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  • Posted By: eshuster @ 09/29/2008 5:29:27 PM

    A mess who's genesis can be traced to Clinton policies. However, let's shut up with the who's to blame here because it's not helping. Pelosi's grandstanding at the end killed the bill by talking about failed Bush policies and created a partisan firestorm. This is not about Bush, about Clinton, or about the current election. This is about the greed and deceit of modern capitalism that must be dealt with. It goes beyond Republicans and Democrats - this is about America stupid, so get off the politics and let's solve this.

    • Posted By: socratesjackson @ 09/30/2008 11:11:29 AM

      While I agree that the finger pointing needs to stop your reply in a exercise in it as well. Or perhaps you missed your attack on Pelosi. There have....and will always be....partisan speeches so by saying every time someone makes a partisan speech then those attacked should not do what they think is right JUST to spite the attacker is juvenile. It bespeaks a hypersensitivty and sense of self which overrides the common good. In other words....if your wife berated you for not paying the bills on time then your response to that would/should be to stop paying the bills altogether????? It's childish and shame on you and everyone else for trying to make a SPEECH the center point of why a bill they thought should get passed did not get passed. The reality of the matter is they did not vote on it becuase they did not want to...anything else is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    • Posted By: rube @ 09/29/2008 7:07:46 PM

      The neocons ar in denial- the real mess all started with Ronald Reagan..
      free enterprise, smaller governments, no regulation tear down those wally
      B.S. " Neocon fudemenatalism!" What real change- dump the GOP!

    • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 09/29/2008 6:19:06 PM

      You republicans blame Bill Clinton for everything that has gone wrong while George Bush has been in office while he had a republican majority in the House and senate during his first 6 years in office. Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound every time you blame Bill Clinon for George Bush?

  • Posted By: rgarrett @ 09/30/2008 10:38:08 AM

    I am amazed at the number of people that are in support of the democrats here. Presidents do not make laws. Congress does. The democrats have been destroying our economy since the 30's. The democrats believe in the cradle to grave theory. Government is here for all your needs. Government is here to fix everything. You people are funny. Paying people not to work. Rewards for those that do nothing. Free this and free that. I hope Obama, the chosen one, the messiah of hope and change, the most liberal member in the senate gets elected. He will be able to save the United States, and the world from the evil Republicans.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/30/2008 9:45:21 AM

    In 2005, for the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill, S. 190, was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets. If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0



    In support of S 190, also known as the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, John McCain said: "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay."

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16

    Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 would have Amended the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 to establish: (1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.
    Most importantly with regard to the CDS situation, S. 190 set forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting. Adoption of these regulatory provisions would have undoubtably affected the way CDSs were dealt with in "private" enterprises.
    The bill would have also amended the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation., and transfered the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation. If this had been in place three years ago, this whole situation might have been averted.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190&tab=summary

  • Posted By: getzel @ 09/30/2008 7:32:17 AM

    A better plan to fix liquidity for less than $700 Billion : 1)Moratorium all mortgage payments on all residential real estate for 5 years or until the houses are sold. This is cheaper and guaranteed to jump start the economy. 2) raise the FDIC insurance to $1 million on bank accounts; this will get money out of treasuries and into bank deposits: liquidity. 3) Means test all new home loans on 29% and 33% debt ratios and minimum down payments from 10% to 33% depending on the home cost. 4) Home equity loans should be for home improvements only.
    5) Credit cards should be on net 30 basis only; if you can not afford it do not buy it. 6) special finance arrangements should be available for longer term purchases like cars, but not toasters and certainly not soap.

  • Posted By: phiomalibumalibu @ 09/30/2008 5:07:06 AM

    Interesting comments. The bailout will be reworked and hopefully won't cost the American taxpayers even one penny. With a drop of 777 points yesterday, I am relieved I switched to hotequity dot com. Just in the nick of time. My bank failed last week so I feel comfortable with the choices I am making. Many of us just don't know what to do, so I'm placing my bets on some international funds.

