CAMPAIGN 2008

The Vices of Their Virtues

John McCain's impetuosity is either thrilling or disturbing. Barack Obama's cool is either sober or detached. It's clear now how each would govern.

By Jon Meacham and Evan Thomas | NEWSWEEK
Published Sep 27, 2008
From the magazine issue dated Oct 6, 2008

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  • Posted By: Jondj @ 11/02/2008 9:10:00 PM

    that would f u cking suc k

  • Posted By: Jondj @ 11/02/2008 9:09:25 PM

    can i get banned for saying obama is realy gay

  • Posted By: Jondj @ 11/02/2008 9:08:37 PM

    hes realy gay i heard it on mah radio

  • Posted By: Jondj @ 11/02/2008 9:06:51 PM

    obama is kinda a ***

  • Posted By: ADELFAPINEDA @ 10/17/2008 6:03:01 PM



    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30122043&l=0510b&id=1130236838

    EL GRAN OBAMA PRESIDENTE 2008-14 El GOBIERNO DE LA DIPLOMACIA INTERNACIONAL. con (Cuba, Venezuela, Nuevo País patria Libre Independiente, y países del Medio Oriente), serán incluidos en la integración diplomática y respeto como nació. Después del debate, en donde fue definitivo, quedo claro, el perfil, visionario y las características de OBAMA PRESIDENTE 2008-14, que sacara de la crisis económica a los EE.UU y la región. OBAMA PRESIDENTE 2008-14 aplicara políticas de gobierno organizado, los mercados y la competencia, serán métodos que se enmarque en modelos económicos, dirigidos por los economistas (analistas y especialistas), y los métodos administrativos serán de expertos, de manera que el modelo conlleve una forma efectiva de llevar a la región al desarrollo económico, social, y cultural, en donde: prime el respeto y el equilibrio estado-el mercado, Que converja en beneficio de la sociedad y encamine todos los esfuerzos sincronizados de manera que se pueda erradicar la pobreza, erradicar la cultura de violencia, guerra y corrupción, 1ADELFA PINEDA TRANSPARENCIA Y ÉTICA: Por el Desarrollo del País; Dignidad Publica,:. 1

  • Posted By: wendydk @ 10/11/2008 12:26:01 PM

    John McCain is a good man, who got carried away by ambition, bad people and bad decisions. I think his conscience is bothering him now, and makes him more appealing, and more the man I know him to be.

    Sarah Palin may be smart, but she's not who you think she is. Sarah Palin is a traitor to America and to her party.

    Palins un-American activities
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/index.html

    Alaskan Independence Party chairwoman Lynette Clark talks about why she does not identify herself as an American, and about her kindred spirit Sarah Palin.
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/10/alaska_secession/index.html

    The pastor who clashed with Palin
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/15/bess/index.html

    Troopergate Report Concludes Palin Abused Power. Full 263 Page report here???
    http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf

    Palins Attack On Obamas Patriotism Legitimizes Questions About her Association With Group Founded By America-Hating Secessionist
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php

    Palin And The Alaska Independence Party
    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/09/2008 7:38:42 PM

    They harassed her until she registered to vote six times!:
    http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3145562&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/

  • Posted By: izme @ 10/09/2008 1:00:16 AM

    VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE
    The upcoming election is the most critical election in the history of our nation. The very future of our nation???s foundation is at stake. Every person will be affected. If the liberals win, then our foundation will no longer be based on traditional morality. It will gradually but assuredly be based on an ever shifting, ever moving foundation. If the liberals win, the damage can???t be stopped with elections two, four or forty years from now. America will forever be changed. We will keep seeing a gradual and growing hostility toward people of faith. The morals of our nation will continue to decline. Our children and grandchildren will pay the price.

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/08/2008 11:45:35 PM

    "Not all Democrats agree with Mr. Frank that such policies are off-limits to criticism. Last week Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama said in a statement: 'Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership, when in retrospect, I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.'

    "Mr. Davis is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus."

