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  • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 10/02/2008 11:53:57 AM

    eeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrr yeah not quit nice try factcheck but you might wanna know what the hell your talking about. Any economist worth a damn knows that the the gramm-leach-bliley act is front and center for the crisis. ask yourself this. why would bad mortage assets end up at in AIG, an insurance company, hmmmmmm. maybe because the act allowed fin institutes to systemicaly pass bad assets through our entire economy.

    • Posted By: Stimpygato @ 10/02/2008 12:23:52 PM

      eeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr um, yeah jnakhoul, nice try yourself, but an Econo-master you are not!

      Do YOU even know what the Gramm-Leach-Bliley is? From your comment, it is 100% obvious that you are no economist either. It seems that everyone is just "spinning" their brains out trying to make this bipartisan problem some kind of October Surprise for one party or the other.

      Educate yourself people, don't just allow yourself to be told how to feel!

      http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/privacyinitiatives/glbact.html

      http://banking.senate.gov/conf/

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act

      • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 10/02/2008 2:36:59 PM

        actually i am an economist and I've been studying this act for 5 years now, nice try though.

        • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 10/02/2008 4:18:33 PM

          There's no way in hell you're an economist. Otherwise, you'd know that Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act did exactly what this article suggests. It actually has helped to diffuse the affect of the current housing crisis within the financial sector. It allowed banks to diversify, basically not having all their eggs in one basket so that even with their real estate portfolios being hit hard, they are able to limit exposure through their diversification. Much like a well balanced 401K. Yes, they are going face losses, but much less than if say you owned only one stock and the company went under.

          I don't always agree with FACTCHECK but with this one, they are spot on with the exception of not including CRA - Community Reinvestment Act.

          • Posted By: 4astrongamerica @ 10/02/2008 4:40:58 PM

            Not to mention the affect it had on Bear Stearns and Merrill Lynch. If we had added two more large corporate failures or two more corporate bailouts to this mix, the current crisis could be much worse. Deregulation has it's place if it's used wisely. The problem is when it's not used wisely or when there's no regulation at all. There is a happy medium.

      • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 10/02/2008 2:49:10 PM

        And neither do you know what tha *** you are talking about my friend..... The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the Firewall that had existed between commercial and Investment Banking Activities:

        Were the Walls Necessary? - The New Rules of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
        The limitations of the GSA on the banking sector sparked a debate over how much restriction is healthy for the industry. Many argued that allowing banks to diversify in moderation offers the banking industry the potential to reduce risk, so the restrictions of the GSA could have actually had an adverse effect, making the banking industry riskier rather than safer. Furthermore, big banks of the post-Enron market are likely to be more transparent, lessening the possibility of assuming too much risk or masking unsound investment decisions. As such, reputation has come to mean everything in today's market, and that could be enough to motivate banks to regulate themselves.

        Consequently, to the delight of many in the banking industry (not everyone, however, was happy), in November of 1999 Congress repealed the GSA with the establishment of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which eliminated the GSA restrictions against affiliations between commercial and investment banks. Furthermore, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act allows banking institutions to provide a broader range of services, including underwriting and other dealing activities.

        So Gramm-Leach-Bliley claimed to look out for consumers when in fact it boned consumers up the *** with Grease. AsHole!!!

      • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 10/02/2008 2:42:38 PM


        Posted By: Stimpygato @ 10/02/2008 12:23:52 PM

        Comment: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr um, yeah jnakhoul, nice try yourself, but an Econo-master you are
        you, the Graham - Leach Bliley Acct tore down the firewall between Commercial and Investment Banks.... Check out this link and read it in it's entirety:


        Posted By: Stimpygato @ 10/02/2008 12:23:52 PM

        Comment: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr um, yeah jnakhoul, nice try yourself, but an Econo-master you are not!

        Do YOU even know what the Gramm-Leach-Bliley is? From your comment, it is 100% obvious that you are no economist either. It seems that everyone is just "spinning" their brains out trying to make this bipartisan problem some kind of October Surprise for one party or the other.

        Educate yourself people, don't just allow yourself to be told how to feel!

        http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/privacyinitiatives/glbact.html

        http://banking.senate.gov/conf/

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act






        and apparently neither are you





        not!

        Do YOU even know what the Gramm-Leach-Bliley is? From your comment, it is 100% obvious that you are no economist either. It seems that everyone is just "spinning" their brains out trying to make this bipartisan problem some kind of October Surprise for one party or the other.

