The Monster That Ate Wall Street

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  • Posted By: Jeff-in-Mesa @ 09/28/2008 3:25:39 PM

    Thanks for the detailed, if somewhat belated explanation. These instruments should be banned. They're no different than a gun in the hands of a terrorist because the people with their fingers on the triggers simply can't be trusted. There is no basis for valuating them either, because you can't value every underlying loan without access to that data. Did CPA's deny an opinion on the valuation of these instruments, as they should have?



    • Posted By: jarcher1 @ 09/28/2008 3:44:36 PM

      I think you're being a bit extreme Jeff. Some bankers still have some integrity, but a majority do not in my opinion. As the article says, they are still extremely useful when properly used. They should in fact be carefully regulated, but an out right ban is perhaps unwise. They do increase a banks "lending power." Leveraging is finance speak for it, but they need to have a clearly recognized risk quotient and a clearly recognized value.

  • Posted By: qm2ron @ 09/28/2008 3:43:36 PM

    While this is a nicely packaged scenario to rest blame, let us not forget just exactly why and how these "risky" porfolios came to be and why these financial institutions tried every which way to divest themselves of the risk! After you view this little synopsis, you might want to open it up for a better, more educated discussion.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

  • Posted By: qm2ron @ 09/28/2008 3:43:16 PM

    While this is a nicely packaged scenario to rest blame, let us not forget just exactly why and how these "risky" porfolios came to be and why these financial institutions tried every which way to divest themselves of the risk! After you view this little synopsis, you might want to open it up for a better, more educated discussion.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

  • Posted By: notsofast @ 09/28/2008 3:42:25 PM

    Another take.....

    "In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending [expanding mortgage loans among low and moderate income people], Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980s."

    New York Times, 1999


    "The mortgage industry intends to pursue minorities with greater intensity as federal regulators turn up the heat to increase home ownership...the federal government in the meantime has increased pressure on lenders to seek out minorities, as well as low-income groups and borrowers with poor credit histories...Fannie Mae recently reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to commit half its business to low- and moderate-income borrowers. That means half the mortgages bought by Fannie Mae would be from those income brackets."

    David Glenn
    President and CEO
    Freddie Mac, 1999

  • Posted By: Jeff-in-Mesa @ 09/28/2008 3:24:31 PM

    Thanks for the detailed, if somewhat belated explanation. These instruments should be banned. They're no different than a gun in the hands of a terrorist because the people with their fingers on the triggers simply can't be trusted. There is no basis for valuating them either, because you can't value every underlying loan without access to that data. Did CPA's deny an opinion on the valuation of these instruments, as they should have?



    • Posted By: Liberal Lady @ 09/28/2008 3:41:54 PM

      The model structure of the product was good. Rating agencies looked the other way because they weren't examining the product in depth. Think of going to the produce store, where they place the good fruit on top of the bad and sell the package. When you get home you have the culls on the bottom. Mortgage lenders got very greedy and began to scam all borrowers they could with ARM loans, pre-pay penalties, etc. It was a set-up for failure when the loans reset and people who couldn't afford them in the beginning really couldn't afford their notes. Mortgage brokes pocketed thousands under the table, payoffs from the mortgage lender, to bait and switch loans with the buyer or borrower not discovering the truth about his loan until the closing table. Many then did not understand what they had bought because the broker was telling them they could refinance in a couple of years with the market rising and avoid the reset. Predatory brokers were paid more to switch loans to ARMs, higher rates, pre-penalty loans. It was lender greed that translated to more money for those selling these products through big lenders like Countrywide, WashMU, Century, American Home, etc. Some of these companies are already gone but we are buying out the others. Don't kid yourself that it is a lack of money that is forcing us to buy up these toxic mortgages. It is an industry wanting to play another day. Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase are buying up banks like crazy. Every time someone asks Paulsen why and what if, he juist says it will be worse if we don't. Well, I have to say, worse for WHO? Lawmakers have bought the scam of which Paulsen is the Pied Piper for the industry he represents. We can't buy off this mess, we are just transferring it to taxpayers giving the mortgage giants a parachute. Don't worry about the CEO, we are saving the whole company. It will backfire. Many of these giants go down anyway because you destroy the economy for the taxpayer, he isn't going to buy your product anyway.

  • Posted By: Carol Cares @ 09/28/2008 3:38:27 PM

    Look up the facts about both Presidential Candidates to see which one favored deregulation or not. Check to see who was Chairman of a committee that pushed for deregulation. . Look up the facts and the past might continue into our future, depending on our votes. Hopefully, not. Search, study and vote wisely. It's for my future, my children's, grandchildren's. and ..future generations, too, as well as yours and your upcoming generations! Carol G.

