and explode their financial system (not that you haven't already). As a matter of fact, why don't you start trading in North Korea and Iran? Would save us all a lot of trouble in those conflicts.

  • Posted By: qm2ron @ 09/28/2008 4:10:48 PM

    No more needs to be said. I see no "change" with this guy either. Just the usual bought and paid for politicians.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

  • Posted By: wnnr2 @ 09/28/2008 4:10:12 PM

    Why a $700 billion(s?) bailout for the "investment" banks and "credit swaps" insurance companies but not for the "greedy" homeowner?

    That $700,000,000,000.00 equals lets say 7,000,000 mortgages at $100,000. each. What if all default back payments and related costs were tacked onto the back of home mortgages and the approximately $100,000. (weighted) for each mortgage from this bailout fund was split amongst all home mortgages and applied to each mortgage balance thereby lowering the mortgage payments etc. to somewhat reflect the present value of these homes and take the undue pressure off the homeowner.. Not only would this money go into the banking system as in the present bailout idea, but it would provide the basis for again introducing value into the U. S. home market--thus by bringing "subprime" mortgage loans up to par. This mortgage direct credit plan immediately revalues the troubled mortgages and morphs that "valueless" paper into viable loans. Voila, the squeeze causing our credit problems due to the mortgage collapse dissappears.

    This leaves the hedge funds and other hugely speculative firms to handle their own problems. These firms have been profitting greatly on highly speculative derivatives and credit swaps by risky leveraging. When they guess wrong, they get "margin calls"--that's the nature of the beast. Yet they too will also obtain some relief through the tricke down effects of this mortgage direct credit plan.

    People, on the other hand, have to live somewhere. They all, argueably, pay for home mortgages either directly or through landlords. When given the chance to own their own home--The American Dream--they jump at the chance. What's wrong with protecting the American people, the related banks, and the secondary market instead just limiting the bailout to specualtors only?

    The reality is that either bailout is but a temporary fix. If serious rules regulating the federal reserve, the hedge funds, credit swaps, and the like, are not put in place, the federal reserve will remain incapable policing the American economy. The federal reserve has become an organization bent on protecting the net worth of a very few to the detriment of the middle and lower classes.

    The kneejerk severe and incessant increasing of the fed funds rate from 1% in 2003 to the high of 5.25% on June 29,2006 was the primary cause of this credit crisis. By raising these rates so quickly, the economy did not have a chance to self correct. They really appear in a fog on what to do now. Whatever it is that the federal reserve does now, they, rather than just focusing on protecting the super wealthy, must act instead for the benefit of entire American populace.

  • Posted By: AllenWexler @ 09/28/2008 4:07:40 PM

    Can we get Phil Gramm to explain his intent in pushing through the grammswap bill in Dec 2000 that enabled the unregulated trading of credit default insurance?

  • Posted By: Carol Cares @ 09/28/2008 4:07:13 PM

    The reasons for our ecnomic failures are multiple and probably stretch at least over 3 decades of policy makers, wouldn't you agree? They span mostly Republican controlled and some Democratically controlled segments over this time span. Maybe it's the 2-party system, maybe not.
    With the U.S. being so vast and businesses involved in foreign countires, leaving hard working U.S. workers who made their businesses great, only to become more greedy over the decade with the lower paid workforce overseas , don't you think this too, contributed to the problem?
    I just want to see every business involved in any greed to, "pony up," and return to the U.S. workers, what should never have been kept away. Fat chance, huh?
    Gee, if they just would take 1/2 of the CEO's bonuses and overpriced salaries and divide them among U.S. lower paid workers, everyone who is losing so much, especially their homes, would have the money to pay for them and the banking industry wouldn't need a bail-out, now would they? Hey, this may be a novel idea?
    Hey, why not use all of the so-called Bail Out money and divide that among every U.S. citizen? Wouldn't that be a win-win solution? Search, research, study and vote wisely! Carol G.l

  • Posted By: mcadaragh @ 09/28/2008 4:06:20 PM

    Nothing but thieves , how can you live with yourselfs. your lives will take a turn for the worst. Carma coming right at you.

