The Vices of Their Virtues

Trevor Lyman is the man who organized the Ron Paul money bombs.

One Lyman money bomb raised $4 million in one day.

Another raised $6 million in one day.

Now, Lyman is at it again.

Lyman wants to hold a third party debate in New York City.

Lyman was inspired by Ron Paul's press conference a couple of weeks ago.

At that press conference, Paul called on his followers to ditch the two major parties and throw their support to one of the independent or third party candidates.

So, we all need to support Lyman's push for an alternative debate now.

If Lyman gets 10,000 pledges by October 8, he and the other sponsors will organize a debate in New York City.

All major candidates -- Nader, Barr, McKinney, Baldwin, Obama and McCain will be invited.

Already, with no publicity, Lyman has close to 1,000 pledgers.

So go to thirdpartyticket.com now.


And add your name to the pledge list.

You don't have to say how much you are pledging.

Just add your name.

The Commission on Presidential Debates won't let Ralph debate.

So, let's get behind Trevor Lyman's push now.


Let's crank it up.

And get it done.

Trevor Lyman is the man who organized the Ron Paul money bombs.

One Lyman money bomb raised $4 million in one day.

Another raised $6 million in one day.

Now, Lyman is at it again.

Lyman wants to hold a third party debate in New York City.

Lyman was inspired by Ron Paul's press conference a couple of weeks ago.

At that press conference, Paul called on his followers to ditch the two major parties and throw their support to one of the independent or third party candidates.

So, we all need to support Lyman's push for an alternative debate now.

If Lyman gets 10,000 pledges by October 8, he and the other sponsors will organize a debate in New York City.

All major candidates -- Nader, Barr, McKinney, Baldwin, Obama and McCain will be invited.

Already, with no publicity, Lyman has close to 1,000 pledgers.

So go to thirdpartyticket.com now.


And add your name to the pledge list.

You don't have to say how much you are pledging.

Just add your name.

The Commission on Presidential Debates won't let Ralph debate.

So, let's get behind Trevor Lyman's push now.


Let's crank it up.

And get it done.


www.votenader.org

this is in response to a comment I saw earlier. I found many sites with differing accounts and this is the real truth, take it or leave it.

This is in relation to senator obama's voting record on Ill. BAIPA
The anti-choice anti-Obama strategy is based on Obama's clear "no" votes on the "Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act," or BAIPA. Leading anti-choice blogger Jill Stanek, who testified in the Illinois state Senate on behalf of the bill, has played a key role in disseminating this anti-Obama argument in the right-wing blogosphere. Taking the bait, former presidential candidate Sen. Sam Brownback, in a fundraising email to supporters of his political action committee last month, excoriated Obama for opposing BAIPA. And in a Feb. 26 editorial, the National Catholic Register fumed, "Obama wouldn't even protect children born alive by mistake during abortion attempts."

But BAIPA isn't really about protecting infants; it is anti-abortion rights legislation crafted by the hard right. BAIPA targets the abortion procedure known as dilation and extraction, which anti-choicers have so successfully re-branded as "partial birth abortion." Dilation and extraction accounts for less than one-fifth of one percent of all American abortions, and is used most often to end wanted pregnancies in which expectant parents learn their baby will not be viable outside of the womb. During the operation, the fetus' skull is capsized inside of the woman, after which labor is induced and she delivers the fetus. It is a wrenching process, but one that allows a woman or couple to grieve and bring closure to a pregnancy by holding the intact fetus. It also decreases scarring, bleeding, and pain inside of a woman's uterus and vagina.

found this at http://www.alternet.org/rights/80556/smearing_obama's_record_on_choice/

voting present allows someone to maintain an alliance with a conservative that is for such a bill as BAIPA, while not supporting it. Basically, you dont outright hurt my bill and I'll reciprocate.

opinion: do we want a prez who shouts down his own allies, doesn't know tht much about the position of prez (as evidenced by saying things like he'd fire the SEC guy), nor can unite people but is actually divisive(they had a working coalition b4 mccain arrived some 3 days late to washington, the next day this fell apart)? The logical answer, will always be no.
Obama '08

Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac: Note who tried to reform and who votes present:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM&feature=related

So, if Obama is calm and rational, he's accused of being "cold and distant," which is code for "elitist," which is code for "uppity." And if he were to show too much indignation, he would be accused of being an angry black man.