  • Posted By: regulator @ 09/30/2008 12:18:59 AM

    This financial fiasco is so deep and complex I do not think these elected official have any clue what is happening and what will come hereafter, every day U here a news of regulators seizing the bank, Why they are doing now because these politician let them do their job now. . They are so entrenched in their self-interest they care less. because they do not understand the scope of crisis.. We have no clue how deep this mess is. Politician failed us again as they did in 80's with S L crisis( C. Keating). The infamous five including Mccain , Glen and others tried to hand-cuff regulators. Hope regulators should do their job without any fear of bought out politicians. The best we can do to put a national mandate to put term limit for the elected officials .

    • Posted By: ginamlaster @ 09/30/2008 4:26:32 AM

      Hadn't thought of the term limits thing. It's high time too. Limiting them to two terms like a president would probably be an enormous help. Political office should not be a job for life because it means that a do-nothing senator continues to do nothing for 20 or 30 years in office. Enough. We should at least start regulating the politicians by putting them on a report card system that forces them to adhere to a strict set of rules that eliminates the kind of lawlessness we see now. Flunk and you can't run again.

  • Posted By: randy57 @ 09/30/2008 1:35:29 AM

    It is starting to look like the second coming of the great republican depression

  • Posted By: getzel @ 09/30/2008 1:12:13 AM

    A better plan to fix liquidity for less than $700 Billion : 1)Moratorium all mortgage payments on all residential real estate for 5 years or until the houses are sold. This is cheaper and guaranteed to jump start the economy. 2) raise the FDIC insurance to $1 million on bank accounts; this will get money out of treasuries and into bank deposits: liquidity. 3) Means test all new home loans on 29% and 33% debt ratios and minimum down payments from 10% to 33% depending on the home cost. 4) Home equity loans should be for home improvements only.
    5) Credit cards should be on net 30 basis only; if you can not afford it do not buy it. 6) special finance arrangements should be available for longer term purchases like cars, but not toasters and certainly not soap.

  • Posted By: Perusing-through @ 09/30/2008 1:02:52 AM

    IT IS JOHN McSAME and the HOUSE REPUBLICANS FAULT . . .

    [1.] - While the global market burns; House Republicans fiddle.
    [2.] - While Wall Street crashes and Asian markets follow; House Republicans play poker.
    [3.] - While Main Street lay tied down on tracks as train barrels down hill towards them; House Republicans play musical chairs.
    [4.] - While the nation disintegrates; John McRisky looks for camera to stand in front of so he can blame anybody just to get his poll numbers up.

    WILL SOMEBODY COME AND GET "JOHN McGAMBLER" OUT OF HERE.
    ROMNEY, HUCKABEE, PAWLENTY, WHERE ARE YOU, , , PLEASE!!

    GOD HELP US!!

  • Posted By: CTurk3 @ 09/29/2008 5:00:13 PM

    My grandfather always told me, ???If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn???t true!??? So when people like Barney Frank state: ???We want to make it so all people can buy a home.??? That???s something that is too good to be true.

    Bank loans based on ???stated income???, ???interest only loans???, or ???move in with no money down???. This is what we get for allowing politicians to pressure the banks to loan money to people who could never pay back the loans. Let???s not forget Janet Reno who threatened lawsuits against banks who wouldn???t loan money to deserving, whether they had the ability to pay or not, individuals.

    My wife and I purchased our first home in 1975 for $14,500, we had saved since 1972 for the down payment, and over the years bought and sold seven houses. We have never over extended ourselves, always had the money for the down payment and the ability to make our monthly payment. We now live in a gated community in a 4350 sq foot home with a pool.

    So, my comment to all of those individuals, banks, finance companies and Wall Street firms who caused this to come upon yourselves.

    TO HELL WITH YOU!!!

    • Posted By: kdo254 @ 09/30/2008 12:46:30 AM

      Unfortunately, quite a few of your neighbors in your "gated community" are those who can't pay back their loans... your house will again be worth $14,500 and the other pools on your block will be full of debris and mosquitos... assessed values will go down and property tax revenues will decline and your streets will be full of potholes and your trash pickup service will go bankrupt because they won't be able to get short-term operating capital business loans for truck maintenance so garbage will start to pile up. Your savings will go down the tubes when your mutual funds collapse and even your money market accounts will lose value... this will affect even those of us who did not make foolish decisions -- don't be so arrogant and simple minded. Make no mistake, these are complex problems that don't have easy solutions.

