To Postal Workers, No Mail Is ‘Junk’

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  • Posted By: solarismoon @ 10/01/2008 3:35:13 PM

    The USPS is a government business. This is another example of spcial interests running our government. I am sorry to any postal worker who may get laid off or have to switch careers as a result of reduced need for mail services, but forcing Americans to received unwanted mail in their own mailbox is beyond wrong. On top of thta, forcing the destruction of millions of trees to support this business is equally catasrophic, more so, to our world than people being out of work. I would rather fall on hard times and have a healthy planet to leave my kids than to continue using up our natural resources and live the good life only to have my children inherit a world that can no longer sustain human life.

    There are other solutions to this issue- some ideas are to run the mail service every other day rather than daily, offer free PO Boxes so fewer mailcars have to use gas to deliver mail at each person's home, or simply charge more for a freakin' stamp. I rarely use the mail, opting for email and electronic methods, but if I needed to mail something I wouldn't mind paying a couple of dollars to send a regular sized envelope if it meant saving trees and reducing this government business's dependance on junk mail to survive.

  • Posted By: robthomas @ 10/01/2008 3:24:55 PM

    Besides all the junk mail - Why do we have to receive mail every single day. The USPS should cut back home deliveries to every other day or 2 times a week.

    I dont need to receive my mail every day. Think of the money they would save. They would only need half the mail carriers and 1/2 the vehicles which means using half the gasoline.

    I would like to hear one of the presidential canidates talk about cutting mail service back to every other day.

    • Posted By: Barc @ 10/01/2008 3:34:40 PM

      That means that things like bill payments would only get picked up at the same frequency. You'd have to remember to mail your payments earlier. Of course, that's if you mail payments, and don't pay them automatically.

  • Posted By: solarismoon @ 10/01/2008 3:33:53 PM

    The USPS is a government business. This is another example of spcial interests running our government. I am sorry to any postal worker who may get laid off or have to switch careers as a result of reduced need for mail services, but forcing Americans to received unwanted mail in their own mailbox is beyond wrong. On top of thta, forcing the destruction of millions of trees to support this business is equally catasrophic, more so, to our world than people being out of work. I would rather fall on hard times and have a healthy planet to leave my kids than to continue using up our natural resources and live the good life only to have my children inherit a world that can no longer sustain human life.

    There are other solutions to this issue- some ideas are to run the mail service every other day rather than daily, offer free PO Boxes so fewer mailcars have to use gas to deliver mail at each person's home, or simply charge more for a freakin' stamp. I rarely use the mail, opting for email and electronic methods, but if I needed to mail something I wouldn't mind paying a couple of dollars to send a regular sized envelope if it meant saving trees and reducing this government business's dependance on junk mail to survive.

  • Posted By: Barc @ 10/01/2008 3:30:54 PM

    From Robert Heinlein's short story, "Lifeline":

    "It is true that Amalgamated has lost business through my activities, but that is the natural result of my discovery, which has made their policies as obsolete as the bow and arrow. If an injunction is granted
    on that ground, I shall set up a coal-oil-lamp factory, and then ask for an injunction against the Edison and General Electric companies to forbid them to manufacture incandescent bulbs."

  • Posted By: madtaxman @ 10/01/2008 3:30:42 PM

    You go in the Post Off ice counter now and you think that you have walk in to WalMart
    They should charge every one for the service I must pay for my mail box why can they deliver the mail in the country at no cost everyone should paid the city has home delivery but not small town USA

  • Posted By: patchdog @ 10/01/2008 3:17:04 PM

    "Find the !cheapest! way to get our letters and packages from point A to point B and stick with it"?????? Hello...where else can you send a letter from Seattle to Key West for .42 cents in 2-3days?

    • Posted By: dterrell @ 10/01/2008 3:29:46 PM

      Well it's coing with technology, we will not need the po

  • Posted By: trinjboro @ 10/01/2008 3:28:33 PM

    The best thing to do with the PO is give it to FEDEX or UPS and they would have it turning a profit in 6 months time, with lower rates !!!!!!

  • Posted By: czeckmate @ 10/01/2008 3:27:28 PM

    My mailbox is stuffed with a dozen of unsolicited pieces a week. Those are the letters from mainly credit card companies, some of them now bankrupt. And, I love postal service and I do not want to get those guys bankrupt either so I help them. I open those credit card offers, cut my name out, fold the rest, and stuff the junk back into a prepaid envelope, and MAIL IT! That is at least 5 bucks a week for postal service, 250 bucks a year. If one million citizens would do the same the postal revenue would grow by a quarter of BILLION dollars annually. Not a bad start.. With some vision downstream, there could be a outfit set up that woul collect all that returned mail to cc's and sell it as scrap paper to China, Voila, another revenue, and trees would be safe too. :)

  • Posted By: czeckmate @ 10/01/2008 3:27:10 PM

    My mailbox is stuffed with a dozen of unsolicited pieces a week. Those are the letters from mainly credit card companies, some of them now bankrupt. And, I love postal service and I do not want to get those guys bankrupt either so I help them. I open those credit card offers, cut my name out, fold the rest, and stuff the junk back into a prepaid envelope, and MAIL IT! That is at least 5 bucks a week for postal service, 250 bucks a year. If one million citizens would do the same the postal revenue would grow by a quarter of BILLION dollars annually. Not a bad start.. With some vision downstream, there could be a outfit set up that woul collect all that returned mail to cc's and sell it as scrap paper to China, Voila, another revenue, and trees would be safe too. :)

  • Posted By: cruisemama @ 10/01/2008 3:26:55 PM

    Forgotten is the fact that the post office operates on a break even basis. When these 'big mailers" mail out, they are paying the bill for all of us who just send a 42 cent letter. With current cost of gas - who can go across town for that price?