    'Rank snobbery'

    Camille Paglia, who supports Sen. Barack Obama, has nothing but scorn for the way the media has treated Sarah Palin.

    "The mountain of rubbish poured out about Palin over the past month would rival Everest. What a disgrace for our jabbering army of liberal journalists and commentators, too many of whom behaved like snippy jackasses," Miss Paglia writes at www.salon.com.

    "The bourgeois conventionalism and rank snobbery of these alleged humanitarians stank up the place. As for Palin's brutally edited interviews with Charlie Gibson and that viper, Katie Couric, don't we all know that the best bits ended up on the cutting-room floor? Something has gone seriously wrong with Democratic ideology, which seems to have become a candied set of holier-than-thou bromides attached like tutti-frutti to a quivering green Jell-O mold of adolescent sentimentality."

  • Posted By: thatscool @ 10/06/2008 10:07:32 PM

    your a bunch a sods an bloody wankers. Shut your rots for just a mim .Now, there's a lode of horse *** on ere about all these theory's and odd ends. But just take a peek at the raw material. We have a bloke of African American decent, quite a brave veshche. On te other side we have ol Grand da, also brave ta take up such a task. These lads are doing sometin unheard of in our fine country. See whats before ya

  • Posted By: Kevin3345 @ 10/04/2008 4:34:21 PM

    The American people have the right to know that McCain has met with the head of Israeli Mossad 4 times in the past 6 months. Sources who for obvious reasons wish to remain anonymous, have confirmed that the reason for the meetings was to discuss planning attacks against the United States, planned by Mossad, in order to boost McCains' rating. Senator Joe Lieberman a self-admitted zionist and orthodox jew has been in these meetings with McCain. The attacks will create an atmosphere of fear among Americans, who would never suspect that their "hero" John McCain was one of the planners. This is not a far fetched story. I believe the sources, and I also believe McCain would plan the killing of innocent Americans in order to become president. Noam Chomsky on numerous occasions has eluded to this frightening scenario. I hope This scenario never happens but unfortunately McCain has already met with Mossad specifically for this reason.

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/04/2008 5:05:00 PM

      Who told you this? Hussein's mentors, Farrakhan and Wright??

      You are one sick puppy.

      A mohammed in the White House??? God forbid...and He has.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: thatscool @ 10/06/2008 9:46:44 PM

        honestly kid, American has been pretty boring and lazy. we need a change. and the only difference physically between you and Obama is the pigment of your skin, that's it. now go do something constructive

      • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 7:44:04 PM

        And you have no brains. You sound like somebody who is a drug user from the 60's. Look yourself in the mirror Christian and repent. You probably don't have ba!!s to do that either.

        • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 2:14:53 AM

          Dude, HolyRoller doesn't stop with this stuff. Save your fingers for constructive posts; don't let him get under your skin -- you'll play right into his expectations that all liberals are jumpy and whiny.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/04/2008 5:51:23 PM

      (Continued from my post above )

      Part 2 of 3

      * KWAME KILPATRICK (Disgraced Detroit Mayor who resigned and subject to 4 mos. In Jail) - Obamas introduces his friend and colleague: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6_zdeJ79E
      Article: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/08/2008-09-08_kwame_kilpatrick_sees_flames_of_desire_a.html

      * RAILA OGINGA ODINGA (Kenyan political radical) - Obamas cousin
      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obamas-oginga-o.html

      * TONY REZKO (Convicted Felon /Extortion and Fraud) http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4111483&page=1

      * NADHMI AUCHI (British billionaire who, according to one report, set up a variety of deals with Saddam Husseins regime prior to the 1991 Gulf War, and was one of the largest private shareholders in BNP Paribas, the bank that trafficked most of the funds involved in the UN Oil-For-Food scandal) http://www.beachwoodreporter.com/politics/obamas_auchi_problem.php