Seriously, come on. McCain isn't a "hot head," nor is Obama cold and distant. Isn't your job to provide us with news? Have you heard there is a problem with the economy? Hey, I understand we are at war, too.

Senator John McCain picked Governor Sarah Palin because he intends to follow through and make his Project Lexington for United States energy independence the dominant issue in this campaign. Governor Sarah Palin is a strong supporter of increased offshore drilling and she knows that Alaska has an offshore coastline greater than the rest of the country combined and is also comes in second among the states in oil production. Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and John McCain understand that Obama and the Democrats would never consider government loan guarantees or tax breaks for a sure thing that will produce energy for the American gas tank. In fact Democrats are trying to put together a so-called windfall profits tax which will have the effect of discouraging future investment in the United States oil industry. John McCain also knows that Governor Sarah Palin family situation also illustrates that longterm Democratic leadership hostility and policies toward United States owned energy companies have caused our current energy crisis. Her husband works for British Petroleum but instead should be working for the former American owned Arco Oil Company. Arco Oil Company developed and explored the Alaska North Slope and formerly owned eighty percent of our proven Alaskan reserves. With its substantial oil reserves Arco Oil Company should have bought British Petroleum instead of British Petroleum buying out Arco Oil Company during the second Bill Clinton administration. With the right business environment and support from both political parties in the United States, Arco Oil Company might have been more successful and been able to buy out British Petroleum instead of British Petroleum buying out Arco Oil Company. Look at Apple Computer and Microsoft. Their success in the computer world have made them bullet proof to corporate takeovers. Longterm Democratic hostility and opposition to offshore drilling and periodic talk of windfall profits taxes contributed to the takeover of Arco Oil Company.

Democrats should be happy, oil companies are not making record profits selling gas because there is now no gas to sell. Democrats have finally accomplished their goal in the Southeast. Independent voters do not like running out of gas or waiting hours in gas lines.
Why should Barack Obama insist that the removing the offshore ban should be part of a comprehensive energy ban? Why should it be a bargaining chip. Lifting the offshore oil drilling ban is the right and appropriate thing to do and should not have been used as a Democratic leadership fillibuster or extorsion tool to extract concessions on other issues. The current gas lines and closed gas stations with no gas in the Southeast including Georgia and North Carolina are just a prelude of what we can expect under Barack Obama and Joe Biden energy policies of limited offshore exploration and no new refineries. Although these gas lines are an immediate result of the recent hurricane Ike that hit Galveston and the Gulf coast, they are indicative of the tenuous nature of our refinery capacity and existing supplies of petroleum. Our refineries have been stretched to their limits for decades. Do you think, oil companies are going to invest in the future in new refineries in the United States given the tepid Democratic Party leadership support of the oil industry and their insistence on mandates for alternative energy sources. Oil companies would have to be crazy to invest even a nickel in new refineries or even do basic repairs to existing refineries. It is also a shame that the gas lines and empty gas stations are mainly in the Southeast which will become Redstates for McCain/Palin next month. It would be more poetic justice that the blue states of the northeast should suffer from the gas shortages caused by their Democratic leadership. The Northeast has been lockstep in their opposition to offshore oil drilling, nuclear power, clean coal, and even wind energy in the Massachusetts Bay area.

There are thousands of men and women that have spilled blood for our country; however, that doesn't mean they should be president. I respect Senator McCain contributed to our country but it time to look to the future instead of looking backwards.

One thing I noticed about McCains demeanor was he became wimpish, I don't know if this was some drug he was taking so he didn't lose his temper in public or senility or both, but it started just after his anger was an issue many months ago.

It was also during that period he made some really strange confused statements, he has been to Iraq 8 times and yet confused Sunni and Shiite, thought Iraq had a common border with Afghanistan, confused al Qaeda with Iraqi insurgents, Katy Couric actually altered an interview because of his confusion in her interview of him.

Considering McCains statement he "hates all gooks and always will" and given the fact "gooks" represent a very large percentage of the worlds population and numerous countries.
His demeanor has changed lately and was notable in the debate so I suspect they have reduced the dosage.
But if McCain is elected he will have to be kept on tranquilizers or stronger or it's on to WWIII