'Russia Should Follow Georgia's Lead'

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  • Posted By: bandito @ 09/30/2008 12:09:12 AM

    Hey DAVID77!
    Russia is a comunist country?! U shure?! U live there?! U know all about this country?! Do u know, what is this mean: comunism?!?
    Understand, rather uneducated person can tell such bosh only....
    Hey, david, u say that the Russia always try to manipulait whith the gas and oil....really?!?! Or u forgot how the Ukraine stole the Russian gas?! Or you consider, that the transition to the all-European prices to gas, concerning Ukraine, is blackmail?!Where is the fackts of manipulaiting?!??
    For the inquiry: David, Georgia is not only the state =) It is also the country on caucasus =)

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 5:37:57 PM

      If I were in Gazprom, I not only would have shut off the gas to stop the theft, I'd have gone to get the people who stole it. Russia was very nice to the Ukraine. The fact that the gas was stolen did not make the news over here very well either, just like Misha's little rocket show.
      Because of things done ages ago, people have opinions that are played upon today. I am sorry for this. It does neither of us any good.

  • Posted By: poirot @ 09/30/2008 10:19:25 AM

    Saakshvili suffers with some kind of nationalistic mania grandiose. He is as dubious as Gamsakhurdia, that had declared a Georgia for the Georgians slogan. Saakashvili just talks more often and lies much more.
    The problem is that for 17 years the Georgians are electing or choosing leaders following the nationalistic track. You just can not become a politician in Georgia, if you are not a Georgian fascist. This logic is always leading to bloody nationalistic wars, and aggression.

  • Posted By: marishka @ 09/30/2008 10:14:50 AM

    I am already lost by the ammound of confronting statements from Saakashvili, one time he says that he didn't expect Russians to react on georgian military coming to Osetia, another that Russians came to Osetia and he had to react, third that Russians were planning all operation and he worned about it, another that they took him by surprised...and so on, Mr. Saakashvili, could you take one "truth" and stick to it for more then 2 weeks?


    here is interesting article about "democrat" of Georgia
    www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net.

  • Posted By: marishka @ 09/30/2008 10:13:47 AM

    I am already lost by the ammound of confronting statements from Saakashvili, one time he says that he didn't expect Russians to react on georgian military coming to Osetia, another that Russians came to Osetia and he had to react, third that Russians were planning all operation and he worned about it, another that they took him by surprised...and so on, Mr. Saakashvili, could you take one "truth" and stick to it for more then 2 weeks?


    here is interesting article about "democrat" of Georgia
    www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net.

  • Posted By: Glenno @ 09/30/2008 2:47:46 AM

    Saakashvili is a mad dictator that pretends to be a democracy and also attacked Ossetia/Russia, there are few voices that disputes this now. What is incredible and dangerous is that in United States has built up the Georgian army even though Saakashvili was outspoken about invading South Ossetia. By arming Georgia and then then defending the slaughter of civilians, America is now guilty of genocide. I am amazed that Russia is still offering partnership and friendship to America after 2000 of their citizns were killed with American weapons!
    What is next, Ukraine? 2/3 of Ukraine do no want NATO, how about respecting their democracy???

    20 years ago, who would have thought that Russia would have the moral highground and America is the one implementing regime changes/puppet regimes and provocing wars....

  • Posted By: Stop_lying @ 09/29/2008 10:48:16 PM

    This war are benefit for all conflict members. Saakashvili want to NATO. Russians want to take their positions in the Caucasus, which lost after soviet union collapsed. And doesn't want to see Georgia in NATO. South-Osetian leader (Kokoito) trying to explain his economic collapse by Georgian agression. And he changed gang support on the Russian support. McCain want to won U.S. president election. So... everybody's got what they wanted, but Osetian people are lost. Doesn't matter who started first, but everybody's are crossed the line.

  • Posted By: inewsmaster @ 09/29/2008 7:42:26 PM

    This guy sounds like he's cut from the same cloth as BUSH! That's the first strike against him. If he would just pay attention to the international mess Bush has made he would quickly realize that his "cowboy" tactics will come to a bad end; not only for Georgia, but the whole region. These "US educated" leaders are little more than "Bush Clones" and need to be reeled in before they bring about the so-called "end days" which the Bushies and theirardent followers anxiously await.

