No MONEY No retierment,wellfare,social security,ssi,and we dont have enough APPLES
Why the crisis will deepen and get harder to fix
No MONEY No retierment,wellfare,social security,ssi,and we dont have enough APPLES
Somwhere, shrouded deep in the misty mists of time, the Sheriff of Nottingham is laughing his ass off ...
here we are getting angry at banks and people who spend money they dont have by gambleing and what does washington do,!!!!! take a guest. they are gambleing with our retierment money that we have to give up to pay for mess latter down the line.
how abut that we just became BIGGER than all that banks and we would probaly wind up in the same boat,I wonder which county will take over.(well we still have to give china thier money....500billion, if we have it.
We need Leaders who tell American the truth and it's about time to do that..
America has spoken and washington is not listening,and we are the only losers.
Right now, the situation looks bleak
The unemployed have to fight each other for jobs that are growing more scarce (I'm in this group, thank god I don???t have a mortgage or a home). Company???s are growing more reluctant to hire employees. Many employed are worried about being laid off.
If the unemployed get a job, (like I might), there is little chance that they will buy a house; they will be afraid of getting laid off. (this mind set will continue the unraveling of the US economy, specifically real estate???right?).
Why won't people buy houses? Because they are afraid of losing there job and ending up like the person a few houses down that is in extremely bad financial shape.
The US economy is in a big un-fun game of musical chairs, and everyone is trying to get into the last few seats and not be the ones caught outside the game, loosing their job, their home and their security.
I hope we have some leaders in this nation that can solve this problem. Some how, this needs to be fixed. I hope for some positive news in the next few months.
what would happen if washington was to take that 700billion and give this country the national heath care that this cuntry needsd ,here is what happens..employers' small buisess,mediacare,ssi,wellfare and us don't have pay,then uncle sam would be gaining more from taxses,Because of the higher the income on everybody. EVEN STEVEN.Don't forget the insurance companys.... OK lets forget them
Re: America Wake-up :We are facing truck load of financial, hurricane and war related problems and still have borrowed money to help Georgia amounting to one Billion borrowed money from China. Entire world is laughing at us. Infra structure is deteriorating by minute, getting closer to third World, our national debts exceed that of Mexico, India and Somalia!!
AMERICA WAKE-UP..America is going to be given to the world banks,We are going to be the worlds welfare country.Weather its wall street or the credit markets we will be givining our freedom away to the banks of countrys that we are borrowing from like chinas 500 billions to pay for our generosity,then who will be on welfare,we will not have free markets anymore.
A Proposal to Resolve the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Financial Fiasco
In order to solve what has been termed the financial crisis, it is necessary to identify the cause of Fannie Mae???s and Freddie Mac???s catastrophic failure.
The cause of their downfall is the partisan democrat pressure put on those companies to grant sub prime mortgages to persons who would be unable to repay those loans.
The democrat senators and representatives, who mandated that financial background checks be considered unnecessary and unwarranted, facilitated that irresponsible granting of mortgages to those unable to repay. The motive of the democrat members of Congress was strictly and blatantly partisan - to buy votes, and to maintain years of party support.
In 2005, John McCain co-authored a bill to investigate and regulate the faulty business practices of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but that was opposed and defeated by the democrats in Congress.
On many occasions, President George W. Bush introduced proposals to regulate the mortgage lending companies, but those calls for regulation were opposed, obstructed, and defeated by democrats who were obsessed with the continuance of faulty lending practices.
In order to reform the financial sector, it is necessary that the sleazy politicians and top administration of those 2 mortgage companies who perpetrated fraudulent activity be publicly identified, investigated, and severely punished for their undermining the national economy.
It is only reasonable to expose the corrupt financial practices and their facilitators, and to remove them from any further activity, before any effort can be made to resurrect the American economy.
Otherwise, any attempt to do so will be useless, because the problems and perpetrators would still be present to frustrate and obstruct any meaningful remedial action.
Continued - A Proposal to Resolve the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Financial Fiasco
The first step toward economic recovery would be to isolate all sub prime mortgages from the assets of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, and to group the remaining viable ones into several stock options to be offered for sale to the public, and also as a bailout measure.
That would result in an immediate infusion of cash into the banking sector, thereby ensuring that credit could be granted to qualifying loan applicants.
Individuals or organizations who choose to buy those stock options should benefit additionally from any profits later realized by their investments.
Also, any profits resulting from the bailout option should be refunded to the INCOME TAX PAYERS only, since they would be the ones who would have financed the bailout.
Likewise, but separately, the various questionable sub prime mortgages should be bundled together into other stock options which would be structured to contain a mixture of both somewhat and less redeemable loans.
Those sub prime mortgage packages should be offered first to democrats, especially wealthy ones, who might be attracted to them by their being valued at a price of 80 cents on the dollar, based on the face value of the mortgages.
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That would afford them the option to support what democrats viewed to be a noble cause (home ownership for the unemployed), and besides, it might enable the stock option buyers to profit by 20 percent if all of the sub prime mortgages would be somehow repaid by the homeowners.