  • Posted By: ykrick @ 09/28/2008 4:03:10 PM

    The Acorn loans were a social experiment that went wrong. Clinton and Reno were responsible for "encouraging" red line loans

  • Posted By: NoLTDebtForMe @ 09/28/2008 3:33:37 PM

    Great article. Time to stop the political spin that "It's all George Bush's fault." Correct me if I'm wrong but he wasn't in office at the time all this nonsense and greed started. Let's lay the blame where it belongs - on Wall Street for creating products that they don't understand, on Congress for failing to see the potential doom and not regulating these instruments, and on all the greedy "I've got to have it now" consumers that took on debt that they neither deserved nor understood. Time for a reality check and some personal accountability!

    • Posted By: klebrun @ 09/28/2008 3:42:19 PM

      Wall Street has been talking privately about the mess that we are in.

      Bush and McCain just found out about it last week.

      Is that your definition of an executive on top of the issues.

      • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 4:02:42 PM

        Really? I remember only articles that those crazy home prices were undervalued (more needy immigrants and so no). I only scratched my head worrying either they are motons or thieves.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 3:47:07 PM

      Of course Bush is somewhat responsible. Few years ago he or somebody from his staff had to explain that hoisung prices are inflated and it would be foolish to buy homes for profit. Did they? To be fair, it is difficult to imagine any President to say it.

  • Posted By: JACA @ 09/28/2008 4:00:42 PM

    This is a complex situation. We need to start of "greed", lack of regulation, and the most important, the Financial sector of Wall Street made a Chess mate to the next administration before start. A legal extorsion: if you do not bail us now, we will send America to the hardest Depression to its history. Sending us to the third world so fast that we will not be able to see it unitl we are there

  • Posted By: jconger @ 09/28/2008 3:58:41 PM

    This article fails to mention that CDS's did not have to be purchased on a loan that you actully owned. This is equivalent to purchasing insurance on your neighbors car because you know he is a bad driver. Pure gambling, and this type of product has to be outlawed.

  • Posted By: klebrun @ 09/28/2008 3:38:26 PM

    Wall Street has been talking privately about the mess that we were in for over a year.

    Bush and McCain found out about it last week.

    Somebody needs to send them to a dictionary to look up the word "executive", for starters.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 3:58:32 PM

      So was Clintons. And Obama.

  • Posted By: wstephenjackson @ 09/28/2008 3:16:28 PM

    Though I have worked in IT for some years, I was educated in Finance and did my Masters in Econometrics; I was trained to be a stock broker, for all practical purposes. In all of the quaint education in applied statistics, economic theory, Stochastic dominance and the like, I did walk away with a few useful morsels. Number one: if you do not understand an asset and how it works, why it has value, and to what risks it might be subject, do not invest in it. Forget the rules of diversification. Those only apply to investments where you actually understand the asset.

    The confidence man has always prospered because all of his victims have one thing in common ... greed. Greed can muffle good sense and prudence and greed makes dupes of marks everywhere every day.

    One problem for the average investor is that he or she has been essentially corralled into markets he does not understand by the investments available to him or her. The worker who depends on their company???s 401K has no control over where the funds are invested. Oh, they can often select from various funds, but the average person has no hope of understanding how those funds work.

    The current cry for regulation is useless. Investment professionals can run around regulations 10 times faster than they can be erected; history has proven this repeatedly. Individuals must learn to understand how their money is invested and demand that the investments which they hold make economic sense. Until the average citizen takes responsibility, our system will fail. Remember that this is a democracy only so long as citizens take responsibility for maintaining it. This applies equally at the ballot box and the bank.

    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 09/28/2008 3:58:14 PM

      Actually regulations do work when they are in the interest of the parties regulated. Witness the meat packing industry. There will always be a few that try to game the system, but if its in the best interest of an industry, the industry will broadly follow the regulations. I can't think of anyone that would have more interest in valuating and regulating these instruments than those that buy them. Without buyers there will be no sellers.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/28/2008 3:42:10 PM

      Excellent comment wstephenjackson. The average working person must ask questions if he/she wants to figure out what his investment advisor is proposing and why.

      But that does not resolve the issue of illiquid capitol. There is too much credit tied up in these nonperforming loans. The problem is not that there are no assets behind them, but that no one is making payments and no one is willing to buy either the CDS or the underlying assets until they can be "valued" and there is no way to "value" them in the free market unless buyers with tons of capitol step up to buy them. It's not so much a "bailout" of the economy as it is a reintroduction of liquidity that is needed.

      The question is whether we as taxpayers can afford to buy and hold these assets until other buyers are found. I do not know the answer to that question, and have not heard anyone try to tackle it yet.

