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  • Posted By: aguasticas @ 09/29/2008 1:14:21 PM

    You compare Reagan to Churchill? What have you been smoking? Your article is weak and really uninformative much. It's your take on these guys. It's for lack of a better phrase, common wisdom. McCain is a hotdog. His pick of Palen was a jab at the world, crassly political, and totally at odds with his mantra of country first. He is a fighter jock, a trouble-maker, and a war-monger. Every foreign policy attitude he has can be related to Vietnam, a war Big John would still be fighting if he could. He would be disastrous for the country. If he croaked in office, Palen would be disaster compounded. Bush would look like a genius by comparison. Having said all that, because 65% of Americans are eaten up with dumb, it may be McCain, in which case, buckle your seat belt. SAM incoming.

  • Posted By: haynessemperfi @ 09/29/2008 10:00:21 AM

    It isn't who won. It's what won.

    Always ask after you watch a debate, not who won, but what lost and what won.





    Militarism won.
    Boondoggle star wars won.
    Corruption won.
    Corporate crime won.
    Bailouts for Wall Street won.
    Nuclear power won.
    Aggressive NATO won.


    What Lost?
    Peace advocates lost.
    Consumers lost.
    Workers lost.
    Solar energy really lost.

    You ought to ask what they don't talk about, what they ignore, what they avoid. Both of these candidates are vying to get into the White House so they can take orders from their corporate paymasters.

    That's what it's all about. Corporate government or the people???s government? That's why we're running: to make a people's government.

    When you ask what won you get a clear view that these two candidates are really afraid of challenging corporate power. It's our job to make them more afraid of the people than big business.


    www.votenader.org

    • Posted By: ahwait a minute @ 09/29/2008 11:54:54 AM

      hey, they only had 90,minutes.

      • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/29/2008 1:03:33 PM


        Not a football game, Dude.

    • Posted By: ahwait a minute @ 09/29/2008 11:56:45 AM

      geez,they only had 90 minutes

  • Posted By: Cantabrigian @ 09/29/2008 12:32:08 PM

    The truth as NObama sees it! NOBAMA is all pretense, plus hidden intimidation.

    The NObama is asking law enforcement officials across the state of Missouri to join its "truth squad" and target anyone promoting or disseminating untrue or misleading material about their candidate. Police, sheriffs and prosecutors will be cracking down on what they call violations of Missouri's ethics laws, which are to include these kinds of incidents . . .

    SO, FOLKS, quit drinking the Kool Aid and let your head clear to enable you to understand the hidden psyche of this man (NObama) and his hidden agenda. You think you want his kind of "change." No bloody likely.

    • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/29/2008 12:51:16 PM

      The only "hidden intimidation" here, is the one in your head
      and the one you attempt to pass along to us.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 09/29/2008 12:44:02 PM

      Thank you cant-hava-brain. You are the cat's meow. Or doggy-dung. Why do you even post?

    • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/29/2008 12:38:36 PM

      What are you talking about?

      Really.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/29/2008 9:31:12 AM

    Kwansi Mifune warned of increased terrorist attacks if his candidate lost. "The world is very angry at us right now. An American can't walk down the Ramblas in Barcelona without getting spit on. Can you imagine what would happen if Barack lost?"

    • Posted By: play hard but play fair @ 09/29/2008 10:19:04 AM

      There is no Obama spokesperson named Kwansi Mifune (except in the fevered imaginations of right-wing commenters). The name seems to be a combination of Kweisi Mfume, former Chairperson of the NAACP and Congressperson from Maryland and Toshiro Mifune, the great Japanese film actor,

      • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/29/2008 12:49:52 PM

        It's OK. Josemarti typifies the McCain supporters on here: desperate and bitter.

        If he thought McCain had any real shot at winning, he'd spend his time speaking truth on issues. It seems he doesn't care that his candidate is losing by as big a margin as we've seen in the race thus far. And slipping further every day...

