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  • Posted By: Woodrowski @ 09/30/2008 1:50:18 PM

    Mr. Gross, you have it all wrong and have exposed you true socialist side. In a capitalist system business fail. This bail out is pure socialism. Which is probably why you are for it. If the bail out was so great why didn't all the Dems vote for it. Then they could really blame the Repubs. But that was not the case The Dems also saw that this was bad. You say "tax cuts that led to the addition of trillions of dollars in public debt" Tax cuts don't add debd

    • Posted By: raddave @ 09/30/2008 3:36:25 PM

      Tax cuts don't add debt? I bet if you took a cut in pay and did not adjust your expenses, your debt would certainly increase

  • Posted By: msbassbabe @ 09/29/2008 8:19:15 PM

    Isn't news supposed to be unbiased? This piece wouldn't have made it past my desk If I were editor.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:32:00 PM

      Thank you,Gruppenfurher.

  • Posted By: 7dollars @ 09/29/2008 8:24:14 PM

    first thing when demos get the power is to launch investigations into the bush regime...

    war, scandal, bribery, lies...

    ooooh...the judiciary will be busy for years.

    besides that... obama will appoint a couple supreme court justices.

    it's like a wet dream.

    ha,ha,ha.

    • Posted By: Vypurr @ 09/29/2008 9:42:44 PM

      7dollars, every time I read one of your stupid posts, I realize that somewhere a village is missing an idiot.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:30:33 PM

        Crawford will get him back in a couple of months. My question is will Cheny go to Dubai?

  • Posted By: quasqueton @ 09/29/2008 8:30:19 PM

    7dollars: "wet dream"? you are still are a teenager, aren't you. Obama's base support.

    • Posted By: honeybbuzz @ 09/30/2008 9:23:41 AM

      Let me guess, quasqueton, you're old, aren't you? Seems like the old folks are stuck in some other century. No disrespect (some of the people I love most in the world are over 70), but it's easy to see that the world has changed since 1930 and this is a whole new situation that - just perhaps - needs a new world view to properly understand

      • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:29:43 PM

        Not all of us decrepit ancient (longer ear hair than head hair) people are drinking the kool aid.

  • Posted By: HD Woman @ 09/30/2008 2:05:04 PM

    Nancy Pelosi killed the bailout bill, she has enough Democrats in the House to pass that bill without a single Republican. It is an informed electorate that makes America great, so please stop trying to spread this disinformation.

    • Posted By: raddave @ 09/30/2008 3:28:58 PM

      It is rediculous how you try to blame the Dems for the failure of the bill, when 60% of them voted for it, while 67% of the repugnats voted against it.

  • Posted By: Donna Yannotta @ 09/29/2008 8:59:31 PM

    Why is John McCain campaigning? He said he wouldn't until the economic crisis was resolved.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:27:51 PM

      Well, He is a Republican. Each day is a new chance to lie, cheat, steal, mismanage and malign.
      I can hardly believe that any but the least informed or most partisan can still look at him as I did in 2000, when Anybody But Bush made him look acceptable.

  • Posted By: Tony2001 @ 09/30/2008 3:26:31 PM

    My question is with this bail out plan who is going to PAY!!! It seems as if the financial institutions are going to be rescued and the damn CEO's will get to keep their golden parachutes. All those ill gotten wealth must be returned, all those profits earned from illegal and questionable deals must be returned. Lastly the 700 billion or 1 trillion package must not go to pay for fees to any of these institutions to fix what they had broken and stolen. There can be no deferred golden parachutes and obscene pay packages. The ridiculous pay packages that results in CEO's making over 100 million dollars when their counterparts in places like China don't even make 1/1000ths of that. Obscene pay packages and bonuses is what brought down wall street and if they are not going to fix that then let it crash and burn. I would rather suffer the pain that contribute to the freaking theiving and fleecing that's going on. People have gotten too freaking greedy and selfish and this is the market telling them enough is enough, let them fry in hell as far as I am concerned. NO FREAKING BAILOUT!!!!

  • Posted By: calebnum13 @ 09/29/2008 10:07:36 PM

    When are you going to do an article that explores the racism implicit in the 90%+ black support for Obama?

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:24:56 PM

      When those people who you think are racist do something racist.
      Bigot.

