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  • Posted By: mfenwick @ 09/30/2008 8:26:04 AM

    Welfare for the rich, that's all this bailout is, plain and simple. Nobody pays my debts or yours, so why should all of us pay for the stupid mistakes of a bunch of greedy investors? No, I say to hell with all of them; they goofed, now let them pay for their own mistakes. It was the government that helped create this mess along with the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve needs to be abolished and we should go back to the gold standard, or better yet, silver. Perhaps when Americans are starving they will demand the Democrats and Republicans give up power, but I doubt it. Americans love their government no matter how corrupt and inefficient it becomes.

    • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 09/30/2008 9:02:14 AM

      Do you have an IRA? Do you have a 401k? Do you have mutual funds? If you have any of those savings or investments you just lost a lot of money yesterday and unless congress acts quickly you will lose a lot more. If you have no retirement savings and you live paycheck to paycheck you still have a lot to lose when inflation goes sky high and you have to pay $7 for a gallon of milk and $5 for a loaf of bread. This is not about giving money to the rich, it's about saving our economy.

      • Posted By: mfenwick @ 09/30/2008 10:32:54 PM

        Just where did the money go? It didn't just vanish into thin air. It went into somebody's pocket. Whose pocket? That's what I want to know. You know damn well it was those bastards in Washington that created this mess. Is your congressman and senator hurting for money? I didn't think so. Where do they get their money? From you, that's who. Do you think they want to help you? You're a fool if you do. They are going to save their investments before they will save yours. I hope to god you aren't stupid enough to vote for these ass***** in November. They need to be strung up and then dragged through the streets.

      • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/30/2008 9:35:42 AM

        just wait until people start taking their money out of the banks -- then we really will be in a depression.

  • Posted By: Davole @ 09/30/2008 9:04:31 PM

    Continued - A Proposal to Resolve the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Financial Fiasco

    The first step toward economic recovery would be to isolate all sub prime mortgages from the assets of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac, and to group the remaining viable ones into several stock options to be offered for sale to the public, and also as a bailout measure.

    That would result in an immediate infusion of cash into the banking sector, thereby ensuring that credit could be granted to qualifying loan applicants.

    Individuals or organizations who choose to buy those stock options should benefit additionally from any profits later realized by their investments.

    Also, any profits resulting from the bailout option should be refunded to the INCOME TAX PAYERS only, since they would be the ones who would have financed the bailout.

    Likewise, but separately, the various questionable sub prime mortgages should be bundled together into other stock options which would be structured to contain a mixture of both somewhat and less redeemable loans.

    Those sub prime mortgage packages should be offered first to democrats, especially wealthy ones, who might be attracted to them by their being valued at a price of 80 cents on the dollar, based on the face value of the mortgages.
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    That would afford them the option to support what democrats viewed to be a noble cause (home ownership for the unemployed), and besides, it might enable the stock option buyers to profit by 20 percent if all of the sub prime mortgages would be somehow repaid by the homeowners.

    Thus democrats, especially the likes of George Soros, Barack Obama, Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Charlie Schumer (who supported the granting of sub prime mortgages irrespective of demonstrated ability to repay) would be able to ???put their money where their mouths are???!

    Lastly, there should be a guarantee that no further sub prime mortgages be granted.
    Home ownership is a GOAL for many financially responsible Americans - it is not a government sponsored RIGHT for all persons living legally and illegally in the US!

  • Posted By: pumapurr @ 09/30/2008 8:41:53 PM

    Repubs "killed it"? Even though 95 (NINETY-FIVE) say again 95 Dems voted against it and they only needed 12 of those 95 to pass it- yet it's all the Repubs fault. Where's the Audacious Unifier? Under his bed as usual? Where's Pelosi's leadership? Betrayed by their own party. They didn't need any help. But wow, Snoozeweek! Why, you fooled everyone by glossing over that game changer like a random factoid. But, nobody knows. Shhh... The coast is clear! They done it ya see? Put it around town. Shhh...who's to know? Them Repubs is rascally. Our own folks are... well... never you mind! We has met the enemy and they.. is us. But so what? America will believe what they read in Snoozeweek! Rebubs killed the bailout because we said so!

  • Posted By: topcat2001 @ 09/30/2008 5:31:22 PM

    McCain and the Republicans have no credibility with the American people. This guy cant even get a single Republican representative from Arizona to vote for his measure. What kind of leader is this guy?

