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  • Posted By: realisticvoter @ 09/30/2008 9:43:31 AM

    In the Dallas/Fort Worth area, whole neighborhoods have sprung up on the back of bad paper loans. It is not uncommon to drive through these neighborhoods of $250K-$500K homes and witness cars on blocks and a goat roasting on the spit in the front yard--taking the definition of the American dream to a different level? These are the individuals who took loans and fully knew they could not make mortgage payments on these homes.

    My grandfather (not an FDR fan, to put it very lightly) was and my uncles are Kansas farmers. I have an uncle who still has the first nickle he ever made. These people have worked for everything they have earned and paid back any loans taken EARLY.

    It is outrageous to compare the two. Both types of people living in this country, knowing that one will have to continue to carry the other. How is this allowed to happen? It is sickening to see our so called lawmakers wad up the Constitution and try to use it as toilet paper.

    If we wanted socialism, we would live in Europe.

  • Posted By: pgbzr1 @ 09/30/2008 9:38:46 AM

    For many years we Americans (those that drank the Kool aid) lived a lifestyle of "buy now pay later". This ideology was incubated and implemented by bankers and the ultimate goal is to make us forever slaves to the lenders. This concept was actually a disease, it breeds on irresponsibility, compulsiveness and lack of vision for the future. Those who were not disciplined and lacked the basic finance and budget skills set themselves up for failure. ADD the housing boom of the late 90's, the Clinton administration implementing a program that "every American should own a home", not establishing proper oversight and review if "every American CAN afford a home" which allowed every sleazy greedy broker and saw this as an opportunity to make money by giving mortgages aka "liar loans" with no documentation and/or false documents to people who had NO business applying and acquiring such a large financial responsibilities. Now add all those bad liar loans and bad sub prime loans that were repackaged and rewrapped and were masqueraded as good investments by the elite bankers (those who this 700 Billion bailout is for) and those started to default. Now add the war in Irag, Afghanistan rising oil prices and what is the end result??? The making of a perfect storm for the mess that we are in today.....

  • Posted By: thblake @ 09/30/2008 9:37:35 AM

    This has been along time comming, We as a country used to be able to raise our children with one stay at home parent. The government and banking industries have allowed us to live on plastic which has caused inflation/ As if we can borrow verses paying cash we will spend money that we do not have, so they can charge more. The government still gets sales tax for the transaction that should have never happened. And the banks get transaction fee's from the vender. While we stay broke. I decided to get out of debt years ago I buy, 4 year old cars that run very well, live in a nice but modest house. and pay cash for what I buy, when the wallet is empty I don't spend. Living this way has helped me build up savings. Maybe the big banks and government need to be broke for a while, the government is concerned that if we consumers just start spending what we have, they will not get as many tax dollars, maybe they need to cut back to.

  • Posted By: newhome4u @ 09/30/2008 9:25:24 AM

    For jeanzb: Who's the lender for the buyers?

    • Posted By: jeanzb @ 09/30/2008 9:30:56 AM

      Just our local community bank. They're privately-owned, so perhaps that's a good thing????

  • Posted By: Lee NC @ 09/30/2008 9:07:06 AM

    Someone will now have to address the seriously failed and SHADY system of credit scoring by Equifax and the other Massive Data Repositiories. What a bunch of crap that system is !

    • Posted By: Seharden2 @ 09/30/2008 9:25:14 AM

      Good point! My credit was severly bruised by a divorce. But even when it was in the 700's I often found inquiries and such, that i did not make. Even after my divorce, my ex received a credit card in both our names. Luckily I was alerted and was able to stop him before he ruined my credit even worse.

  • Posted By: jeanzb @ 09/30/2008 9:24:09 AM

    We are currently under agreement to sell our home. Our buyers have been approved for their mortgage by their bank, and we are all set to close on October 20th. Should we be worried that the deal could fall apart?

  • Posted By: jeanzb @ 09/30/2008 9:22:23 AM

    We have our house under agreement and our buyers have been approved for their mortgage from their bank and our closing is set for Oct. 20th. Do you think we should be worried that the closing won't take place?

