In a sick pathetic way the the misdeeds caused by the 19 murderers of 9/11 have worked!
We needed our leaders to see them for who they were- they were murders of a small religious alliance hell bent on assassination. Their number one goal was to destroy our economy and divide our nation!
We needed our leaders to exemplify diplomacy, composure, cunning and the understanding that "terrorism evokes the opposites of such qualities!"
Bottom line 9/11 happened under GOP watch...
To which the Bush/GOP circus began...
Iraq was contrived through subversion and duplicity...
Afghanistan, the real war is worse off today then it was five years ago...
the economy is a free fall...
the energy bill for the last eight years, well there was no bill...
Katrina, lack of oversight for the mortgage and banking meltdown, record bankruptcies, war profiteering
record federal deficit , no health care, voted not to extend benefits to veterans???
All this under the Bush/GOP!
Conservatism is a dismal failure, the proof is in your house equity, your bank accounts, your paycheck, it???s on Wallstreet, its on the shelves of your supermarket, its on the corner gas station, its in Arlington and it is still on on the streets and in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan.
It???s in the defiance of Pakistan, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea and now China!
And the old personal song and dance about character, vision and dignity played out across the nation. ???Bush has character, he has vision, he is honest, experienced!???
We all know that was an aberration.
And we all know conservatives want to plug in the same theology the same ideology from yet another legislator that represents the same betrayal, greed and the duplicity that has buried us to this point!
War is won or lost by the rightness and decency of the participants!
As the greatness of a nations history goes we have never lost a war when we were right but now we have lost wars because we were ideologically wrong!
It???s not just about strength its about wisdom and justice.
American qualities that have been inactive during the past seven plus years of conservative politics!
Qualities that Bush/Mccain and his neocon browbeaters never did grasp!
We will be living with his these failures for generations to come! There are no trees high enough for such people!
The Vices of Their Virtues
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 1:19:46 PM
For 1000th time, proven time lines show that 9/11 was planned and implemented during the Clinton years, long before Bush took office.
The current financial mess we're also has it's roots in Bill Clinton, who passed legislation that forced lenders into unsafe lending practices. Both Bush and McCain fought for reform legislation in 2003 and 2005, but was stopped by Democrats Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.
The rest of your drivel isn't worth commenting on.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 2:11:51 PM
It happened eight months into Bush's presidency. it happened on his watch, the buck stops there.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 4:20:05 PM
I knew you'd show up. Only in your forever closed, liberal mind.
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/02/2008 4:25:12 PM
So I take it that Bush's and McCain's fanatical clinging to the teat of deregulation over the last few years... helped?
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 5:39:40 PM
Blame your bosom liberal buddies Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for blocking Bush legislation to stop the mess.
Barney Frank, 2003 in response to Bush administration overhaul plan.
"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing".
John McCain, 2005
"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole".
Obama and his democrat buddies never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Never has this been more true than now in the face of a financial crisis in this country. A financial crisis Clinton
his party created. And Obama, the candidate of change, was in bed with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac yet he criticizes John McCain, who along with George Bush, tried to fix the problem.-
Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/02/2008 5:49:06 PM
Terrific response, and spot on.
Any minute now BenCrap and his liberal buddies will come back with something completely off-subject that will include meaningless code-words like Halliburton, Katrina, and their favorite of all, calling anyone who disagrees with them a racist.-
Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/03/2008 2:28:11 AM
BTW, why would disagreement have anything to do with racism?
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/03/2008 2:25:50 AM
Jimbo! I was feeling lonely.
Actually, try on "Keating 5"...
Or take your pick of McCain's support of deregulation legislation...
Or the fact that McCain wholeheartedly denied funding to clean energy initiatives until it became a politically untenable position, thus affecting his ability to run for POTUS.
Fact, the Manhattan Project-level clean energy initiative Obama has detailed will generate whole industries' worth of new jobs. That will raise the middle class and America can bail itself out, with no cockamamie schemes.