      * AIHAM ASMARA ( Alsammarae was arrested by Iraqi authorities for bilking the coalition government out of some $650 million. He was sprung from prison under questionable circumstances in 2006 and escaped from Iraq, where he is still wanted for questioning with regard to major financial crimes.) http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=70972

      * JODIE EVANS (One of Obamas presidential campaign bundlers who is a political ally to Venezuelan dictator, Hugo Chavez, and an advocate for Islamic militants.)
      http://www.melaniemorgan.com/content/view/744/2/

      * GEORGE SOROS (Billionaire; anti-America / anti-establishment radical) Major backer of moveon.org and Barack Obamas senate and presidential candidacy race) - Since 2003, the central focus of George Soros??? life has been on tearing down what he views as the FACIST TYRANNY of the United States. Through networks of non-governmental organizations, and his negative view of America, George Soros intends to knock America off its global pedestal. Soros' aim seems to be to make the U.S. just another client state easily controlled by the United Nations and other one-world groups where he has lots of friends. Soros additionally finances groups best described as helpful to terrorists.
      http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275181103776079

      (Continued in my post below)

      • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 8:39:24 PM

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27015517#27015517

        • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/05/2008 3:51:14 PM

          In a government job or public position of any kind, person to person is the job description.
          Anyone in an advising, teaching or public job will tell you that
          they meet people everywhere;
          in meetings, conferences, hallways, coffee rooms, supermarkets,
          parties, lawyers offices, post offices, schools, anywhere.
          Not taking a mortgage out together anytime spoon.
          So,
          the long spsheel that you keep looping:
          not buying it yesterday, today, or tomorrow.

          • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/05/2008 4:00:40 PM

            And just to reinforce.....not anytime SPOON.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/04/2008 5:48:39 PM


      (Continued from my post above)

      Part 3 of 3

      SAMPLING OF ENDORSERS OF OBAMA:

      What triggers radicals, dictators, terrorist groups, et al, to endorse Barack Obama? He may denounce such endorsers, but the fact still remains they totally support him. . .WHY?

      * HAMAS (terrorist org):
      http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968
      http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=64097

      * COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (CPUSA) - (Marxist-Leninist political party in the United States) http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-party-backs-obama/

      * THE NEW BLACK PANTHERS (anti-Semitic black supremacist party)
      http://bigheaddc.com/2008/03/19/new-black-panther-party-endorses-obama/

      * FIDEL CASTRO (former Cuban President / Dictator) - Endorsed Obama
      http://www.rpof.org/article.php?id=382

      * MUAMMAR GADDAFI (Libyan political leader)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFvWqEwq2Yw

      * KIM JONG-IL (NORTH KOREA) http://freekorea.us/2008/06/22/obama-gets-another-unwanted-endorsement/

      * HUGO CHAVEZ (Venezuelan dictator) - Richardson gets another foreign endorsement for Obama: http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/28/video-richardson-gets-another-foreign-endorsement-for-obama/

      * CHARLES BARRON - (former Black Panther) - New York City Councilman (http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obamas_bad_news_buddies_862967.htm

      * DONNIE MCCLURKIN (ex-gay gospel singer who has claimed that gays are trying to kill our children) http://www.nypost.com/seven/11082007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obamas_bad_news_buddies_862967.htm

      • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 8:39:43 PM

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27015517#27015517

        • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/05/2008 3:44:45 PM

          Anyone can endorse Anyone.
          Not marriage or even an engagement.

    • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/04/2008 5:52:42 PM



      SAMPLING OF OBAMAs. . . close circle of Friends, Colleagues, Campaign fundraisers, terrorists, radical / racists, anti-America pastor, radical mentors, and other controversial associations / relationships: Does anyone see a PATTERN? Its not one, not two, but a whole slew of choices Obama made for people to surround himself with during his rise in politics over the years. . .which makes one truly question Obamas beliefs, his values, his integrity and his character as a man who is running for POTUS:

      Part 1 of 3

      * RASHID KHALIDI (former PLO terrorist): http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/04/obama-bomber-ayers-partied-with-former.html

      * FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS (infamous pro-Soviet Communist Party member who was a mentor to Obama in his earlier days - from age 9 or 10 to 18 yrs old - until he left to go off to college). Davis sent Obama off to college and later Barack would admit that he attended socialist conferences and picked Marxist professors as his friends. http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/09/obamas-communist-mentor-frank-marshall.html

      * BILL AYERS (Washington unapologetic terrorist): Colleague and friend of Barack and Michelle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV_h-XwchkY

      * BERNADINE DORHN (Washington unapologetic terrorist): Friend and colleague of Michelle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxRi4gfupi8

      * LOUIS FARRAKHAN (radical Islam, Racist): Obamas church honored this guy with an award; he also endorsed Obama (albeit he denounced him).
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOAi6PYHQNA

      * MRS. LOUIS FARRAKHAN and Michelle are friends and each serve on the Board for the Rainbow Coalition / PUSH. http://minx.cc/?post=265769
      (Mrs. Farrakhan is shown in the center in the first row)

      * JAMES MEEKS (Illiniois Senator and Reverend) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou1G0BIyu74

      * REVEREND WRIGHT (former pastor, spiritual mentor, friend - like an uncle to me - for 20+ years) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk
      Obamas former church ( www.tucc.org)

      * FATHER PHLEGER (another spiritual mentor and race-conscious, hateful pastor and friend of Obama for many yrs.): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvYICKJ3TI



      (Continued in my post below)

      • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 8:39:13 PM

        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27015517#27015517

      • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 7:41:32 PM

        Your scaring me. Oh for goodness sakes, you need that much attention. I won't waste my energy rebutting stupidity

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/06/2008 6:03:09 PM

    The Antichrist!:
    When George Soros failed to obtain the election of his candidate, John Kerry, in 2004, he brooded for a while, even said he might get out of politics altogether, but he just couldn???t stop himself. He has stated publicly that he wishes to burst the ???bubble of American supremacy,??? because he says our preeminence in the world is a detriment to global ???equilibrium.??? So far, he has failed, but he keeps on trying.

    And Mr. Soros has made no secret either of the fact that he sees the shortest way to effect political shake-ups, what he terms ???regime changes,??? is through very difficult economic conditions.

    America has not yet felt the full force of Soros style economic shock treatment. But others have.

    Soros made his first billion in 1992 by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England. He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically in comparative worth almost overnight.

    When the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997 threatened to spread globally, George Soros was right in the thick of it. Soros was accused by the Malaysian Prime Minister of causing the collapse with his monetary machinations, and he was branded in Thailand as an ???economic war criminal??? who ???sucks the blood from the people.??? Right in the middle of this crisis, Soros dashed off his book, The Crisis of Global Capitalism, which demanded a ???third way??? toward economic stability.

    Wake up, America, before it is too late!!!!

  • Posted By: rockye @ 10/06/2008 1:39:31 AM

    IN MY OPINION: IN AN ELECTION SUCH AS THIS ONE, THE CHOICE IS ALWAYS THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS OR THE BEST OF TWO EVILS.
    NO CANDIDATE CAN CLAIM THE RIGHT TO THROW THE FIRST STONE, NOT EVEN INFLATED PALIN. FOR THE RICH, THE CHOICE IS THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. FOR THE DEPRIVED, IT IS THE BEST OF TWO EVILS. GUESS WHO WILL WIN? YES! OBAMA! THERE ARE MORE DEPRIVED THAN THOSE THAT HAVE THE ($$$$).

    IT SEEMS THAT THE MOST COOL PERSON WILL BE THE VOTERS CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT. FOR THE POOR, OBAMA IS MR. COOL. McCAIN HAS SHOWN QUICK TEMPER, MAINLY TO IMPRESS AND DRAW ATTENTION, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN HE MADE IT KNOWN THAT IF HE WERE PRESIDENT, HE WOULD FIRE THE S.E.C. DIRECTOR. WHEN IN FACT THE PRESIDENT DOES NOT HAVE THAT POWER. THAT IS DANGEROUS ACTION WITHOUT DIRECTION; HE IS A LOSE CANNON!