Thus democrats, especially the likes of George Soros, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Charlie Schumer (who supported the granting of sub prime mortgages irrespective of demonstrated ability to repay) would be able to ???put their money where their mouths are???!
Lastly, there should be a guarantee that no further sub prime mortgages be granted.
Home ownership is a GOAL for many financially responsible Americans - it is not a government sponsored RIGHT for all persons living legally and illegally in the US!
No bail-out of Wall Street bankers, greedy, incompetent fat cats who have created this crisis themselves and who are now being allowed to pick the pockets of American voters to fix it.
What do these fat cat get for the damages they have created? No Golden Parachutes / losing some of their exit strategy money? Hardly, they are making millions more in compensation packages.
This financial situation did not happen by itself. Bring criminal and civil charges to these bankers and financiers. Make the responsible people pay first, then Americans will feel there is justice.
This is a bail-out of Wall Street bankers, greedy, incompetent fat cats who have created this crisis themselves and who are now being allowed to pick the pockets of American voters to fix it.
What do these fat cat get for the damages they have created? No Golden Parachutes / losing some of their exit strategy money? Hardly, they are making millions more in compensation packages.
This financial situation did not happen by itself. Bring criminal and civil charges to these bankers and financiers. Make the responsible people pay first, then Americans will feel there is justice.
There's always way to much room for bickering when a given phenomenon is considered fundamentally myserious even by its so called "experts." For example, every economic theory to date has made the same unquestioned assumption: that the economic process began with barter and trade. Naturally, this makes perfect "common sense", no? And yet it's a completely false assumption. This is why modern economic theories are such miserable failures; why our current system is inherently unstable; and why macroeconomics appears to be a phenomenon of inexplicable "complexity." For the underlying reality of the economy is that it is not a money system at all: It's an energy system! Our focus on money, which is just a tool to enhance the efficiency of the underlying reality, is a red herring, but also an excellent means of acquiring and maintaining economic and political power if properly mis-used. But if anything is to be learned from the current turmoil, it is that a monetary system alone is merely a hollow shell. In reality, the economic process began eons ago as a pure energy feedback system, and all one needs to do is to rethink the continuous, self-perpetuating loop defined by the relationship between consumers and food to begin to see this. Today the "food" of the greater economic organism is primarily oil, but it is also comprised of such things as human labor, and electrical, mechanical and chemical processes (the physics of technology). Energy sources and energy processes ( which "do work" as the physicists say) always have and always will comprise the very essence and meaning of the economic process. In short, one finally stops to start over from scratch and retrace the evolution of economic events to the present day, one also begins to witness the unfolding of "economics" as an unrecognized field of applied physics. this is a physics based on a single common denominator (energy) and a single dynamic principle: feedback. the result is a model of economics as a dynamic energy fractal, simultaneously complex on the surface, but sublimely simple at its very core. Now see: http://postparadox.blogspot.com/ --and please DOWNLOAD the complete explanation. Pass it around to your friends. Since this explanation supplies a completely integrated overview, it is therefore also self-verifying and inherently comprehensive in application, addressing every single aspect of modern economics without the labyrinthine, self-contradictions of the currently dominant paradigm.
The present economical model of trickled down economy with major emphasis on " Self- interest( greed)" and free hand and no regulations is sure to fail and will continue to fail. Can not depend upon the notion of " the theory of moral sentiment" of few( rich)
Wow, first fear tactics by the government, now saying the American people don't understand (we're too dumb) and things should have been explained better to us. Listen, what a load of crap tactics...it's time you own up to the fact that this bailout won't work, and will only put money into the hands of banks and investment groups that were completely dishonest. First you send our jobs offshore, next you expect us to pay our mortgages, then you ask for a bailout. Are you crazy, the focus has to be on the american people, not pouring money in to unfreeze credit. What a crock, I'm tired of the fear tactics, the problem is not complex, stop making things up!
Couldn't agree more. It is about time to stop treating like mentally challenged .... present Republican leadership have nerve to tell us trust us, reminded me of WMD and Mushroom Clouds!! Tax payers every right to demand transparency, oversight and criminal persecution of those CEO involved in criminal acts.
Yet another person who doesn't get it... How about you tell us how to fix it then? How do we put then genie back in the bottle? How do we keep the small businesses( in business if the credit markets freeze up?
Sigh.... I only responded to this to say one thing really. This IS a complex issue and while your anger is justified(Hell, I am angry too...). Trying to make a complex problem simple is not the answer and quite frankly you are dead wrong. Most people do not understand the problem at all...the people who caused it did not even understand it until after the fact. But if others feel like you then I sure hope all of you are sitting on a ton of money because without someone doing SOMETHING this will get very very ugly for everyone and that ugliness will cut across every class.
We have been paying 10 bil a month and lifes in another country,why shoud we pay for loses for some one that is gambling in the stock market.