    • Posted By: Jaray24 @ 09/30/2008 6:38:15 PM

      40% of the Dems voted Nay for the bill. The Dems have been in control of the house and senete for the last 2 years. Pelosi just cries all the time, and it was the Clinton Admin, that allowed this to happen.

  • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/30/2008 6:29:21 PM

    Of course it doomed McCain, he made it clear he would suspend his campaign until the economic crisis was over, and that should take a few years at least, he just has to be held to his word.
    the question is now that he has suspended his campaign will the Republicans come up with a subsitute or will Palin just move from VP to the Presidential spot, with the first "dude" as VP?

  • Posted By: LadyLiberty @ 09/29/2008 9:50:04 PM

    Let the rich people, oil companies, and wallstreet pay for their own mess. After all they have been farming Americans for years. Not just in the work force, but on loans and credit cards. The masses have paid; over and over and over. If the cash cows don't want a colapse, they should anty up some dough.

    Maybe we should have a "Save America Telethon or "Walk to Save America."

    • Posted By: Teri72 @ 09/30/2008 6:40:36 AM

      I'm disgusted with the House. Either side could have made this pass but POLITICS ruled the day. Osama Bin Laden is probably dancing for joy. He tried to bring down Wall Street with airplanes but all he had to do is watch us do it to ourselves. Shame on the House!

      My husband and I saved for years in a deferred compensation plan. We did not over-buy our home. We don't drive a new car. We are now retired and draw from the deferred comp to suppliment our retirements. We lost almost $5,000 yesterday and have lost $10,000 in the last quarter. We expect the worst is not over. We are hardly "rich". It is just ignorant to think the problem is not EVERYONE'S problem.

      • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/30/2008 5:19:46 PM

        Unless you were stupid enough to sell, then you haven't lost anything. As a matter of fact, those of us that are continuing to invest are shopping a BIG sale and getting great deals. The world is not going to end without this bailout plan. By the way...the market closed up over 485 points today, the market is still at nearly 11,000 which was unheard of just a few years ago. If you consider how much you've made in recent years in this high rolling market, compared to what you've "lost" recently, I'll bet that on average, you're return is still pretty darn good.

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/30/2008 4:52:30 PM

    Obama is getting a bump out of this because people are not being reminded of the whole history where the economy is concerned, and who did what when. Call it bias by omission. The media simply says that the economy is Obamas strong issue, but never discusses the facts in detail. Further, who had a majority when is rarely relevant. If the simplistic Party In Power model were true, then the Democrats would not have needed the House Republicans when they tried to pass the bailout bill, as Democrats have the majority in both houses and there is no threat of a veto. In theory, they do not need the Republicans to vote at all. In fact, something like twelve (12) Democrats from Barney Franks own banking committee voted against the bill. Obviously, it is not so simple and the media does the voter a disservice by doing little more than reinforcing the error. A similar argument would be to point out that the economy appeared to be doing fine until the Democrats took over Congress and the power of the purse, then it tanked. As an aside, the media also misleads regarding the Clinton economy when they fail to mention that it also ended in a recession, requiring the first round of Bush stimulus checks immediately after he took office..

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/30/2008 4:52:11 PM


    Do Obama and the Democrats deserve a lift in the polls as a result of the financial and mortgage problems? The answer from history is a clear NO. Here's the lead of a New York Times story on September 30, 1999: Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending [link below]. That's 1999 folks. Clinton Administration, I believe.

    Here's the lead of a New York Times story on Sept. 11, 2003: The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago. [see link below]

    McCain said in co-sponsoring the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190: If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole.

    What was Barney Frank and fellow Democrats saying at the time of these attempted reforms? According to reports, Representative Barney Frank(D-MA) claimed of the thrifts "These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis, the more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." Representative Mel Watt (D-NC) added of the reforms "I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing." [ See Community Reinvestment Act, link below w/ history]

    The link below contains a purported list of the top 25 in Congress who got contributions from the folks at Fannie and Freddie. Obama is listed third, after Dodd and Kerry, even though Obama is just a junior Senator. Obama is followed next by Clinton. Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi are on the list as well.

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

  • Posted By: Nowforthetruth @ 09/30/2008 4:51:21 PM


    For an interesting article purporting to detail Barney Franks long history with Fannie Mae, See http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx
    Also google: Democratic House Financial Services Committee Chair promoted GSEs while former 'spouse' was Fannie Mae executive.

