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  • Posted By: ludvig @ 09/28/2008 9:55:44 PM

    Third, if voting according to unchanging principles, why wait to vote. This election we have a choice between a novice socialist statist politician with little grasp of economics and an honorably war-scarred statist legislator/politician with mercantilist appendages and little grasp of economics. If Obama really thinks socialism works, then he's a well-educated idiot. If Obama does not think socialism works yet espouses it inorder to get elected, then he's a threat. The country might recover from the silliness of mercantilism much easier than from the illogic of socialism, making McCain the lesser of two evils.

  • Posted By: carolo @ 09/28/2008 9:46:46 PM

    I can understand early voting in some cases. People going out of town, possibly moving that day, a hospital stay or a few other issues. But voting this early is too soon and especially before the first debate. Ohio has already messed up thousands of early votes and has to redo them. I can see 2 weeks before election night but not 6 weeks.

  • Posted By: ludvig @ 09/28/2008 9:41:06 PM

    Second, our transformed democracy is reaping the harvest from ill-advised extension of the franchise. Let radical egalitarians gasp as they will at the assertion that our polity would enjoy greater health were voters not only "filtered" for theri commitment to the democratic process but actually 1)currently productive citizens, and 2)literate and informed about their civic duties. What would be wrong with limiting the privilege of suffrage to only those who actually paid net taxes in the most recent year? Would not the public be served if all votersx had to pass the same test as those hoping to become naturalized citizens?

  • Posted By: ludvig @ 09/28/2008 9:35:25 PM

    First, let us shed notions of a civic secular religion deifying Mankind, Our Nation, or Democracy, none of which deserve reveence even as we hold for them affection. All are imperfect as the mere men who constitute or proposed them. "Civic liturgy"-- really.

  • Posted By: z4t4 @ 09/28/2008 8:51:27 PM

    Perhaps a new mind set could be used here. Many as one poster here pointed out, don't have polling in their neighborhoods. Many too, may not be able to get to the polls for one reason or another. So how bout this approach. Being the two major parties are always "somewhere" near such towns that don' have them or people who can't get there...Perhaps the money in the GOP & Democratic party could be used to reach these people with "on the spot registration and if needed - their vote too. This can be done very easy. To finance this plan: Each Party gets "funds" we know that. A portion of these funds could be used to purchase the same inventory "boxes" that we see store clerks with all the time. Volunteers or a few paid people from each party can got to these towns for a day or two. Or knock on doors - Instantly register AND person can cast their vote. Like a credit card "box" the machine spits out a receipt like those returning rental cars at the airport...The Box is brought back and connected via USB port to whatever machine they have to record the vote for record and casting. If the Polling places have older equipment - No Problem - Just hit send and the votes are tallied for each candidate and WAL-LA...That???s it. Why have the candidates use the "Party Money" only for TV ads and stuff when the very people they want to vote for them can't get there? Seems to me this would work....In fact this little box can record any party and candidate too...

  • Posted By: jpmcad @ 09/28/2008 8:23:03 PM

    Some of these folks you conclude are "slothful" and "probably barely informed" without any evidence are elderly or disabled. Surely you and your editors could have spared a caveat for them? Or was your omission mere sloth?

  • Posted By: IreneinMass @ 09/28/2008 7:46:32 PM

    We don't all live in cities or have drivers Mr Will. My precinct is a 7 mile walk. I don't drive. We don't have taxis out here. Maybe on a summer day I could make the walk with my cane. But not in November here. I have a kind hearted neice who comes out every other week or so to run errands with me. Voting is important to all of us. I vote early by mail so that on Nov 4 my neice only has to worry about getting her immediate family members to the polls. I've known about Sen McCain for the past twenty years. I've been watching Sen Obama for almost two years now. If anyone on earth was going to find out stuff about Obama, it would have been the Clintons. After McCain and Obama made their picks for VP, my mind was made up. Your column was wrong on so many levels it's hard to figure the best order for them all, except that suggesting that early voters are both lazy and impulsive probably tops the list.
    The best way to insure full participation from voters is to have as many safe options as your citizenry needs. So people in rural areas or people who are handicapped, or just working schedules that make it hardto be in one place between certain hours on a single day, need options like early voting.
    You really need to get out more.

  • Posted By: alchemy53 @ 09/28/2008 7:38:04 PM

    In my state early voting DOES entail going to a centralized polling place instead of a local precinct to vote. In my experience, those who bother to vote early are the most informed, not the least. Unlike you George, most folks are working long hours and often more than one job to get by these days. These are not slothful people. Early voting offers them a viable way to exercise good citizenship.

    You really need to get out of your insular D.C. cocoon more often. You really haven't a clue and this column really doesn't have much of a point to make.

  • Posted By: IreneinMass @ 09/28/2008 7:34:45 PM

    I live 7 miles from the nearest polling place. I do not drive. I walk with a cane. I might be able to do 14 miles (there and back) on a warm summer day. But November? Not where I live. Not any longer. Once every two weeks a kind hearted neice swings by my place (a 40 mile drive for her) to take me for errands. I consider voting my number one responsibility but on Nov 4 I want my neice to make sure she and her family get to th3 polls so I'm voting early.
    Shame on you for writing this judgemental twaddle without even considering all the possible reasons early voting is so important for all citizens.
    We don't all live in cities, Mr Will and we don't all have drivers.