Who needs to talk about Katrina? I'd rather talk about the kick-a-thon my school's doing to support some of the families affected by Hurricane Ike.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/02/2008 10:35:08 PM
SARAH ROCKS!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/03/2008 12:32:37 AM
Sarah got rocked. Check every poll. Holding your own on a few questions and regurgitating memorized answers is not the same as reasoning and a command of the facts.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 10:51:31 PM
Really enjoyed the SNL skit with Tina Fey didya? Oh, wait. That was the real Sarah Palin.? Wow, she's kinda like a rock, only dumber.
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Posted By: HolyRoller @ 10/03/2008 12:09:35 AM
I warned you...She SMOKED Joe Blowhard.....it's called...the Annointing....Biden LIED about a dozen times, and LOST the debate badly.
NOBAMA!!!
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 10:47:32 PM
Yes she did!!!!!!
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Posted By: mnnngj @ 10/03/2008 12:26:22 AM
impulsive and unpredictable - McCain qualities that we certainly do not need.
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Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/02/2008 11:51:16 PM
Interesting. You people (I am being gracious) get your viewpoint of the world from Saturday Night Live. Is neos beevis or butthead?
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Posted By: Go Eagles @ 10/02/2008 3:18:17 PM
All we need to know about how Obama would govern is to look at his record in Illinois. Read his campaign promises when he ran for Senator they were filled with empty promises of change and reform he never followed through on. Illinois has had one of the worst economies for many years. Young people leave the state in droves. There schools are some of the worst in the nation. They have high crime and a murder rate higher than New York. Lovely campaign speeches mean nothing when a person has no record of action. How could Obama fix the country when he couldn't even do anything to fix his own state. Do the research on his background for yourself, be an informed voter.
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Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/02/2008 5:13:31 PM
You are misinformed.
Obama's record shows an very impressive legislative background as an Illinois Senator.
As an Illinois State Senator, he sponsored or co-sponsored over 200 bills and resolutions which were passed or adopted between 03 and 05 into the IL Legislature. Some were voted on after he left for the
US Senate.
Obama introduced over 800 bills between 1998 and 2004.
Bills passed include: Equal Pay Act; Senior Citizen Prescription Drug Discount Act; Video Taped Interrogation Act; Hospital Report Card Act and
Chicago Educational Reform Act.
Of these bills, Obama was the primary sponsor for more than 40 bills and resolutions adopted into Illinois
State Law 03/05.
http.www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBarackObama.asp?ID=747&Primary=True
Also, http.www.ilga.gov/senate/SenatorBarackObama.asp?GA=93&made&ID=747&Primary=True-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 11:00:11 PM
Impressive as in "name the street legislation"?
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 2:27:25 PM
John McCain supported the House bailout bill.
A whopping 65 out of 199 Republicans voted for the bill and followed McCain's lead.
John McCain can't even inspire his own troops.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 4:24:57 PM
As if Pelosi could manage hers. You always seem to forget that..... hmmmmm, I wonder why?
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 7:28:04 PM
She supplied 2/3 rds of the dems. McFeeble got 1/3rd of his 'followers'. Case closed.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 7:46:39 PM
Please... the case isn't closed. Why didn't 100 percent of all your democrats vote for it?
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 7:58:06 PM
Not only is the case closed but so is your mind. Why are the democrats responsible for passing a bill sponsored by Republicans? This is Bush and Co.'s mess. we are just trying to help out.
I retracty a previous statement, You are not deliberatelyobtuse; you are pathologically obtuse.-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 8:38:06 PM
Your posts are mindless!
You're such a jerk off, mindless little lib... you wouldn't see the truth if it was in your face.
Let's do each other a favor... I won't post you again, and you do the same, OK?-
Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 9:05:49 PM
It is a good sign that you can at least realize your limitations...