        Educate yourself people, don't just allow yourself to be told how to feel!

        http://www.ftc.gov/privacy/privacyinitiatives/glbact.html

        http://banking.senate.gov/conf/

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act

  • Posted By: Spacer @ 10/02/2008 4:14:50 PM

    The "fact" checkers state; "What Gramm-Leach-Bliley did was to allow commercial banks to get into investment banking. "

    This co-mingling of investment and commercial banking is PRECISELY what many people view as one of the underlying factors that resulted in the current econmic crisis. Yet this article claims that it's "bunk" to blame the act for anything. The act by itself may not have been responsible, but it was one of the importtant factors. There were many other factors, but the most lmportant of all has been the Republican belief that dergulation is always good and regulation is always bad, plus Bush'shabit of appointing corporate foxes to guard the public's hen houses.

    Factcheck should stick to checking facts and not making economic "analyses" (also known as "opinions.") The MoveOn ad may have stretched the truth about this act, but It sometimes seems that FactCheck itself really stretches the truth in order to always spread blame equally. Well, in the real world, sometimes the blame is NOT shared equally, and this is one of those times.

  • Posted By: C. MacLean @ 10/02/2008 4:03:12 PM

    Sounds like there's more than enough blame to go around. Finger-pointing has become the number one American past-time, surpassing baseball, football, eating and spending. Or should I say, borrowing.

    If we accept that everyone had a hand in this mess, that allows us to start moving to solution, instead of staying in the problem.

    Rather than waste so much time and energy on pointing fingers, let's put the energy into figuring out what is broken, and how to fix it.

    Worrying about who did or didn't do something or say something, at this point, is a luxury we can no longer afford.

  • Posted By: damitajo1 @ 10/02/2008 10:11:30 AM

    This blog beat them to it! http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2008/09/bringing-back-welfare-as-we-knew-it-my.html

    The Dems have been making the bogus claim about Gramm Steagell for the last few weeks. It's about time it's being rebutted. Why didn't McCain do it? And the Wash Post ran a story making the same claims -- without any support at all from economists. Pathetic.

    • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 10/02/2008 2:56:19 PM

      You wanna bet it was the repeal of Glass-Steagal? Read fool Read:

      http://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/071603.asp

  • Posted By: azellner @ 10/02/2008 11:00:42 AM

    After reading this article, I have learned a great deal more about this mess. Thanks! It is very complicated, and to me it seems, most American do not understand nor like complicated things. They seem to be content with just snipents of information. Actually plain stupid, if you ask me. It is ironic now that both Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank are trying to make good what they helped create.. Both of them benefited financially from the mess they helped create. Obama is a whimp, after the fact, he opens his mouth. But you know what? This is typical of him, either not saying anything, or saying something safe, as to not hurt himself politically, and when it comes to voting, most of the time, votes present. Mccain actually has taking the leadership role here, helas he does not seem to get credit for this, again, because the whole situation is too complicated. Let's just hope that comes election time, we all will vote for the right person, not for the one who want to tax us to death and always play the war fare and blame game!
    Ansje T

    • Posted By: aunkmaa @ 10/02/2008 2:54:37 PM

      Stop showing your stupidity... MCsame only attempted to profit and it blew up in his face. The truth is RIGHTWING DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS CAUSED THIS MESS. It was a partisan thing instead of BIPARTISAN, after all the only difference between Rightwing Republicans and Democrats is Party Lable. Stop being an OLD FOOL!.

  • Posted By: mofo @ 10/02/2008 2:38:16 PM

    Hello fact check. Go back to the CRA in 1977 (Jimmy Carter-D), and the 1995 reform (William Clinton-D). This is what started the lending to low-income families, and was pushed into subprime mortgages without regulations. Go forward to September 11, 2003, (George H. W. Bush-R) proposed an oversight bodey to monitor Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's combined $1.5 Trillion in outstanding debt. What happend next was staggering.

    "Significant details must still be worked out before Congress can approve a bill. Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

    ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

    Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

    ''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

  • Posted By: C.S. @ 10/02/2008 10:26:22 AM

    This mess started in the 60s with welfare and the Dems will never learn. Bring back our work ethic and morals and the Country and the economy will straighten out.

    • Posted By: jnakhoul @ 10/02/2008 2:38:10 PM

      thank you for proving republicans are impervious to fact

  • Posted By: sarahs121 @ 10/02/2008 2:29:06 PM

    What strikes me the most in this article is the mention of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank being against tighter regulation for Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Weren't they the ones making such partisan statements against the Republicans and Bush about the current economic crisis. I don't understand how people can be so deceptive and irresponsible. They take no responsiblity for how their decisions helped cause this debacle. Their constituents should run them out of office!!!

  • Posted By: Hillary Dem @ 10/02/2008 2:05:08 PM

    Plenty of blame to go around-let's just fix it!

  • Posted By: Krohn @ 10/02/2008 1:57:41 PM

    Even This Article is biases. Because John McCain warned of this problem as early as 3 years ago.