We are not...what is being paid for is the overall health of the economy BECAUSE those idiots were gambling in the stock market have caused it be so widespread that it now affects the overall economy as a whole. That means you too.... The issue is NOT just about them anymore as their actions, base greed built around "paper" money, and ours, high credit to debt ratios as a way of life, have jeapordized the entire system. The only people who won't be affected should the entire thing collapse are those who don't have a job right now. Educate yourself about how deep this goes...please. Continuing to say "let them fail" / "the strong will survive" is asking for more trouble across the economy and not less. It really is not just about greedy Wall Street anymore no matter how easy(and right) it is to point the finger at them.
You can also look at it this was,if you buy stock when its low ans seal when its high who is making money and do we give him the money if he loses.. who is the strone person that loses.
The government is NOT in business to bailout anyone. Americans must stop looking to the government for solutions. These are the very people that got us in this mess. Let the failures fail. Let the criminals go to jail. We need term limits so we can do away with the Ted Kennedys, Joe Bidens, Robert Byrds, and John McCains. We need a presidential line item veto to do away with wasteful earmarks. We need to stop transferring our wealth to rogue states, enemies ie China, Russia, N. Korea etc. We need to protect America, and stop trying to appease the world. We need the 150 million Americans that are sitting on their asses to get up and go to work. We need people to stop looking for the federal government to solve all of our problems. So let the failures fail. No to the Bailout
Nobody WANTS the fed in our business but you don't understand the issue and your reckless commentary says so...loudly. At stake is not simply whether a given Wall Street entity continues on as an operating concern but the Credit Markets they operate within. As goes the Banks/Credit houses so goes the Credit Market EVERY....and I do mean EVERY business needs the "Credit Market" to be healthy. Without that everyone of you, is in jeaporday of losing your job. I don't care if you are fixing flats at the corner gas station; you can still be affected. When buisness can't get credit, they seek to make up that shortfall in the short term by cutting jobs and it is THAT issue which the "Johhnny Come Lately"'s in Washington have only recently figured out. Sustained Banking failures will send the Credit Market into a tail spin the likes of which no one has ever seen. The sub-prime mortgages are only a part of the issue and even if you were to buy EVERY ONE of them up the "paper money" issue at the heart of the financial crisis would still exist. That is the issue....and if affects even you. Unfortunately, nobody can quanitfy it in terms of real dollars....not even the "genuises" who got us into this mess.
we have term limits they are called elections. You can vote out any politician you want every four years just go vote!!
Spewing hatred does little to fix the economy. I don't give a damn who is a republican and who is a democrat, I am interested in the most intelligent and realistic plan to help the country as a whole and my family too. Both parties have been responsible for the demise of the country and the bodies that have gone unchecked and supervised by our government., the government of all. It is statistically impossible to even blame "one side" for this disaster and it involved more than the mortgage crisis, that's too simplistic to blame it all on that one arena. You can both hate democrats all you want, but that will not solve any of these problems, Americans are more self centered than anything else, so of course, we cannot work together on this issue.
Well said....
If you gamble and lose playing your money in the stock market do you exspect me to give you the money you lost,.this has nothing to do with blame or hate
As a taxpayer, I am sick and tired of subsidizing the lazy, those on welfare, farmers, third world countries, the United Nations, Red China, Africa as a whole, lobbyists, crooked politicians, etc. Now the government wants the taxpayers to pay for Detroit automakers bailout and this huge bailout of Wall Street and finanancial institutions. I think not. Let the failures fail. The strong will survive.
Clinton Screwed us all in 1999 when he helped intstitute the reduction of Fannie Mae credit requirements for low income families - (written in Sept of 1999 - posted in the NY times)
"By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published: September 30, 1999
In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders. "
the article went on to say:
"Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the conventional loan market.
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.
''From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another thrift industry growing up around us,'' said Peter Wallison a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ''If they fail, the government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped up and bailed out the thrift industry.''
(Typical Democratic policies that screw us all - isn't it odd that every inner city has had Democratic representation for the last 50 years and they are worse than ever?)
And your point is that in the 8 years of a Republican President and within that time; 6 years of a Republican controlled Congress, that those in power could not get that changed????? Are you really saying that G.W was so weak that he could have worked to get this undone?? When you stretch logic to make your point it bites you. To follow your logic(and the bite),: Republicans have done nothing about it during the time in office so they are equally culpable. Think about it....
Isn't it odd that we've had a Republican president for eight years who's been playing golf and riding bikes in European parks while his country gets destroyed?
Isn't it odd that you're using this crisis as an excuse for partisan politics instead of getting up off your ass to see what you might be able to do in order to help things?
If you were in front of me right now, I might hit you in the face. Quit whining like a spoiled five-year-old. Get up off your ass and help bail out the boat or sit down and SHUT UP.
who's whining? Now is a great opportunity to buy stocks on sale (for those of us smart enough to resist cheap money and not overborrow or over-extend ourselves with debt). It's just funny to see "Main street" fall for the Democratic propaganda machine as always. Obama is in way over his head, and he will sadly "buy" votes with tax cuts. It's a sad election year with no "great" alternative.
Congratulations on your fiscal prudence. Keep it up.
Other than that, no one is going to listen to you because you keep insulting and degrading everybody. You want to change minds and opinions, start talking like a decent human being.
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