  • Posted By: DAVID77 @ 09/29/2008 5:33:33 PM

    Russia is still comunist country and the rulers are comunist as well, so i dont think that we can trust them.
    they always try to manipulate with gas and oil but how long will it last?

  • Posted By: DAVID77 @ 09/29/2008 5:26:37 PM

    i fully agree with this speach and i think world has to understand eventually what Russia is?

  • Posted By: Kuksha @ 09/29/2008 10:56:08 AM

    USA surrounds Russia with the spiteful states and rockets in Europe and in the east. Does orange revolutions.USA hates Russia for the independent policy. All was good when drunk Yeltsin danced under a saxophone of the mister Clinton, at this time gangsterism in Russia has grown to unprecedented heights. Now "bear" is strongly sick - but it a bear. What will be further? "Bear" itself will die from parasites-officials or it will be shot down by the hunter (USA or still who) - will show time. Saakashvili will eat dozen more ties before televiewers and will leave from a political arena.


  • Posted By: Nonromantic @ 09/29/2008 10:47:36 AM

    "Vladimir Putin has made it no secret that he especially wants two people's heads: that of [Ukrainian President] Victor Yuschenko and myself. "
    Mr. Saakashvili obviously has megalomania! For Putin and Medvedev he doesn't exist.

  • Posted By: moscow @ 09/29/2008 8:48:29 AM

    I agree, Sahran, with you. It is funny to listen that the West wants to punish Russia because of the mentally-ill Georgian guy. Doesn`t Europe realize that it will get sick and cold if the Russian gas pipeline is shut-off in the winter time. It must be taken as a law, there are no alternatives. Nobody wants to blackmail you but it`s high time to understand that Russia is on the global scene again and deserves respect which had been lost in the times of drunkard Yeltsin..

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 10:31:04 AM

      Yes, but if Russia turns off the gas, Moscow loses revenue stream. The west adapts with wealth that Russia needs to build. This drives Europe back toward the United States, instead of toward it's natural partner.
      You people are brilliant thinkers. Think longer term.
      You should finish the ESPO and export export export. You should also schedule technical and military sales the world over, and engage in value added market behaviours. It is in your interest to work past this period of bad relations. (It was never in our interest for them to begin.)

  • Posted By: bandito @ 09/29/2008 6:25:45 AM

    Most of all write about those Russia who it most of all hate. The Washington Post, Washington Times, Wall Street Jornal, the Economist - leaders. Write every day and always badly. Badly in all senses - write only bad and journalism level poor to impropriety. The whole paragraphs tear off each other (or from one general source?) Muddle the known facts. The example - persistently takes root thought that Putin has begun last Chechen war after has blown up houses in Moscow and became the president. That is after 2000. Type Bloody to wind electorate has killed people in Moscow, became the president. Has then broken an armistice and has knocked down the free small country. And after all events at many for memories. At first there was Basayev's spot-check to Dagestan and reciprocal war (Putin - still the prime minister, 1999) and then already explosions in Moscow and presidency-2000. To check up easily, but it does not confuse. Innocence or secrecy of the investigation presumptions as though on light are not present, all affirms on children's categorical. Putin has poisoned Litvinenko. Has killed the Politkovskaya. Has blown up houses. Stalin has killed millions (that 40 60, figures different and always round) "According to the US president, communistic modes for the almost 90-year-old history have destroyed 100 million persons". What for scientific institute - the US president? Besides children's confidence that the USA all is possible. Hiroshima, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq and ect - not murders of peace citizens. The Chechen Republic - murder. Let there insurgents from all over the world, let kill hostages (to hostages amazing callousness, the more killed - the better. It is possible to write again "Moscow does not feel sorry for people and shows the usual cruelty"). In general - jugglings, lie and hatred. Propagation in ancient Gebbels style.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 10:26:00 AM

      American media lost it's independence years ago, generally. They are in bed with those that buy advertising, or they die. Subscriptions to cable or print do not pay the bills.
      They are better conduits of party line than Pravda ever was.