    The last link below describes how some in Congress tried to use the original version of the bailout bill to divert money eventually recovered to groups like ACORN. See:

    http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=16&artnum=1&issue=20080918

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

    http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=M2QwNDhkZTg2OGYzZjkzM2E2NDEwM2U5OGVkNTc0YzU=

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260

    http://www.businessandmedia.org/printer/2008/20080924145932.aspx

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122247015469280723.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

  • Posted By: sawsharee @ 09/30/2008 12:27:20 PM

    At least McCain got the Republiicans to the table while Obama just gave "more speeches" as usual. When Nancy Pelosi opened her mouth I knew there was no way the "bail out" would pass. Can the Speaker of the House be impeached?

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 09/30/2008 4:49:50 PM

      So you are saying that the Republicans don't have a mind of their own and vote based on what Nancy says?

  • Posted By: Whigman @ 09/30/2008 4:48:51 PM

    This is a crisis of confidence. Not in the markets...did you see what the Dow did today? Nobody believes Bush. Gee, wonder why Nobody believes Congress. Gee, wonder why. And most of all, nobody believes the press. As Stuart Taylor said earlier this week, when there is fundamental lack of confidence in the purveyors of information, a society is in deep doo doo.

  • Posted By: thatchmo @ 09/30/2008 3:05:44 PM

    Blame the Republicans again. Yeah, right. This is all about the worst Congress in the history of the country trying to fix a problem it created to begin with. You can try to spin it all you want, but alternate reality BArnie Frank, Chris Dodd and Nancy Pelosi think we're too stupid to see what their trying to pull. Dragging the Republicans down the toilet with them with their pathetic bailout bill. Just like when my ex-wife created a financial disaster for our family behind my back and blamed me for it because I didn't stop her from doing it.

    • Posted By: baybluv @ 09/30/2008 4:39:40 PM

      Well the truth hurts. The Republicans were ruling the house the last six years of this mess.

  • Posted By: Loon Lover @ 09/30/2008 4:24:04 PM

    Your description of the House Republicans intentions and actions is so far from reality you'd think it came straight from the Obama campaign headquarters... or maybe it did? The media's cover-up of Democrats' culpability in this mess -- specifically their resistance to Republican efforts in 2004 to reform Freddie Mac & Mae -- cannot be hidden forever! Thank you, House Republicans for your wisdom and resolve to smell a rat.

  • Posted By: wendydk @ 09/30/2008 4:11:27 PM

    RedWolfmen, time to face the facts.

    • Posted By: RedWolfmen @ 09/30/2008 4:20:43 PM

      Face what facts wendydyk? That unbalanced reporting is as rampant as congressional spending? I get it. Perhaps you should wake up and think instead of blindly reading one point of view.

  • Posted By: RedWolfmen @ 09/30/2008 4:00:01 PM

    What happened to unbaised balanced reporting? Let's all admit that this is the battle of the Dumb and Dumber. The Democrats tried to play party politics on the final hour after knowing that they had enough votes. The Rublicans showed her that they could play chicken as well. Like lemmings they crashed and over the cliff they threw themselves and our economy. This is all pathetic but what adds insult to this injury is that the media fails to provide balanced reporting of the news and instead adds their idiotic political spin. Frankly it is GROSS...Daniel Gross.

  • Posted By: cholton @ 09/30/2008 3:54:48 PM

    Solution: For those of us that do pay our mortgages and manage our money, I would like to see these companies OFFER me a 10% discount to pay off my mortgage in full. Thus, an influx of cash to these companies to partially help against the loss.

  • Posted By: cholton @ 09/30/2008 3:54:46 PM

    Solution: For those of us that do pay our mortgages and manage our money, I would like to see these companies OFFER me a 10% discount to pay off my mortgage in full. Thus, an influx of cash to these companies to partially help against the loss.

  • Posted By: jedwards08534 @ 09/30/2008 3:04:16 PM

    We're seeing the death throes of the Republican Party.

    They complain about Pelosi... have they themselves never uttered partisan remarks on the house floor? They had an obligation to deliver their votes... they placed partisanship and their "feelings" well ahead of the interests of the nation. And America knows it.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:46:43 PM

      It sure was funny to watch McBush take credit for passing the bill through his heroic campaign move.
      (Instert train-wreck audio here.)

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/30/2008 3:34:34 PM

      They did not have an obligation to "deliver" this vote. They had an obligation to represent their constituents who were screaming a resounding NO. Thankfully, someone is for once listening and looking out for the American taxpayer. By the way...with the market up over 400 points today and no bailout in sight, maybe the world isn't going to come to an end. I have a feeling that the price for saving us all just went on sale.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/30/2008 11:52:40 AM

    This is true. The Speaker of the House holds plenary powers that would allow her to ram through this bill. A Gingrich would have [did actually try in the 1998 shutdown,which would cost him his job],done it in a trice. Heres the problem.