  • Posted By: HalfBloodPrincess @ 09/30/2008 9:22:05 AM

    Most of the problem is in fact people who took out low interest rate adjustable mortagages thinking they could sell that house in the heat of the real estate boom and recover nicely. However, when it was time for the rate to adjust they still had the house on the market because ever body else also had houses on the market. Then there were the people that just wanted to have a home and even though they wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage once the rate adjusted banks {like WaMu} and mortgage companies {like Countrywide} would still offer them a mortgage knowing they weren't financially sound. That was greed and taking advantage of people that just didn't understand the terms of the mortgage they were getting into. For those people who live in states like Florida, where because of the hurricanes in 2004 and the real estate market boom, matters even got worse because now the insurance companies got an excuse to raise rates for home insurance basically declaring Florida uninsurable with rates skyrocketing and to cement every homeowners coffin the state raised property taxes from $1500 to $6000 in some cases. Where did they think all of this was going to take us? And Florida is not alone. The way we 'secure' loans needs to actually mean we 'secure' a loan. And property taxes need to be capped/stabilized. Has anyone in Florida see any changes for the better due to this increase in property taxes? Lets see: violent crime is rampant, schools have had so many cuts its like a work of origami, roads are as bad as before, etc. Where is all that money going to? Or, whose pocket is getting filled with that money?

  • Posted By: newhome4u @ 09/30/2008 9:20:07 AM

    As a Realtor in the RIchmond, VA area, I can say honestly that if you're thinking about buying a home, NOW'S THE TIME TO DO IT! ! Home prices have come down, rates are low, and financing's available. Even if your credit score is not in the 700's, but is in the 600's, FHA loans are the best option. Not only does the FHA have more flexibiltity with credit, it allows the borrower a smaller down payment - 2.25% now; 3.5% as of 1/1/09. In addition, the debt to income ratio is higher than conventional financing. And sellers can still provide closing cost assistance - up to 6% of the sales price. And that down payment? Can be a gift! In addtition, sellers are very anxious and, for the most part, cooperating on offers. Don't wait! Buy Now! Besides...where would you rather save your money? In a bank that may not be around in another 6 months? Under your mattress? Better to put it into a home purchase; the one investment that over time will realize appreciation for you!

  • Posted By: Mr.Gomez @ 09/29/2008 7:06:38 PM

    Standards are back? Bout fippin time. Never should have relaxed the standards in the first place.
    Probably wouldn't be in this dang debacle. This article is preaching to the choir. Those with excellent
    credit usually do shop around for the best loan, term and rates. Consumers that are smart, financially
    sound and credit worthy will still be able to borrow when needed. I have no doubt about that!
    It's the poor 550 FICO borrower that will have to realize that you're a risk, always have been, always will be.
    So you might want to start being a little nicer to Grandma. And even she may want you to put up some
    collateral!

    • Posted By: C.S. @ 09/29/2008 10:45:24 PM

      Sure hope you never have to pay for a cancer operation even with insurance. Maybe always will be but was not a always have been. Try getting a credit score after a health related problem. Good Luck. Not everyone is a deadbeat.

      • Posted By: aarrgh @ 09/30/2008 3:37:38 AM

        Boy Mr. Gomez judgemental aren't we? It is really not funny to laugh at other people's misfortunes. I am glad that YOU are perfect. I agree standards are needed, but not all people with bad credit are irresponsible. How about a VERY frugal stay-at-home mom, cleaning houses and buses for extra money (while carrying twins pregnant AND with them strapped to my body after they were born!) while the husband who developed mental illness is spending like there is no tomorrow, stealing your jewelry, and covering up his lies, refusing to work. Then have him be an ex-husband who trashes your credit, -lies, takes out credit cards in your name, hides them, doesn't pay them or the bills. They can also do a lot of damage in the time between filing for divorce and it actually going through. That junk stays with you for years and you are looked down upon even though you personally had nothing to do with it! It even disqualifies you from getting a good job because you are "an irresponsible loser". And no, I don't believe that I "always have been and always will be a credit risk" I personally have never been a credit risk and never will be. And I am always nice to everybody, but I don't expect them to give me money in return for being nice.