  • Posted By: waxira @ 09/27/2008 4:30:28 PM

    Please get the facts straight:

    1. Saakashvili attacked South Ossetia and Russia responded using the miscalculated poorly executed military offence.
    2. Georgia is not a democracy as quite few recent members Saakashvili???s government and can testify. High ranking Saakashvili???s allies are now political refuges and you don???t become a political refuge in a democratic society.
    3. ???Democratic??? Georgia still admires Stalin and his henchman L. Beria. Statues of Stalin are still quite common in Georgia as well as public places named after him. Just revisit recent pictures of Gori.
    4. Corruption in Georgia is as rampant as it ever was. Just try to do any business there.
    Following Saakashvili???s rhetoric with some practical steps can lead to the situation that is far more dangerous than the hottest moments of the cold war. Russian bear is as brutal as it ever was and provoking the beast can be very harmful to the all parties involved.

    • Posted By: djdrive @ 09/27/2008 7:53:17 PM

      1. Is simply not true, as about 60% of SO teritory was controlled by Tbilisi - now it's ethnically cleansed of Georgians.
      2. There's no dictatorship in the country where oppositions hangs out on the state TV 24 hours a day
      3. Statement of widespread admiration of Stalin and Beria is simply not true either. The fact that there's a Stalin house preserved in Gori doesn't mean all Georgians are Stalinists. Let alone Beria.
      4. Corruption in Georgia rampant? Don't make my slippers laugh, as they say in Russia. Have you ever done business in Georgia? Or you're getting your information from the Russian media?

      And what is the point of your comment? Russians are so big that everyone has to fear them? What this "foreign policy doctrine" has to do with democracy in Georgia? We're lucky that most of the people who make US foreign policy don't think like you do.

      • Posted By: streetwise @ 09/28/2008 10:48:05 AM

        1. Saakashvili attacked South Ossetia and Russia responded using the miscalculated poorly executed military offence.
        No objection about THIS point ?
        Well, then the evidence is clear: GUILTY (and most of all: FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!)

        • Posted By: bormotello @ 09/28/2008 4:18:53 PM

          Of coarse, they have to think about USA, but there is no reasons to lie about this. Just enough to tell everybody that <we want see dictator Saakashvili as president, because we want access to Caspian oil>
          Why need to lie everybody about democracy in Georgia?

          • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 10:20:25 AM

            Elections do not make a Democracy. That is a Bush mistake. It has backfired everywhere.
            Societies choose to be democratic. Ours is not any longer at all. We have very little room anymore to speak of Democracy. We have tarnished the our image despicably.
            It should be heard that there are a lot of Americans that are sorry for all of this.

        • Posted By: AlCo @ 09/28/2008 1:09:41 PM

          ===Russians are so big that everyone has to fear them?==
          Nope. Russians just big enough to defend its civillians and peacekippers.

          • Posted By: Jury @ 09/28/2008 4:47:21 PM

            Saakashvili was the bad lawyer, and has decided to become the good president having played in Sims
            The fool is the fool, and the armchair in which it(he) does not matter sits:)

            (X-translator)

          • Posted By: Jury @ 09/28/2008 4:46:51 PM

            Saakashvili was the bad lawyer, and has decided to become the good president having played in Sims
            The fool is the fool, and the armchair in which it(he) does not matter sits:)

            (X-translator)

    • Posted By: streetwise @ 09/28/2008 10:56:55 AM

      Comment: 1. Is simply not true, as about 60% of SO teritory was controlled by Tbilisi - now it's ethnically cleansed of Georgians.

      So is NOT true that georgian forces have attacked a TOWN full of CIVILIAN PEOPLE (Georgians ? Ossetians,? Let God sort'em out...) at 11 PM with SATURATION fire of rockets and artillery ?
      If it is true, then the sentence is GUILTY .
      And is NOT true that THIS georgian action gave the Russian the BEST rationale to do what they maybe WISHED to do, but NEVER woul have done without that, or something like that ?
      If this is true, then the sentence is: FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Kuksha @ 09/29/2008 10:18:43 AM

    Georgia - a skunk small but very smelly.