    • Posted By: dmd0404 @ 09/29/2008 5:30:27 PM

      My father always told me...."If you can't afford something then don't buy it" In my opinion, too many people wanted too many things and didn't have the means of paying for them. Financing their way to a better life instead of doing it the proper way..working and saving for a better life! I don't feel too sorry for the people that went out and bought houses, cars, boats that they couldn't afford. They knew exactly how much money they were earning and how much they had left over after paying the bills and setting some aside for retirement. I don't feel sorry for the people that lived well beyond their means...now they are paying the price! Why should we rely on the President or the government to fix the problems that the individuals created? The root cause is people not making the proper personal financial decisions.

    • Posted By: rgarrett @ 09/29/2008 5:27:27 PM

      Amen

  • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 09/29/2008 7:17:12 PM

    I hear a lot of people blaming wallstreet greed for the current financial problems but no one wants to take responsibilty for their own greed. If you took out a high intrest mortgage or bank loan that you can not pay you are just as responsible for this mess as wallstreet is. I know a lot of people who took out mortgages for their homes where the monthly payment they had to make to the bank was %50 or more of their monthly take home pay. Just because the bank approved you for the outrageous loan amount it is still up to you to be smart enough to figure out how much you can afford within your monthly budget. I have a friend who sales cars and he said he has people come in every day to buy expensive cars that they can obviously not afford and they are begging for 72 month and 96 month car loans because they can not afford the monthly payments for a 60 month or 48 month car loan. A lot of americans have been living on too much borrowed credit for too long and this is the result of it. Wake up and take a look at how you handle your personal finances. Yes the lenders and the goverment have plenty of blame in this as well but don't discount the average joes role in this mess as well.

    • Posted By: regulator @ 09/30/2008 12:44:28 AM

      Hi, bart, I could not agree more, there is lot speculation was happening and failed monetary policies of easy money with the blessing of congress they encourage spendthrift behaviour. The economic structure is such they encourage consumer to spend, spend and borrow and borrow. They always shows and interested in the consumer confidence means spend... China per Annam saving amount to 700 Billion a year and US personal saving close to the third world. We are consumer driven ecnomy and have become nation of excess in all aspect of life. If one save let say $ 1000 U pay taxes on the interest, there is no incentive to save. We all got the economic stimulus check, very few deposited or paid up their debts, Uncle Sam did not like it, government want us spend.

  • Posted By: norman01 @ 09/29/2008 11:48:08 PM

    why should we have to pay for outher people mistakes.so if a trucking company is going to close and could let 2000 workersof will the gov. give them money to keep going so no one would lose a job the ans is no.but because wallstreet is in new your city and will hurt the city then in stead of the tax payers give money to wall street let the mayor put some of his money in to wallstreet he runs the city .dont hear of this in chicago il or san francisco cal.no bail out lit the people that have to much to spend invest in wall street buying bad loands for property.say no to bail out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: regulator @ 09/29/2008 11:28:46 PM

    Adam Smith, the father of the Modern Economics ,it is flawed ,in his work : Wealth of the Nation he championed the division of labour ( productivity), pursuit of self-interest( greed), freedom of trade and no regulations and free market do what it pleases self to make a quick buck! He never have any inclination and any desire to safeguard the labour nor the the wealth of the citizens, he thought the " invisible hand" will solve any financial stress or difficulties. He put his trust in the moral sentiments of the rich !. He left out the populace .
    In nut shell he believed in trickled down economics. In reality the wealth of the nation is the collective sum of assets of the masses and never of the rich few. What we are experiencing is a grim reminder of that failed theory; asking now poor masses to bail out the Wall street and other financial institutions.; thereby mortgaging their future and their hope.
    The civilization collapses, has collapsed on debts and excesses, here we are witnessing a grim reminder_ how close we have come into this path of oblivion...!
    AJ

  • Posted By: Alabama Redneck @ 09/29/2008 6:03:21 PM

    Dont blame George Bush!!!! We were doing fine until the Democratic Party gained control of Congress.Their Liberal views have destroyed America! Perhaps we could use a depression just to keep us humble!
    THANK GOD IT FAILED, FOR NOW!