  • Posted By: jnathanbridge @ 09/28/2008 1:31:08 PM

    I find it interesting that liberals want to put the primary blame on unregulated markets, credit default swaps and legislation that was passed in 1999 and 2000 such as the Commodities Futures Modernization act. Conservatives want to place most of the blame on bad housing loans and the failure of democrats to properly regulate Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005 and 2006. Each side wants to blame the other. Neither side wants to take responsibility. There are these competing narratives and any attempt at accurately understanding the situation gets lost in spin, propaganda and polemic. What about an honest, non-partisan attempt to really understand the situation?

    • Posted By: SuzyQ1 @ 09/28/2008 3:37:18 PM

      amen. The blame game and all this vituperitave verbage gets us nowhere. Could we please look at it this way?: This is the problem. These are possible ways to solve the problem. Which will be the most effective?

  • Posted By: Negative I.Q. @ 09/28/2008 3:36:23 PM

    What many of your readers don't understand, is that the Congress is NOT controlled by the Democrates or the Republicans, it never was. It's always been controlled by big business. But we still have the best gvernment that credit can buy.

  • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 2:59:05 PM

    Real-estate bubble caused this mess. And byuing insanity came from the bottom, not from the top. With so many middle-income idiots - banks would always find the way to lend them money. I hope those morons will lose their last shirts now and will not stay on the way of working people who wanted buy houses for living there, not for investment.

    • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/28/2008 3:31:23 PM

      What caused the problem was making risky loans that bolstered the home building boom. We must blame both the idiots who thought they were getting something for nothing, a home with zero down, no payments until next year, interest only on a balloon ARM to be refinanced before the payment ballooned, etc.; and the lenders who assured the idiot buyers that the worst that would happen if they defaulted on their mortgage would be that they would lose the house they couldn't afford in the first place.

      Credit default swaps are little more than a way of spreading the risk. As the article notes, the problem arises when defaults start operating like dominoes because of the CDS market, triggering a widespread failure that would not have occurred if banking regulations had been imposed on the investment companies, and they had been held to the capitol requirements banks have always been held to.

      When investment companies come up with something new like CDS, it is hard to figure out how and why and even if the new investment product should be regulated, and maybe Congress should have recognized this problem years ago.

      But ultimately it boils down to someone making risky credit decisions and talking people into buying something they can't afford, and fools thinking they can get something for nothing.

      That does not mean that action is not required, however. What has happened is that the CDS device has tied up so much capitol, and made it so illiquid, that it has impaired the flow of cash. Think of it as a fountain which recycles the same water perpetually. As long as everything is flowing, there is plenty of water. But if one tier freezes, and another shuts off it's valve and hoards the water it holds, eventually there isn't any water flowing anywhere.

      I don' t know if 700 billion will get the CDS market to thaw out, get the fountain flowing again, but something has to happen or industry in America will come to a dead halt. Auto manufacturers that have capitol wrapped up in autos on showroom floors that they can't sell won't have capitol to retool to make the new hybrids we need to become energy independent. Construction companies that have capitol wrapped up in homes they can't sell won't buy lumber from companies that have warehouses full of 2x4s they can't sell that will have to shut down too, and not only will people lose jobs, but new low income housing won't be built because there won't be any investors who would be willing to put up the capitol to build them. Farmers won't find the credit to buy seed and food costs will soar. Trucking companies won't have cargo to deliver, stores will close, etc., etc., etc.

      Credit must flow for a capitalist system to work.

  • Posted By: Bill @ 09/28/2008 3:18:38 PM

    It's fun to blame Wall Street for the financial mess and the energy companies for the energy crisis and the health care system for the high cost of health care - the list goes on. The sad reality is that we only have ourselves to blame. The greed and corruption on Wall Street is simply a reflection of a society gleefully sits on the sideline in good times and is relegated to finger-pointing in the bad times. Want proof. How many voted in the last general election?

    • Posted By: myearth @ 09/28/2008 3:28:46 PM

      My only debt is a house I have owned for $20. I own a 9 year old car. I always vote. I am active in organizations that have tried to expose how greed and corruption are destroying this company. I rarely buy anything new and my furniture is mostly 28 years old. My business is likely to go belly up because of greed. How is this my fault?

  • Posted By: NYCviaLA @ 09/28/2008 3:27:25 PM

    CDS should have been regulated years ago. It's thanks to congress (especially the Banking Committee) that is to blame. I suspect most members had never heard of them until a couple of months ago!

