The Monster That Ate Wall Street

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  • Posted By: tmtillett @ 09/28/2008 11:43:39 PM

    I am sorry that I don't have a Phd in finance, or experience on Wall Street. But I am an attorney who closed home mortgage loans for 25 years, and I believe you have missed the whole point. If I may simplify everything, AIG was an insurance company. Their business is to assess risk, and charge a premium for it, which will cover the assumed liabilities under the insurance contract and give them a return in excess of the money that they have to pay out. The question is, why did they (and all the other players on Wall Street) so radically miss the true risk of the securities they were insuring? Well, certainly, they didn't miss on loans to IBM, Wal-Mart and Ford; it was the mortgage backed securities issued predominantly by Fannie and Freddie that was the downfall. Now why would this be? Because Fannie and Freddie were implicitly guaranteed by the US government, and they were being pushed by the poiiticians to do so in order to make homeownership availabile to people who had never been able to afford a home before. This political trend started in the 1970's with Jimmy Carter and gained momentum in the 90's and the new millenium. And, although there were some who recongnized the problem and sounded the alarm at various times (Warren Buffet, Greenspan, Bush, McCain, et al), none could get enough attention (or muster the sustained political will) to oppose the "homes for everyone" demagoguery. And most of the demogoguery was enunciated by Chris Dodd, Chuck Shumer, Barnie Frank and the other democrats on capital hill, who, not uncoincidentally, received massive campaign contributions from Fannie and Freddie, and also the Wall Street firms who they are now giving billions to to fix the problem.

    The bottom line: just like the Great Depression, this was a government caused problem. Wall Street would have never gone to the excesses they did without the assurance they had from Wahsington and their paid for politicians.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 11:49:20 PM

      For history, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

  • Posted By: gonzo510 @ 09/28/2008 11:45:27 PM

    The root cause of all of this is K street lobbying and their dumping massive sums of money into both democratic and republican political war chests. Until we outlaw all corporate lobbying and enact strict campaign finance reform our representatives will serve corporate needs, not the peoples.

  • Posted By: lollymac @ 09/28/2008 10:56:36 PM

    Why do Senators Frank and Dodd get off scott free? Shouldn't they be held responsible to some degree since they are Banking Finance overseers in congress? Were they asleep at the wheel? Who''s minding the store, anyway???

    • Posted By: Who Knew @ 09/28/2008 11:43:23 PM

      Who is Senator Frank?

  • Posted By: tamra30 @ 09/28/2008 11:43:21 PM

    CHINA ANYONE? Paulson, US Treasury Sec. Former CEO of Goldman Sachs who negotiated that firm???s special access in CHINA; the official position of the US gov is that it does not seek disclosure of who owns what in investment funds and hedge funds that are buying US corporations and taking them private.Today, under this nondisclosure policy, CHINA COULD THEORETICALLY GAIN CONTROL of a significant portion of the companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and no US officials would know. Eamonn Fingleton, has written on East Asian economics, Selective enforcement, Fingleton says, is a not-so-subtle form of blackmail that is ever present. The problem is this: while the US thinks it is exporting America???s culture preferences for democracy and Capitalism to
    CHINA, the CHINESE are actually exporting to the US their Confucian values of authoritarian governance
    and selective enforcement. CHINA'S Pavlovian conditioning of US investment banks and equity funds ensures that those the CHINESE have chosen for special preference and access, such as G S, Bank of America, Blackstone, and Citigroup, are virtually guaranteed vast profits year after year. As of 2007, a former G S executives held key positions in the Bush admin, Josh Bolton-Chief of Staff, Henry Paulson- US Treasury Sec., Robert Zoellick- pres of the World Bank. former GS Chairman Robert Rubin, Sec of the US Treasury in the Clinton admin, now chairman of Citicorp???s exe. committee, is the leading economic adviser to the Demo Party, House Demo Major Leader Richard Gephardt is
    working at G S on public finance issues. They have the pulse of American gov and help
    shape what is happening in virtually all US based industries.They bring it all to CHINA. In 1977, the CIA prepared an analysis that the BEIJING gov. would follow its pattern of cultivating
    those with power inside the US and use them to influence US policies in CHINA'S favor
    For 30 yrs, BEIJING has developed relationships with highranking Americans from both the public and private sectors and through them influenced the CHINA policies of the US. They are former sec of state, Henry Kissinger, and Alexander Haig; former ambass to CHINA James Sasser, former national security advis, Brent Scrowcroft, Sandy Berger.CHINA hires few lobbyists in Wash. it relies on large trade asso., ie. Business Roundtable, the National Assoc of Manufacturers, the US C of C to do that work for them. Working through others, by shaping the policy positions of US business organizations, investment bankers, the media think tanks, and trade associations.The Chinese exert their influence w/o American people or Congress ever seeing who is actually behind their acts of political ventriloquism.
    http://www.insightusa.us/FayesFacts/FFsept24-08