    • Posted By: honeybbuzz @ 09/30/2008 9:11:24 AM

      huh?????

  • Posted By: thebob.bob @ 09/30/2008 1:31:34 AM

    McCain, the grandstanding media hog, blaming Obama for the collapse is total cr^p. The voters know it, the media knows it, everyone knows it but him. His behavior gets more and more bizarre as he falls furthr and further behind in the polls. Watch for some real weird stuff as they try to distract with 'game changing' stunts.

    It won't work.
    01/20/09. The End of an Error!

    • Posted By: quasqueton @ 09/30/2008 4:16:11 AM

      Please verify your statements. I would enjoy hearing them. Thank you.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:21:34 PM

        Goto a public library. Get the "Readers Guide to Periodical Literature."
        Select dozens of recent articles on about anything, like most do or know how...
        Try the Google. (Hasn't helped the Shrub much.)
        Avoid appeals that would get you the solid D in a speech class for entering freshmen.

      • Posted By: ojo.calderon @ 09/30/2008 5:00:56 AM

        Here's his next game-changing stunt: get the media to refocus their attention on Palin, whom the McCain campaign is trying desperately to reinvent. Get this, after the veep debate, they are lining up interviews that will emphasize her personal characteristics (the "hockey mom" in her) rather than her global unawareness. Ya, just what we need in a veep.

        • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:18:57 PM

          Distraction, disarray, and distance... the GOP game plan for the last month of the meltdown.
          People vote out of gut issues and Obama, whom I openly support does not appeal to the gut. He is a cerebral candidate running against Mr.Guts and Caribou Barbie. They will put her on stage crying about how mean we all are and drop a halo over her for all to see. Packaging is their masterpiece.
          It's the scum in the box that we are stuck with for years on end that have stunk up the house.
          Bush/Cheney term 3?

    • Posted By: ojo.calderon @ 09/30/2008 4:56:09 AM

      The next game-changing stunt: the McCain campaign is hoping to reinvent Palin by scheduling interviews that emphasize her personal characteristics rather than her global unawareness. Ya, like that's just what we need in our next veep.

  • Posted By: J24kman42 @ 09/30/2008 1:45:01 AM

    John McCain. Let us be clear. We all thank you for your brave military service. We all honor your maverick stances in the past, but, it is become achingly obvious that you will say anything and do anything to get to be president. Your honor is a shambles. You slander your own name. The memory of who and what you were is lost in the river of deceit and lies which bear your stamp of approval. Shame on you, sir. You are not fit to lead us.

    • Posted By: quasqueton @ 09/30/2008 4:13:29 AM

      Please verify your statements, if you have any verification.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:15:08 PM

        You R bloggers need refrences and you quote hannity and rove.
        I got one for you, Read something, anywhere.

      • Posted By: honeybbuzz @ 09/30/2008 8:41:10 AM

        I feel the same way as J24kman42 - and the evidence is everwhere, if you'll only open your eyes and see the truth.

  • Posted By: Idaho_Ryder @ 09/30/2008 6:54:48 AM

    You readily blame the republicans, but Democrats have been running congress the last 2 years. Of the 7 longest serving members of the Senate 6 are Democrats. All the financial standing committees in the Senate are chaired by the Democrats and finally 95 Democrats also voted NO to the bailout plan. So blaming the Republicans alone is a little short sighted.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:13:01 PM

      Isn't Idaho where LAPD guys with race charges retire?

    • Posted By: joe_mama @ 09/30/2008 7:50:28 AM

      Right.

      Almost as stupid as thinking this crisis began in the 2 years the Dem's have controlled congress.

      JM

  • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 09/30/2008 8:55:28 AM

    I hear a lot of people blaming wallstreet greed for the current financial problems but no one wants to take responsibilty for their own greed. If you took out a high intrest mortgage or bank loan that you can not pay you are just as responsible for this mess as wallstreet is. I know a lot of people who took out mortgages for their homes where the monthly payment they had to make to the bank was %50 or more of their monthly take home pay. Just because the bank approved you for the outrageous loan amount it is still up to you to be smart enough to figure out how much you can afford within your monthly budget. I have a friend who sales cars and he said he has people come in every day to buy expensive cars that they can obviously not afford and they are begging for 72 month and 96 month car loans because they can not afford the monthly payments for a 60 month or 48 month car loan. A lot of americans have been living on too much borrowed credit for too long and this is the result of it. Wake up and take a look at how you handle your personal finances. Yes the lenders and the goverment have plenty of blame in this as well but don't discount the average joes role in this mess as well.