    WHAT? AM I GOING TO VOTE FOR THE TWO LOSE CANNONS? HELL NO! THANKS, BUT NO THANKS! VOTE DEMOCRATE! WHEN THE DEMOCRATS WIN, THE PEOPLE WIN!

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/03/2008 5:16:17 PM

    The Bush Depression

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why isnt obama 25 points ahead
    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    31 states are voting now, dont wait
    Elect Obama Biden 2008




    Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

    • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/03/2008 11:43:21 PM

      Hey Einstein, a few facts for you -
      1. Not only are we not in a depression, we are not even yet in a recession. A recession has been historically defined as 2 or more quarters of negative GDP. We haven't even had one quarter of negative GDP growth. So your hysteria is unfounded.
      2. Deregulation largely took place in 1980, at a time when interest rates were 21% and unemployment in the US was at 10%. All deregulation did was create the longest, richest, most sustained period of economic growth in the history of the world.
      3. No one but a tin foil head like you has ever heard of Bob Proctologist or whatever his name is. And we are supposed to listen to him because of your hysterical ramblings?

      • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 12:09:40 AM

        Okay Einstein, tell that to the millions who have homes in foreclosure that to them the economy does not feel like a recession or depression. Your definition may be technically right, however, if you lost your job, how would it feel to you. Or how would it feel to you if you had to choose between gasoline or food on the table>? How would it feel Einstein to chose to buy expensive medication or lose your house? Since you don't know how to think, why don't you stop posting your moronic comments? You will make people much happier here.

        • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/04/2008 8:41:47 PM

          Here is a real radical thought for you; maybe they should have only taken out a mortgage that they could afford, and then actually make the payments every month! Wow, how revolutionary is that!

          • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 9:44:28 PM

            People who are confused about the mortgage process and still hopeful to acquire a home are easy prey for predatory lenders.

        • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/04/2008 2:43:29 AM

          He has every right to post his moronic comments.

  • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/04/2008 12:55:39 PM

    How many obamamohammeds knew this??????

    Obama has no Law License

    Obama relinquished his Illinois law license in early 2007. Why would
    Obama give up something that provided his primary source of income
    and something he spent so much time and energy obtaining? Andy Martin
    filed a complaint in IL on March 13, 2007 stating that Obama had lied
    on his IL bar application. Obama had 17 outstanding traffic violations
    that he had failed to take care of. Mr. Martin discovered that Obama would not be prosecuted because he no longer had his law license. I contacted Andy Martin and this was his response:

    "Nothing. Obama had already resigned as a lawyer and so they had no jurisdiction over him."
    "Not if they have lost jurisdiction over the individual. They can't punish someone who has resigned, which is why so many corrupt lawyers in Illinois resign before they are disbarred."

    NOBAMA!!!

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/04/2008 4:09:29 PM


      In short, you are one scarey dude.

      • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/04/2008 5:06:47 PM

        Me scary??? What is scary is the fact...red-blooded Americans have been duped into supporting a communist mohammed for POTUS. That is very scary.

        NOBAMA!!!

        • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 7:36:32 PM

          Hey a$$hole sack of sh!t, if you can't say anything nice about Obama, don't sount like a three year old bigot. You don't have to like him; apparently through my readings nobody likes you either except for Jim, another bigot. Your kind will be met with review.

          You better get on your hands and knees and pray for forgivnace. Who the hell are you to talk that way about another person? And you call yourself a Christian? You better ask for to be forgiven by other bloggers here and your church this Sunday. You are something else.

          • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/04/2008 8:45:18 PM

            "Your kind will be met for review"??? LOL, you are such a joke.

            Your name says it all. And wouldn't your time be better spent trying to eradicate the radical faction from your religion? Oh, or maybe you are actually one of them, huh?

            • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 2:23:18 AM

              Two out of three muslims on the planet decry 9/11 and terrorism in their religion's name. Considering that the ones who support terrorism nearly exclusively live in Malaysia and the Middle East, it's exceedingly doubtful that any American muslim you will ever meet will have any ties to terrorism let alone any desire to undermine their family's lives or their livelihood. All of the muslims I have ever met -- which is quite a few -- are proud American citizens who earned their citizenship, open businesses and raise their families mindful of that exalted American Dream.

              muslimsforpresidents doesn't turn off the vitriol, but his message is sound:

              Christian virtue is largely lost on the political right.

              • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/05/2008 9:37:14 AM

                2 out of 3? That means over 30 percent do not "decry terrorism". That's a lot of Muslims. And what of the other 70 percent? They haven't done a thing to police their own.

                • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 12:51:24 PM

                  How can they police "their own"?

                  You act as if Western Muslims have any real sway over the impoverished muslims in the third world.

                  This is an economic issue, and you persist in demonizing a religion.

                  The only reason Islam appeals to third worlders is the insistence on a very real afterlife, and the extremists pitch a culture of forthright political action in the guise of religion which gives third worlders a sense of control over their world, which they otherwise would not have.

                  Successful Muslim businessmen and women who are U.S. citizens do as much as any other demographic to support the American way of life.

                  Those 70% who you claim should police their own have as little to do with third world muslims as you do with the Christian French aristocracy circa 1100 CE. I assume you are Christian; please tell me if I am incorrect.

                  • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/05/2008 1:32:32 PM

                    How can they police their own? By publicly taking a stand and speaking out against terrorism. Here's one reason why they don't.

                    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11192006/postopinion/opedcolumnists/dissent_crushed_opedcolumnists_adam_brodsky.htm?page=0

                    A Google search reveals there are Muslims that do try to speak out, but with 1.3 billion in the world today, that number is insignificant.

                    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 9:43:10 PM

                      Also, considering the cultural thin ice muslims feel they are on in America, they don't want to rock the boat here, either.

                    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 9:41:23 PM

                      Exactly. How can they effect a change?

              • Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/05/2008 7:37:17 AM

                Wow, sounds like you downloaded that from some Arab-American propoganda site, probably word for word

                • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 12:57:30 PM

                  I only do spot research when necessary to prove a point. I realize that you may not agree with opinions, but facts don't lie. If the population growth rate in the U.S. was a significant as it is in third world muslim nations, then the increasing scarcity of resources would probably force us down a similar path. People are people.

            • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/05/2008 2:09:41 AM

              Maybe you need to get Holy and you with Sinclair have a Christian get together, go to church together, and repent and ask for forgivness. I am much nicer now to you, because I realize you don't have a brain.

      • Posted By: sharenews @ 10/04/2008 8:50:05 PM


        Two weeks before the US senator from Illinois launched his presidential campaign, Obama paid parking tickets he received while attending Harvard Law School, officials said yesterday.

        Obama received 17 parking tickets in Cambridge between 1988 and 1991, according to the city's Traffic, Parking & Transportation Department.

        http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/03/08/obama_paid_late_parking_tickets/


        • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/04/2008 10:44:24 PM

          Dude, he paid the fee.

    • Posted By: muslimsforpresidents @ 10/04/2008 1:36:36 PM

      And you have no brains. You sound like somebody who is a drug user from the 60's. Look yourself in the mirror Christian and repent. You probably don't have ba!!s to do that either.

  • Posted By: Mark Steven Zuelke @ 10/04/2008 11:16:48 PM

    Watching the debate, live, with a rowdy room full of supporters, I was absolutely sure Sarah had won the debate. Just watched the debate again, at home, on my own TV. She not only won the debate, she won the campaign. Sarah Palin has what it takes to be vice-president and certainly, if the worst happens, she is FAR BETTER than Biden and beyond comparison to BHO to take over the presidency. Go Sarah!!