  • Posted By: Bogorad @ 09/28/2008 3:28:42 PM

    Georgian forces armed and trained by US killed 1600 civilians IN ONE DAY. Most of them women, children, elders. Most of them russian citizens. Several villages and towns raised to the ground with all their inhabitans.Imagine 1600 brits or americans murdered. What would UK or US do?


    England is not portraying a fair and un-biased view of the war, that the so called 'war-lord' Russians have caused.Russia has no advantage.The people that Russia has so called 'attacked' are RUNNING TO RUSSIA (About 30,000 ).
    Now why would they do this if Russia was the aggressor?


    At the moment there is a drastical flow of refugees from the South Ossetia to Russia (~30000 people).
    Guess why they don't want to go Georgia.
    Tskhinvali was ruined utterly by Georgian artillery.
    About 2000 people were killed. That's why South Ossetia would never agree to become a part of Georgia.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 10:12:53 AM

      The only US training was small unit stuff and nothing that could/should have been used against Russia.
      I know you are mad at us. I get it.
      If I had been advising stupid Misha, and he wanted to take on Russia, I'd have shot myself in the head. Right after taking his butt out. Also, if there had been actual United States military advice he would not have shelled the apartment blocks like an idiot. I would have advised the moron to shoot the rail tunnel, where the troops from the 58th poured in. Then I could have had a chance against what little Russia had in Ossetia.
      As far as I am concerned, Russia can have S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. It is not a United States issue. Bush has us embroiled here precisely because he wants to antagonize Russia with grief, enfeeble her with hostile states on her borders, and Oil is in play. Bush does these things for his Oil masters.
      Just like Iraq.
      I think these people have done criminal things.

  • Posted By: royljanl @ 09/28/2008 8:53:26 PM

    We should support Georgia in their time of need. We need to send military equipment and financial support. We help worthless dictators for oil and its time to stand up to Russian aggression. We should never send troops but help them in any other way that we possibly can. Putin is nothing but a KGB trained monster that needs to be put in his place

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 10:04:29 AM

      Sad. I tend to see things a little more clearly than this. Saakashvili is an idiot that almost threw Europe and the US into a General War. This idiot is like old dynamite in a shed. He will continue to go off and hurt people until the threat is removed.
      I could hope someone over there still has some Polonium Tea for this guy. We can't kill foreign leaders anymore.

  • Posted By: Yuriy_M @ 09/29/2008 2:05:23 AM

    just 2 words: liar, liar
    or, according to Mr. Lavrov - '*** LUNATIC'

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 10:00:52 AM

      Sociopathic lying murderous scum with big friends.: Misha Saakashvili.

  • Posted By: moscow @ 09/29/2008 8:52:39 AM

    Who wants to punish Russia, these small bugs from Poland and Baltics? Funny to listen to this nonsense. Of course, Russia lost the respect and its rpestige in the times of drunkard Yetsin. The sooner the west understands that it is easy to deal with Russia (not to humiliate it and ignore its interests), the better it will be for all sides involved.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 9:58:59 AM

      Only idiots want to drive a wedge between Moscow and Washington. Nothing important can be accomplished in the international system without Russia. that has been the case since WWII, no matter the conditions in Russia. (Or the rest of the former Soviet state.) Moscow has always mattered.
      The problem here is that one party is selling perpetual war for profit. Fewer people are buying it now.
      (I never liked Yeltsin. He and Clinton were both useless. Neither had a solid grasp of what was needed.but were focused on what they had to survive politically.)

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/29/2008 9:51:41 AM

      I hate this idiot Saakashvili. His stooges run the McCain campaign, and the same neo-con whack-jobs sold us the Iraq war through Achmed Chalabi. The republicans wanted this to make McCain look essential. It fell flat.
      The biggest shame is the rage it has caused in Putin. He has been abused by Bush and Rice, and McCain is just more of the same.
      I hope we choose wisely in November, and replace these imbeciles.
      I also hope that a different era in relations can begin.

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