  • Posted By: special k @ 10/02/2008 1:57:09 PM

    HOPEFULLY YOU RECEIVED THE LAST BLOG

  • Posted By: special k @ 10/02/2008 1:55:52 PM

    Like I have always said. This all started with the Clinton administration. Clinton blew up this balloon and kept blowing into it until it finally popped with his failure to keep his pants on and for the Enron scandal. There was never any money out there it was all a bunch of hot air. For the democrats to keep blaming the Republicans is all a bunch of crap it is every human that stands back and denies that there is nothing going on until it is too late. People open your eyes and stop acting like you are just here on earth to breathe. Take a stand for what you believe in wether right or wrong believe in it and make it a voice.

  • Posted By: Zephyr75080 @ 10/02/2008 1:28:00 PM

    The author blames:
    -Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively. (I know when I bought MY home I made sure it was within my budget. I had to delay closings several times because mortgage brokers tried to gouge me on interest)
    - Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates. (There's some truth here. Trying to get one to estimate how high an ARM might go was like pulling teeth. I opted for FRM, and eventually got it)
    -Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses. (I ask you, who in their right mind would do that? I didn't use the deduction to buy a more expensive house. That would be like holding a bake sale to fix Wall Street's problems.)
    Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up. (I, for one, do not consider my primary residence an investment. Sure, I want it to at least hold its value, but we all have to live somewhere, and if it's paid off, I don't have a large monthly payment to worry about)

  • Posted By: fuscolnc @ 10/02/2008 1:09:46 PM

    Who is t5o blame? Who is in charge and responsible for regulating and insuring at least baseline requirements are met. Sounds to me like the guy minding the store is responsible.

  • Posted By: car333 @ 10/02/2008 12:20:48 PM

    Mr Miller and Mr Jackson, thanks for info. The more I read the better I understand this mess.

    If this mess has or should teach the young people....do not spend more than you make.

    The only blessing is.....Thank God...they (Congress REP/DEM & George Bush..did not privatize Soical Security...which is also going to need bailing out very soon...

    I had little ...I have loss a lot in my 401K....now I have less...I hope to be working until I die....

    Change is coming.....may we all be better off when it is over....

    God Bless America

  • Posted By: POCfisherwoman @ 10/02/2008 11:54:39 AM

    Enough blame to go around, no doubt. But how to FIX it? At least listen to Ron Paul, who has been right all along,but he gets a little air time while we listen to all the "experts" drone on and on.

  • Posted By: Zmonster88 @ 10/02/2008 11:49:49 AM

    It's interesting that Katie from Dallas thanks the author's for writing this article, and bemoans the "blame game." Of course she goes on to blame the Republicans anyway and then goes on to say that the Democrats were "looking out for the little guys in the 90's." Did she read the article? It's not all greed and failure to act on the part of government and Wall Street that is pinching the middle class, it's our own stupidity and irresponsible spending on the part of individual Americans that is the bigger danger.

  • Posted By: Lee Holmes @ 10/02/2008 11:48:05 AM

    This mornings Wall St. Journal just keeps on cranking out the Barney Frank hits. Like this one from 2004:

    ''I think we need to roll the dice''

    The ''dice''being more unregulated loans to high-risk borrowers.

    Then too,there is the conspicuous absence in the discussion of Sen.Dodds acceptance of ''sweetheart''loan deals from COUNTRYWIDE,while he was both minority ranking member and Chairman of the Senate Banking Commitee from 2005-2007. A federal grand jury in Los Angeles is looking into this as we write. It will be to NEWSWEAK to display their mettle as being anything but in-the-can for the Democrats,should the results of this investigation bring more heat upon Dodd.[as they have been officially out to a partisan lunch in their total blackout of coverage of the federal investigation and ethics hearing of House Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel].

  • Posted By: katie from dallas @ 10/02/2008 11:20:08 AM

    Thanks for pointing out the spin on both sides, the blame game is irresponsible and doesn't help resolve the crisis. I think people need to be spoon-fed their economics by nonpartisan efforts more often so they avoid recycling right or left talking points and GET THE FACTS. Republicans & Greenspan had the last 8 years to combat this bubble burst, yet they failed to bring bills to the table and neglected middle class in favor of wall street deregulation, the Dems were looking out for the little guys in the 90s and helping more people get affordable housing w/ lower rates. Because of the greed and failure to act, more and more Americans face debt and difficulty getting homes. It is an endless cycle that will see the middle class pinch become a crunch before its over. I fear for all Americans who make less than 100k a year. No more republican-backed greed in the white house, it never trickled down anyway.

  • Posted By: FlaLady @ 10/02/2008 10:23:02 AM

    www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace

    Please keep passing on this video. We need every one of the mainstream t.v. news media (ABC, NBC, CBS) as well as major newspapers to run a story on this! Obama's minions keep trying to shut it down but we MUST find a way to get it to as many people as possible!

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