  • Posted By: judithod @ 09/28/2008 11:33:54 PM

    Why is there no discussion of the Community Reinvestment Act (1977) that pushed Fannie and Freddie to aggresively lend to people who did not have the income levels or downpayments required by standard mortgages? And why is there no mention of the Treasury Department under Robert Rubin (1995) giving the banks new quotas for the level of "diversity" in their mortgage loan portfolios. The federal government was complicit in this financial meltdown.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 11:39:05 PM

      See posts by SKATINGARTIST @ 09/28/2008 10:28:12 PM and pearsoncrz @ 09/28/2008 10:27:15 PM

  • Posted By: MFK6 @ 09/28/2008 11:13:57 PM

    Maybe you should mention Senator Phil Gramm who sponsored and pushed through many of the deregulation bills that also allowed this administration to turn it's back on sanity.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 11:35:25 PM

      Okay, it was Sen. Phil Gramm who apparently called the Clinton regulations under the Community Reinvestment Act requireing banks to make loans without regard to "outdated" lending standards a vast extortion scheme against America???s banks. http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2QwNDhkZTg2OGYzZjkzM2E2NDEwM2U5OGVkNTc0YzU=

  • Posted By: cadillac4me @ 09/28/2008 8:32:40 PM

    The American people are not stupid! I have voted republican for the last 30 years and it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that it was a republican president and a republican congress who had full control of everything for six of the eight years leading up to this mess, I am not so naive as to buy into the rederick coming out of their mouths blaming a democratic congress that has only been in for less than two years.. My family and I have all switched our party affilliation to the democratic ticket this year. I would like to see a Democrat president and democrat congress to see how they would govern. I am sincerely disappointed and disillusioned with the republican party that Icontributed to for a long time. I think it's time to give the other party a chance now.

    • Posted By: tamra30 @ 09/28/2008 11:31:40 PM

      this is one of the problems, voting for a party and not the individual. Which is laziness, not doing any investigating, or questioning. If anyone thinks this started in the last eight years, please don't vote, you don't have a clue. this has been going on for over 30 years. isn't it ludicrious that you have to be in debt in order to get a credit rating? w/o a credit rating no loan, unless someone co-signs, who is in debt. If you can't pay for it with cash, don't get it!!! Simple

    • Posted By: cannonmama @ 09/28/2008 11:11:01 PM

      Interesting perspective. I have switched from the democratic party to the Republican party for the same reason. The dems are the ones that have propogated all this nonsense. You aren't looking back far enough to see where the problems originated. God help us all if we get a dem president backed by a dem congress. No one will be able to afford to live in this great US of A.

  • Posted By: georgem12 @ 09/28/2008 11:25:23 PM

    For those talking about McCain's campaign manager's connection to Fannie and Freddie, Obama is not innocent either. This argument is pointless. Let us not forget that Obama is No. 2 when it comes to the top 3 U.S. senators (all Democrats) who have received a lot of money from Fannie and Freddie.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 11:31:29 PM

      See list of Fannie and Freddie folks political contributions at bottom of page at http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

  • Posted By: rab015 @ 09/28/2008 7:06:34 PM

    It's too bad this isn't China...they would line up these Wall Street geniuses and shoot them.

