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  • Posted By: Surf Ski @ 09/29/2008 8:59:25 AM

    I generally take Mr Will???s comments as gospel, and I do in this case also, so I will hid my face and change my voice when I vote early ??? again ??? this election season. Having two children under 10 years of age and a job that takes seventy hours a week of my time, early voting is just, well, easier, and I do not need more complication in my life. BUT, a different issue, to truly bring the population together in a collective explosion of civic pride and duty, let us COMBINE Election Day with Tax Payment Day and let us see what kind of nation we will forge then. Surf.

  • Posted By: brandon102 @ 09/29/2008 8:38:56 AM

    Once again George Will, from his high perch superior to the rest of the human race, "anachronistically" puts forth his nonesense. Change is here, George. It's obvious you hate any kind of change; you must wake up every morning and say "Why can't things be like they always were?" but life in 2008 is just different than the 1950's, which is apparently the last time you encountered reality, and "virtual voting" is a necessary change that reflects changing patterns in the electorate. But of course you're right: things used to be better and the only reason they changed is because those inferior to you came up with a bad idea and put it into action. One more thing to look down your nose about.

  • Posted By: mnjam @ 09/29/2008 8:21:56 AM

    The slothful argument doesn't really hold up. It probably takes more effort to obtain, complete and return a ballot by mail then to wander over to the local polling station.

  • Posted By: KennyF @ 09/29/2008 8:02:02 AM

    The trouble is that Will's decrying of absentee balloting is transparently partisan. He is afraid that absentee ballots will be mainly Democratic and will favor Obama. Adding to this bias is is ingrained attitude (a mirror image of the Democrats) is that some people are too ignorant, misinformed and selfish to be trusted with the vote. I call this self-serving view an example of Republican Royalism. He secretly believes that if you take out the ignorant voters, the voter frauds and those "problematic" absentee ballots the majority of the remaining voters would vote GOP. Funny, he wasn't so opposed to absentee voters in 2000, when the Republicans were bundling absentee ZRepublican votes form overseas enlisted men for Bush.

  • Posted By: Joseph Calling @ 09/28/2008 11:06:55 PM

    I oppose early voting except for genuine absentees not only because of the greater potential for fraud, deliberately perpetrated by "community organizer" groups like ACORN, but also because if people can't bother to make arrangements to get to the polls, knowing fully two to four years in advance that there is going to be an election, they are probably also so ill-informed that they will likely cancel out my vote. I would prefer that voting be made more difficult, not easier, by bringing back reasonable literacy tests or some other method to winnow out those who know only enough to vote for the candidate most likely to give them more and more handouts.

    • Posted By: centralncman @ 09/29/2008 7:51:50 AM

      yes; It has always bothered me that I consider who I vote for very carefully waying both pros and cons and now someone on a whim can either support or cancel my vote. This procedure explains even more of the need for negative, half truth campaining. However ; I do feel that absentee voting is appropriate in certain situations.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 11:40:39 PM

      Ah, Joseph, just wait until you are a little older, a little frailer and have to face the prospect of standing in a line for two hours or more, often in the elements (sun in Florida, ice and snow in Iowa) just to cast your ballot. I bet you change your opinion about early voting then..

  • Posted By: taizhu @ 09/29/2008 7:46:01 AM

    Why did I start voting by mail? One word...Diebold.

    Perhaps as a rich, white male Mr. Will has never had to worry about his vote not being counted. And perhaps, living in California I am over reacting. But look at the elections of 2000 and 2004. Voters have the option of either facing the black box with no paper trail or long lines and damaged machines (if you're poor, black or hispanic). I'd rather make sure my vote is counted.

  • Posted By: taizhu @ 09/29/2008 7:45:24 AM

    Why did I start voting by mail? One word...Diebold.

    Perhaps as a rich, white male Mr. Will has never had to worry about his vote not being counted. And perhaps, living in California I am overreacting. But look at the elections of 2000 and 2004. Voters have the option of either facing the black box with no paper trail or long lines and damaged machines (if you're poor, black or hispanic). I'd rather make sure my vote is counted.