    • Posted By: Pia1981 @ 10/05/2008 9:37:30 PM

      Yikes! Delusion land.

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/05/2008 2:07:37 AM

      If you are indeed using your real name in your posts, I salute you. So few on here do, and they rant from the cushy position of anonymity. Good luck in the election!

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/05/2008 8:27:00 PM

    he ACORN does not fall from the tree:
    http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html

  • Posted By: cani77 @ 10/03/2008 5:57:56 PM

    The Bush Depression

    In a few weeks we will make a choice that will decide our future.
    I follow an economist named Bob Proctor. He has called the top and bottom of every market crash since the 70s correctly.
    Also, he perfectly predicted the current real estate market meltdown and the picture he paints about what will happen in the next couple years
    is terrifying.He thinks it will be worse then the great depression.
    The banks in the U.S. are going under one after the other. Countrywide the largest morgage bank in the world,Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch which are 3 out of the top 5 wall street firms. Also, Fanny and Freddy Mae which hold 50 percent of the home loans in the United States.
    The government took them over because they are essentially bankrupt.If they didn't the entire financially system would virtually shut down, the stock market would crash and we would suffer beyond what any of us have seen before.

    McCain just like Bush " doesn't understand the economy".
    That not just my opinion its his own words. Not only does he not understand how to fix it but he does not understand exactly what is broken.
    It is no surprise that he doesn't. The people that make up these securities use complex mathematical models very few people understand.
    Bush and McCain both can take the credit for this mess since they helped deregulate the laws that were protecting us.

    Bush's economic advisor Phil Graham wrote the deregulation bill that allowed banks to take huge risks with all of our future.
    Now, Phil Graham is the head of McCain's economic policy.He is also McCain's choice for the next secretary of the treasury.
    No one in this country can afford for that to happen. The last time Bush met with his economic advisors was in March. He either didn't care or didn't realize that anything was wrong. Phil Graham had the guts to say that we are in a mental recession after he helped create the worst economy meltdown in our lifetime.
    It will take the best and brightest minds in the world to get us out of this nightmare. As bad as Bush has done, McCain would be
    even more destructive because things are in much worse shape. The next president will not inherit a surplus like Bush did but a tanking economy and a 11,600,000,000,000 (trillion) dollars deficit.Bush created a national debt larger then the first 42 presidents combined
    If you do what you have always done then you will get what you have always got.
    When it comes to policy Bush and McCain are the same 90 percent of the time.
    So why isnt obama 25 points ahead
    The chairman of McCains campaign recently said that people don't vote on issues they vote on a personality composite. Which means he is trying to sell you personality instead of results.
    Let's teach him we are smarter than that .

    31 states are voting now, dont wait
    Elect Obama Biden 2008




    Check out this video of sarah palins interview before you vote


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36Xc0GG4iQ

    • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/03/2008 9:39:50 PM

      So why isn't Obama 25 points ahead? Great question! Especially since he owns the MSM! Maybe it's because there's too many unanswered questions about him. His relationships you and other worshipers have swept under the rug. And the Clinton surplus was a myth... do a little research. Just about everybody knows this now. And speaking of Clinton, he is the one who signed legislation that forced lenders into risky loans. Both Bush and McCain understand the economy better than Obama, who did nothing to stop Fannie and Freddie. Bush and McCain pushed for legislation to reign in Fannie and Freddie, but were stopped by your friends, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Naturally, you don't mention these facts because they are not your agenda.

      In the end, your post is mostly spin, and of course, your opinion.

      • Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/04/2008 10:25:39 AM

        Obama owns the mainstream media?

        Didn't McCain used to call the media his "base"?

        I wonder, what caused the shift in coverage?

        • Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/04/2008 11:36:47 AM

          I don't remember him saying that. But please, tell everyone with a straight face the MSM doesn't support Obama.

          • Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/05/2008 3:53:32 PM

            He had a straight face, coz i saw it.

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