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/29/2008 9:28:52 AM

    A confident Senator Obama has begun to organize his cabinet according to his spokesman Kwansi Mifune. "Barack believes that he has this thing won" said Mr. Mifune.

    • Posted By: play hard but play fair @ 09/29/2008 10:18:31 AM

      There is no Obama spokesperson named Kwansi Mifune (except in the fevered imaginations of right-wing commenters). The name seems to be a combination of Kweisi Mfume, former Chairperson of the NAACP and Congressperson from Maryland and Toshiro Mifune, the great Japanese film actor,

      • Posted By: it's about the future @ 09/29/2008 12:41:46 PM

        The wierd things is that Fiction-in-Chief-Writer Jose and his ficiitious spokesman Mifune
        swing around spreading crazy but dangerous stuff about whoever.

    • Posted By: play hard but play fair @ 09/29/2008 10:14:02 AM

      A quick google search shows that there is no Obama spokesperson named Kwansi Mifune (except in the fevered imaginations of right-wing commenters). The name seems to be a combination of Kweisi Mfume, former congressman from Maryland and NAACP chairperson, and Toshiro Mifune, the great Japanese film actor.

      • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/29/2008 10:34:01 AM

        Mr. Mifune was previously known as Billy Budd. Mr. Budd only recently changed his name to Kwansi Mifune while serving time for tax evasion. That explains why you could not find him in your search. You should search under Billy Budd.

      • Posted By: rrdalton @ 09/29/2008 10:24:38 AM

        While josemarti's other posts have been more obvious, Kwansi is definately a fictional character through which he/she lampoons the positions of the Obama camp. You may not find it funny but it is, in fact, a joke.

  • Posted By: the pointt @ 09/29/2008 12:28:24 PM

    Well Mr. Obama should have been vetted by the main stream media.Mr Rezco is cooperating with the feds and turning on the messiah as well as the gov. of Illinois. The Obama Indictment is coming.

    • Posted By: Alvy @ 09/29/2008 12:33:17 PM

      Stupid American. Wishful, but stupid.

  • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/29/2008 12:31:51 PM

    I was disappointed, at the time, that so many American voters didn't see through the scam (even after previously authenticating the obvious fake "fat Bin Laden tape") of Bush's CIA "authenticating" a tape recording of bin Laden doing a campaign spot for George Bush (and it was FOR George Bush....even bin Laden himself, had he actually still been alive, would have clearly recognized how American voters would react to an apparent statement by America's most hated enemy, advocating a particular candidate or point of view before an American election).

    And as the article notes: "Four years ago, in 2004, a videotape of a very-much-alive Osama bin Laden stymied John Kerry's bid by sending worried voters back to the seemingly tougher Republican ticket (despite the fact that the very same Republican ticket had been unsuccessfully searching for the very same bin Laden for more than three years)."

  • Posted By: Give ME! @ 09/29/2008 8:47:02 AM

    1. HELP SUPPORT THE GAY AND LESBIAN AGENDA.
    2. HELP SUPPORT LATE TERM ABORATIONS.

    PLEASE VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: neos @ 09/29/2008 8:59:13 AM

      1. Aborations???
      2. TROLL ALERT !!!!!!

      • Posted By: Give ME! @ 09/29/2008 11:30:01 AM

        Abortions.
        Educated Idiot Alert.
        At least I have the sense to vote for Obama and a whole lot of others like me.

  • Posted By: dunnhaupt @ 09/29/2008 10:49:44 AM

    McCain was a hotheaded gambler and hazardeur all his life -- the terms Maverick or Hero are mere camouflage. His staff fears his violent outbursts, his unthinking impulsiveness got us Sarah Palin. Shooting first, and thinking later may be fun in cowboy movies, but it spells disaster in a national leader. I fail to see how voters could have preferred him over more qualified Republicans in the primaries, since he is dangerous and totally out of touch -- a sad remnant from the bad old days of the Cold War.