        • Posted By: Seharden2 @ 09/30/2008 9:15:14 AM

          Good job aarrgh! Yes Mr. Gomez, I am one of the unfortunates that have a low FICO. However, after being on my job 25 years, and divorced for 7, that 7years dropped my once wonderful score over 200 points. So yes I am unworthy of credit, but not by my own hand! Be careful! You can't always throw everyone in the same bucket. On the bright side, me not being able to get credit AT ALL, has given me the opportunity to take care of the debt my ex-husband left me with, AND build my credit score back up.

      • Posted By: aarrgh @ 09/30/2008 3:22:11 AM

        Or have an ex-spouse who trashed your formerly perfect credit- took credit out in your name, hid things and lied. You can divorce them, but THEIR reckless behavior reflects on you for the next 10 years. They can do a ton of damage in the time between filing for divorce and the divorce being finalized!

  • Posted By: jeweledone @ 09/30/2008 9:09:15 AM

    No need to shout danvass. Did you understand that this $700 billion was not be be paid out at once? Did you know that the original payout wat to only be $250 billion? And the next $100 billion had to be certified as necessary by the president and could still be vetoed by congress? Who was to say that Bush would be in office when that next level was needed? Who is to say that it would have been needed?

  • Posted By: Clark1x @ 09/30/2008 9:07:13 AM

    I have worked in the financial services industy for 10 years now and I still have loans I can do with no documentation of income. If you have a 720+ credit you qualify. What this tells me is some of the banks still have not learned from there mistakes. These people often have too high debt to income ratio to qualify for a regular loan. The guys that are really getting hurt are the ones with a 600-680 score there credit is too good to have to go with a secondary lender but not good enough to get a loan with a prime lender. What i can tell people is that your local credit union is probably your best bet for a good loan and they do not have the trouble the big banks do. They typically will offer very low rates but a little shorter term. If you do not belong to a credit union there is one in your area you can join.

  • Posted By: Lee NC @ 09/30/2008 9:05:28 AM

    In light of this, Someone will now have to address the issues with Equifax and the other Credit Score Repositories. That system is alao failed and extremely SHADY.............

  • Posted By: danvass @ 09/30/2008 9:01:55 AM

    I AM GLAD BUT NOT SURPRISED THE $700 BAIL OUT FAILED. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE IT TO HELP THOSE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES AND THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT TO. $700 BILLION. BAH HUMBUG. HERE IS A BETTER WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY. TAKE $500 MILLION AND GIVE A $450,000 VOUCHER TO PURCHASE A HOME, $100,000.00 TO START A BUSINESS IF UNEMPLOYED. $40,000.00 TO BUY A DOMESTIC CAR, TO AID DETROIT. AND $10,000 VOUCHER TO BUY CLOTHES OR FURNITURE. TOTAL TO EACH TAXPAYER/HEAD OF HOUSEHOULD WOULD BE $600,000.00. THE BALANCE OF THE MONEY WOULD GO TOWARD ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM. IF YOU ACCEPT THIS MONEY YOU CANNOT QUIT YOUR JOB EXCEPT FOR MANDATORY RETIREMENT. THIS WOULD TURN AROUND THE ECONOMY AND SAVE $650 BILLION $.

  • Posted By: danvass @ 09/30/2008 9:00:25 AM

    I AM GLAD THE $700 BAILOUT FAILED. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE IT TO HELP THOSE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES AND THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT TO. $700 BILLION. BAH HUMBUG. HERE IS A BETTER WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY. TAKE $500 MILLION AND GIVE A $450,000 VOUCHER TO PURCHASE A HOME, $100,000.00 TO START A BUSINESS IF UNEMPLOYED. $40,000.00 TO BUY A DOMESTIC CAR, TO AID DETROIT. AND $10,000 VOUCHER TO BUY CLOTHES OR FURNITURE. TOTAL TO EACH TAXPAYER/HEAD OF HOUSEHOULD WOULD BE $600,000.00. THE BALANCE OF THE MONEY WOULD GO TOWARD ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM. IF YOU ACCEPT THIS MONEY YOU CANNOT QUIT YOUR JOB EXCEPT FOR MANDATORY RETIREMENT. THIS WOULD TURN AROUND THE ECONOMY AND SAVE $650 BILLION $.