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 10:14:45 PM
Yes, we all have our limitations... even with jerk offs like you.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 10:31:59 PM
Ah, how very insightful. Such witty repartee...
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Posted By: rube @ 10/01/2008 2:15:34 PM
So you ready for another war president?
When asked during recent debate, "how would he fix the current economic crisis?" Mccain responded,
"I will freeze all spending except the military, pentagon and the veterans!"
There is intolerable irony here! Is our nation an imperialistic state, a fascist authoritarian rule?
This sounds very simialr to Hugo Chaves as something he would spew off!
The words of a dark dictator- a war monger!
Remember these are the words of a man that strongly advocated articles of war despite weak intelligence!
His so called ???Maverick fundamentalism??? shoot from the hip policies, that were in defiance of "other significant intelligence"- "there were no WMD in Iraq!"
These are words from a man that would detract oversight and regulations from our nations finanacial culture for 26 years while it was driven into dust by elitists, plutocrats and greed driven non-American dregs!
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 4:31:27 PM
I did a search of your "freeze" phrase... ironically, the only two places that came up with anything was with you're name on it!! You've been blogging it at other sites.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 7:43:11 PM
Pallisore
Unfortunately most references to real news are reported on the mainstream media that rush has told you that you don't believe in. Oddly enough rupert and rush never bring up things that contradict their 'fair and balanced' spins. So, often one can not source the extreme right-wing propaganda sites you restrict yourselve to. Catch 22, donchaknow!! Self-perpetuating ignorance, some call it.
But ironically, and deliciously, this time I found your 'credible' source for McCain's spending freeze on a FOX site! So just maybe you will open your brain housing unit just a little crack and let a little light in. Here's your link, catch
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/mccain-proposes-spending-freee-obama-says-scalpel-needed/
ps, you might be a grown up just the once and apologize to Rube for doubting him....-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 8:05:41 PM
Sorry, anything from "marketwatch" won't qualify as something credible.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 8:18:20 PM
You ARE pathologically obtuse!! Alright here's one from the Conservative NAtional Review.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWUxYjI5MzMxNzY4N2UyMzE2ZjZmODk0MjZmMTA1OWE=
If you google McCain spending freeze, you will get a number of hits. But,....
And I never expected you to apologize to Rube. That would be the behaviour of someone with core decency, and your posts expose you as a blind bully.-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 8:41:23 PM
More of your bullsh!t liberal blogs...
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Posted By: josemarti @ 10/01/2008 4:14:26 PM
Obama looking forward to becoming Commander in Chief. "Barack is looking forward to becoming Commander in Chief. I think he will be perfectly comfortable in that role." said his spokesperson Crystal Knight in DesMoines today.
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Posted By: sharenews @ 10/01/2008 5:29:18 PM
His comfort level is being President of the WORLD, with emphasis on fully supporting all countries except this one. Google his Global Poverty Act that he is sponsoring.-
Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/01/2008 7:31:01 PM
A rising tide carries all ships.
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Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/01/2008 8:39:37 PM
BenCrap - only you could agree with an anti-American comment like that one. Tells us all we need to know about you; suspicions confirmed...
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/01/2008 10:35:01 PM
Jimbo's bitter because he didn't take advantage of the opportunities in his life like Barack Obama. Now, all he has is his negativity.
Dude, think of how nice your life could be if America was a true superpower again, in every sense of the word.-
Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/02/2008 1:00:32 AM
You are too funny; actually, I have done very well here, and America is still a superpower. And unlike you, I actually appreciate and love my country. Conversely, you are clearly part of the blame-America-first crowd. So who's negative?
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Posted By: sharenews @ 10/02/2008 5:39:58 PM
Well, at least we know he is voting for the right person . . . the one who will turn our country into a socialistic society or will try like h*ll to do with his FRIENDS should he get in the White House. -
Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/02/2008 4:36:41 PM
Economic success doesn't equate to taking the original ideas of the constitution to heart. Republicans would happily do away with much of the constitution.