  • Posted By: cougar1 @ 09/28/2008 7:31:36 PM

    Now former House speaker Newt Ginrich is criticizing the effort to save the American economy from the quagmire that his, President Bush and Senator McCain???s support of International Corporatism has placed America. These International corporatists, much like their cousins International Communists have sought to have all of the wealth and resources of the world controlled by international cartels. They have viewed the role of the US government instead of providing for the general welfare of the country to be to provide for the feed and caring of these corporate cartels. Their goal is the complete destruction of the middle class in this country. They want international low cost workers where these cartels will have the same cheap labor through out the world, no worker nor environmental protection and minimal worker benefits, if any. In the case and point of the United States, their goal is to see no difference between the Mexican and the American worker. They don???t believe in maintaining any infrastructure, hence their demagoguery of any infrastructure expenditures as pork barrel spending. They believe the American worker should be kept uneducated, hence are grandchildren and great grandchildren are now less educated by the public schools than we were. That some of these corporatists, such as presidential candidate McCain want to label themselves as populists is laughable. You look into the eyes of Senator McCain and you see the soul of Comrade Nikita Khrushchev. At the next debate, don???t be surprised if the reckless, irresponsible, and uncontrollable John McCain starts banging his shoe on the podium. And as Mr. Will makes clear they are opposed to democratic elections.

  • Posted By: mothlights @ 09/28/2008 5:05:55 PM

    I don't agree. I don't think you can assume that many people who use early voting are apathetic. Having voting available on one weekday can make it very difficult. (Weekend voting like many other countries have would be a major improvement.) My disabled father was very politically active, but absentee voting was easier for him. Lastly, in my experience, people who really don't care or don't think voting makes a difference don't vote. Either by paper or by going to the polls.



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    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 6:53:03 PM

      My mom was a political junkie who spent her last bedridden years watching C-Span, Court TV, CNN and MSNBC non-stop. She knew everthing that was going on and she knew everyone's opinion on it, One of the last "outings" I took her on was to vote in the 2004 election. We're in Florida and it allows early voting. We went to the library on a day and time when it wasn't busy, so that she would not have to wait. She took more than half an hour to mark her ballot because she read slowly and she had to steady her hand. She read every word of all the small print amendments on the ballot --- even though she had read them and decided how she would vote beforehand -- because she didn't want anyone sneaking in some different language at the last minute. She was as informed a voter as any in this country -- but she would have had great difficulty getting to the polls and casting a vote if she had been held to a 12-hour period on a single day. There are others who simply cannot guarantee that they will be available on a given day -- espcially when voting requires standing in line for an hour or more. Working moms dashing from job, to day care, to scout meetings (or a second job). Students who work in the day and take classes at night -- or vise-versa. Middle managers and executive who often work 10 or 12 hour days, as well as nurses and others who routinely work 12 hour shifts. I'm sure I've only scratched the surface. When I started voting, a lot of employers allowed employees two or three hours of paid leave to vote. I doubt that happens much any more. Until employers consider it a civic responsibility to ensure that employees have time to vote, I have to favor early voting rules. It's the only fair way to ensure everyone has access to the polls.

  • Posted By: Thomas Klaber @ 09/28/2008 6:47:14 PM

    I usually find myself in agreement with you,but one thing you said here trouble me. You say that early voters are less likely to be swayed by events late in an election season. What exactly do you mean? Should we wait for the October suprise? I have to say, given recent events, that there is no rabbit that the Bush administation or the GOP could possibly produce that would change my mind.

  • Posted By: Chris_Gunter @ 09/28/2008 4:23:12 PM

    Perhaps it would be a good idea to curb early voting and have election day declared a national holiday. At least every four years when the presidential election rolls around.

    • Posted By: Mimi13 @ 09/28/2008 6:38:21 PM

      Surveys of democracies around the world have shown countries that have a national voting holiday have the highest voter turnout.

  • Posted By: zjemi @ 09/27/2008 2:59:28 PM

    To be well run in many cases, one must be well funded. Understaffing is the problem of most voting centers.
    Of course they know that the voter turnout is going to be large, but they don't have the means to hire and train people to handle it. Good grief, is a seasoned political analyst really so unaware of what happens when taxes don't cover costs?

    • Posted By: Catdancer @ 09/28/2008 6:11:22 PM

      I live in New York State and have worked as a poll worker. This year they are having trouble finding enough people willing/able to work 16 hours on election day and may have to combine polling stations, making locations less convenient and lines longer. I never have felt any sense of "community" while voting or even while working at the polls. It's not as if we all show up at the same time and vote by a show of hands.