  • Posted By: anonymous2222 @ 10/01/2008 11:25:03 AM

    Before you start slamming the Postal Service about wages you need to look into the facts. Here are some things most of the general public does not realize that the USPS has to deal with.
    1. USPS does not use Taxpayers money, the salaries/benefits and total operating expenses paid are generated solely on the Revenue that we generate with the postage and fees that we charge for our products and services. We do not have fuel surcharges like UPS and FedEx, and we actually deliver a large amount of packages for those companies because they do not deliver to 'the last mile' like our carriers do. We are a business just like private organizations when it comes to our budgeting.
    2. There are 4 different Unions in the USPS that negotiate these wages and benefits and also protect the employees for each craft. This means that the USPS cannot just hire and fire when we want. This also means that any operational or structural changes have to be negotiated with the 4 unions before those changes are made.
    I agree that changes need to be made, but there are a lot of politicians that get pressure from both sides that affect changes that could be made. Congress passed a bill in 2006 that required the USPS to put billions of dollars into an account every year to support retirement services for employees. This was done after the USPS was finally in the black for the first time in many years and unexpected. This means that the beginning of every fiscal year the USPS is in the red before it even starts.
    I would love to cut delivery to 5 days a week, but part of the negotiations with the politicians in approval of a transformation plan included protection to continue 6 days of mail service to the customers. These are things that need to be renegotiated on a political scale. The USPS has also recently made changes in our pricing structure to make our products and services more competitive without raising the price of the first class stamp by more than 1-2 cents every year or so. Additionally, the customer service scores are the highest they have ever been and continue to get better.
    Lastly, there is a lot more to processing, sorting, and delivering mail than just sticking it in a box. I would welcome any 'lettuce washer' to apply to be a substitute carrier - because there are many that do - and most of them cannot pass the driving requirements or drug screening to get hired. The ones that do, usually quit after 2 or 3 days because of the accountability of what they are required to do on a daily basis. The average carrier averages about 800-1000 deliveries a day. I would love to see changes in the postal service, but people need to put the pressure on the politicians to help make the changes instead of making it more difficult to operate.

    • Posted By: wg4958 @ 10/01/2008 3:26:32 PM

      I agree with you that a " Lettuce Washer" from Mickey Dees would probably not be able to hack it but let???s get to some facts; Exactly how much is a ??? Mail Sorter ??? paid per hour, do they really sort the mail or is majority of the mail, as we have been led to believe, sorted via a machine?
      When you discuss the number of items each mail carrier delivers is that as in house numbers or are you referring to driving up to a neighborhood post office box and dropping off 500 items in one sitting- remembering that the actual sorting is generally accomplished before you leave your point of origin.
      As far as the amount of money that the USPS is required to place in an account at the start of each fiscal year to pay for the retirement of employees and etc. that is only right and had management had their heads out of their derriere???s then would have been accomplished before hand and shouldn???t even be an issue. That fact applies to many U.S. Corporations and we don???t hear them whining about it.

  • Posted By: mbronner @ 10/01/2008 12:42:53 PM

    Does anyone here realize that each and every section/division of our Government has been infected with the George W. Bush regime's intent on making our country competitive with 3rd world countries. Name one that hasn't.

    • Posted By: tuzlasniper @ 10/01/2008 3:26:31 PM

      yes, you are an idiot. this has been coming for over 20 yrs now, maybe longer.

    • Posted By: Big DDDDD @ 10/01/2008 3:16:54 PM

      It's all Bush's fault??????? You are an idiot.

  • Posted By: czeckmate @ 10/01/2008 3:25:46 PM

    My mailbox is stuffed with a dozen of unsolicited pieces a week. Those are the letters from mainly credit card companies, some of them now bankrupt. And, I love postal service and I do not want to get those guys bankrupt either so I help them. I open those credit card offers, cut my name out, fold the rest, and stuff the junk back into a prepaid envelope, and MAIL IT! That is at least 5 bucks a week for postal service, 250 bucks a year. If one million citizens would do the same the postal revenue would grow by a quarter of BILLION dollars annually. Not a bad start.. With some vision downstream, there could be a outfit set up that woul collect all that returned mail to cc's and sell it as scrap paper to China, Voila, another revenue, and trees would be safe too. :)