James Madison hid the minutes of the Constitutional meetings for years in a private archive because he didn't want the wealthy American civilians to learn that their wealthy representatives were constructing a country for everybody and not just the wealthy.
I suppose given how civics isn't taught anymore, it's easy to forget that the original American patriots had a great deal of compassion for their fellow man, much more than present Republicans. Nothing personal.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 2:02:57 AM
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 1:15:06 AM
Actually we are borderline of becoming a third world country if the economy issues are not corrected...
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Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/02/2008 1:37:45 AM
Maybe you are; I and many others are not.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 1:48:48 AM
Unfortunately it is all so true.. we are losing our manufacturing plants and jobs at an alarming rate. We produce raw materials, ship them off to be converted into finished products and then buy them back. Pretty much the definition of a third-world country. Add to that the incredible transfer of our wealth for to buy oil and to service the 10 trillion dollar debt....
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 1:13:44 AM
Hey Jimmy my boy, how are you? Be nice to your fellow bloggers, remember, I am great at dissing people. Ask Share and Loriw as a reminder of what I did (nurse Ratched because Lori is a nurse, and Dr. Evil Share because they are both OCD with their posts). Share and her both toned their respective mouths down. I will be glad to do the same with you. You seem to be a nice fellow. Prove me right.
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/01/2008 10:36:22 PM
Regardless, my reply was to sharenews' comment...
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Posted By: sharenews @ 10/01/2008 11:57:52 PM
I had no idea what your response about tides and ships meant when I got in here a half hr or so ago to followup. When I saw Jimbos response I looked it up and agree with Jimbo. Besides, not everyone remembers where they left off in these blogs and dont always get back with another response if one is posted and I welcome any bloggers to continue the dialogue as they see fit. Thanks, Jimbo. ; 0 D
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 9:09:09 PM
Adam Smith also agreed, but then he was British...
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 10:25:34 PM
So, share(fox)news, what's your story? What started you on the path to the dark side? When did you stop standing up FOR ideals and start being only AGAINST something, or in this case someone. You are in the Nobama party. Let me hear of all the wonderful issues that you agree on with Senator McCain and enough with your personal vendetta; you are beginning to sound obsessed. Don't tell me you are one of the ex-hillary deadenders..
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/02/2008 5:25:17 PM
How does a conservative republican define patriotism?
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Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 10/01/2008 2:10:43 PM
PBS anchor Gwen Ifill, who is moderating Thursday night's vice-presidential debate between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, is releasing a new book on Barack Obama, raising questions about her objectivity. The book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," is due to be released about the same time the next president takes the oath of office.
During the Republican National Convention, the PBS ombudsman fielded numerous complaints about Ifill???s coverage of Sarah Palin???s speech. Wrote Brian Meyers of Granby, Ct.: ???I was appalled by Gwen Ifill???s commentary directly following Gov. Sarah Palin???s speech. Her attitude was dismissive and the look on her face was one of disgust. Clearly, she was agitated by what most critics view as a well-delivered speech. It is quite obvious that Ms. Ifill supports Obama as she struggled to say anything redemptive about Gov. Palin???s performance. I am disappointed in Ms. Ifill???s complete disregard for journalistic objectivity.???
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/bias-charges-for-debate-moderator-ifill/196918
See also:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_bias_bigger_problem_than_campaign_cash
55% Say Media Bias Bigger Problem Than Campaign Cash
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2008/cyb20080819.asp
Media Credibility Plummets, Just 30% Believe 'Most Trusted' CNN
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama
51% Say Reporters Are Trying To Hurt Palin; 39% Say She Has Better Experience Than Obama-
Posted By: sharenews @ 10/01/2008 7:11:03 PM
I approve this message too. Thanks for posting it. ; - D-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/02/2008 4:39:14 PM
Any credible journalist would have not taken the offer to moderate the debate given her book coming out on inauguration day with Obama's name on the cover, or at the very least immediately disclosed that "little" item. Ifill did neither.