  • Posted By: homeschooler @ 09/30/2008 8:50:27 AM

    Tina12345 and Jeweldone, I have never heard of stories like yours before and I am sorry that people like you who seem to be responsible and didn't take out loans you couldn't afford are now getting hurt. I just don't understand how that is possible to begin with.
    I get that if people got interest only loans or adjustable rate loans on top of buying a house that was too big that they would end up in foreclosure and rightly so but to buy responsibly and then have to go under because of property taxes, that just seems insane and makes me never want to buy a house.
    Thanks for posting another point of view. I am all about not bailing out people who were irresponsible but it seems that even those who were are getting hurt.

  • Posted By: Tina12345 @ 09/30/2008 8:33:35 AM

    Jeweledone, I understand completely. The same thing happened to us. We have a fixed 4.25% mortgage, gained on excellent credit. However, after the first year, all the homes were assessed in Indiana and our property taxes shot through the ROOF. We have a small 3 bedroom ranch built in 2003, nothing spectacular, just decent. When our house got reassessed, we got a letter saying we had a shortage in escrow and we needed to pay 5,000 right away OR spread it out in mortgage for 12 months. That made our payments increase monthy by 400.00 monthly! The next tax time, it happend again---we had an increased by about 300/month. That's a 700 dollar increase. Our payments went from 800/month to now 1500 a month and we're strapped and on our way to foreclosure because of property taxes.

    • Posted By: jeweledone @ 09/30/2008 8:47:37 AM

      Tina12345. This is what I now belive is really happening. Where is the help for us? There is no plan to help the people that did do the right thing. All we can do is what we are doing. I work 2 jobs and go to College now trying to make ends meet. My husband is now looking for a part time job as well even though his full time job is about 60 hours a week. When do we get to have a Life, let alone a marriage? What more should we do? We even have a good credit score but that is no help as we already have a better intrest rate than we could possilby get now. Were to the responsible people turn?

  • Posted By: catherineb @ 09/30/2008 8:23:28 AM

    It's so sad that we as a nation have even gotten to this point. I just cannot grasp the idea of spending money that's not really there. I do not want to see people go under but, maybe if we stick to what we truely can afford things will get better. Some people have gotten used to living a certain way and maybe that needs to be adjusted. This is where things get tricky because individuals are for the most part greedy! Being asked to do
    anything that's the least bit uncomfortable seems to set people into an uproar. Unfortunately we may need to melt down to reassess our lives, the way we spend, and why we place so much value on things that can so easily be taken away. I hope that people can set aside their sense of entitlement and are allowed to feel a
    sense of humility. Wall Street, Main Street and all.

  • Posted By: jeweledone @ 09/30/2008 8:11:15 AM

    I have a fixed rate mortgage. However, my mortgage and escrow payments have jumped $700 in the last 3 years that I have been in my house. I could afford the original price that I was paying. I was even able to handle the 2 raises in property tax and slight increases in my home owners insurance. Until now. My home owners insurance jumped from $1200 to $5208 in six months. I dont live in a flood plane. I dont live on the coast. But I do live in Florida where the home owers insurerers are few and far between. I can now under stand how people are loosing their home. I used to say that they made bad disicions in going for some of these balloon mortages. Now I know better. How many of these people are in the same situation that I am in?

  • Posted By: kellygr @ 09/30/2008 7:46:59 AM

    I sympathize with some of the issues and obstacles families in America face today, but we've all got to take responsibility for our choices and actions. While I understand that you can't pay your bills or mortgage when you unexpectedly lose your job, you can make better decisions about loans and debts you take on unnecessarily. No one should be financing anything other than a home - and you should continue renting if you can't afford the mortgage. My fiance and I spent 25 months paying off $52k of debt, and another 5 months saving up a $12k emergency fund. We do not have incredibly high paying jobs, but we did sell a car and cut back on frivolous spending to make a better life for ourselves. People need to learn to sacrifice the "wants" now to actually have a secure life later. We should have all learned a long time ago that the government is not going to be able to provide a secure financial future for every one of us, so you've got to make changes to ensure your own financial security. "The rich rule over the poor, and the borrower is slave of the lender". Proverbs 22:7 (NRSV)

    • Posted By: garybull @ 09/30/2008 7:59:53 AM

      You sound like a fellow Dave Ramsey listener. Amen brother. Everyone should at least try spending less than they make... To be perfectly honest I'm just standing back and laughing at all the hysteria going on.

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