  • Posted By: floridacadman @ 09/29/2008 10:46:55 AM

    The world needs parrots too jose.

  • Posted By: josemarti @ 09/29/2008 10:30:43 AM

    Mr. Obama plans to reform CIA. "Barack will fire anyone who was involved in the development of the AIDS virus." said Kwansi Mifune a spokesperson for the Obama campaign.

  • Posted By: floridacadman @ 09/29/2008 9:54:47 AM

    Ref. Give ME; Leave it to a "die hard" republican to be more concerned with what 2 men do in private with their privates, than a war. A war , by the way, that kills our children. Or is it ok to kill them after they turn 18, but wait, pro-life....anti-life? oh yeah, i get it...a fetus is so precious a womans rights should be thrown out, but an 18year old boy is garbage...got it, thanks!

  • Posted By: mijoh1 @ 09/29/2008 9:38:28 AM

    In all seriousness, we can see that McCain is a shoot from the hip and ask questions later kind of guy. He would have made a good president 20-30 years ago. However, with all that is going on in the world today, we do not need an impulsive cowboy for president right now. His time has passed. There are a lot of storms coming and we need a calm steady hand who can inspire Americans to come together so that we can get through the hard times that are to come and move the country foward into the 21st century. It is time to put the cold war, failed trickle down voodoo economics, and devisive politics behind us. A guy who makes rash decisions and tends to gamble everything for little gain is just what the country does NOT need in these times. Last week's behavior by the two candidates sealed the deal for me and many others.

    Obama 08

  • Posted By: Red Dirt Brother @ 09/28/2008 4:35:47 PM

    The lie about anti-abortion is that all life is not precious. There are countless infants, toddlers, and children alive nationally and internationally that have no human rights or laws to protect them. Human Service agencies from states fail at the safety, welfare and health of many childiren in their prospective communities while maintaining skeleton staffing. Lets be real here. Where is the money really going? So much for being the greatest nation on earth. If we are going to socialize Wall Street, why not socialize free lunches/books for schools or rape kits Palin charges rape victims in AK. Thank God Jesus wasn't born yesterday, Palin might have had him killed today with her rape or incest abortionist zeal? The plain fact is the world is watching to see if America has grown up yet and sadly, many Americans are happy it hasn't. America is turning into Russia and China is where America was in 1970. Go figure!

    • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/28/2008 4:41:42 PM

      The attempt to rationalize the murder...of the only truly innocent, among us...is absurd and a sin. The opinions and values of the far left, is truly astonishing......it will not work...America is still under the protection...of The Chosen One of Israel...and ain't nothing ya'll can do about it.

      A mohammed in the White House??? God forbid...and He has.

      NOBAMA!!!

      • Posted By: tayja76 @ 09/28/2008 4:54:14 PM

        Again your to funny holy roller, Running around putting your principles of Christianty up in judgement of other people. Wow wonder what Jesus is going to say to you when you meet him. I wonder if he is going to judge you like you judge other people.....OH that right he is!! As for your hate of muslim people, I wonder if that hate goes over to the muslim men and women who are fighting in the US army for your rights. I guess their not good enough to run for president either. Risking their lives for you is not good enough. And stop your LIEING OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM! You just call him that so you won't have to call him another name you really want to say.

        • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/28/2008 5:05:29 PM

          Sure he is....denial of it, in no way diminishes the fact....he is verifiable shown to have been Muslim in Indonesia. By written record and eyewitness account. Has he renounced it??? Not to my knowledge...and he has not been declared apostate...so...I guess he is still a mohammed in good standing.

          As for hating Muslims...I don't...unless they try to cause harm to non-muslims....It is the cult itself....It has enslaved millions...and is a creation of a partnership between a fallen Angel and a pedophile warrior. Islam is filth.

          NOBAMA!!!