    • Posted By: tamra30 @ 09/28/2008 11:21:26 PM

      Read this http://www.insightusa.us/FayesFacts/FFsept24-08

    • Posted By: tamra30 @ 09/28/2008 11:20:13 PM

      Paulson, US Treasury Sec. Former CEO of Goldman Sachs who negotiated that firm???s special access in CHINA; the official position of the US gov is that it does not seek disclosure of who owns what in investment funds and hedge funds that are buying US corporations and taking them private.Today, under this nondisclosure policy, CHINA COULD THEORETICALLY GAIN CONTROL of a significant portion of the companies listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and no US officials would know. Eamonn Fingleton, has written on East Asian economics, Selective enforcement, Fingleton says, is a not-so-subtle form of blackmail that is ever present. The problem is this: while the US thinks it is exporting America???s culture preferences for democracy and Capitalism to
      CHINA, the CHINESE are actually exporting to the US their Confucian values of authoritarian governance
      and selective enforcement. CHINA'S Pavlovian conditioning of US investment banks and equity funds ensures that those the CHINESE have chosen for special preference and access, such as G S, Bank of America, Blackstone, and Citigroup, are virtually guaranteed vast profits year after year. As of 2007, a former G S executives held key positions in the Bush admin, Josh Bolton-Chief of Staff, Henry Paulson- US Treasury Sec., Robert Zoellick- pres of the World Bank. former GS Chairman Robert Rubin, Sec of the US Treasury in the Clinton admin, now chairman of Citicorp???s exe. committee, is the leading economic adviser to the Demo Party, House Demo Major Leader Richard Gephardt is
      working at G S on public finance issues. They have the pulse of American gov and help
      shape what is happening in virtually all US based industries.They bring it all to CHINA. In 1977, the CIA prepared an analysis that the BEIJING gov. would follow its pattern of cultivating
      those with power inside the US and use them to influence US policies in CHINA'S favor
      For 30 yrs, BEIJING has developed relationships with highranking Americans from both the public and private sectors and through them influenced the CHINA policies of the US. They are former sec of state, Henry Kissinger, and Alexander Haig; former ambass to CHINA James Sasser, former national security advis, Brent Scrowcroft, Sandy Berger.CHINA hires few lobbyists in Wash. it relies on large trade asso., ie. Business Roundtable, the National Assoc of Manufacturers, the US C of C to do that work for them. Working through others, by shaping the policy positions of US business organizations, investment bankers, the media think tanks, and trade associations.The Chinese exert their influence w/o American people or Congress ever seeing who is actually behind their acts of political ventriloquism.

  • Posted By: Bill445 @ 09/28/2008 11:19:59 PM

    You are so right Nick, Vote every incumbent out. Listening to Dodd earlier, he's pointing finger at Bush Asmin... you gotta be kiddin...what committee does he chair?? He needs a whippin.

  • Posted By: BAMagnus @ 09/28/2008 11:19:41 PM

    Wall Street is of now interest to us on Pleasant Street wondering where the money will come from to pay for heating oil this winter at 4.00 a gallon. We are being held hostage by two gangsters named Pelosi and Reid. C'mon lets stop playing party politics and start thinking of the people.

  • Posted By: MFK6 @ 09/28/2008 11:16:48 PM

    It might be a good move to disallow campaign contributions from any entity that is involved when a Senator or Congressman sits on a committee.......in other words, screw the lobbyists and stop allowing them to run our government.

  • Posted By: BAMagnus @ 09/28/2008 11:16:23 PM

    My concerns are not Wall Street, mine are Pleasant Street, Houlton,Maine where a gallon of heating oil is $ 4.00 and the winter is upon us. Idiots like Pelosi and Reed need new jobsm working for peanuts in small northern towns where they can also worry how they are going to keep their houses and families warm in the next oncoming months. Get rid of them, get someone in that cares.