  • Posted By: smcuvs @ 09/29/2008 5:49:45 AM

    As an Oregonian, let me explain how our system really works. We will receive our ballots sometime next week along with our voting pamphlets. That does not mean that I will immediately fill out my ballot and mail it back the same day. I, like many Oregonians, fill out and mail our ballots usually a week before "election day". I know this for a fact because the local news stations always reports on the "surge" of ballots arriving at the various election centers starting around Halloween--3 or 4 days before the actual election day.
    An absentee ballot is used by someone who for whatever reason wants to vote early. In Oregon, there are no absentee ballots. We just get them early and vote at our leisure--by mail. Because of this system, Oregon has over an 80% voting rate--highest in the nation.

  • Posted By: DogBitez @ 09/29/2008 4:50:10 AM

    Wow, George, that's one of the ugliest articles I've read in a long time. Why do people need mail-in ballots? Obviously for reasons that are so far from your reality, you just can't imagine them. Would you like to walk through a gang-infested neighborhood to your polling location? Would you like to try to squeeze in a trip to the polling spot in the tiny window you have between your two jobs... pretty much forfeiting any sleep or dinner? How about taking all of your small children with you while you try to vote -- you'd be lucky to get thru the first contest on the ballot. How about that hip replacement you just got? Feel like standing in line? You know, there are just too many reasons to list. Your ignorance or understanding of anyone else's plight disgusts me.

  • Posted By: craigbrewer @ 09/29/2008 3:53:15 AM

    Your "fuzzy" intelectualism apparently doesn't allow clear thinking. Get a new life as a shoe salesman where there is a challenge to be met every 10 minutes. At least a shoe salesman can analyze and reccomend a product that fits the consumer. craigbrewer

  • Posted By: designatge @ 09/29/2008 3:34:27 AM

    Other than disclosure of McCain's medical records, I see no reason why every informed citizen shouldn't have their choice made by now. This is not a problem for me as I cannot understand how on earth how 50% of the electorate could possibly opt for perpetuating the Republican for another election year not to mention McCain's odd behavior and filter of world events through such an aggressive prism of military action.

    As for the sense of community I think this is a bit silly. It is not as if Jimmy Buffett is running for President.

    McCain has behaved so erratically, made so much more so by the support of Lieberman, I hope the two of them are looking for a nice fishing lodge where they can spend time together at the end of their current terms.

    My Dad had the uncanny ability of originality of thought when it came to politics. Before he died of cancer, G_d rest his soul, he downloaded and read the actual Balfour Declaration. In a similar way, I look to you George for opinions that are not regurgitated compilations of other pundits and the injection of historical perspective.

    I think Rumpelstiltskin could phone in his vote this round given the length of the season.

  • Posted By: designatge @ 09/29/2008 3:33:45 AM

    If you don't know who you are voting for by now you must be totally unengaged politically. Perhaps if you you are planning to vote for McCain you would want to see his medical history but who are these 50% that plan to repeat the horrific mistake made reelecting Republicans? If there was ever a year in which early decision is a slam dunk this is it. As for the feeling of community I will wait for Jimmy Buffett to run for office. George, I have the utmost respect for your opinion and you bring truly unique views rooted in history but these comments are a bit silly. This article sounds more like Andy Rooney than George Will.

  • Posted By: designatge @ 09/29/2008 3:08:50 AM

    If you don't know who you are voting for by now you must be totally unengaged politically. Perhaps if you you are planning to vote for McCain you would want to see his medical history but who are these 50% that plan to repeat the horrific mistake made reelecting Republicans? If there was ever a year in which early decision is a slam dunk this is it. As for the feeling of community I will wait for Jimmy Buffett to run for office. George, I have the utmost respect for your opinion and you bring truly unique views rooted in history but these comments are a bit silly. This article sounds more like Andy Rooney than George Will.

  • Posted By: kchitti @ 09/29/2008 12:24:14 AM

    It's great to be nostalgic for the good old days when Aunt Bee would bring a pie down to the country fair, set up next to the voting booth. Times are different now. Traffic, work, eternal lines at the polling places, confusion over districts, valid ID (2 or 3 this time?). Time marches forward, not backwards. Soon we will vote via the Internet. Get a grip Will. Love your columns, btw.

  • Posted By: GreggersMD @ 09/28/2008 2:24:35 PM

    "But surely the quality of the electoral turnout declines when the quantity is increased by 'convenience voting.'" Are you kidding me? Did you really say that? You conservatives are disgusting. God forbid we have we make it easier for the plebeians to vote and decrease the "quality" of our elections.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 11:16:37 PM

      I think George would favor the return of property requirements and a literacy test to vote. That's why his recent mocking of John McCain and Sarah Palin is all the more remarkable.