I know, she just forgot!
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 2:21:58 PM
I'm John McCain and I approved this message.
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Posted By: quasqueton @ 10/02/2008 3:12:01 AM
True! This may turn to be a "race election'". That is too bad. But it is te realty - if Omama were a middle of the road Democrat, I mght consider him. No, he is a bomb throwing liberal, and just another politician! Change, change, change, hope, hope hope. He has no charachter. Perhaps, Sarah is not up to speed on critical isues, but I would certainly trust her more than Barrry!!!! Oops, she is not running for Pesident! All you liberals out there think that John McCain will die in office. Not a chance. He will outlive Omaba-bin-Ladin. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/02/2008 4:25:40 PM
How do you know we all smoke?
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Posted By: Krohn @ 10/02/2008 2:09:28 PM
More on the voter fraud in Ohio:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3128354&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/
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Posted By: PIGDOG @ 10/02/2008 1:33:13 PM
In response to "it's about the future", I assume it is Joe biden you refer to.
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Posted By: it's about the future @ 10/02/2008 1:48:31 PM
Nope,
Nope,
Speaking about Barack Obama.
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Posted By: neos @ 09/30/2008 6:58:27 PM
And now for the real truth.
The Democratic leadership in the House worked out a deal with the Republican leadership where both parties woud ante up 50% of their membership to vote Aye on the bill. Undoubtedly this was to give cover on both sides for representatives who were facing diificulties at home supporting the president's bill. The Republicans reneged on the deal. They and their fearless leader McCain could only get 1/3rd to vote for the bill. The Democrats honored their agreement and then some. 2/3rd of them voted Aye. If the majority of Republicans continue to think of themselves first and the country second, then the Democrats can and will pass the bill with the few remaining Republicans who get it.-
Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/30/2008 7:03:40 PM
The real truth? Where do you get all this opinionated horsesh!t?
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Posted By: neos @ 09/30/2008 7:15:58 PM
This is a grownup site, mostly. If you have something to offer that in any way disproves what i have written, estate your case and i will be happy to reconsidered my opinionated HS. Perhaps Faux News did not give you the details of the vote but it went as I said. In fact I remember Fix News repeatedly throwing up the byline that '95 Democrats vote against bailout', but oddly enough they never put one up saying 133 Republicans voted against the bailout. Hmmm..
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/30/2008 8:45:20 PM
Yes, it's a grown up site. So why don't you act like one. You have nothing to offer but your opinionated, nonsensical bulls!t.... like the site you posted.
Your left-wing denials prove the adage that "facts are the enemy of truth".-
Posted By: neos @ 09/30/2008 9:07:37 PM
Yet another childish drive-by blogging... ouch!!
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 09/30/2008 9:32:03 PM
Drive by???? Is a liberal actually stealing from Rush Limbaugh?
You gotta love it!-
Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 2:57:43 AM
And yet, for all the talk of horsehi*t and Kool-aid, not one of you in any way directly addressed the topic at hand, resorting rather to insults. How very Rovian of you...
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 10:55:35 AM
No insults from you either....Right. More liberal 'do as I say, not as I do" schlock.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 11:17:51 AM
And still you evade the issue and the truth. Research the topic above and show me where I am wrong. Stop being a coward.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 11:47:12 AM
Post a link to prove your claim of a deal.
You're the only coward on this board. Constantly making claims you can't prove.-
Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 12:21:18 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092903523_2.html
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 5:34:55 PM
Here's a couple of quotes from the Washington Post artical:
"The vote, scheduled for 15 minutes, was called shortly before 1:25 p.m. But leaders of both parties, anxiously eyeing the vote tally on electronic boards on the north and south ends of the chamber, realized they were behind.