  • Posted By: SpecOps @ 10/01/2008 3:19:56 PM

    I was an employee for 16 years at the Postal Service's Headquarters. Earlier this year, the Postal Service Board of Governors granted significant pay increases to nine senior agency managers, including the Postmaster General and the Deputy Postmaster General. The increases were made retroactive to January 2007 and were given because the Congress gave the Postal Service, via legislation, more flexibility in terms of increasing the pay ceilings for executives, rate setting, etc. If that wasn't a hard enough slap to its customers, the American people, the agency allows senior managers to pay negotiated retention bonuses to keep their chosen ones in the agency. For example, the former VP/CTO of the Information Technology organization authorized one-time payments as high as $50K to selected employees for agreeing to stay one year beyond planned retirement or other departure dates. Ostensibly, these payments were made to retain highly skilled people, but the reality of the situation is that the Postal Service spent money needlessly to retain the chosen ones. Although the amounts in both cases are insignificant when one thinks about a possible $3 billion deficit in FY2008, such increases and payments were certainly ill-advised, ill-timed are merely a microcosm of mismanagement ,

  • Posted By: tuzlasniper @ 10/01/2008 3:19:52 PM

    the end is near. I worked in the po for over 15 yrs before growing a brain and getting out, but even in the 80s and 90s junk mail was half of total volume. It's just a matter of time, less than 10 yrs is my guess, and the po will be kaput. Too bad, but times change, who gets mail -mail and who pays bills thru the mail anymore?

  • Posted By: jimmy011752 @ 10/01/2008 3:05:14 PM

    When I receive junk mail I will open it and stuff the contents into a competitors mail and send it back, this way I don't have to trash it and the post office gets credit for the return.

    • Posted By: okeechobee2004 @ 10/01/2008 3:15:16 PM

      You go Jimmie, I do the same thing. I was in sales a couple of years ago and when someone returned a postage fee paid return envelope, I had to pay the post office 70 cents. lol, now I do it all the time, if everyone did the same thing, the bulk mailers would go out of business, and the post office would be rich.

  • Posted By: brucetwyman @ 10/01/2008 2:33:31 PM

    Stop Saturday delivery......take Wednesdays off and work 4 ten hour days.......that right there increases your productivity by at least 25%......this is what is inherently wrong with this country, people feel empowered when they work for the BIG government that has been created over the years.......its weaning time folks, for consumers, businesses and the government.......excesses have got to go or we are in a world of trouble in this country over the next 2 decades.

    • Posted By: okeechobee2004 @ 10/01/2008 3:10:45 PM

      i got a better idea, stop saturday delivers completely and work 8 hrs a day.

  • Posted By: Matrxlady @ 10/01/2008 3:07:05 PM

    Have any statistics been collected as to how much money the USPS has lost due to it's last change in fees (eliminating the lowest mailing rate category for international/intercontinental mail)? I used to spend around 300 Dollars (+) each year (!) sending mail to relatives in Europe. Now it has gotten so expensive, I have switched to cheaper phone calls and e-mail completely eliminating this cost. I am sure others are in the same boat (it's not worth it sending an item overseas that weighs 1lb, or even 15lbs for special occasions, costing more than the item in the package for it to be mailed!!!).
    Here in Kittanning, PA I can't even get into the Post Office because it has no other entries except the stairs (which can not be accessed with a wheelchair!!!).
    So don't lament the USPS going "under", ask yourself why and you will find that it is the lack of customer service and consideration all together. The Post Office can't survive by only catering to the rich, as it is is only a small segment of the U.S. population. Instead of making sending mail easier, it has become harder and more expensive for all of us. (So the internet and phone companies fill in where it leaves off!)
    Trying to make a "living" from junk mail won't be a solution as more and more people opt out because it is finally seen as what it truly is: an unnecessary waste of resources.
    It's a shame, because we all are going to miss the "mailman" coming to our door, but at the current rate of financial losses (and customer disappointment) this may end as well. (The post office was never ment to exist to make a profit, it was created as a customer service, a service to the people of America trying to bridge the vast distances to stay in touch, communicate with private and corporate entities, and distribute news and knowledge. Now it's all about fancy boxes and expensive packing materials and the like. Get back to the basics! Suggestion: Find the !cheapest! way to get our letters and packages from point A to point B and stick with it coupled with !great! customer service!)

  • Posted By: Watchdog113 @ 10/01/2008 2:51:01 PM

    They should be driving hybrids or electric. What better use with all the stop and go driving they do? That's where that technology shines. The fuel cost would be cut substantially. We should demand the switch.

    • Posted By: wg4958 @ 10/01/2008 3:06:11 PM

      Execellent point - once again this is a prime example of upper level mismanagement. I guess the old saying about when an individual places a tie around their neck it apparently cuts of circulation to the brain preventing them from thinking is applicable.!

  • Posted By: vrspock @ 10/01/2008 2:56:02 PM

    My mom worked for the postal service. I know from hearing from the inside that the first thing the postal service needs to do is what a lot of American companies need to do. Establish realistic pay scales for management that doesn't include "business" meetings in Hiawai or getting huge bonuses for suggesting and implementing untested technology that ends up costing 10 times the originally projected cost and all kinds of tweaking to make it work at least at 1/5 of what it was expected to accomplish.

    They could take a lot of lessons from FedEx who is about the only carrier I would trust to get anything anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.

    Snail mail is obsolete.

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