    • Posted By: raddave @ 09/29/2008 6:17:43 PM

      Bush and his cronies have destroyed America, not the Dems and their "liberal views"

      • Posted By: Vypurr @ 09/29/2008 9:51:39 PM

        I didn't know America had been destroyed. And please, stop with the Dems being spotless, they're not, f**cking dumbass.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/29/2008 6:49:18 PM

      Whats that? "Its not George Bush's fault", but "Thank God George Bush's plan failed"? Please make up your mind.

      • Posted By: clikdawg @ 09/29/2008 9:29:19 PM

        Iconoblaster -- Redneck's stance is sort of a kissin'-cousin to the Democrats': "Bush policies got us into this mess, so let's all vote for another Bush policy!"

        Pathetic. Truly, really, awfully, stupendously pathetic ...

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/29/2008 9:31:44 PM

    Obama is getting a bump out of this because people are not being reminded of history where the economy is concerned, and who did what when. Call it bias by omission. The media simply says that the economy is Obama???s strong issue, but never discusses the facts in detail. If the simplistic ???party in power??? model were true, then the Democrats would not have needed the House Republicans when they tried to pass the bailout bill, as Democrats have the majority in both houses and there is no threat of a veto. Obviously, it is not so simple and the media does the voter a disservice by doing little more than reinforcing the error. As an aside, the media also misleads regarding the Clinton economy when they fail to mention that it ended in a recession, requiring the first round of Bush stimulus checks.

    The first link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next Clinton. Barney Frank is on the list as well.

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    Do Obama and the Democrats deserve a lift in the polls as a result of the financial and mortgage problems? The answer from history is a clear NO. Here's the lead of a New York Times story on September 30, 1999 Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending [link below]. That's 1999 folks.

    Here's the lead of a New York Times story on Sept. 11, 2003: The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. [see link below]

    McCain said in co-sponsoring the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190: If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.

    What was Barney Frank and fellow Democrats saying at the time of these attempted reforms? According to reports, Representative Barney Frank(D-MA) claimed of the thrifts "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." Representative Mel Watt (D-NC) added of the reforms "I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing." [ See Community Reinvestment Act, link below w/ history]

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/29/2008 9:31:30 PM

    For an interesting article purporting to detail Barney Franks long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

    The last link below describes how some in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN. See:

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

    http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2QwNDhkZTg2OGYzZjkzM2E2NDEwM2U5OGVkNTc0YzU=

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  • Posted By: 7dollars @ 09/29/2008 8:50:24 PM

    those who voted for bush are losing their jobs and their retirement in droves...

    republican solution...." elect john mc cain "

    ha,ha,ha.

  • Posted By: Panamalive @ 09/29/2008 6:09:24 PM

    Yep. The South sure DID lose the Civil War. Badly. And the only intelligent thing about Alabama is that it continues to "smart" today about that loss.

    • Posted By: 7dollars @ 09/29/2008 8:40:24 PM

      the south will vote republican again...as they always do.

      even though it's against their self interest.

      they'll be praising mc cain from the pulpit.

      oh well, that's those republicans for you, folks!

  • Posted By: doggon @ 09/29/2008 7:44:50 PM

    this wall street bailout was in the making for a couple of years and alot of people have lost evryting they had,we cant even buy food in order to pay for high gas,elctric,propain.and heating oil never mine higher taxses.If we are to be humble then lets all be humble.this president and his backers have made planty, let them lose some of that money they have made on us.if this bailout is pass it will only for the rich and guess who will be paying for it.

  • Posted By: hitobito @ 09/29/2008 7:29:32 PM

    If this financial crisis is not resolved soon, the US economy will grind to a halt. The stock market crash of 2008 will make the 1929 market crash look like a small bump in the road. Banks have tightened credit and underwriting scrutiny has increased dramatically. Small business loans are very difficult or impossible to get. The economy can lose millions of jobs as the credit crunch tightens, more banks fail, the stock market crashes and 401Ks and IRAs disappear forever. Today, is a small downturn compared to what will happen in the coming days while the US Congressional Republicans fiddle! Remember this financial disaster is the result of 7 plus years of failed Bush/Republican policies and lack of oversight!

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