Pelosi pleaded with members of the Congressional Black Caucus who had voted against the bill, including Reps. John Lewis (D-Ga.) and Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.). Neither Lewis or Jackson would budge.
A dejected Boehner huddled with Hoyer, Blunt and Emanuel, who delivered a possible deal. If Blunt could round up a handful of GOP votes, Democrats could do the rest.
But Boehner couldn't find enough, and he said it wasn't his style to "break arms."
Lawmakers ran out of time; no more votes could be found. A few of them switched their votes to no, making the final vote 228-205".
The only "possible deal" was during the actual vote, there was no reneging.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 6:53:22 PM
You omitted the part where Pelosi had made it clear to Boehner that his party would have to ante up 85-100 votes. Reading is fundamental
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 8:01:25 PM
Oh, geez! Pelosi made it clear? lmao! Did she "make it clear" to the 95 members of her own party that voted no?
Common sense is fundamental! Trade your hypocrisy in and get some.-
Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 1:43:14 AM
No, because they were the less than 50% of Democrats who did not have to support the bill. Are you being deliberately obtuse??
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Posted By: Vypurr @ 10/02/2008 8:34:29 AM
I've followed this thread... Your post makes no sense. I read the article, and there wasn't anything about the "deal" you originally suggested made before the vote. The only time a deal was mentioned was when Pelosi, as well as Boehner tried to get additional votes during the vote but neither could get it done.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/02/2008 11:24:11 AM
Unfortunately all the other references to the deal were reported on the mainstream media that rush has told that you don't believe in. Oddly enough rupert and rush never brought it up. So, I can not source the extreme right-wing propaganda sites you restrict yourselves to. Therefore you will never see the light. Catch 22, donchaknow!!
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 12:11:42 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/29/AR2008092903523_2.html
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 11:36:18 AM
The topic at hand is where do you get your information that there was this so-called "deal"?
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 3:24:23 AM
The site I posted was the office of the clerk of the House of Representatives!
Opinionated horsesh*t???
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 11:48:51 AM
The site you posted was a record of the vote. Nothing more.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 12:13:57 PM
And it says it all. How House Republicans failed to support John McCain and George Bush on a Republican sponsored bill. Democrats put country first and supported the president in a time of crisis.
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 7:59:09 PM
Democrats put country first? Yeah, except for the 95 of them that voted no. You conveniently forgot about them, right?
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 1:47:14 PM
I had already seen those numbers. It certainly does not say anything about any deal! You keep saying there was one....
Most that voted against this did so because of negative calls from their constituents, not because they reneged on any "deal". Even Pelosi was getting massive amounts of calls saying no to the bailout.
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Posted By: neos @ 09/30/2008 7:18:50 PM
For the record here is the record of votes.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml
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Posted By: Pallisor @ 10/01/2008 11:32:55 AM
Where do you get your information about this "deal"?
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Posted By: indi1216 @ 10/01/2008 6:04:12 PM
Please see this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJUCU1UH2w
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Posted By: sharenews @ 10/01/2008 7:05:37 PM
Message to Mr. Obama from a US soldier who fought in the IRAQ war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 12:40:52 AM
Bob Dornan as right wing as you can get is also in the video....so where is your Mini-me when you need her?
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Posted By: sharenews @ 10/02/2008 1:16:46 AM
What is it with your Mark? I thought you were not a blogger that got into personal attacks of bloggers?-
Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 1:29:53 AM
Look to the top of the blog my fellow blogger, and you will see my very nice comments and corrective criticism for both you and Loriw. You may learn something you are not aware of... :-)
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 12:37:54 AM
Its a 527 ad. here is another one, probably even more to my liking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 7:51:44 PM
Unlike the slick schmaltzy jingoistic McCain ad you posted which incidentally only served to prove McCain's militarism, here is a real view of the war.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 7:41:12 PM
Did you even watch the video that Indi1216 posted? There are real world consequences to petulance.
