The Monster That Ate Wall Street

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  • Posted By: markci @ 09/28/2008 1:24:26 PM

    *** It was also the liberalization of the regulations in 2006 or so within Freddie Mac and Mae. Notely a democratic congress...***

    The Republicans controlled congress in 2006, retard.

  • Posted By: mwinvs @ 09/28/2008 1:10:14 PM

    See also the crucial role of the Commodities Futures "Modernization" Act (2000) snuck through Congress by Senator Phil Gramm and sponsored by Enron. The derivatives market, freed from any oversight whatsoever by this bill, mushroomed into the Frankenstein Buffett warned about. This nmess could not have happend without this.

  • Posted By: Lynn @ 09/28/2008 1:07:43 PM

    Oh, no...Let's not forget those jerks on all the finance committees in Congress! Where was Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the Democrat heavy weights, during the last eight years, pray tell? Just sitting on their fat butts, not manning the wheel, not performing due diligence of the pending financial crisis that is on THEIR watch. Where was the SEC? I demand an investigation, especially into Barney Franks, the octopus with all 8 tentacles in lobbyists pockets and lunch pails!!!!!

  • Posted By: TruthBhad @ 09/28/2008 1:06:48 PM

    It just wasnt credit swaps.
    It was also the liberalization of the regulations in 2006 or so within Freddie Mac and Mae. Notely a democratic congress...liberalized the regulations so others who could not really afford a house could get one.

    TBH

  • Posted By: mwinvs @ 09/28/2008 1:06:20 PM

    Not a bad review but a crucial missing piece is the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000, legislation passed by (many would say snuck through as the bill was never debated) Congress and championed by then Senator Phil Gramm and Enron. This legislation exempted all private part derivative contracts from any government oversight whatsoever and led to an explosion of contracts and the resulting meltdown.

  • Posted By: KJFS @ 09/28/2008 12:57:17 PM

    mjkoch is right. I am just as angry with bailing out the unethical Wall St. theives as I am about bailing out the "I gotta have it because I want it" (even though I can't afford to pay for it) Main St. crowd. Owning a house (and second vacation home, and time share) and SUV are NOT a right. They are purchases that should be made by carefully thinking through what you can afford after you do your homework. I did without because put the money aside for a "rainy day" and didn't buy on impulse. Its the same as those who declare bankrupcy not because they lost their income, but because they didn't do the math.

  • Posted By: peter atwood @ 09/28/2008 12:42:46 PM

    Pouring $700 billion into what? Has everyone forgot the problem with: 1. 'ACTUAL TRADE DEFICT' 2. The 'AMERICAN INABILITY TO EXERCISE DISCIPLINED CONSUMER SPENDING'. 3. The MULTIPLE LEVELS OF GREED that need to be prosecuted; not just the COE's. $700 billion could easily be extracted by freezing the bank accounts of the 1000's of executives that created this mess and using that money instead of the tax payers dollars. Start there first, then determine how much more capital needs to be generated. Before you ask the innocent to help start with the ones directly linked to the problem.

  • Posted By: NJ to Miami @ 09/28/2008 12:41:51 PM

    Dear Holly Garfield
    You are wrong, our Gov.. will not make money on the bailout. 1) Gov has to borrow the $700 billion and pay interest on this for 10 or 20 years. 2) Our Gov. will have to pay expenses on all the foreclosured homes it take ownership of: the property taxes, repairs on homes like broken windows and leaky roofs, cutting the lawn, etc. In Florida who will prepare for a hurricane an empty foreclosed government owned home?

  • Posted By: colinml @ 09/28/2008 12:38:02 PM

    Alan Fishman was CEO of Wa-Mu for less than three weeks. He is eligible for a severance package of $19 million dollars.

    "How we got here" is this: Robber Barons and no oversight.

  • Posted By: libbster68 @ 09/28/2008 12:24:30 PM

    Nobody is even talking about how the feds raised interest rates. That is truly why we are in this mess. Did the federal reserve really need to raise them in the first place? The oversight we need is in the federal reserve.

    • Posted By: acheslow @ 09/28/2008 12:33:12 PM

      @libbster68 is right - you have to follow the money all the way back to its source. Blaming borrowers or lenders or investors is only addressing half of the picture. Defecit spending, fiat currency, and manipulation of the money supply and interest rates by the Federal Reserve and Treasury are the root cause -- and they are being sold to us as the solution.

      • Posted By: libbster68 @ 09/28/2008 12:36:01 PM

        And now we are going to pay the price. Higher taxes and a bum economy.

  • Posted By: extreme_centrist @ 09/28/2008 12:29:54 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

  • Posted By: libbster68 @ 09/28/2008 12:28:39 PM

    After the feds realized what they had done it was too late. Then they started lowering rates. A classic federal government move....react after it is too late.

  • Posted By: riddelup @ 09/28/2008 7:57:59 AM

    A bailout does not resolve the underlying cause of the current crisis. The root cause of the crisis is the busting of the housing bubble. The bailout only tackles the symptoms of the crisis and it only addresses the symptoms of one sector. This sector my be the loudest in the history of government. It has spread so much of it's wealth around the government that many of our otherwise erstwhile representatives have misinterpreted their mandate. The cost of housing has been run up by those who profit or wish to profit from it's engorged state. The fact is we cannot afford the prices of houses regardless the complicated structure ,deferred principle,or manipulated payments. The government should attend to the needs of the voter and address the problem. The bailout will enable the banks to deffer the consequences of their actions and give those who are responsible for their own demise a chance to withdraw their profits from the system. The bailout will not solve the problem simply put because it does not address the problem. Because it does not address the problem the problem will remain. Affordable housing is the problem. Paying the wolves who fleeced the sheep is not the solution.

    • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/28/2008 9:32:57 AM

      You are right in the bailout not addressing the root cause. It does prevent the problem from turning into a major depression, though. The root cause will not be solved by a single piece of legislation. That will take time and carefully crafted regulations that are enforced, along with major financial industry changes. Much of the regulation needed is already in place. It hadn't been enforced under Alan Greenspan. But without the bailout we don't have the time to fix the root cause. And the bailout does not actually cost taxpayers $700 billion in the end. It is not out of line for the government to actually turn a profit. The government uses the money to buy what should be worth about what it pays when the economy recovers, at which point the government will sell the debt back to the public. Provisions in the bailout do address various concerns beside the appropriation. Read the whole list, and analyst's predictions before getting angry.

  • Posted By: williambanzai7 @ 09/27/2008 10:25:38 PM

    TARP BAILOUT THRILLER NIGHT (Final version)
    (Michael Jackson's Thriller)
    WilliamBanzai7

    It's Midnight this late September night and the street is full of Politicians, Lurking in the Dark.
    Under The Moonlight, You See A Sight That Almost Stops Your Heart.
    You Try To Scream, But Terror Takes The Sound Before You Make It.
    Debt Markets Start To Freeze, As Horror Looks You Right Between The Eyes,
    Your Paralyzed

    You Hear The Door Slam, And Realize There's Nowhere Left To Run.
    You Feel The Cold Take Hold, And Wonder If You'll See the Mother of All Bear Runs
    You Close Your Eyes, And Hope That This Is Just Imagination,
    But All The While, You Hear The GOP Pachydermata Creepin' Up Behind
    You're Out Of Time

    They're Out to Get You, There's Demons Closing In On Every Side.
    They Will Possess You, Unless You Change The Number On Your Skype.
    Now Is the Time for You and Your Trading Quants to huddle Close Together
    All Thru The Night, It'll Save You From The Terror On The Reuter Screen,
    It'll Make You See:

    (narrated by Vincent Price)
    Darkness Falls Across The Land, The Asian Trading Day Is Close At Hand.
    Bottom Feeders Crawl In Search Of Blood To Foreclose on Your Neighborhood
    And Whosoever Shall Be Found Without The Soul For Economic Bust
    Must Stand And Face The Hounds Of Subprime Hell, And Rot Inside WaMu's Bankrupt Shell.

    The Foulest Stench Is In The Air The Funk Of 700 Billion Bailout Bucks
    And Shortselling Ghouls From Every Trading Room Are Closing In To Seal Your Doom
    And Though You Fight To Stay Alive Your Net Worth Starts To Shiver
    For No Investing Mortal Can Resist The Evil Of The TARP Bailout Thriller

    'Cause this Is Thriller, TARP Bailout make or break Night
    and No-ones Gonna Save You from the Beast about to Strike.
    You Know its Thriller, TARP Bailout Thriller Night
    You're fighting for Your Monetary Life inside a Killer, Thriller.

    Thriller, TARP Bailout Thriller Night
    'Cause I can thrill you More Than Any Market Ghoul Could ever try. (Thriller, Bailout Night)
    So Let Me Hold You Tight And Share A Killer, Chiller, Fiscal Massacre
    Thriller Here Tonight.

    'Cause this Is Thriller ,TARP Bailout Thriller night
    It Will Thrill You More Than Any Ghoul Could ever dare try
    Any Ghoul could ever Dare Try

    (Daddy, can I be TARP for Halloween? No deary...its too scary! Be something funny
    like the McCain campaign )

    http://williambanzai7.blogspot.com/

  • Posted By: Holly Garfield @ 09/27/2008 9:55:52 PM

    So the financial 'geniuses' hired a bunch of inexperienced people with no financial background to come up with the CDS scheme. This sounds like the US Apollo moon program in the 1960s. A bunch of highly talented but inexperienced engineers and scientists worked on Project Apollo. At least project Apollo had a reason for no experience, since no one at all had experience. On the first moon landing the lunar lander touched down with 15 seconds of fuel left. The lander computer overloaded because the astronauts forgot to turn off a second radar. Neil Armstrong landed manually. When Buzz Armstrong put on his space suit he broke the handle on the circuit breaker that would turn on the rocket motor to return the lander to orbit. He didn't know that until they returned to the lander. The lander got off the moon only after Buzz pushed a ball point pen into the hole where the handle broke. And this was only one lunar landing. We did lose 3 astronauts in a ground test fire and almost lost Apollo 13. There were numerous other close calls. This is the lesson of using people with no experience, no matter how smart they are.

    These high priced 20 somethings didn't have the financial experience to think about why there are reserve requirements in the first place and the life experience to know that you should have insurance, but you should never rely on insurance. They didn't have the economic background to work through a downturn with CDSs in large volumes. They probably didn't work through the failure of insurance providers. They didn't have the financial savvy to work through what engineers call failure modes. What can go wrong, how do you indentify the problem and how do you fix it. Only expeirenced business people have the knowledge to see where the CDS could go in the hands of experienced business people.

    There is a saying in aviation that applies here: 'there are old pilots, there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.' Here we have a bold idea that would never become an old idea.

    Occasionally a true genius idea does come through and change the world for the better forever. Mostly, though, the 'genius idea' turns out to be a catastrophe. That's kind of like evolution. Most mutations are either harmless or total catastrophes. Only a few are actually for the better. This time the genius idea was a catastrophe and there was no testing before it was implemented on a massive scale.

  • Posted By: Tea6 @ 09/27/2008 8:41:19 PM

    If AIG went under, Goldman Sachs would have gone under. That is why Paulson used crony capitalism to rescue AIG at taxpayer expense.

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