    • Posted By: flipkate @ 09/30/2008 10:17:28 AM

      I absolutely agree. One of the biggest problems in America is the sense of entitlement that everyone seems to have. Every person is not entitled to own a home or other expensive items they cannot afford. You have to earn the right to own a home, with good credit and good financial sense. It's up to individuals to know what they can afford and it's not the government's responsibility to bail them out when they get in over their head.

      • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 09/30/2008 10:36:50 AM

        Yes everyone wants to be a millionaire but no one wants to work for it. People want to buy new cars every few years and live in huge houses like they see on TV so they take out huge loans and then find they can't pay the loans back so they file for bankruptcy and end up in foreclosure which is what is happening right now. The American people have been irresponsible and now they are going to pay the consequences one way or another.

        • Posted By: does not work @ 09/30/2008 1:47:35 PM

          The mortgage company the provided the home loan bought the house and then gave to a person whom they new could not afford it. Without the help of the mortgage company/broker they would never have been able to buy the house. So, who is at fault here the mortgage company/broker or the buyer?

          • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/30/2008 3:11:58 PM

            Are you serious? Do you actually know how this process works? Mortgage companies didn't buy these houses and then force people to take them. The bottom line in all of this is that people at many different levels were greedy. Individuals wanted more than they could afford, real estate & mortgage brokers wanted commissions they they otherwise wouldn't have earned, hedge fund managers wanted to make a quick buck and then pass on the bundled sack of crap, while Fannie & Freddie were standing by getting paid BIG $$ for fanning the stench away from the pile so that no one noticed that something smelled about the whole deal. Bottom line...There is plenty of blame to go around but individuals have to shoulder their part as well. Without the entitlement mentality & the "if you want it, charge it" lifestyle, there would be no sub-prime mess.

        • Posted By: hillj225 @ 09/30/2008 10:51:41 AM

          Sorry but your analysis won't wash. Only 8.8% of homes are past due or in forclosure and projections for bankruptcy for 2008 is just a little over 1 million. It will be less that in years 1998-2005. Law was passed in 2005 to make it more expensive and time consuming to file for bankruptcy. So your premise is that these small numbers are what is driving our nation over the cliff financially? Hardly not!

          • Posted By: bartsimpson2008 @ 09/30/2008 11:28:31 AM

            Sunday, April 27, 2008

            ...Recently released figures have revealed that the number of foreclosures in California, United States has more than quadrupled. The figures for the first quarter of 2008 show a significant increase on previous figures.

            There were 47,171 foreclosures on California properties in the first quarter of 2008. The figure for the same period last year was just over 10,000.

            This is part of the problem but not all of it.

  • Posted By: pearsoncrz @ 09/30/2008 9:33:02 AM

    The republicans didn't kill the recovery bill, the democrats did. They stand to benefit from a financial crisis.

    The truth is that in 2005, for the first time in history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill, S. 190, was passed by the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate their investments in risky assets. If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different. But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0



    In support of S 190, also known as the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, John McCain said: "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay."

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16

    Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 would have Amended the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 to establish: (1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.
    Most importantly with regard to the CDS situation, S. 190 set forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting. Adoption of these regulatory provisions would have undoubtably affected the way CDSs were dealt with in "private" enterprises.
    The bill would have also amended the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation., and transfered the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation. If this had been in place three years ago, this whole situation might have been averted.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-19

    • Posted By: RO in Reno @ 09/30/2008 10:00:06 AM

      No one benefits from this or any financial crisis, and by the way the repeated posting of a cut and paste blurb is considered spamming.

      • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:10:53 PM

        Spamming, just like a Caribou Barbie answer. "It's all about job creation..."