      I can no longer (for health reasons) work 16-hour days but would gladly work shorter shifts if that were allowed. I believe that breaking up the day into shifts rather than having such a long day would result in more people able to work on election day and greater efficiency. But the Oregon system makes much MORE sense. No lines, no exhausted poll workers maybe making mistakes at 9:30 pm after being on the job since 5:30 am, and no chance for last-minute disenfranchisement because a person has moved in the days just before the election. Bring on all-mail elections nationwide -- it's better for everyone.

  • Posted By: Kuni_Leml @ 09/28/2008 4:14:31 PM

    Yes; isn???t it horrible that informed people can cast their votes before they get the opportunity to be exposed to the never ending lies from the Right in the final weeks of the campaigning.

    Lies like the ones that claim Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac had something to do with the financial crisis when Fannie & Freddie never originated a single sub prime loan. When Fannie & Freddie never rated the mortgage securities that the originators sold as AAA investments; the list goes on.

  • Posted By: Kuni_Leml @ 09/28/2008 4:12:45 PM

    Yes; it's horrible that informed people cast their votes before they get the opportunity to be exposed to the never ending lies from the Right in the final weeks of the campaigning.

    Lies like the ones that claim Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac had something to do with the financial crisis when Fannie & Freddie never originated a single sub prime loan. When Fannie & Freddie never rated the mortgage securities that the originators sold as AAA investments; the list goes on.

  • Posted By: Tennessee @ 09/28/2008 4:08:09 PM

    I too prefer to vote on election day, but I am able to. Should my circumstances be different, I would appeciate the ability to do so early. I am, however, considering applying for abenstee next time to assure a paper trail. Honest elections can still have mistakes and can be honestly and legally be challenged which would require a paper trail for an honest recount.
    Mr. Will, from reading these posts, I believe you have to admit that you have been handed your head!

  • Posted By: PhilipHarway @ 09/28/2008 3:32:19 PM

    What George Will and many others fail to take into consideration is the difficulty that many face in voting solely between certain hours of just one day. Until we can all vote on line, why not extend the voting period to allow for a full week-end or even three or four days? That way, everyone can find the time to go vote. After a few election cycles of an extended voting period, our citizens will vote in increasing numbers

  • Posted By: KMar20009 @ 09/28/2008 3:25:08 PM

    to KAckermann: If you are truly using such a trivial reason for voting for Obama, and you would not care about him shootin children from a rooftop, I would dare to speak not only for myself but for Senator Obama as well. Keep your vote. You are not qualified to give it. And I am a diehard Obama supporter by the way.

    • Posted By: Harvybing @ 09/28/2008 3:30:52 PM

      FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON BLAMES CORRUPT DEMOCRATS FOR FANNIE MAE MELTDOWN

      President Clinton told ABC News That the blame for the Fannie Mae Meltdown Lies squarely at the feet of Corrupt DEMOCRATS who blocked efforts to regulate and investigate Fannie Mae. You have to admire his honesty, candor, and political courage-

      Watch The Jim Angle Report It Links To The Clinton Interview--
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHj8-HSi5AA&eurl=

      Watch The ABC / Clinton Interview On ABC News ---
      http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html


      But If You REALLY Want To Know How We Got Into This Mess In The First Place, Watch This Video And Pass It Along:
      http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMouthPeace

      Hear Barney Frank On Video "There Is No Crisis At Fannie Mae"
      http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194210.php

      The New York Post Agrees -- http://www.nypost.com/seven/09242008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/house_of_cards_130479.htm?&page=1



      There are former CEOs of Fannie Mae, Interim and assistant CEOs, Four US Senators and at least two members of the US House of Representatives who should GO TO JAIL for BRIBING members of Congress to block investigations of Fannie Mae Abuses.

  • Posted By: WCBrann @ 09/28/2008 12:49:25 PM

    "A little bit of effort".

    So, what if you are unable to stand beyond 5 minutes comfortably?

    What about the unknown of freezing rain or inclement weather that could hurt an older person?

    Early voting allows them to pick a time when they are physically able to vote.

    • Posted By: acoughlin @ 09/28/2008 2:51:18 PM

      WCBrann, what I said, in full, was "a little bit of effort by *able-bodied* voters..." If you are unable to stand beyond 5 minutes comfortably or do not feel able to go out in inclement weather, or have a compromised immune system, then I certainly don't consider you able-bodied. Please do plan ahead, and vote absentee. That's one of the reasons we have absentee voting, which is also available to college students, the military, etc. In fact, practically any reason is reason enough under most state laws to vote absentee. I have no problem with that. I was simply expressing, as an aside, and as a resident of a state with 100% vote-by-mail, how much I miss the "civic event" aspect of voting. In the grand scheme of things, I think it was a pretty beneign comment.

      In any case I officially give up on these post-article blogs. This is my last one. Every time I try to simply post a respectful opinion, without sarcasm, anger or hyperbole, someone finds something to attack, or takes my words -- however brief -- out of context. At least, WCBrann, you didn't use any foul language or resort to name-calling, which I have also been subjected to; I thank you for that. However, in the future, I'll find a different way to express my right to free speech.

      • Posted By: Workin' Patriot @ 09/28/2008 3:15:33 PM

        Come on,hang in there! A little criticism and differences never hurts!

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