  • Posted By: glaugh @ 09/28/2008 11:15:05 PM

    Oh for crying out loud, George! Do you honestly think the only reason people vote absentee is because they are lazy? Get realistic! My late grandmother voted for years with an absentee ballot before she passed away because she was unable to get to the polls on her own, but wouldn't think of NOT voting, after working so hard toward the passage of the 19th amendment. This year, my husband knows he'll be out of the country on election day, but he wouldn't deram of not voting in such an important election. There are reasons for the absentee ballot, you see!

  • Posted By: federale @ 09/28/2008 2:32:48 PM

    Folks who early-vote and then die before the election will still have their votes counted. Does anyone out there have a problem with this?

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 11:13:47 PM

      Actually, in most states, these votes are discounted. The way it works (at least in some states) is that the Department of Health (or Vital Statistic or whichever keeps this informaiton) forwards to the election commission a list of people in the juristiction who have died between the start of early voting and election day. The election commission discards votes of anyone who is deceased without opening it. Of course, if someone did not die in the jurisdiction, their death could go unreported, but I can't imagine that there are a lot of those cases.

    • Posted By: mothlights @ 09/28/2008 5:08:46 PM

      No, because folks who vote on election day could die before the inaugural ceremony in January when the person they voted for is sworn in.

    • Posted By: steve1128 @ 09/28/2008 3:06:54 PM

      No

  • Posted By: gcb500 @ 09/28/2008 3:00:18 PM

    I'm a liberal Democrat, but George is right. I've never understood the virtue of encouraging people to vote. If they require encouragement, then they really don't care, and if they don't care, they probably shouldn't vote.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 11:08:10 PM

      There is a basic difference, however, between encouraging people to vote and making it possible for people to vote.

  • Posted By: KMar20009 @ 09/28/2008 3:00:20 PM

    I too have problems with early voting, The biggest one I see, at least for presidential elections, is that they are forbidden by the constitution. Article II, Sect 1 says: "The Congress may determine the time of chusing of the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes: which day shall be the same throughout the United States. " Am I reading something totally different than everyone else? If I read this correctly, it would be possible for one party or the other to challenge all early ballots as unconstitutional. This might happen if say, a major event such as 9/11 or a major disclosure about the opposition candidate occured shortly before the official election day. Such a scenario would make Florida in 2000 seem like child's play. And incidentally, it concerns me as well that in such an instance, so many voters would have cast their ballots based on different information than those on election day. Suppose jurors were allowed to cast their vote at any time during the trial and go home, without having heard all the evidence? How long do you suppose a situation like that would be tolerated?

    • Posted By: Workin' Patriot @ 09/28/2008 3:25:28 PM

      I THINK THIS APPLIES TO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

      • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 11:07:04 PM

        Yes, the true "election day" in the United States is the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December when Electors chosen by their states gather in the their state capitals to cast their votes -- the ones that actually decide who will be president.. These votes are counted on Jan. 3 -- or the first business day after Jan, 3 if that day falls on a weekend -- in the Senate and the winner is there declared.

      • Posted By: KMar20009 @ 09/28/2008 3:49:07 PM

        You are absolutely correct. That is what we elect on November 4th. And to repeat my earlier post "Which day shall be the same throughout the United States."

        • Posted By: mothlights @ 09/28/2008 4:54:47 PM

          I think what working patriot is trying to tell you is that the day on which the ELECTORS give their votes must be the same. Electors are not the same as us voters. Congress chooses the time when we vote, but it is only the electors we choose for the Electoral College who must make cast their ballots "on the same day throughout the US." Hope that helps.

  • Posted By: bijoudavies @ 09/28/2008 11:05:18 PM

    Talk about elitist!! Just because a mother of three young children can't possibly stand in line for hours to cast her vote - not only got president but for at list 10 other positions as well as over 20 statewide ballot issues and numerous local issues - does not mean I must be one of those that can't pull themselves off a couch to cast a vote or somehow infer that I don't have the intelligence to cast a thoughtful vote. It is estimated that it will take every voter in CO over 15 minutes to complete a ballot. The consequence - massively long waits on election day. Thank goodness for early voting!!

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