          • Posted By: befair @ 09/28/2008 5:17:31 PM

            Barack Obama was four years old when his mother took him to Indonesia. He was almost ten years old when he came back to Hawaii, where he was born, to live with his American grandparents. His mother came back shortly after he did. He did not pick his parents, he did not choose his name and he did not get to decide where he would be living when he was a little boy. He is an American and he is a Christian. He is a good man with good judgement and intellect and the temperament to be President of the United States. What you may or may not believe as far as religion goes is up to you. You live in a country that lets you choose. Clearly you chose and you need to let other people do the same. The fact that you are a Christian does not give you any right what so ever to force your views on anyone else.

            • Posted By: HolyRoller @ 09/28/2008 5:25:41 PM

              He was a practising mohammed in Indonesia...Going to The Trinity Temple of Hell, in no way makes him a Christian....far from it...I'm sure he chose it...because it reminded him of his hometown mosque.

              As for being American...that is still up for debate...Dual citizen most likely....a Judge is going to figure it out. We will know pretty soon...lots of info leads to the conclusion...he was born in Kenya. If so...he is ineligible to be POTUS. We will know soon enough.

              Keep up with the lawsuit at...www.obamacrimes.com That is the official site...run by the Plaintiff...Philip Berg Esq. former Deputy Attny. Gen of Pennsylvania.

              NOBAMA!!!

              • Posted By: befair @ 09/28/2008 5:54:50 PM

                You have to prove the statements you make. The American people are dealing with what is proven. We are not interested in close-minded dramatic attempts to tell lies and then run away. Obama did not choose what school or church to go to when he was a little boy. Your refusal to aknowledge any mistakes in your posts makes it easier for us to discount all of what you say. No judge is working on whether Obama is American or not, his birth certificate is available in Hawaii where official documents are kept. There was a case however that involved determining whether McCain could run since he in fact was not born on American soil. That is no longer an issue either.

                • Posted By: bcotton131 @ 09/29/2008 9:05:48 AM

                  holyroller you are a NUT and a religious bigot.Please go back to Fox News they welcome your kind

          • Posted By: maliles @ 09/28/2008 9:22:14 PM

            If you are talking about the school he attended while in Indonesia, that was a Catholic private school, you need to recheck your facts. Every major news organization has discredited the idea it was a Muslim school. If you are talking about the outfit he was wearing in the picture that was circulating then you need to get out more. I guess if an American female went to the Middle East and had to wear the attire they are required to wear she is a Muslim. I guess all these Archeologist and Sociologist who study other cultures and dress as the culture dresses are members and believers in that culture.

            As a studying Sociologist I can tell you that the quickest way to gain trust and respect in a foreign culture is to adopt their style of dress, their cultural norms. I think you need to take some lessons on this issue of culture because it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.

            Finally if you are talking about the rumor that Obama swore in on the Koran then you need to check the Congressional record.

            • Posted By: benkrapf @ 09/29/2008 2:48:31 AM

              HolyRoller would do well in 12th century France. Not so well in our society. Thankfully people like HR here are few amongst us.

          • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/28/2008 7:23:32 PM

            Good to see you too, Roller.

            Wait, no, it's not.

          • Posted By: treetracker @ 09/28/2008 6:42:51 PM

            I can assure you he is not a Muslim - if he was Michelle would be walking BEHIND him, not BESIDE him. And I can assure you Michelle would never walk through life as someone's chattel. I think you need to go read your Bible Holy Roller 'cause you certainly don't live by the principles of Christ's teachings.

  • Posted By: floridacadman @ 09/29/2008 8:42:48 AM

    Im Still convinced the most important issue on the table is this war. The economy will settle out after the smoke clears from 8 years of total neglect. But McCain actually thinks we can win a war with shadows, thats scarey. And, you certainly cant be concerned with Russia, Afgan or Korea with our forces spread so thin. Our muscle and therefore influence in the regions are waining, and they all know it. Not to mention, like Vietnam, the second we leave, the vacuum will fill with another nutjob and the fighting will continue, because thats what they do there, for 1000s of years.