    • Posted By: pastorpatrick43 @ 09/28/2008 3:24:12 PM

      Thank you for your comment! I hope everyone reads it.

  • Posted By: Liberal Lady @ 09/28/2008 3:57:22 PM

    Credit default swaps are a little like going to the produce store where the tomatoes on top are pretty but those on the bottom are less than perfect. If you can see to the bottom, fine, but the those rating the model weren't looking at what was inside the package. You can blame Dems or Republicans all you want but it was mortgage companies that became greedy because they were making a fortune in selling faulty products while no one was looking. They didn't know when to fold and walk away from the table. Stay too long and what do you get? You get the government picking up the t ab.

  • Posted By: myearth @ 09/28/2008 3:23:16 PM

    I owe a small business and work like a slave. I didn't buy a new house or car; I did get cheated on a refinance because they lied like dogs and by the time I realized it I was backed into a corner. I do blame others, lots of them, for this mess. I live entirely within my means, but my business is likely to be destroyed. Yes, some consumers got greedy, but the financial industry worked hard to enable this when it was their job to qualify those seeking loans.

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 3:28:50 PM

      How they lied? Probably promiced that your new adjustable mortgage will never jump? Or that prices will continue climb? If you believed them against your best judgement - who is to blame except yourself? Sorry, but you is one of responcible, not only the victim.

      • Posted By: myearth @ 09/28/2008 3:40:00 PM

        It was a company I had done business with 18 years and I thought they were reputable (remember how that used to work?) I was stupid to trust them. I blame them (why not, they lied to me and others as a standard business practice) and I blame myself. You should have noticed that I stated it as a fact; I wasn't whining about it. And no, it wasn't an adjustable mortgage and I have since refinanced it. I can afford it unless there is a total meltdown since it is only 20% of the value of the house.. You apparently interpret everything based on your beliefs. I have going to have problems because my buesness is being hurt by other's greed NOT because of anything I have done wrong.

        • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 3:56:03 PM

          So, your house was 4-5 times of current (which is still slightly inflated) market value that time? And you beleved that it was the real price? So, you went for easy money, instead of research. Was it so difficult to figure out that was a buble price?

      • Posted By: myearth @ 09/28/2008 3:42:12 PM

        Oh, how they lied? I was refinancing because of a divorce. They told me the terms of the loan would be exactly the same as the old loan. Completely untrue.

  • Posted By: jconger @ 09/28/2008 3:54:28 PM

    This misses one salient point about CDS's. You did not have to have the loan on which you were buying the insurance . Used correctly they can be helpful; used this way it's like buying insurance on your neighbors car because you know he is a terrible driver. Pure gambling.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 3:49:23 PM

    Here's the lead of a New York Times story on Sept. 11, 2003: "The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago." [see link below]

    McCain said in co-sponsoring the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, "If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole."

    What was Barney Frank and fellow Democrats saying at the time of these attempted reforms? According to reports, Representative Barney Frank(D-MA) claimed of the thrifts "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." Representative Mel Watt (D-NC) added "I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing." [ See Community Reinvestment Act, second link below w/ history]

    The first link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed second, after Dodd, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Kerry and then Clinton. The last link describes how some in Congress tried to use the original bailout bill to funnel money to groups like ACORN. See:

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

    http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2QwNDhkZTg2OGYzZjkzM2E2NDEwM2U5OGVkNTc0YzU=

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  • Posted By: notsofast @ 09/28/2008 3:40:00 PM

    "In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending [expanding mortgage loans among low and moderate income people], Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980s."

    New York Times, 1999


    "The mortgage industry intends to pursue minorities with greater intensity as federal regulators turn up the heat to increase home ownership...the federal government in the meantime has increased pressure on lenders to seek out minorities, as well as low-income groups and borrowers with poor credit histories...Fannie Mae recently reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to commit half its business to low- and moderate-income borrowers. That means half the mortgages bought by Fannie Mae would be from those income brackets."

    David Glenn
    President and CEO
    Freddie Mac, 1999

    • Posted By: Liberal Lady @ 09/28/2008 3:49:21 PM

      Like the product sold into investments, the idea and model was enticing, too lucrative. Responsible homeownership is a good thing but the industry without regulation took advantage of minorities and those with a dream and little else and sold them bad loans in exchange for that dream. Telling them it was manna, they sold ARMs, prepay-penalties and higher rates, while taking a handout under the table from lenders to bait and switch an ignorant borrower.

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