  • Posted By: truthseeker77 @ 09/30/2008 12:41:43 PM

    It is not mentioned that 133 Republicians voted against the bill as well as 95 Democats. It would be better if the Democratic party spent their time and energy unifying the party rather than pointing across the aisle. The bill would have passed if the Democrats could get together on it. There must be some parts of the bill that raises concerns from both parties, otherwise it would have passed.
    voanews.com/english/2008-09-29-voa43.cfm?rss=topstories gives more detail on the numbers

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 3:05:52 PM

      Isn't VOA still Voice of America, or the state propaganda organ? Someone quoting Pravda?

  • Posted By: max in fl @ 09/30/2008 3:02:25 PM

    The problem is not whether the dems or repubs both killed the bill. The problem is that McCain wanted to champion a bill that was not in line with HIS beliefs, just to show that he is NOT as interested in winning this election as Obama. We know he is VERY interested, this is his 3rd time at bat. Maybe he will try again when he is 76 years old but more than likely he will come to grips by then with the fact that he is too old to continue seeking presidency.. McCain wanted to 'save the country' during an election but did not help the situation at all, Noone in Washington wanted him there but he impressed a blogger on newsweek. Does maverick mean noone likes him? How do you run a platform under 'you may not like me but you will love Palin'? That is what McCain calls putting the country first. Gives you a clue on how much will be done if he does get to the Oval Office.

  • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/30/2008 2:19:17 PM

    This article is a blatant example of bias in the mainstream media favoring Democrats. Mr. Gross has obviously chosen to set aside his journalistic responsibilities in favor of political propaganda.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 09/30/2008 2:55:56 PM

      I just want to know if that is all the GOP has left.
      It's the media's fault McCain splattered his campaign beginning with lying to Letterman?
      It's the Media's fault that Caribou Barbie keeps getting hit by her own words?
      Paranoia worked well for a long time.

  • Posted By: Whigman @ 09/30/2008 2:48:03 PM

    Let's see, 40% of Democrats voted against this bill and they are a profile in courage? Spare me. The public doesn't want it and all the ravings and rantings of liberal columnists can't scare them into it.

  • Posted By: TheVigil @ 09/30/2008 12:23:00 PM

    I agree with those who said democracy has worked here, and I don't begrudge the Republicans their vote in the slightest.

    I'm giving the House Republicans credit for standing up and representing their constituencies, and not panicking and passing this bill on the say-so of a lot of financial institution folks with seriously obstructed views of what's going on. I'm a bit surprised at the willingness of the Dems to go along with a Bush-appointed Treasury Secretary bailout.

    The stock market's probably going to tank. It needs to tank. It's been overvalued. And I'm beginning to be among those who think it's necessary for these banks to fail, to some extent - otherwise we're just hemorrhaging funds into these institutions who aren't likely to change their policies. The culture of selfishness and plunder in Wall Street is WAY too deep-seated to have been uprooted by just these failures, massive in scope as they are.

    I honestly apologize to those whose stock portfolios are threatened by this situation, but honestly, if you have enough in the bank right now to *have* a stock portfolio, you're doing better than many. Go to cash, or to gold, and research which banks have avoided buying all this bad paper. It's a terrible situation, but terrible situations happen. What we need to do is get back on track. I don't think the right answer is essentially forcing the entire country to pick up the tab for a bunch of ravenous bankers who knowingly made bad loans in order to get rich and their foolish clients who agreed to loans that people with twice their capital couldn't have sustained. These men and women are going down; they need to. We don't need to hamstring taxpayers with a $5,000 tax burden apiece for this problem. It would cripple a lot of people who really and legitimately have just been working hard and doing right.

    • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 09/30/2008 2:39:04 PM

      Well said. Politicians are elected to be the voice of the people. Usually, they are too busy talking to hear what we are saying. In this case, I think they heard it loud and clear.

    • Posted By: Iconoblaster @ 09/30/2008 12:31:38 PM

      TheVigil, once again, makes way too much sense.

  • Posted By: prairiemod @ 09/30/2008 2:17:37 PM

    We are definitely living in some uncertain times. As bleak as things look, I like to think that there are small rays of hope that filter through the gloom. Check out this recent article about what I see as a potential silver lining to this housing crises storm cloud:

    http://www.prairiemod.com/features/2008/09/think-lessons-f.html

  • Posted By: anchovy @ 09/30/2008 2:10:25 PM

    Why do you not blame Pelosi for not getting all her people to pass the bill? Oh wait. I forgot. They are Democrats. They get a pass from Obamaweek

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