  • Posted By: caraprado @ 09/29/2008 6:37:25 AM

    From:
    Head of State
    http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/anger-entitlement-and-contempt.html

    Saturday, September 27, 2008
    What A Debate Reveals: Anger, Entitlement and Contempt

    What I found shocking reflecting on last night's debate was how angry and entitled McCain was, in a very open way.

    McCain's manner was one of that who believed he should not even be on the same stage with this person. This indicates a person of extreme rights and extreme wrongs, not a statesmanlike persona, but an angry and impulsive one.

    McCain carries strong ideas of what a liberal is, ideas that very little from his cherished ideas of who betrayed the nation during the Vietnam war. A stock character, driven and created by his own rage, carried, as it has been since the '70s, with a virtual ideological blindness--blinded by a contemptuous rage--that there are others who cannot understand the world the way he can. This is not judgment, but angry certainty. This is not readiness, but a just-contained rage that he should be confronted by such ideas.

    You can see it in his constricted "can you believe it" rage at one who disagrees with him. This kind of contemptuous, angry dismissal of others ideas leads easily into the impulsive decisions of the last few months--generated with barely contained contemptuous rejection of those who would reject his ideas--only the most recent forms of those essential constructs--a contemptible media, easily fed with false notions and panaceas, as he believes they were earlier in his life; intellectuals, whose reason and deliberation is contrasted with the sharp, impulsive action that for his life has constituted a certain knowledge, and an angry, certain need to sweep away those who would stand in the path of righteous certainty.

    What is beautifully ironic is how McCain maintains this contempt even as he switches from one position to another in the opportunistic second--this is when the look of contempt and entitlement turns, for a moment, to anxiety and panic.

    Soon, however, the gaze is back. No matter what the new position is--impulsively determined, desperately grasped--if only "they" knew better. If only "they" knew the truth.

    This kind of ideological rigidity and certainty (note how Obama could not contain himself from smiling when McCain attempted to compare him to Bush in that regard) combined with impulsive decision making, from the "gut" of sure knowledge, is what has created the outcomes of the past 8 years.

    It was--in a setting where one would not expect it to be, where one would expect McCain to contain it--glaring apparent last night.

    This is an amplification of the last 8 years rather than a change.

    We do not need to experience this type of decision making again.

    Cite:
    Head of State
    http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/anger-entitlement-and-contempt.html

  • Posted By: caraprado @ 09/29/2008 6:36:51 AM

    From:
    Head of State
    http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/anger-entitlement-and-contempt.html

    Saturday, September 27, 2008
    What A Debate Reveals: Anger, Entitlement and Contempt

    What I found shocking reflecting on last night's debate was how angry and entitled McCain was, in a very open way.

    McCain's manner was one of that who believed he should not even be on the same stage with this person. This indicates a person of extreme rights and extreme wrongs, not a statesmanlike persona, but an angry and impulsive one.

    McCain carries strong ideas of what a liberal is, ideas that very little from his cherished ideas of who betrayed the nation during the Vietnam war. A stock character, driven and created by his own rage, carried, as it has been since the '70s, with a virtual ideological blindness--blinded by a contemptuous rage--that there are others who cannot understand the world the way he can. This is not judgment, but angry certainty. This is not readiness, but a just-contained rage that he should be confronted by such ideas.

    You can see it in his constricted "can you believe it" rage at one who disagrees with him. This kind of contemptuous, angry dismissal of others ideas leads easily into the impulsive decisions of the last few months--generated with barely contained contemptuous rejection of those who would reject his ideas--only the most recent forms of those essential constructs--a contemptible media, easily fed with false notions and panaceas, as he believes they were earlier in his life; intellectuals, whose reason and deliberation is contrasted with the sharp, impulsive action that for his life has constituted a certain knowledge, and an angry, certain need to sweep away those who would stand in the path of righteous certainty.