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Posted By: Krohn @ 10/01/2008 9:39:34 PM
Obama's dirtiest, darkest secret!:
http://larrysinclair.org/-
Posted By: benkrapf @ 10/01/2008 10:39:36 PM
If he's such a secret, then why does he have a website titled with his name?
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 1:28:27 AM
Ask Holly Roller, he is a big fan of Sinclair. He is the person to ask.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 10:16:49 PM
Well, the kr obviously stands for Karl Rove, but what does the ohn stand for??
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Posted By: sharenews @ 10/02/2008 1:09:52 AM
(Continued from my post above - Obamas International Socialist Connections)
(Part 2 of 2)
Democrats may try to pass it quickly anyway, in order to give Obama a precious legislative victory that he could run on. (Thank God that didnt happen or did it?; is the MSN just not promoting this knowing it would not be a fully supported win in minds of all his voters- sharenews?)
If the GLOBAL POVERTY ACT PASSES should Obama push it should he become POTUS, it would cost $800 billion dollars annually TO TAXPAYERS . . . WHICH SHAKES OUT TO BE $2,500 PER HOUSEHOLD).
Another group associated with the SI is the Party of European Socialists (PES), which heard from HOWARD DEAN, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, back in 2006. Deans speech is posted on the official Democratic Party website, although the EUROPEAN SOCIALIST PARTIES are referred to as PROGRESSIVE. Democrats, Dean said, want to be GOOD CITIZENS OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY. He spoke at a session on Global Challenges for Progressive Politics.
DEANs speech mentioned above:
http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/12/keynote_address.php
NO WONDER all of the main leader countries OVER THE POND are cheering for Obama and were out there in masses when he made his TOUR oversees. . . They want those free handouts at our (US citizens mandatory expense should a bill like the Global Poverty Act pass should he get into the White House) expense. - sharenews
The socialist connections of Obama and the Democratic Party have certainly NOT been featured in the Washington Post columns of Harold Meyerson, who happens not only to be a member but a VICE-CHAIR of the DSA. Meyerson, the subject of our 2005 column, A Socialist at the Washington Post, has PRAISED CONVICTED INSIDE-TRADER GEORGE SOROS for MANIPULATING CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS TO BENEFIT THE FAR-LEFT ELEMENTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Obamas success in the Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses is FURTHER EVIDENCE OF SOROS SUCCESS. Indeed, Soros has financially contributed to the Obama campaign.
CONTINUED IN THE FULL ARTICLE: http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/
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Posted By: Krohn @ 10/01/2008 10:05:30 PM
A man of great wisdom:
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/manningreport.html-
Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 10:17:09 PM
Well, the kr obviously stands for Karl Rove, but what does the ohn stand for??
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Posted By: marksgershenson @ 10/02/2008 12:42:09 AM
actually Krohn is a last name. I have a relative with the same last name.
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Posted By: Krohn @ 10/01/2008 10:30:32 PM
voter fraud in Ohio:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3126975&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/
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Posted By: iwin @ 10/01/2008 9:48:37 AM
Obama is where he is because of the Chicago Machine and it is the get-out-the-vote Chicago Machine that will win him the election in November. All he has to do is keep his cool until then. After, the people will learn of the 140 Billion dollars included in the bail-out that goes to Acorn so more bad loans can be made and we can go through another bail out down the road.
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 10:04:57 AM
OK. Number 1, the presidential race is held in other places than Chicago, dontcha know.
Second if you are saying that the candidate who gets more votes than his opponent wins the election, well congratulations, you're getting the idea!!-
Posted By: jimbo3800 @ 10/01/2008 9:01:39 PM
Not necessarily genius. You may want to go back to your high school government class and look up 'electoral college' . Duh....
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Posted By: neos @ 10/01/2008 9:56:42 PM
Well, there's a heckova lotta book learning in the government class in which I would be studying in if i were in it, doncha know. But i'll go look into it and get back to ya!
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