  • Posted By: tonyabw31 @ 09/28/2008 11:15:50 PM

    It just goes to show how we The People need to be more mindful of who we elect and what they are doing. We are the watch dogs and if we fall asleep the burglars get in and rape and pillage everything we've fought so hard to keep safe and secure. This is happening at monumental levels now and more frequently than ever. Unless we embrace a revolutionary change in how we allow our government to work, this is not going to stop. It will get worse until the entire country implodes.

  • Posted By: timrogers @ 09/28/2008 11:11:37 PM

    The monster was friendly until it was not. The great innovation was brilliant until it was not. Now the Government, which has always shown extreme wisdom in financial transactions, will umpire the virtual game of derivatives as if the game is still reality based. Who was that dumbass who said capitalism will destroy itself? I want to but him a drink.

  • Posted By: moejoe @ 09/28/2008 11:01:51 PM

    Forcing the mortgage companies to give loans to people?? These subprime loans were aggresively sold to people -- there was no "forcing". How about McCain's financial advisor, Phil Gramm, who was actually instrumental in pushing through deregulation that caused this mess. And how about McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, who was payed 2 million by Fannie and Freddie from 2000 to 2005 to lobby for deregulation. Blaming this on Democrats is ridiculous.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 11:09:27 PM

      The Clinton regulations under the Neghborhood Reinvestment Act required Banks to "prove" the were not redlining by making these loans. If the didn't, the regulators would make other aspects of their business more difficult. see: http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

      http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2QwNDhkZTg2OGYzZjkzM2E2NDEwM2U5OGVkNTc0YzU=

  • Posted By: nick @ 09/28/2008 10:58:32 PM

    I am not interested in who did what to whom when. We need to take the country back. We need to enter the voting booth on election day and vote every incumbent out of office. We need to tell these two major parties that we are not going to take this anymore.

  • Posted By: nick @ 09/28/2008 10:56:26 PM

    We need to send a message that we are not tolerating the fighting of the two major political parties blaming each other. We need to go into the voting booth on election day and vote every incumbent out of office.
    We need to tell the two major political parties that they have to do what is right for us and not them.

  • Posted By: southerngal01 @ 09/28/2008 10:46:35 PM

    Skatingartist: You are absolutely correct; however it wasn't just "giving poorer people in this country affordable houseing" it was forcing the mortgage companies to give loans to people who any person with a little financial sense would know could not pay it back (for example; if a person makes $50,000 a year then he/she cannot buy a house at $150,000 and ever expect to make the payments on it). Unfortuneately the Democrats of the Clinton years made sure that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would do just this by forcing them to take on a certain number of these mortgages. Also I find it interesting that I haven't heard the "mainstream" media point out just who Obama's financial advisors are, where they used to work, and how much money they made workign there. HUM, MAYBE NEWSWEEK SHOULD BREAK THAT STORY, BUT I FEEL THEY WON'T BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH TO EXPOSE THE "MAINSTREAM" MEDIAS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 10:52:10 PM

      See the history at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

      Fannie and Freddie contribution list at http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

  • Posted By: SKATINGARTIST @ 09/28/2008 10:28:12 PM

    YES, PART OF THIS STORY IS TRUE, BUT YOU LEFT OUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS STORY. THE DEMOCRATS FORCED THE BANKS AND MORTGAGE BUSINESS TO GIVE THE POORER PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FANNIE AND FREDDIE MACS WITH BARNEY FRANK AND THE COOKING OF THE BOOKS AT THESE INSTITUTIONS WAS THE MAIN REASON FOR THE BALL ROLLING. BARNEY FRANK IN THE LATE'90'S SAID NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH FREDDIE AND FANNIE BUT IN '96 THE CEO OF FANNIE WAS FIRED FOR MISSHANDLING THE BUSINESS. AND OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T MENTION HOW ALOT OF DEMOCRATS GOT DEALS WITH HOUSES SOME IDIOT REPUBLICANS GOT MONEY INCLUDING BARACK OBAMA WHO GOT MORE THEN $120,000. MCCAIN RECIEVED ABOUT 25,000. THESE INSTITUTIONS WERE THE KICK BACK OPERATION FOR THE DEMS MAINLY. AND THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF.

    • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/28/2008 10:50:37 PM

      See the history at
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

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