    What is beautifully ironic is how McCain maintains this contempt even as he switches from one position to another in the opportunistic second--this is when the look of contempt and entitlement turns, for a moment, to anxiety and panic.

    Soon, however, the gaze is back. No matter what the new position is--impulsively determined, desperately grasped--if only "they" knew better. If only "they" knew the truth.

    This kind of ideological rigidity and certainty (note how Obama could not contain himself from smiling when McCain attempted to compare him to Bush in that regard) combined with impulsive decision making, from the "gut" of sure knowledge, is what has created the outcomes of the past 8 years.

    It was--in a setting where one would not expect it to be, where one would expect McCain to contain it--glaring apparent last night.

    This is an amplification of the last 8 years rather than a change.

    We do not need to experience this type of decision making again.

    Cite:
    Head of State
    http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/09/anger-entitlement-and-contempt.html

  • Posted By: sidetracked @ 09/29/2008 5:03:03 AM

    During the debate, and many times before, John McCain accused Barack Obama of being willing to ???lose??? the Iraq war.
    What does Sen. McCain think 'winning' in Iraq is? Who exactly would surrender to us to allow us that moment of triumph? Is ???victory??? in the sense that McCain uses it even possible?
    The mistake is confusing Iraq with wars like Vietnam and WW II where there was a clear enemy we were trying to defeat.
    By that standard the war in Iraq should have ended long ago. The war was sold to Congress and the American people as a war against Sadaam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.
    Well, Sadaam is long dead and there were no weapons of mass destruction, so by that measure we ???won??? several years back.
    But the goal posts were moved, and the Iraq war went from being a war against a brutal dictator to being part of the global war on terror.
    The ???war on terror??? is not a war against a specific aggressor in a specific place. It???s far more akin to the War on Drugs, or the War on Cancer or the War on Crime, or Poverty.
    It???s a war that can only be won in increments, on many different fronts. A war that must involve diplomacy and bridge building as well as military might. A war that will involve supporting moderate Arab states, protecting our ports, and building alliances. Even if Osama Bin Laden was captured tomorrow, the war on terror wouldn???t be over. As has been admitted by military and political leaders across the political spectrum, there will probably never be a moment the war is ???won???. Only advances to be made.
    So, in that context, Sen. Obama???s suggestion that we re-allocate our resources in that war is no call for admitting defeat, but intelligent recognition that we should be using our national treasure and risking the lives of our young men and women with the greatest of care, and only where they will do the most good. Far from being defeatist, that is simply sound military strategy.
    Let???s take another of these ???wars???, the ???War on Cancer???. Suppose the current administration was pouring billions into fighting one rare form of the disease that most experts felt wouldn???t help in the search for a global cure, while ignoring lung cancer, colon cancer and others that killed thousands of American???s each year.
    If Sen., Obama were to point this out, and say we should re-allocate those research funds to help save more lives, does that means he advocates ???losing??? the war on cancer? No, it would simply be sound ???big picture??? thinking, -- something John McCain seems frighteningly lacking in.

  • Posted By: GregHere @ 09/29/2008 4:30:43 AM

    ..........................................McCain calls himself a Maverick and makes surprised impetuous decisions that I do not mostly agree with......he seems UnPresidential to me and more like a Loose Cannon that misfires alot. Sarah Palin is calling herself a Maverick now also and makes wild unwise statements and comments in retort to the questioning she gets....she seems terribly Inexperienced!!
    McCain will be 76 years old plus if he is in office at the end of the next Presidential Term, he will be a Walking Lame Duck for much of a first term and dealing with failing health mentally and physically with Palin standing in for him during any hospitalizations or times of incapacity....I call that BAD FOR AMERICA. McCain could have a protracted illness and die in office and then he would be a Dead Duck. And the inexperienced Palin would be our President, the Wolf Killing very inexperienced Maverick that she claims to be..............America should be able to see this and not fall for the political jive and fluffed up hype that McCain and Palin are dumping on us......think about this deeply!!!!

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