    1. Pelosi is being dishonest. She never leaned on key Democrats who would have comprised ''The 12''easily.
    ''I didnt feel pressured at all'' said Georgias Hank Johnson,and several top Obama Democrats who are serving his campaign including Emmanuel of Illinois and Jesse Jackson Jr. who is Obama Co-Chair,were not leaned on either. She gave them all a pass.

    2. She does not want to end up like Gingrich,thus,she loudly carps at the Republicans,while her party is the one in power,and totally ignores ''The 95''.[all Democrats who voted against the bailout of which she needs,as we see,only 12 for passage].

    3. The general consensus even among liberal news outlets from CNN to MSNBC is that her tirade yesterday was ''foolish'',''stupid'',''counterproductive''.[Anderson Coopers 360 and Chris Matthews HARDBALL and Dave Gregorys Race To The White House].

    4. Barney Frank is FINALLY getting his,with an excellent piece in this mornings Boston Globe chastising ''the gall''of this man who fought so hard against F & F reform and regulation and now cries foul against the GOP.

    5. The Democrats need to quit screwing around with this bailout bill. I accurately predicted on Friday that with the revelation of SECTION 5,crafted by Dodd and picked up on by Frank[the so-called ACORN Bill],that the GOP would send this thing crashing down. GOP Rep. Price of Georgia and Culberson of Texas have already stated clearly that a bill could be crafted with more Pelosi compromise.

    6. How many Jewish members in the House? Not enough by a long shot,to allow the rest of the gentiles to pack up and go on vacation while not remaining behind to work on this compromise. A point stressed by CNNs David Gergen last night.

    7.Lastly,Democrats look to the GOP to give them cover,rather than muscling their majority to get ''The 12''. Pelosi is a disgrace,and no matter what else occurs,even with Democrat retention of the House in 08,she needs to go.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/30/2008 12:35:10 PM

      You are whining that those awful Democrats won't take the political hit to remedy a problem that blossomed under the last eight years of (mostly) Republican government. I'm not even a Democrat, and I think blind partisanship like this is an embarassment.

      • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 09/30/2008 3:44:41 PM

        Thats not ''whining''.Those are your Democrats pals doing that. Rather,it is to point out what a moronic Speaker of the House,gutless as well,[as we saw with her refusal to strongarm her own holdouts that Tip O'Neill a Democrat,would have already done],America is burdened with. You people made this scene. It is a pity,really,that when Pelosi was born a fool she was also saddled with a fools face.[do not get me started on the cartoonish Frank].

    • Posted By: mikesz @ 09/30/2008 12:16:11 PM

      Your sandbox. Let me provide you with some grown-up thinking. It is very easy to say it was 8 years of the Bush administration when you do not know the facts. This is a Democratic cause. It was Rep. Barney Frank who said there was nothing wrong with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It was the Democrats who resisted Repulican mortgage industry regulation. I can provide you with some Democratic representatives who sung the praises of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Franklin Raines. How did Franklin Raines get entitled to get millions when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was such in bad shape.

    • Posted By: does not work @ 09/30/2008 12:16:03 PM

      This was an initiative that the current republican administration sent to the house and you are saying that the democrats are supposed to pass it without any help from the republican in the house? I don???t think that is the way it works if the current administration wants this passed in the house then the republican leadership should get the votes to pass it. I hope the democrats draft a bill that they want without input from the current administration or the republican members and then the democrats can all vote to fix the republican???s mess. That will be great reading as we go into the elections.

  • Posted By: james55402 @ 09/30/2008 2:14:01 PM

    So, the call for bi-partisan support by Bush and Paulson was just hot air?? Pelosi did not kill this bill, the House republicans did by failing to provide the bi-partisan support required for passage. Both Obama and McCain called for bi-partisan support as well. Why is it up to the Democrats to unilaterally pass this legislation?

    • Posted By: Gigantus @ 09/30/2008 3:20:29 PM

      Because they are the MAJORITY PARTY.

      • Posted By: raddave @ 09/30/2008 3:26:29 PM

        And a MAJORITY of Democrats supported it.

        • Posted By: Gigantus @ 09/30/2008 3:37:30 PM

          wow...what leadership. Sorry, just proof that the dems are cowards. Their vote wasn't on principle, it was from cowardice. Period.

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