  • Posted By: Quaizywabbit @ 09/28/2008 3:26:39 PM

    They have the luxury of being able to hold out indefinetely for thier asking prices, however inflated they've become.....

    Put time to work against them by requiring sale/lease/ or rental within a timeframe or risk seizure by the local govt.....

    No community wants vacant homes, apartments, and factories being held hostage.....Make them MOVE IN, or MOVE ON!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: markt314159 @ 09/28/2008 3:24:48 PM

    No more no less than Homer Simpson's silo of pig crap, the finnancial industry had decided to do the equivalent of the beef industry:: Grind up and feed death to itself in the form of these toxic morgages. That's the abstract pattern.

  • Posted By: markt314159 @ 09/28/2008 3:22:36 PM

    No more no less than Homer Simpson's silo of pig crap, the finnancial industry had decided to do the equivalent of the beef industry:: Grind up and feed death to itself in the form of these toxic morgages. That's the abstract pattern.

  • Posted By: US Citizen @ 09/28/2008 3:16:47 PM

    What lies!

    • Posted By: bighappy @ 09/28/2008 3:21:27 PM

      Why lie? Houses trippled-quadrupled in price fo 5 years because of mass greed. Too many middle-income morons were involved in this mess.

  • Posted By: scottinwny @ 09/28/2008 2:54:46 PM

    Newsweek failed to mention how horrible mortgages being given to unqualified people played a huge roll in this castrophe as well.

    • Posted By: catvol@chartertn.net @ 09/28/2008 3:21:01 PM

      Enter Your CommentNo, and they aren't going to. You forget this is left wing radical media. Anything goes except the truth.

  • Posted By: abcdef @ 09/28/2008 3:18:26 PM

    Seems like Capitalism just died a quick death and just as quickly, Socialism has been born. I would hope that now since the taxpayers now effectively own AIG, Fannie and Freddie that the dividends or profits from those companies, if any, will be used to either reduce the national deficit or reduce individual income taxes of the middle class.
    At least Bush now has his presidental legacy for his 8 years in office, the worst financial crisis and economy in 80 years.

  • Posted By: Liberal Lady @ 09/28/2008 3:18:25 PM

    The promise of 'recovery' on investment is a fall back in this mess but the truth is the taxpayer is paying to insure already defaulted loans, loans with real estate as collateral. What is taking down the industry is servicing those defaulted properties when real estate is not selling. They are foreclosing in record numbers or selling for pennies on the dollar to prevent returning to the bank as REO (Real Estate Owned). REOs are not selling unless they are discounted so heavily it is destroying normal real estate marketing. Inventory is growing while servicing companies, attorneys, trustees are being paid to hold and manage. Selling the REOs is not going to happen even if credit is freed. The sub-prime market is permanently gone because the people who qualified for these risky loans will not be permitted to buy again until they clean up their credit, prove income, etc. They were 'marks' for mortgage lenders who sold them something for nothing, the dream home, with no proof of income or money down. THE MARKET THAT BOUGHT THESE HOMES IS NOT GOING TO RETURN TO BUY OUT EXCESS INVENTORY! The US taxpayer will hold this real estate for years and the cost is going to exceed 700 billion by far.

  • Posted By: markci @ 09/28/2008 1:44:05 PM

    The Bush administration's deleliction of duty on this is no different than their blatant incompetence duing hurricane Katrina, or their long mismanagement of the Iraw war. How could this come to a surprise to anyone?

    • Posted By: suzieb @ 09/28/2008 3:17:17 PM

      When are you people going to realize that many of our neighbors are just as responsible for this mess as are our "leaders" Where is personal responsibility here? Are there that many dopes out there who don't know that they cannot afford to borrow more money than they can ever afford to pay back? What about those millions who default on their credit cards, file for bankruptsy then the rest of us are left holding the bag. We live in an entitled world and if Obama gets in, watch everyone come at him, demanding their government handouts. You think we are in trouble now, consider this a warning for you people who think you are so entitled - you are NOT. Start living responsible, no one owes you anything!

  • Posted By: Bill @ 09/28/2008 3:17:05 PM

    It's fun to blame Wall Street for the financial mess and the energy companies for the energy crisis and the health care system for the high cost of health care - the list goes on. The sad reality is that we only have ourselves to blame. The greed and corruption on Wall Street is simply a reflection of a society gleefully sits on the sideline in good times and is relegated to finger-pointing in the bad times. Want proof. How many voted in the last general election?

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